Mandatory Vaccination or Weekly Test Papers

As “regulars” will know, I took a part time job with my Dentist to help him out. His regular I.T. Guy retired and moved out of State (wait, wasn’t that what I’m doing?… yes, but I’m still here for a while…) I don’t really need the money, but it didn’t hurt and let me buy a few new toys along the way. (One I got today was a DeLorme Atlas of Arizona to plot a rural course across the state should the Dims in D.C.decide “your papers please!” applies at State Borders…)

So now comes my dilemma. Fill them out and turn them in to keep helping a friend I’ve known for about 35 years? Or stand by my principles, disappoint an old friend (and long time service provider to my family) and hand him back a load of I.T. problems without a support person?

The Details:

First, I’ve got him HIPPA compliant for now. There’s still some upgrades to do and a log archival process to complete, but his shop runs and any “defects” in a HIPPA audit will be new things to fix, not $10k penalties. I’ve done a decent job of squashing anything big. But there’s a lot of “putty and Spackle work” left to do.

Second, I’m leaving the State in a few weeks to months anyway, so intended to give an “early warning” to start looking soon anyway. But the present situation would be a sudden “cut”.

Then there’s the Documents / Policy:

It looks like a Dental Association Boiler Plate. He’s vaccinated and pro-covid-vax, so doesn’t see this as an issue. That’s going to be an issue in itself. (I’ve told him about my Ivermectin use and he was fine with that; but the “paperwork” isn’t).

https://www.cda.org/Home/Practice/Back-to-Practice/Preparing-your-Practice/Restarting-Office-Equipment/covid-19-mandatory-policy-instructions-for-employers-and-sample-mandatory-vaccination-policy

The Instuctions that have a link to a “.docx” document. It looks like the same thing I was given on paper (I’ve bolded some items and it is missing the Cal. D.Assoc. header):

Mandatory COVID-19 Vaccination Policy

[Insert new policy effective date here]

In accordance with [employer name]’s duty to provide and maintain a workplace that is free of known hazards, we are adopting this policy to safeguard the health of our employees and their families, our customers and visitors and the community at large from infectious diseases, such as COVID-19, that may be reduced by vaccinations. This policy complies with all applicable laws and is based on guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and state and local health authorities as applicable.

Scope
All employees are required to receive vaccinations as determined by [insert employer name] unless a reasonable accommodation is approved. Employees who are not fully vaccinated in compliance with this policy will be required to wear a surgical mask at all times and be subject to weekly COVID-19 testing.

Unvaccinated or incompletely vaccinated workers must also observe all other infection control requirements, including masking, and are not exempted from the testing requirement even if they have a medical contraindication to vaccination, since they are still potentially able to spread the illness. Previous history of COVID-19 from which the individual recovered more than 90 days earlier or a previous positive antibody test for COVID-19 do not waive this requirement for testing.

Procedures
Employer will notify employees of the timeframe for having the vaccine administered. [Employer name] will provide either onsite access to the vaccine or a list of locations to assist employees in receiving vaccines on their own.

[Employer name]will pay for any out-of-pocket expense for all vaccinations covered by this policy. When not received in-house, any fees associated with obtaining the vaccination should be run through employees’ health insurance where applicable and otherwise be submitted for reimbursement.

All employees will be paid for time taken to receive vaccinations. For offsite vaccinations, employees are to work with their manager to schedule appropriate time to comply with this policy.

Before the stated deadlines to be vaccinated have expired, employees will be required to provide either proof of vaccination or a written approved reasonable accommodation to be exempted from the vaccine requirements. Employees who do not provide timely proof of vaccination will be required to submit to weekly COVID-19 testing and wear an approved face covering at all times while in the workplace and when engaging with patients/customers unless an approved exemption from wearing a face covering has been provided.

Reasonable accommodation
Employees in need of an exemption from this policy due to a medical reason or because of a sincerely held religious belief must submit a completed Request for Accommodation form to the employer to begin the interactive accommodation process as soon as possible after vaccination deadlines have been announced. Accommodations will be granted where they do not cause employer undue hardship or pose a direct threat to the health and safety of others.
Please direct any questions regarding this policy to the [employer or representative].
On [insert date here], I acknowledge that I have received the following [new] policy for the [practice/employer name here]’s employee manual.

My signature below indicates that I have read and understand the above-mentioned statements and I understand that it is my responsibility to read and comply with this policy. I further understand that I should consult [Insert practice contact name here] regarding any questions raised by this policy and not answered in the employee manual.

Employee name (printed):

Employee signature:

Date:

So, OK, pay for the Jab but not for the Tests…

Note there is no exception for folks working off hours when patients are not in and I can work on the computer stuff.

