I’m not “At That Point” yet… (But I Can See It From Here.)

I open links folks post. Partly ’cause they are interesting, partly to assure they are legit and not too OTT. Often I then open more links from them. Often, too, this has something interesting and I leave a tab open “for later”.

Then more often than not when I get back to it, I’ve lost the history of who pointed me at what… So if you posted this original link, take a bow.

https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2021/08/vaccine-hesitancy-that-gets-it-said.html

Basically a long list of the historic lies of the GEBs and GEB-Wanna-Bees & Hangers On… they asks why would you trust them now about the vaccine safety. Given how much decent science we-all have uncovered that shows the risks are a-plenty, the benefits few (though extant), I’m in sync with them. It’s the comments, now that I got back to it, that have me pondering.

These folks are well ready for a rumble, from what they posted. I’m not there yet, but I think I can see it from here.

Here’s a meme from one comment:

Moving Vaccine Goalposts

Moving Vaccine Goalposts

I think a fair number of us are a bit miffed about that already.

It’s down in the comments where things get, er, um, “a bit farther out”. Here’s a couple:

I’m with Old NFO. I think that the push back – even from some donkeys – may be more and more prolonged than they think.

That’s a pretty reasonable one. Folks are ready for “push back” and perhaps of some duration. Calling the Democrats “donkeys” is a bit cutesie… but it is their symbol.

Then:

I am reminded of Jimmy Hatlo’s cartoon of yearrrrs ago of a man’s head with an arrow pointing to it with (URGE TO KILL) in the balloon.

Followed by:

go ahead, make me an outlaw. i dare you. move that thin line that keeps me from using the 30 years of training you gave me. remove that barrier that keeps good men civil. because i guarantee you i can be a better outlaw than you’ve ever seen before…..i’m waiting….

So now it’s starting to get a bit worrisome. Trained guys talking smack. But still not any outright threats. So is this next one just more smack talking, a TLA undercover trying to gin up business, or an actual ready for action guy? Who knows:

with as many points of failure as our nations’ logistics chains have, either the Chinese-backed American .gov is insane, or the Chicom plan is to take the rest of the world while we try to recover from the collapse. N.B. If we collapse, the rest of the world goes directly to famine and collapse.
All commerce requires high-trust in society, laws, property, and money/currency/means of exchange of value.
When those fail, it may be generations before they can be re-established worldwide again.

But he doesn’t say HE has any plan to act. Just points at vague “points of failure” in the “logistics chains”. Something I’ve pondered too. One big rock from space falls in the Pacific Ocean, the tidal wave wipes out the ships at sea and the ports. The world economy collapses as does anything tech and any nation in Asia dependent on food imports (which is most or all of them).

It is the final comment (ATM) that caused me pause:

If TPTB really want me to find out how much damage to The System one man can do, I’m, your Huckleberry.

Not saying he is planning to do anything, but implying readiness. Yet as an adult male in the USA we are supposed to be ready to “break things and kill people” as the Unorganized Militia (as one US Marine explained their function to me…) when the nation in threatened. And we ARE threatened right now, both from external and from internal Marxist assault. It may be “5th Generation”, but it’s still real.

Sidebar:

When working in Schwab H.Q. in San Francisco (computer security / forensics stuff) my buddy and I would sometimes have a “walking lunch”. Just enjoying the Embarcadero and all. Being security guys (we once got to do “scenarios” for a supercomputer site to decide what really needed defense) we were commonly expected to “imagine what the bad guy could do” so as to devise defenses.

What we thought up for “terrorists” to do was truly frightening. Worse, for several of them there were no defenses possible. ONE satchel can take out the BART tube under the bay. A well crafted truck bomb can drop a bridge. (Placement and design matter so those not given here). Not to mention the potential for bio-weapons and dirty bombs and all. (Many of these have already been movie plots, so again, not giving away anything).

Back at the comments:

Perhaps that’s why that one comment got me focused. “Another one” who knows what one motivated clever person could do…

One hopes I’m reading more into it than is justified. I suspect that Soros (Master Of The Currency Short) wants the US Economy to collapse. I know China would love to have us broken. Doing domestic damage would just be aiding their plans. Yet we do have an illegitimate government and Biden (with his eviction moratorium) is defiant of the Supreme Court Ruling. So does one just “do nothing”?

I’m not happy with either of those options. Hopefully at some point audits and the courts will “get it together” and do the right thing. I’m not at the point of those folks in their comments; but I can see it from here.

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44 Responses to I’m not “At That Point” yet… (But I Can See It From Here.)

  1. KBYN says:

    Engage in strategic patience.

    Don’t go planning any mischief. Watch for signs of the coming backlash, and be ready to duck when that particular pot truly boils over. I doubt there’s much to be gained by being the first guy to lash out, or the second, or the twentieth.

    Once those first angry but unorganized guys strike, pay very close attention to the reactions of TPTB in their attempts to stuff the lid back on the pot. That’s when we’ll learn the critical lessons, after which we’ll know what to do next.

    Patience. Let the fools and tyrants make their mistakes. Pray for peace, and maybe the idiotic evil system will destroy itself so we won’t need to do anything but watch from a distance.