Note that there is a claim that all of this complies with law, yet it violates the Americans With Disabilities Act (M.S. folks can’t get the jab, so lose their job), HIPPA (I must disclose my medical information), and the Nuremberg Codes (injection without fully informed consent – Pfizer / Moderna threw away their Control Group, and can NOT have completed the necessary testing for long term effects, heck, even medium term such as ADE; so it is impossible to be fully informed and give informed consent).

Notice that there is NO RECOGNITION that “fully vaccinated” folks are the ones spreading Delta as “Superspreaders” who don’t know they are shedding virus like crazy without symptoms.

Notice there is no recognition of prophylaxis treatments, such as used by the FLCCC Front Line Doctors, which are shown effective at prevention of infection, and so, shedding.

Then, I might be granted an exemption if I’m able to make a compelling case that doesn’t unduly bother the employer.

Oh, and I stopped at CVS pharmacy to buy a “Test Kit”. Oddly, that had a push cart with many cartons of them on it. Somebody had to start making those months ago for them to be on site now…

One sends the results to your cell phone, and costs $40. Why you would want that is unclear to me. I bought an Abbott labs kit that has two swabs and chem packs for two tests for $30, or $15 each. (It reads a color stripe off the chem pack for positive or negative) So the MINIMUM I can be stuck with is $15 / week or about $750 for a 50 week year (assuming I get vacation time ;-)

But Wait, there’s more!

Self Certification Of Vaccination Status doesn’t sound so bad, does it. “I’m not vaccinated”. End of story? Nope.

https://www.cda.org/Home/Resource-Library/Resources/category/vaccine-resources/self-certification-of-employee-vaccination-status

Points to a PDF link for the document. I’m going to cut/paste the text and that may need some formatting clean-up, changes. Again I’m also going to bold a few bits so they are easy to spot.

Self-Certification of Employee Vaccination Status
Employer Name: _____________________________________________
Employee Name: _____________________________________________
Date of Birth: _____________________________________________

Per Cal/OSHA COVID-19 Prevention Emergency Temporary Standards (ETS), all businesses and governmental entities in California are required to determine and document the COVID-19 vaccination status of their employees.
In light of this requirement, you must provide the information requested below.

Please note that you are required to provide accurate information about your vaccination status in response to the questions below, or alternatively may decline to provide your vaccination status. If you decline to provide information about your vaccination status, we will be required to assume you are unvaccinated for purposes of rules or requirements in the workplace that are different for vaccinated or unvaccinated employees. For example, if requirements on face coverings allow fully vaccinated employees not to wear face coverings in certain settings, the information collected below will be used to determine whether you will be required to wear a face covering in those settings.

For purposes of this certification, you are considered “fully vaccinated” two weeks after completing the second dose of a two-dose COVID-19 vaccine (e.g., Pfizer or Moderna) or two weeks after receiving a single dose of a one-dose vaccine (e.g., Johnson & Johnson/Janssen)

Please select the statement below that accurately describes your vaccination status:

O   I am fully vaccinated.
O   I received my second dose of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine 
    my single dose of a Johnson & Johnson vaccine less   
    than two weeks ago.
O   I received my first dose of Moderna or Pfizer, and my 
    second appointment is scheduled.
O   I have not yet been vaccinated, but I have already scheduled 
    an appointment to receive my first dose of vaccine.
O   I have not been vaccinated.
O   I decline to answer whether I have been vaccinated.

I understand that I am required to provide accurate information in response to the question above. I hereby affirm that I have accurately and truthfully answered the question above. I also understand that if I stated that I am fully vaccinated, my employer must request documentation of my vaccination status (e.g., a copy of my vaccine card or other similar official document confirming vaccination status).

I consent to my employer sharing this information with the local health department, CDPH, the Division, and(NIOSH) when required by law.

Employee Signature: _____________________________________________
Date: _____________________________________________

I have been shown acceptable proof and verified the employee’s full COVID-19 vaccine status.

Signature of Representative: __________________________________________________

Lucky us, California has it’s own OSHA, Cal-OSHA that is more draconian than the Feds one. Now normally I’d not be bothered too much by a vaccination record. However, what with the Nightly News (NBC at least) and a few Democrats In D.C. claiming that anyone NOT supporting the Government Get Vaxxed position is a “Domestic Terrorist” and what with Clintons to Obama to Biden’s supporting cast members loving their “Enemies Lists” – I’m seeing this a a Great Way to get a full Enemies List of folks not willing to comply.

Again note that there is NO option on that check box list for “I have natural immunity confirmed by antibody test” nor is there “I am on effective prophylaxis”.

This smells to me like a Big “Bums Rush”. Just “why” is a little fuzzy.

Then, your “status” can be shared with a laundry list of Agencies beholden to Political Powers Above Them.

Local Department of Health (who, in at least one case, took a woman’s daughter away as she was not vexxinated).

California Department Of Public Health (at least I think that’s what CDPH is) who are firmly in the DNC Pocket via Gov. Nuesance…

I have no idea what “the Division” might be.

National Institute For Occupational Safety And Health – A Biden Friendly bunch of folks I’m sure.

Now tell me again why my private medical information and decisions are to be shared all over the place to agencies with agenda that are not friendly to me?

In Conclusion

I’m not looking forward to tomorrow. I’m pretty sure I’ve got to say “No. Not complying” and just take things as they come.

I’ll try to comfort my sense of loyalty and friendship being abused by the “No” with the awareness that it is not me making this choice. I had the choice forced upon me and against my will.

But I just don’t see how I can comply with a Vaccine Passport even if dressed up as a “Policy”. I have my own policies. And make my own medical decisions.

So that’s where I’m at. We’ll see how this sorts out. I can likely wangle a week or two of “non-compliance” to write up a road map for future improvements for “the next guy” and clean up the loose ends before I leave.

It also only really moves up the “schedule” by about a month, 2 max, so there’s that.

Addendum

This is the guidance / directions for the “Self Certification” document (I’ve bolded the bit at the bottom where it extends to “independent contractors”):

Self-Certification of Employee Vaccination Status
July 27, 2021 10732 Print this page

Instructions

Employers looking to take advantage of the exceptions for social distancing, required testing, workplace exclusions and face coverings must have documentation showing employees are fully vaccinated, according to the Cal/OSHA Emergency Temporary Standards (ETS).

As defined in the ETS, a “fully vaccinated” employee* means the employer has documentation showing that the person received, at least 14 days prior, either the second dose in a two-dose COVID-19 vaccine series or a single-dose COVID-19 vaccine. Vaccines must be FDA approved or have an emergency use authorization from the FDA.

Further, effective no later than August 23rd, California issued an order requiring all health care workers in the state to either show proof of full vaccination against COVID-19 or be tested regularly. Employers in health care settings must verify that their workers are fully vaccinated against COVID-19. Dental staff who are not fully vaccinated or who cannot show proof of vaccination are subject to weekly COVID-19 testing and will be required to wear surgical masks, at minimum.

In lieu of obtaining a copy of the employee’s vaccine card, employees may show official proof of the vaccine or other similar health care provider documentation (see below) confirming the vaccine status to a designated representative of the business. If an employee provides a copy of their vaccine card, or other documentation employers should instruct employees to omit any medical information unrelated to their vaccine status.

Pursuant to the CDPH Guidance for Vaccine Records Guidelines & Standards, only the following modes may be used as proof of vaccination:

COVID-19 Vaccination Record Card (issued by the Department of Health and Human Services Centers for Disease Control & Prevention or WHO Yellow Card) which includes name of person vaccinated, type of vaccine provided and date last dose administered); OR
a photo of a Vaccination Record Card as a separate document; OR
a photo of the client’s Vaccination Record Card stored on a phone or electronic device; OR
documentation of COVID-19 vaccination from a health care provider; OR
digital record that includes a QR code that when scanned by a SMART Health Card reader displays to the reader client name, date of birth, vaccine dates and vaccine type. The QR code must also confirm the vaccine record as an official record of the state of California; OR
documentation of vaccination from other contracted employers who follow these vaccination records guidelines and standards.
In the absence of knowledge to the contrary, a facility may accept the documentation presented as valid.

Facilities must have a plan in place for tracking verified worker vaccination status. Records of vaccination verification must be made available, upon request, to the local health jurisdiction for purposes of case investigation.

Workers who are not fully vaccinated, or for whom vaccine status is unknown or documentation is not provided, must be considered unvaccinated.

Employers must meet compliance obligations with respect to medical records and the protection of employees’ private and confidential information.

*Includes associates classified as independent contractors

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58 Responses to Mandatory Vaccination or Weekly Test Papers

  1. John Hultquist says:

    I am overly joyed that I don’t face this issue.
    I wish you well as this play moves forward.

    Years ago I had “a flu” and never want another.
    Covid seems like a flu – maybe it isn’t.
    Having had many shots over the past 20 years
    without a hitch, this one (2 dose Pfizer) had the same
    “no reaction” outcome.
    I do find what these rules have become to be insane and troubling.
    The future may be thus for a dozen different things, such as the
    plain vanilla flu. Why not, and what else?

    Meanwhile, the society has bigger issues, such as crime, mental health,
    obesity, education, and socialism.

    Maybe the Dems will get wiped out mid-terms and next presidential election.

  2. YMMV says:

    Relevant article: “If your employer demands you vaccinate, don’t quit”
    https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2021/09/if_your_employer_demands_you_vaccinate_dont_quit.html
    Sort of the reverse of “you can’t fire me — I quit!”