  2. John Hultquist says:

    I have been surprised that folks behind the riots (see Portland) have not directed their exploits at critical infrastructure. In the few cases where that was the direction – shutting down a pipeline, or firing a rifle at a unit or two in a substation – were troubling but minor. Making downtown Portland a hell-hole is not of much concern to non-Portlanders.

    Because the Biden Administration and the Democrats are doing a “respectable” job of destroying the Nation, perhaps the anti-Americans are happy with this so far. Why get more openly involved if they do not need to?

  3. Foyle says:

    I’ve always found it remarkable just how useless terrorists are at killing people and generally inconveniencing the west, when I (and a helluva lot of other STEM graduates I am sure) can think of ways to kill thousands and cost 10’s of billions with a year or two of planning and effort that many individuals could put together resources to finance themselves. Technology is only making this worse – basic machine learning + tech of types frequently showcased on youtube hobbyist videos now makes it possible to put together murderbots that can each kill 10’s of people (guns+cameras+aerial platforms) at relatively low cost, and allow perpetrator to get away. And there are so many easy high value targets.

    The simple explanation is that those so inclined are almost all stupid, but I expect this particular nightmare is going to become part of our world in next decade.

  4. Ossqss says:

    It is sad to even have to post something like this this post. Just sayin>>

    Amazingly, those who push for the rapid change desired, have no clue on how to manage it if it happens. That is a long term problem.

    Let’s learn everything again, is the underlying thought. Why? Why redo a calculation that has been verified?

    What do you think?

    “It’s worked so far, but we’re not out yet”

  5. H.R. says:

    From E.M.’s post: “…Jimmy Hatlo’s cartoon…”

    I loved that panel. The title of the cartoon panel was, “They’ll Do It Every Time”.

    The idea behind the particular (barbed) one panel or split panel cartoon was sent in by readers, and then Jimmy Hatlo would make it into a cartoon. The signoff was always, “Thanks, and a tip of the Hatlo to (contributor name).”

  6. Simon Derricutt says:

    I think it was Another Ian who pointed you at this one. However, I also read Peter Grant’s blog most days, since his experiences are so much different than mine. His commenters though tend to be pretty much on the military side, maybe not so strange since Peter was a military padre.

    People on this blog however tend to be the people who build, who put things together, rather than people who destroy stuff. Not that we don’t have a significant capability to cause havoc if it was required, but not wanting to do that except when it is the only logical option remaining. If we discuss how to cause havoc, it’s with the intention (normally) of figuring what some others might attempt so we can stop it happening.

    Strange thing is that in general the people who do do the bad things tend not to be the brightest lamps. At least the ones that we hear about…. Possibly there’s stuff happening that quietly succeeds and no-one finds out about it. Still, the people who place bombs to randomly kill whoever happens to be there (wrong place, wrong time) seem in general pretty thick.

    It’s very hard to change peoples’ beliefs. Even where it’s suppose to be science, and where they aren’t supposed to be beliefs but theory where (in theory) it takes only one good experiment to prove it wrong.

    I’d regard violence as a last resort. However, I don’t take it off the table as an option, just thinking that if I do need to use it it needs to be so frighteningly effective that others will never see it as an option worth trying. I’d also make it directed specifically against the people it needed to be, rather than some random people who happened to be in the wrong place. Personally, I can’t see that from here yet, but I can see the possibility of that happening.

  7. cdquarles says:

    Beliefs are decisions. People get emotionally committed to them, rightly or wrongly. History rhymes, and we have seen this movie before.

  8. The True Nolan says:

    @John Hultquist: “I have been surprised that folks behind the riots (see Portland) have not directed their exploits at critical infrastructure. ”
    and @Foyl: “I’ve always found it remarkable just how useless terrorists are at killing people and generally inconveniencing the west”

    EM often says that he is good at looking for “the negative space”, the things which are NOT said, or in this case, the things which do NOT occur. The simple conclusion? Major acts of terrorism which would be simple to perform do not occur for the simple reason that “the terrorists” are NOT “terrorists”. They are public relations employees simply performing their jobs of molding public opinion so that we may be steered in the direction desired. Most of you reading this will be familiar with Operation Gladio; if not check YouTube for the BBC documentary on the subject. It details how the US Three Letter Agencies created a terror and bombing campaign in Italy which was then blamed on the Communists. Ever wonder why SO MANY terrorist attacks are “stopped at the last minute because the FBI had an informant working inside the group”? How many people remember that the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center used a bomb that was built by an FBI informant, with instructions and supplies paid for by the FBI, under orders to build a REAL bomb in spite of his desire to make a fake bomb? And that he had recorded his phone conversations with his handlers discussing it?

    I realize that SOMEONE will say, “But Nolan! What about 9/11!” Just for the record, if anyone does say that, I am likely to ignore them until they have put a little more thought into the question.

    @EM: “I’m not at the point of those folks in their comments; but I can see it from here.”

    Back when I used to keep beehives there were several times when I had not properly smoked the hives and calmed the little buggers down. Normally, a smoked hive will have a hum to it, “hmmmmmmm…” but when they are not properly sedated the noise rises up to become a loud and deeper pitched “HMMMMMM!!”. Any beekeeper paying attention will know to close up the hive right then, to walk away and wait a bit before coming back to it. Failing that, if the beekeeper is foolish, it is only a few very short moments before the HMMMM!! turns to a cloud of bees busily engaged in defense of the colony and he becomes full of stingers.

    More and more people are starting to realize that their vaxxed parents, spouses and (worst of all) their children have been purposely placed in harms way. Psychopaths do not experience love, the idea is alien to them; I do not think they took it into account. I do not think there is any way that those numbers of sorrowing people is going to decrease, not even if The Powers That Be completely dropped the scamdemic push. I suspect it is already too late to stop the hum from becoming stingers — the only question is WHEN, how soon?

  9. E.M.Smith says:

    @TTN:

    I’m in the “Running Away!” stage. Abandoning my Home State as it has become too Bat Shit Crazy. I’m hoping that an escape to Florida will “be enough”.

    But what happens when you can not escape?… Yes, the question is when.

  10. Ed Forbes says:

    The US is self segregating Red vs Blue. If current policy differences continue, I see civil war more likely than random attacks. Sane people will not see the point of random attacks.

  11. John Robertson says:

    Yes We are moved.
    The election of Donald J Trump,exposed a whole bunch of power crazed twits, who have been working together for decades..
    This Dread Covid Theatre is them coming out into the limelight to take a bow.
    “Of course we are corrupt parasites,what you gonn’a do about it?”
    Evil is banal.
    The sad stupidity of those afraid of everything and everybody.
    Some people were born to be banished.
    We must oblige them,for we face civic collapse.
    Fools and bandits cannot be a protected class.
    The concept of “The long march through the institutions” has a blind spot.
    For once the creatures infest and corrupt the institute,the citizens just abandon it.
    Look at the old media,abandoned by the paying public,now propped up by government or corporate masters.

  12. philjourdan says:

    Most international terrorist are not the brightest bulbs in the box. But a determined person who has had enough can inflict massive amounts of damage. Drop the GGB into the entry way to the Bay? Just cut off a major thoroughfare and blocked shipping for the forseeable future. You do not have to take down the towers (that would be difficult), but just 2 well placed truck bombs on either end (between the towers) could drop the road bed. The channel is not that deep.

    There is a lot that can be done. Will we get to that point? I hope not. But this incessant lying about the virus is pushing people to the breaking point.

  13. The True Nolan says:

    @philjourdan: “But this incessant lying about the virus is pushing people to the breaking point.”

    I ran across this quote recently:
    “In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.” – Theodore Dalrymple

    Joost Meerloo in his book Rape of the Mind, says approximately the same thing about brainwashing techniques. Very few people (exception? REALLY good scientists) can cope with the feeling of uncertainty. People want to have settled opinions. The constantly changing lies create a receptive state of tension, one in which the listener longs for some point of intellectual or emotional stability. For many people, especially someone in a fearful or dangerous situation (ie a prison camp or during a supposed pandemic) the point of stability becomes The Authorities. Whatever The Authorities say, that simply must be true! Look at Fauci. He is constantly changing stories but many people STILL BELIVE HIM, still trust him, and become outraged if you question his reliability — in spite of the fact that he is DEMONSTRABLY not to be relied on.

    One of my personal aphorisms is “Every evil, great or small, starts with a lie. A lie is the tool which convinces good people to do bad things.”

    If there were some way to measure the mass of a lie, I think this current “pandemic” would be at least 90% lies. The remaining 10% would be a mixture of irrelevancies and out of context opinions.

  14. Scissor says:

    Here’s something you can do in effigy with no guilt.

    https://bernietargets.com/shop/dr-anthony-fauci-shooting-targets-5-pack/

  15. Annie says:

    @The True Nolan:
    Perhaps it is worth remembering that S@tan is described as ‘the father of lies’.

  16. E.M.Smith says:

    I think I am gaining clue.

    1) I am quite happy to have No Clue. BY DEFINITION I have no idea what the answer is until I’ve done the work. It is my major state. I’m completely comfortable with “I do not know” and “nobody knows”, as it is the majority case.

    2) I am FINE with unsettled opinions in the face of lack of good data. What pisses me off is BAD data or BAD conclusions from data or “Leaping to a conclusion:” when the bridge is not built.

    3) I’d rather not know the answer than believe a wrong one.

  17. another ian says:

    This mask?

    “Smile! You’re on Candid Claymore!!!!!” My new favourite mask.”

    https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2021/08/smile-youre-on-candid-claymore-my-new-favourite-mask.html

  18. Power Grab says:

    @ TTN re:
    ‘Major acts of terrorism which would be simple to perform do not occur for the simple reason that “the terrorists” are NOT “terrorists”. ‘

    That reminds me of the thought I keep having when I consider that violence at Portland: “They have to pay people to tear things up!”

    That idea came from reading repeatedly that Soros is paying people to riot and tear things up. I’ve seen what purport to be ads, maybe even in Craigslist, searching for people to do that for pay. Apparently, AOC got her start by responding to a literal casting call like that.

    Also, why aren’t those Portland Destroyers just shooting everyone they think is in their way? And why do the businesses that proclaim their affection(?) for BLM and Antifa end up getting hit just as hard as every other business in that given area? Those things don’t make sense to me.

    I understand the concept that TPTB can get away with trashing property or resources that they want to buy for pennies on the dollar. I believe I’ve seen that happen.