    Your situation has other factors, but I wouldn’t even sign those papers. Put the ball in his court. Too bad he is a friend; maybe he will struggle and hopefully find some accommodation. The IT guy doesn’t “see patients” and he does not even see the patients. Maybe he can afford to pay for the test kits while you are still in California.

    There is no line for “I have had Covid and now I am immune”. And no line for any vaccine which is not Pfizer or Moderna.

    “All employees” … technically I doubt you are an employee. Being paid isn’t enough.

  3. E.M.Smith says:

    @YMMV:

    In fact, I am an employee. Why? Because HIPPA law now says that if you are a contractor to a health provider you, too, must be HIPPA Compliant (and that includes $10k fines if you miss something… along with mail archive and full log archival and a HIPPA Compliant security fire wall with logs kept 6 years and Hippa Compliance audits and… Waay too much trouble for maybe $10k of “helping a friend”), so the easy bypass was put me under his HIPPA compliance via W2 employee status.

    The article is all about making it uncomfortable for the employer to enforce the mandates. I don’t particularly want to make a friend uncomfortable; but in fact, I have no choice. Leaving will be most uncomfortable for him as he spent months trying to find a “new guy” when his old guy retired, and I was “recruited” to fill in as a sort of emergency basis to make sure he didn’t hit a Hippa Compliance failure. There’s basically been a relatively huge drain of I.T. small shop talent just leaving the State. Marry that to the HIPPA crap making contracting firms reluctant… Leaving basically puts him back in Aw Shit City running a high tech shop (just installed 3 D printers for him to print “teeth” models of patients) with zero support staff… But I’ll leave the choice up to him. He can conform to the CDA / Cal OSHA or he can have me do work. Do remember, though, that I think the CDA controls his registration / licence and Cal OSHA can shut him down for non-compliance, so he can’t really say “No.” while I can.

    Per “make them pay severance”: I’m a part time at-will low hours zero benefits guy (and wanted it that way). I’m not going to get anything when I leave (it is all in the hourly rate…) which is again how I wanted it.

    At the end of the day this is his business, not mine. I did what I was originally asked to do, and now it’s really sort of a hold over “got comfortable” for both of us. I’m leaving Dodge in a month or two anyway for Florida, so this just ups the schedule a little bit.

    @John H.:

    I’m still hoping for a “You are both right” result. That the general population reaches a natural immunity stage from the “Variants” infecting the vaccinated as well as the unvaccinated; all while those of us using prophylactics get enough exposure to the bug to get immunity too. It would be nice if both paths worked out OK and the only result was some GEBs raking in a few $Billion that wasn’t needed.

    But my fear is that there is something worse afoot. Just too much coordination globally on things like forcing injections against your will and requiring Digital Papers to do normal life functions. Ignoring ADE with a leaky virus in a pandemic. The vilification of treatments that work well and are proven to work well. It just isn’t normal or right; so speaks to a coordinated attack by (someone) on (the world) for unknown ends. Coupled with the frequent pronouncements by said GEBs that the world population needs a good culling and reduction to under 1 Billion and it’s just a bit too creepy for comfort.

    So, in this Grand Global Experiment, I’m self selected into the Control Group. Given that, I’m not about to “throw away the control group” like Pfizer did, as “that’s just so wrong”. So no pokey-pokey for me until we have our answers on ADE, Vaccine Escape, Original Antigenic Sin, and Long Term Effects.

  4. John Hultquist says:

    a natural immunity stage from the “Variants” infecting the vaccinated

    2 weeks ago I had about 18 hours of (first) sneezing, and then sniffles.
    I canceled the one get-together, and on the 3rd day went back to normal.
    It might have been something else. I’ve not got a clue.

  5. YMMV says:

    “Because HIPPA law now says that if you are a contractor to a health provider you, too, must be HIPPA Compliant”
    Ouch. Even the janitor, the plumber, the babysitter? If that isn’t a legal nightmare!

    I think that “I’m waiting for the Novavax vaccine” (or the ZyCov-D vaccine or others) should be a valid reason to not yet be vaccinated. Personally, I think it should be a “don’t ask, don’t tell” thing, but we have gone beyond that. The world may not have ended yet, but it has certainly gone mad.

    The safest thing is to quit your employment. He can continue to use your services “as a friend”, and I assume that he can express his gratitude in some way which is legal but only shows up in petty cash? Although, I think the weekly testing would be an interesting experiment, as long as his business paid for it.