    I wonder if there is an underground (literally) resource or entity beneath those burned-out urban properties that want the top to look like a war zone because then most normies will stay away. Or is someone building an underground thoroughfare to allow the Chinese troops in Canada an easy way to cross the border to the US? We know there are tunnels between Mexico and the US.

  19. The True Nolan says:

    @Power Grab: “I understand the concept that TPTB can get away with trashing property or resources that they want to buy for pennies on the dollar.”

    Catherine Austin Fitts, who once worked as the Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, has for decades been a whistleblower about governmental and financial corruption. Her company has compiled maps of riot damage showing a clear correlation to Economic Opportunity Zones. EOZs offer special tax benefits for investors and developers, allowing high, tax free returns on businesses and property renovation. She believes that the riots were done to destroy homes and businesses in those areas so that politically well connected investors could buy up property for near zero and increase their profits. This link shows maps of Minneapolis EOZs and riot damage. Near the bottom of the page in the “Updates” section are links to maps in some other cities. I cannot find a reference just off hand, but I seem to remember that out of something like 37 areas which had been damaged, perhaps 35 of them were in EOZs. Also, (and again, forgive me for not remembering the details) many of the riot damaged areas seem for some reason to be loosely correlated to locations of Federal Reserve Banks.
    https://golocal.solari.com/draft-copy-mapping-minnesota-riot-damage-opportunity-zones-and-fed-banks-a-work-in-progress/

  20. The True Nolan says:

    @Power Grab: Ah! A bit more info from Fitts. Go to
    https://ratical.org/PandemicParallaxView/CAF-MrGlobal.html
    and then about half way down to a section titled: “Covid-19 Riots: A Real Estate Acquisition Plan”
    She says: “So for example, if you look at San Francisco, 49% of the businesses in San Francisco are expected to be out of business by the end of the year. Do you know how much real estate you’re going to be able to pick up cheap on this? It’s phenomenal.”
    I would only add that if there is in fact (God forbid) a large die off of population, that will drive property even cheaper.

    As for Fitts’ credibility, she certainly has credentials, no argument about that. I believe she has her data right as well. But is her analysis correct? That is the question.

  21. The True Nolan says:

    @EM: “I think I am gaining clue.”

    Gaining a clue? You underestimate yourself, Sir. I wish I had that much clue…

    That acceptance of uncertainty is needed, I think, to really enjoy the acquisition of new knowledge. If you have already latched onto SOME sort of answers, even when the data does not support them, you have to go through some pain to let loose of the old ideas before you can pick up the new. Better just to realize that knowledge is fluid and certainty is fleeting. Then you can enjoy digging up a new acorn!

    I am reminded of an old joke my Physics teacher told us:
    A young Physics student goes home one day and his mom asks him “How was class today?”
    The son answers, “IT WAS ASTOUNDING! It was wonderful! It was the best class I have ever had!”
    The mother then asks, “Well, that is nice! What did they teach you today that was so wonderful?”
    The son says, “Today I found out that EVERYTHING I BELIEVED WAS WRONG!”

  22. another ian says:

    @Simon Derricutt says:
    9 August 2021 at 1:07 pm

    IIRC I might have mentioned it – put there “for the record”. If it goes further well and good.

    A lot of my best work has been done from the background

  23. another ian says:

    An appropriate breakfast cereal token and you’re a teacher!

    “Oregon Governor Drops Reading, Writing and Math Proficiency Standards For High School Graduation, Office Says it will Help People of Color
    August 9, 2021 | Sundance | 187 Comments ”

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/08/09/oregon-governor-drops-reading-writing-and-math-proficiency-standards-for-high-school-graduation-office-says-it-will-help-people-of-color/

  24. Simon Derricutt says:

    TTN – “The son says, “Today I found out that EVERYTHING I BELIEVED WAS WRONG!””

    Most of the people I talk to wouldn’t get that. They prefer to be certain that what they know is right, and ignore data that disagrees with what they know is right. If you go back to the string on Tic-Tacs, there’s physics there that implies that a lot of old theories are a bit wrong. Incidentally there’s now a bit more data on that that I’ll put up once properly digested.

    The implications that the riots were carefully-directed to destroy property value and thus to pick it up at fire-sale prices seem to have too much evidence to dismiss as conspiracy theory alone. I have difficulty understanding the reasons behind this, though, since I figure that the value of some location really lies in the people and not the place. Where the Agenda 21 ideas seem to be predicated on a reduction of the number of people who can be allowed to survive (hard to state that this is really living given the restrictions on freedom involved), I see that more people will result in quicker advances and improvements in how we do things. Sure, there’s a balance between local population density (too-crowed has its problems) and the amount of specialisation that a higher density allows to happen. Part of the high rate of improvement in Silicon Valley was because you could find a specialist company to do pretty well anything that was needed. Enough customers around in a small area to support many specialists. If it takes half a day to travel to your neighbour, everyone needs to be a generalist instead. Yep, the net changes some of that and enables the other side of the world to be a few seconds distant as regards discussion, so physical proximity is no longer so critical except for deliveries of physical stuff.