  6. Lynn Clark says:

    If you aren’t watching the weekly Viva-Barnes legal discussion of current events on Sunday night (or later on rumble.com), you should. In the September 12 edition they talk a lot about the legal issues surrounding the Covid vaccines.
    https://rumble.com/vmeo6r-september-12-2021.html

  7. Rudolph Hucker says:

    *Includes associates classified as independent contractors”

    That sounds like the thin end of a very long wedge. Has the government deemed that all independent contractors (and self-employed) people aren’t really their own employers, they are all Deemed Employees of a bigger firm?

    That sounds very much like the rules we’ve had that in the UK for about 20 years (IR35) and it has destroyed most of the small IT contracting firms. The same rules are gradually being expanded into other sectors, like Locum Medical workers.

    The long game appears to be to drive all these pesky small businesses and self-employed people out of their own businesses. The choice becomes (a) no work or (b) work as a tiny employee in a much bigger business.

    As witnessed by all the local stores that closed down because Covid, and the general public drifts towards ordering everything they can online from a few Mega Corp.

    You have to wonder what the end-game will be. As all the Mega Corps arrange their affairs so they never make enough local profits to pay much local tax. Will we end-up with sovereign countries wondering where all their revenue has gone?

  8. Tony Hansen says:

    This line got me…
    ‘In accordance with [employer name]’s duty to provide and maintain a workplace that is free of known hazards, we are adopting this policy to safeguard the health of our employees and their families, our customers and visitors and the community at large from infectious diseases, such as COVID-19, that may be reduced by vaccinations”…
    “Free of known hazards” … but cannot fully vexxed people also be spreaders?
    “…that may be reduced by vaccinations”. Just what does ‘may’ mean? Does it mean could, does it mean should, or does it mean will?
    I wonder if imprecisely worded edicts were indeed meant to be so.

  9. jim2 says:

    Hopefully, you can work something out with him.

  10. p.g.sharrow says:

    I have but one answer……. NO !
    Just say no and call their bluff. Time to go Gault and strangle this Beast because it can’t be satiated and will continue upping the ante. In all cases the bottom line is to force people to “Volunteer” to be compliant with their illogical demands. This reminds me of pigs being herded toward the slaughterhouse. Hell no! .

  11. Tony Mckenna says:

    or because of a sincerely held religious belief….

    Over the past year, I have occasionally wondered whether it was time for the church of the holy carbon to extend its doctrines, but I thought it was perhaps too flippant a thought.

    Or perhaps a new church of the “Holy” Unpricked?

    Does anyone know which established religions are incompatible with gene therapy?

  12. E.M.Smith says:

    As main Pastor of The Church Of The Holy Carbon, I’ve been remiss in my duties due to low motivation. I’m now motivated again…

    Other churches? Christian Scientists for one.

    I think Amish has a shot at it (any tech not in the Bible… and Sin of Pridefullness in the purveyors of the jab).

    Mennonites as sort of Amish Lite… (they use phones, after all…)

    Seventh Day Adventists make it an individual thing: https://www.adventist.org/health/

    LIVING A HEALTHFUL LIFE

    THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH RECOGNIZES THE AUTONOMY OF EACH INDIVIDUAL AND HIS OR HER GOD-GIVEN POWER OF CHOICE.
    RATHER THAN MANDATING STANDARDS OF BEHAVIOR, ADVENTISTS CALL UPON ONE ANOTHER TO LIVE AS POSITIVE EXAMPLES OF GOD’S LOVE AND CARE.

    Part of that example includes taking care of our health—we believe God calls us to care for our bodies, treating them with the respect a divine creation deserves. Gluttony and excess, even of something good, can be detrimental to our health.

    Adventists believe the key to wellness lies in a life of balance and temperance. Nature creates a wealth of good things that lead to vibrant health. Pure water, fresh air and sunlight—when used appropriately—promote clean, healthy lives.

    FLCCC points out what, to me, is rather obvious. NOBODY but you can tell you what your religion must be, what to believe, not have you prove it:

    https://americasfrontlinedoctors.org/religious/

    Instructions to people interested in a religious exemption. READ CAREFULLY!

    All persons have a right to a religious exemption under USA law if they hold a “sincere religious belief.” It is incorrect that any other “proof” is necessary. No particular faith, theology, action or inaction is required. However, it must be a belief that is sincerely held by the individual.
    While in normal times, religious beliefs are not challenged, in the current climate, it is possible that should a dispute arise, perhaps between an employer and an employee, both sides might suggest evidence that supports or contradicts that.

    Here we have gathered essays on the subject of religious concerns regarding vaccines. We encourage all people to thoughtfully read through all these essays and determine if any/several sincerely apply to themselves as an individual. This is an individual exercise. We provide this because we know it is difficult to articulate and/or defend these beliefs. However, this exercise is yours alone.

    You can and/or should use this material to support your own statement of your own sincerely held religious beliefs. We have provided this material in word doc format for your convenience, however it would contradict your assertion that your belief is sincerely held if you were for example, to broadly copy and paste another person’s or entity’s beliefs. Certainly if a sentence or paragraph or reference speaks to your heart and soul, that is acceptable to copy. The authors have all given their permission and/or the statements are in the public domain.

    If you are having to assert your sincere religious belief, you must do this work on your own, using your own thoughts and own words. Those words are based upon your own contemplation and your own research and AFLDS is happy to assist you.

    In God We Trust.

    My sincerely held religious believe is that God created me whole, gave me dominion over myself, and wants me not to do stupid things with that authority. Being injected with an unproven technology (NO long term data can possibly exist…) that has already failed in the stated goal of preventing infection and transmission is a stupid thing. End of story.

  13. E.M.Smith says:

    @YMMV:

    On the line that says vaccinated, you need to scroll to the right to see that it says “Or Johnson & Johnson”… So you get a choice of them, too. (But no Russian, Chinese, UK/Europe or new vaccines).

    UPDATE: I’ve changed the formatting on those lines so that they don’t scroll off to the right on most screen sizes.

  14. YMMV says:

    “All persons have a right to a religious exemption under USA law”

    As we know from other cases, every “right” is an abstraction that tends to disappear as soon as the legalistic fine print appears and/or it goes before a committee to decide if you are really sincere enough.

    Communism at its most glorious in the intricate weaving or web of rules regulations laws to which no spider web can dare to compare. A great film from Russia illustrates this point very nicely:
    Leviathan (2014)

  15. Rudolph Hucker says:

    Dear Pastor Smith,

    Following your comment :
    “As main Pastor of The Church Of The Holy Carbon, I’ve been remiss in my duties due to low motivation. I’m now motivated again…”

    May I commend you on your diligence and faith? Also, may I recommend communication with Pastor John MacArthur (of the Grace Community Church). They have soberly celebrated their lawsuit victory against the California State for violating the church’s religious liberty during the COVID-19 pandemic.

    Or watch their YouTube video.

  16. Rudolph Hucker says:

    Just wondering, do you have to be in the same state as your employer? Could you remotely support his IT systems?

    What are the rules in the states on the way to Florida? Colorado is looking good (or better) for religious freedom.
    https://denvercatholic.org/a-letter-from-the-bishops-of-colorado-on-covid-19-vaccine-mandates/

  17. The True Nolan says:

    @EM: Not that your personal decisions need the approval of anyone here besides yourself — but I for one am VERY glad you don’t want the jab. You can always get another job, but you cannot UNDO the jab. Any action which does not have a possible “rewind button” should be a last choice.

  18. John Robertson says:

    Saw this on Small Dead Animals last week,forget who to credit,but very catchy and very.. British?
    The Mona Lisa Twins;”I bought myself a politician”.
    Made me laugh,which I think you might need right now.
    I will not serve the madness and will be keeping a list of the nastiest Gullibles.
    But I have the luxury of that choice,so far.
    The evidence grows daily,the Government Goo is not good for you.
    And this imposition of guilt onto employers is illegal and unworkable.
    Your politicians are trying to evade responsibility,once again.
    One thing guaranteed to crush the New World Order dickhead,is when nobody turns up for work.
    Cash and barter grow daily.
    As faith in the institutions evaporates.

  19. jim2 says:

    For Dershowitz, the key question for the new mandates’ constitutionality was if a U.S. president had the authority alone, by declaring an emergency, to make law and impose punishments.

    “Already we’ve had companies and states indicate they are going to file suit. This is going to be a big payday for lawyers unfortunately, but it will get the case to court right away,” he stated. “I suspect that within a month, the Supreme Court will issue a preliminary decision on whether or not a president, as distinguished in Congress, can impose a near universal mandate.”

    Since creating laws was a duty of the legislative arm of government, he believed the courts would say the president did not have the authority to mandate vaccines without the approval of Congress. Simply put, in exercising executive power to enact a universal mandate, Biden has clearly violated the Constitution.

    “Carefully done, constitutionally done,” Dershowitz stated. “I care deeply about the Constitution and the end should not justify the means.”

    https://www.oann.com/dershowitz-scotus-likely-to-rule-against-biden-vaccine-mandate/

  20. H.R. says:

    If masks worked, there’d be no need for vaccinations.

    If vaccinations worked, there’d be no need for masks.

  21. E.M.Smith says:

    @Another Ian:

    Then there’s further down:

  22. H.R. says:

    I liked the boat named “404: Fish Not Found.”

  23. another ian says:

    E.M.

    Is that “The Faucci Swastika”?

  24. H.R. says:

    It’s the Faustika, another ian.