    Question is whether we’re missing a lot of what is happening because the reasons for doing it don’t make sense to us? Is the reasoning behind it such anathema to us that we think no-one could be evil enough to want to actually do it? I see zero gain for the USA government (or its TLAs) in organising 9/11, though I can see a possibility of a sting operation that was intended to be stopped at the last moment and thus win some kudos for the people who stopped it, but they failed to stop it and covered up afterwards. Still, there could be another purpose there, and reasoning behind it that, as makers rather than breakers, we simply can’t comprehend.

    I am often reminded of how hard it is in general for someone to change their beliefs. At the moment I’ve been having emails from a guy in India who figures that he can produce Free Energy by coupling a fan and a wind-turbine together since he’s seen that using the venturi effect gets a lot more power for the same size wind turbine. He says I don’t understand his design (and need to sign an NDA to see it) and he thinks it’s obvious it will work (and of course I tell him it’s obvious it won’t). Another guy I talked to a while back thought that a flywheel generated work, because he’d mixed up the foot-pound of energy with the pound-foot of torque in his calculations. AFAIK he still believes it will work once he builds one big-enough, though the last one I saw that he built was around a couple of tons. I can say to people “this is exactly where your error is” and they still don’t see it….

    Still, it remains that I lack that total certainty that I had when I was at school and college. I can be certain about what works and has been tested enough times, but I can’t be certain about what is impossible. Some stuff I was taught was impossible actually that hard to do. Incidentally I’d point out that it’s OK to make some wild leaps at times provided you then go back and build a proper bridge so that others can follow. It’s those wild leaps that needs human inspirations, and AI looks incapable of that because they won’t ignore the built-in rules.

    Are we up against a belief system that we don’t understand? Surely there’s enough evidence that too much socialism leads to large-scale poverty and that a top-down political system stifles advances that anyone should be able to see the problems? It’s also obvious that having too few regulations leads to misery too. The problem is in finding the optimum middle path.

  25. Power Grab says:

    @ TTN:

    Thanks! Those were some valuable links. :-)

  26. Power Grab says:

    @ Simon Derricutt re:
    “Question is whether we’re missing a lot of what is happening because the reasons for doing it don’t make sense to us? Is the reasoning behind it such anathema to us that we think no-one could be evil enough to want to actually do it?”

    That would be me.

    In my favorite part of my day job, when writing a program or designing a user-accessible item, I don’t have much trouble slipping into their mindset. But when I try to do that to understand the senseless violence in the news, it’s just such an anathema to try on a mindset that would trigger that behavior, I just can’t make it work. It’s just too repulsive.

  27. The True Nolan says:

    Have watched some of the Mike Lindell Cyber Symposium about the 2020 election fraud.
    https://rumble.com/vi1or5-rsbn-live.html
    He says there will be a big announcement at 7:00 PM Central time. Note also that the link is to Rumble. His originally planned venue for FrankSpeech was shut down by a denial of service attack.
    Just saw a math professor give a convincing speech on how the various states were rigged.

  28. jim2 says:

    While I feel any man accused of sexual harassment should have his day in court, due process, I won’t miss smirking, smarmy, supercilious, egotistical Cuomo. He just thought the world couldn’t get on without him. He is disgusting generally, not due to the charges, but just the way he is.

  29. E.M.Smith says:

    @Simon:

    What I think is needed to have it “fit” is pretty simple. You look for overall net gain. They look for personal advancement up the heap.

    So take a 50 year old urban area with successful businesses in 2 or 3 story brick and scattered single family homes. Folks not willing to sell unless they get the full value out of it. Burn that to the ground, now you can “assemble” several blocks worth of developable land near an Urban Center, and at near nothing prices. NOW you build (using nearly free Fed Loans…) high rise offices and high rise apartments. Calculate the rental income off that… Very nice win. For you.

    Similarly, say there’s 10000 small businesses making widgets similar to yours. Put them out of business via lockdowns, and your revenue goes up greatly. (Think retail vs Amazon…)

    Folks on The Top are more worried about keep others OFF of the top, than about making the pie bigger.

    @TTN:

    So about 5 hours from now…

    I’ll have to find it / link to it…

  30. Gail Combs says:

    Hi Guys,

    I have been following the more political site, (they really need science and logic help at times.)

    Here is what I think at this point.

    #1. The Tea Party marching/activism fell flat because the Fake News pretended they did not exist and the Republican party actively squashed them. (If a tree falls….)

    #2. The Jan 6th mess is looking more and more like a PLANNED operation by the FBI with help from ANTIFA and BLM. Consider: A scant 3 months before “12 of the 14 men involved in the plot to kidnap Governor Gretchen Whitmer turned out to be federal informants” (numbers keep changing) The group was associated with the Three Percenters

    CONCLUSION: Forget ‘protests’ they only work for Leftists and the FBI is primed and waiting for you if you put a toe over their line in the sand.

    …….

    Alternates:
    1. Taking over the Republican party at the grassroots level AKA “The Precinct Strategy”
    *https://rumble.com/vi9kal-take-over-the-republican-party-the-precinct-strategy-with-dan-schultz.html

    2. “50 state audit” project (Up on twitter)

    3. “Critical Race Theory” — Take over of Board of Elections. An organization is collecting election dates for board of elections of ALL Public Schools. Meanwhile SPEAK OUT and organize home schooling. The ladies at the website I frequent are doing this for their kids and grand kids.