  25. p.g.sharrow says:

    H.R. says:
    14 September 2021 at 10:18 am

    It’s the Faustika, another ian.
    LOL Thanks for that morning start. …8-)
    pg

  26. Simon Derricutt says:

    https://www.ophthalmologytimes.com/view/covid-19-vaccine-may-be-linked-to-bilateral-cornea-melting
    Maybe another reason to avoid the vaccination. If you can’t see, then you can’t work anyway. Probably also a risk with the disease itself, since the spike proteins seem to lead to blocking of small blood-vessels whether they’re produced by vaccine or virus.

  27. Steve C says:

    I have to go along with the general consensus here: NO. Your friend the dentist already knows that his friend is not some low-information bozo, and you say that he is personally OK with your ivermectin use, so he should understand your position even though it is hard on him. And yes, it clearly is the intention to make small businesses unviable, it’s all in “the agenda”.

    I think Rudolph Hucker has a good point too: do you need to be physically “in the building”, or could you do at least the software side from otside? – Obviously a 3D tooth printer would need physical installation, but surely he (or some “vaccinated” hired help) could put it where it needs to be and plug it into the USB port while you run the setup software sitting in your car in his car park, with a RasPi, a wifi link and an open window! Should be within the letter of the law …

    As for “where this is going”, I think we all know that, and have done since every country started marching in unison in the lockdown and mask march last year – apart from those led by the handful of leaders who “conveniently died” and were replaced with compliant drones. We are NOT dealing with our local administrations here, and we need as much non-compliance as we can muster in every situation in every country. We’ve already seen Moscow and France refusing to patronise businesses which demand “vaccine passports” – blatantly picnicing outside “compliant” restaurants etc, and it’s time for worldwide non-violent resistance in the spirit of wearehumanwearefree.org if we are to retain any human dignity and freedom.

  28. YMMV says:

    “we need as much non-compliance as we can muster in every situation in every country”

    That’s one strategy. IF you could get that, would it work? About half of the masses are with the all powerful State and are in panic, and many of the rest would rather not get involved. France has this kind of experience, but even so, I think it is doomed to failure.

    Another strategy would be to replace the incompetent powerful people with reasonable people. Starting with Fauci. Bureaucracy is the problem. Also known as The Swamp. Deep State is the result.

    I thought this exposé on Fauci during his AIDS years was excellent. You only have to watch the first half of the video because the second half is a panel discussion dominated by one guy (to be polite I will just call him a dick) and so the rest is unwatchable. Kim Iversen is great.
    “Kim Iversen: Is Fauci’s Botched Handling Of The AIDS Epidemic Being Repeated?”

  29. cdquarles says:

    The answer to the question about Fauci repeating his AIDS stuff, is yes. It was political then and it is political now.

  30. Steve C says:

    @YMMV – Agreed re the ‘percentage problem’: I still see a horrifyingly high number of people in facemasks every time I go out, and ‘can’t be arsed’ is always the easy solution for too many people. I’d like to hope that the prospect of having their kids force-“vaccinated” might kick one or two of the CBAs into life.

    It would indeed be good to replace the incompetent powerful people with reasonable people, but of course that approach runs up against the fact that it is the incompetent (or just “elite”-bought) who are the ones running the system. They’d be allowing themselves, or their colleagues, to be replaced, which, let’s face it, isn’t likely to happen.

    I also worry about Reiner Fuellmich and his ‘second Nuremberg’ for the Covid Crew, much as I admire his attempt. But the first Nuremberg was not a fair trial – it was just TPTB making a display of apparently dealing with the losing side of their WWII show pour encourager les autres. What Fuellmich is proposing amounts to a genuine, fair trial of TPTB’s own actors by a disinterested authority answerable to ‘us the people’. But there is no such disinterested authority, only TPTB actors. I honestly wonder whether he stands a snowball’s chance in Hell.

  31. cdquarles says:

    Oh, hat tip William M. Briggs; for that’s where I saw the link.

  32. cdquarles says:

    One comment on a statement in that link. I can see where people think you’d perpetually produce the spike protein from the mRNA vaccine; but they’d need to show how the vaccine’s mRNA wouldn’t be promptly degraded by endonucleases throughout the body and be able to be perpetually produced. It is one thing for the mRNA containing particles to be circulated beyond the injection site. It is another thing to say that mRNA, which has a one way translation function for protein production, to be reverse transcribed into normal RNA and then have that transcribed into DNA which gets inserted into the nucleus. That said, we do know that DNA viruses such as herpes viruses do have their DNA incorporated into a person’s DNA upon infection.