    4. Passing on the real news
    This one is GRIM…
    (Note the guy who got the original goods was indicted by Kamala the Hoe for spying on planned parenthood.)
    Judicial Watch: Government-Funded Researchers Sought Aborted Minorities for Organ Harvesting

    The federal government gave at least $2.7 million in taxpayer money to researchers who sought out minority babies who had been aborted in order to harvest their organs, according to internal documents released Tuesday.

    The University of Pittsburgh targeted minorities in its request for infant organs—including those taken from full-term babies—to create a “pipeline” for fetal research. Researchers said they needed 50 percent of the donated fetuses to be minorities and specified that 25 percent must come from black women. The Pittsburgh metropolitan area is 85 percent white and 8 percent black.

    𝗥𝗲𝘀𝗲𝗮𝗿𝗰𝗵𝗲𝗿𝘀 𝘀𝘁𝗿𝗲𝘀𝘀𝗲𝗱 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗶𝗺𝗽𝗼𝗿𝘁𝗮𝗻𝗰𝗲 𝗼𝗳 𝗺𝗮𝗶𝗻𝘁𝗮𝗶𝗻𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗼𝗿𝗴𝗮𝗻 𝗯𝗹𝗼𝗼𝗱 𝗳𝗹𝗼𝘄 𝗶𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗿𝗲𝗾𝘂𝗲𝘀𝘁, which watchdogs say could violate federal law by asking doctors to illegally preserve organs during labor-inducing abortions….

    𝗥𝗲𝘀𝗲𝗮𝗿𝗰𝗵𝗲𝗿𝘀 𝘀𝘁𝗿𝗲𝘀𝘀𝗲𝗱 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗶𝗺𝗽𝗼𝗿𝘁𝗮𝗻𝗰𝗲 𝗼𝗳 𝗺𝗮𝗶𝗻𝘁𝗮𝗶𝗻𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗼𝗿𝗴𝗮𝗻 𝗯𝗹𝗼𝗼𝗱 𝗳𝗹𝗼𝘄 𝗶𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗿𝗲𝗾𝘂𝗲𝘀𝘁 Does that mean these babies were still alive when their organs were removed?
    Do not forget Virginia and New York now allow full term abortion.

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    And if you are not already aware of Dr Fleming and his website. This is the covid documentation page.
    https://www.flemingmethod.com/documentation

    This is a four hour presentation:
    *https://brandnewtube.com/watch/event-2021-in-dallas-tx-dr-richard-fleming_eslCioAoMq7HsRV.html

    He was indited by the IRS for medicare fraud. (An easy set-up for trashing a maverick in my opinion, since a doctor would not be doing his own book-keeping.)

    I am citing him because as he says, don’t take his word for it LOOK AT THE DOCUMENTATION and he has a really great site with most if not all the documentation well organized and laid out. He also was part of a FULL FACTORIAL DESIGNED EXPERIMENT.

    FMTVDM Quantitative Nuclear Imaging finds Three Treatments for SARS-CoV-2

    METHOD: 1800 people testing positive for SARS-CoV-2 from 23 sites in 7 countries were studied including outpatient and inpatient care and treatment. Outpatients were either treated with an aminoquinoline or followed without specific treatment. Hospitalized patients were divided into two Phases of the study comparing 10 treatments and 52 treatment combinations using quantitative nuclear imaging (FMTVDM), Ferritin and IL-6 to measure the severity of the infection and resulting ITR in addition to measured
    treatment response….

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    In the ‘for what its worth’ category. I had covid in 2018 after visiting UNC hospital near Ralph Baric’s research lab. — (Lost sense of smell/taste, rushed to ER because I could not breathe, treated for ‘Asthma’ and pneumonia. Chronic ‘blue lips’ & low %O2) — I have had constant ‘Asthma’ ever since until 2 months ago. At that time I spent 4 to 6 hours worming goats with Moxidectin, an avermection like Ivermectin. I have been ‘asthma’ free ever since DESPITE lots of grass pollen and animal dander (runny nose and itchy eyes but NO ASTHMA! :>D )

    Moxidectin and ivermectin inhibit SARS-CoV-2 replication in Vero E6 cells but not in
    human primary airway epithelium cells
    *https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.17.444467v1.full.pdf

  31. E.M.Smith says:

    @Gail:

    That’s a lot of good stuff right there…

    For those wondering what’s an “Aminoquinoline”, it’s a way to avoid the politically forbidden words:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-Aminoquinoline

    4-Aminoquinoline is a form of aminoquinoline with the amino group at the 4-position of the quinoline. The compound has been used as a precursor for the synthesis of its derivatives.

    A variety of derivatives of 4-aminoquinoline are antimalarial agents useful in treating erythrocytic plasmodial infections. Examples include amodiaquine, chloroquine, and hydroxychloroquine. Other uses for the derivatives are: anti-asthmatic, antibacterial, anti-fungal, anti-malarial, antiviral and anti-inflammatory agents.

    A patent application for 4-aminoquinoline compounds was filed in 2002 and published in 2005.

    It might also point at other useful compounds (so if their search was broad enough, they might find more…)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8-Aminoquinoline

    The derivatives primaquine, tafenoquine and pamaquine have been tested for anti-malaria activity. Primaquine is still used routinely worldwide as part of the treatment of Plasmodium vivax and Plasmodium ovale malaria. Tafenoquine was approved for medical use in Australia and in the United States in 2018.

    So make a list “for that day” when all the ones you heard of already are banned due to working…

  32. The True Nolan says:

    @Gail Good to see you back, Gail! You say “I have had constant ‘Asthma’ ever since until 2 months ago. At that time I spent 4 to 6 hours worming goats”

    I had not realized it until I read your words — but my frequent itchy eyes and sometimes runny nose has practically disappeared since using IVM. I’ll have to start paying closer attention.

    @EM “Folks on The Top are more worried about keep others OFF of the top, than about making the pie bigger.”

    That seems to be one way of telling who is psychopathic and who is normally empathic. Most people LIKE getting a bigger piece of pie but don’t care at all whether other people do as well.

  33. E.M.Smith says:

    H/T: The True Nolan!

    The True Nolan says:
    10 August 2021 at 6:42 pm (Edit)
    Have watched some of the Mike Lindell Cyber Symposium about the 2020 election fraud.
    https://rumble.com/vi1or5-rsbn-live.html

    I’ve been watching this and it is facinating (if somewhat repeatative). Looks like the announcement happens at that link, in about 7 minutes… so tune in folks.

  34. The True Nolan says:

    @EM: Don’t know if you had a chance to see the slide show by Dr. Frank this morning, but the stats on how the votes were allocated was jaw dropping. I am sure that his presentation will be posted online as a separate video at some point. Every piece of data I see points toward fraud. None of it points toward a fair election.

    Just a couple minutes… We’ll see whether this is a big deal, or another fizzle. I would love to see a metaphorical information bomb, something big enough to motivate people. And if the people get off their couch, what will the military do? Or NOT do? Interesting times.

  35. The True Nolan says:

    “We’ll see whether this is a big deal, or another fizzle. I would love to see a metaphorical information bomb, something big enough to motivate people. ”

    My opinion? Looks like a fizzle. The announcement is that the Mesa County, Colorado, head of elections says that the election has irregularities and her office was just raided at the orders of the Colorado Secretary of State. Legally? Yes, a lot of legal implications of that happening, all of them unpleasant — but this NOT an announcement that will get people off the couch. Lindell is going to have to do something more than that if he is to succeed. I have no doubt that he is correct about the fraud — but MOST people do not understand numbers. You could absolutely have iron clad mathematical proof, and no one would care. It needs to be something that grabs people’s emotions. I keep hoping, but hope won’t fix things.

  36. Kneel says:

    “What we thought up for “terrorists” to do was truly frightening.”

    A bit of insider knowledge goes a long way – for instance, I am certain I could take down the entire electrical grid on the east coast of Australia with a few strategically placed “events”, having worked in the industry back in the day. Or a great deal of high value data center stuff (lot’s of Gov and defense servers), again with a few well placed “events”. Not particularly difficult to do, but the motivation is not there – as you say, I want to build things, not break them.

    “Looks like a fizzle.”

    As an Aussie, I find it hard to understand the US’ love affair with voting machines – paper all the way, baby!
    You just need a lot of polling places, so each one gets a manageable number of voters, then the people in that polling place count the ballots at close and send numbers by email, phone call, whatever. All fully auditable if you have the time and $.

    The big kicker for me in terms of the US 2020 election was this video from the Epoch Times:

    long at 50 mins, but worth a look (apologies if I have posted before).

  37. The True Nolan says:

    @Kneel: “As an Aussie, I find it hard to understand the US’ love affair with voting machines – paper all the way, baby!”

    As an American I find it equally baffling — especially with their KNOWN vulnerabilities and “mistakes”. Kneel, I am convinced we (the US) has been programmed by media to NOT see the problems with computerized voting. Even now, after mathematically certain vote rigging, the media still constantly says that the vote was fair and accurate and that all doubts are unfounded doubts. I have been warning friends since 2000 that computers have ZERO place in the voting process. Madness!

  38. E.M.Smith says:

    @TTN:

    Yeah, fizzle. All I got out of it was “Yet Another Soros Funded Marxist-lite pushing their ‘office & powers’ to the limit to keep the con going and prevent any audit”… and that isn’t exactly news anymore. We now know that Soros has funded hundreds of campaigns for DAs and Sect’y of State et. al. for the express purpose of blocking the correct Rule Of Law and to damage / bring down America (for his financial gain).

    @Kneel:

    Yup. At Disney, my job was to run “Disaster Recovery Drills”. Each started with a “scenario” were we cooked up some plausible (and sometimes entirely laughable… if the mood needed it ;-) scenarios that took down the Main Data Center. (One actually had happened once: Lightning hit a flag pole out front, flashed over about 3 feet of wet sand, into the main water pipe, and raised the entire ground plane of the building blowing BOTH independent power feeds / UPS Units…)

    What was slightly scary for me is that, having visited and looked at it, a few of my “scenarios” could actually happen fairly easily. We’re taking things with “large mobile equipment” not just hurricanes… I’m pretty sure many companies are like that.

    Per Power: California is critically dependent on imported power from 2 places. Palo Verde nuclear in Arizona, and the Pacific DC Intertie.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_DC_Intertie

    Both power lines cross hundreds of miles of substantially empty land. I’m pretty sure cutting either one would shove California into “Unstable grid” territory and take the whole place down (as we are on the edge of that already from too much wind and solar dependency… especially with having emptied the lakes for a minnow our dispatchable hydro capacity is also drying up, literally).

    I’m certain that cutting both would put California in the dark for days to weeks. 2 guys, 2 backpacks. Or 2 trucks. Or 2 planes. I’m also pretty sure the Authorities are aware of this as are the Bad Guys so I don’t think I’m spilling the beans here.

    The most hard to replace bits are the DC / AC conversion chunks, but those are reasonably well protected at each end. Taking out wire or towers in the middle can physically be easily replaced, so the damage is time limited. BUT it would take a while, and the resulting chaos would make the Texas outage look tame. (Most of the L.A. Basin can not function without working electricity and fuel / water pumps. The “Lift” of the California Aqueduct over the moutnains into L.A. for example.) Some of that will be kept going with Diesel Standby Generators, but then you have a fuel delivery issue… Try crossing L.A. in a fuel truck with the traffic lights ALL out. It’s hard enough with them working…

    Oh Well.

    @Per Voting Machines:

    It is NOT “the Americans” who love voting machines. It is the Politicians they elect that buy them… THOSE rats love them. IMHO, there’s a decent crop of RINOs in the “controlled opposition” who are also “machine elected” and so fighting too to prevent the truth.

    This is a coordinated and combined assault on The USA, with substantially ALL of the DNC candidates on board with The Big Steal, and, IMHO, an increasing number of RINOs in on it.

    In my opinion, it started small (likely in Chicago, the best vote stealers in the country…) and one “problematic” county at a time, the Dims rolled it out. The more they did, the better they did. Rinse and repeat. Somewhere along the line, I’d suspect some nominally Republican “caught on” and quietly asked some questions… got himself in on the action via agreeing to “cooperate” on legislation. Thus, again IMHO, the Mitch McConnells of the world. (Among others…)

    But Trump forced them to go “nation wide” ahead of “schedule” (somewhere there’s a statement that 2030 was a target date…) and thankfully, it was so Ham Handed that we got to SEE the steal happen.

    I, too, have been muttering about computers NOT being a good idea (also voting has to happen on ONE day otherwise you give too much time for the bus to move fraudulent voters around to more areas…). BUT, I’m not the one who makes the decision. That decision is by the Politicians who are using the machines to guarantee they win…

    Not sure how to fix it at this point. I do like the idea of melting them down to make bars…

  39. Eric Barnes says:

    @Ed Forbes
    9 August 2021 at 6:25 pm

    The US is self segregating Red vs Blue. If current policy differences continue, I see civil war more likely than random attacks. Sane people will not see the point of random attacks.

    Hi Ed, I think that the left is driving the segregation through non-enforcement of the law.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marcus_Licinius_Crassus
    created a fire brigade and profited. The DNC machine profits by controlling the mob and selectively shaking down and victimizing innocents. Who is going to go into the inner city now with the example of lawlessness on the books? Only the politically connected who can call the shots or who are directly supported by the politicians/donor class. There is no representative government in the larger cities and given the example of the large cities being able to bend the rules from last November, we won’t have truly fair elections again in all but the reddest of states. Who knows when the breaking point will be reached. I hope I’m long gone by that time and I fear for my children.

  40. YMMV says:

    Ossqss 9 August 2021: “Amazingly, those who push for the rapid change desired, have no clue on how to manage it if it happens.”

    Not so surprising. Are there any examples of revolutions building something better? There are those who are good at destroying and there are those who are good at building. I make an exception here for the American Revolution, since as a new set of colonies, it already was a new system, ready for independence. And they had some great builders then.

    Cuba before the revolution was run by the despot Batista, who deserved to be overthrown, but then they got Castro. Bad luck. JFK thought that mob corrupt Cuba needed a revolution. Maybe the mob disagreed enough to arrange an assassination. Who knows?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulgencio_Batista

  41. kneel63 says:

    “…raised the entire ground plane of the building…”

    Heh. There is a substation here in Sydney that provides around 500MW or so to the southern areas (330/132 kV). It has a very “bad” substation earth due to geography (little topsoil on sandstone). When a fire went through, it caused that substation earth to rise several hundred volts during a fault. Not usually a problem, except that some genius decided to put up a wire security fence and gate to the main control room – that fence/gate “joined” the inner fences (tied to substation earth) with the outer fences (just buried in the ground), which meant that when the fault ocurred, the chain/padlock holding the gate shut welded itself together – no access in or out until someone with bolt cutters arrived to cut the chain. Even years later that chain still had several sections where the links were welded together – not just a “tack” weld you could break with a hammer, but a nice solid one. Now THAT’S “ground bounce”!!

  42. rherndon47 says:

    The fact that this group of planners and builders are discussing this issue shows that the next step is visible from here (not a single comment disagreed with EM’s article). The fact that there are so many reports of suburban house wives attending school board meetings and challenging school board policies is just the tip of the iceberg! The people in the middle, who only want to live their lives, are fed up! It’s won’t take much for the iceberg to roll over.

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