  33. Simon Derricutt says:

    CDQ – your link to Colleen Huber answers EM’s question on whether Ivermectin will negate the vaccine’s effects.
    “The spike proteins that are generated by the mRNA COVID vaccines are said to be identical to those attached to SARS-CoV-2. [27] The spike protein in SARS-CoV-2 is a trimeric, or three-part protein, composed of two functional S1 subunits, as well as a structural S2 subunit. Each of those three units are, incidentally, bound and inactivated by the drug ivermectin. ”
    Thus a prophylactic dose of Ivermectin, maybe continued as long as the mRNA is expected to remain active (a week or so?), should remove any of the spike proteins that are produced. Thus apart from the other stuff in the vaccine, it may be possible to avoid problems from the spikes.

    Could this be a reason why Ivermectin is being banned?

    Of course, I’m not sure of this. The logic seems good, though.

  34. Rudolph Hucker says:

    Regarding Pfizer, has this been mentioned?

    “Information security expert on revealed Pfizer agreements: ‘There’s good reason Pfizer fought to hide the details of these contracts’ ”
    https://americasfrontlinedoctors.org/frontlinenews/information-security-expert-on-revealed-pfizer-agreements-theres-good-reason-pfizer-fought-to-hide-the-details-of-these-contracts/

    Meanwhile, a song of hope.

  35. H.R. says:

    I went to Tractor Supply today to get a pond heater for the coming Winter. You need a small opening in the ice so the waste gases, primarily ammonia, don’t build up.

    I’ve been thinking Ivermectin could become scarce or banned in some places, so I was going to pick up another 250 ml bottle of it. Sold out!! When I said I wasn’t surprised to the lady getting the case unlocked (they have high dollar, small package meds like that in a locked display case), said people have been coming in and buying it up for their own use. ‘Twarn’t sheep ranchers 😜

    They had two of the 1 liter containers left, so I bought one of those @ $50. Supply will catch up with the spike in demand at some point. But for now, it seems like there is a consumer run on the practical-for-humans 250 ml bottle. It’s still only $21 or $22 dollars. Tractor Supply has not been price gouging. They could, you know.

  36. AC Osborn says:

    Simon Derricutt says: 14 September 2021 at 2:54 pm

    Unfortunately your link leads to a blank page.

  37. Simon Derricutt says:

    ACO – I tried it from here (France) on the netbook and it comes up OK here. No idea why you can’t see it.

  38. another ian says:

    “VOLDERMECTIN – 1the medicine who cannot be named”

    Via a comment at No Nova

  39. another ian says:

    ACO/SD That link works in Oz

  40. Steve C says:

    Simon’s link comes up just fine here in the UK, too.

    And Rudolph (8:35 pm) – Eye-watering stuff. Pfizer Uber Alles indeed. In a rational world, we’d have a strong case against our national governments for signing such agreements trashing our laws.

  41. Rudolph Hucker says:

    @E.M.Smith
    Do these states join-up enough to give you “safe passage”?

    “Governors Immediately Push Back On ‘Unconstitutional’ Biden Plan: ‘Will Fight Them To The Gates Of Hell’
    “Governors vowing to stop this include the Governor of Florida, Texas, Mississipi, Georgia, South Dakota, South Carolina, Arizona, Askansas, Iowa, Montana, Oklahoma, Missouri, and the list grows… Wyoming, Tenessee, Alaska,…”

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/governors-immediately-push-back-on-unconstitutional-biden-plan-will-fight-them-to-the-gates-of-hell?itm_source=parsely-api?utm_source=cnemail&utm_medium=email&utm_content=091021-news&utm_campaign=position1

  42. E.M.Smith says:

    @Rudolf:

    Pretty much once past New Mexico, nobody will care. New Mexico has pockets of urban Karen & Ken Kontrol Freaks (Albuquerque has “lawn police” who measure the size of your lawn and write tickets for too much grass…) largely, IMHO, due to the high percentage of Federally Funded Jobs.

    Arizona is somewhat better, but around Phoenix goes a little BSC (Bat Shit Crazy) with a forest of automated ticket dispensing traffic cameras on the freeways.

    Inside California, I have zero issues as it is “my home State” (per the rules). Inside Florida I am golden as it is “My new State”. In Texas (1/3 of the trip, BTW…) I am Golden as, well, it’s Texas ;-)

    That leave Az / NM on the west side, and Louisiana, Miss., Alabama as the bridge into Florida.

    Well, New Mexico is about 100 miles, maybe 200, of nearly nothing. The border with Texas is incredibly porous with roads all over the part connected to the Pan Handle, and I’m pretty sure I’ve got enough choices from Az in to NM to not care either. California to Az has a bundle of roads, but the hard bit is crossing the Colorado River. I’m thinking there a place I can cross that looks good though. (But I’d have to pass over a dirt / gravel road though a “proving grounds” … and looks like a 4×4 would be desired… public road but with “advisory” to not leave it…) But if Az says “not going to comply” it would be easier.

    Once IN Az, I’ve got a very nice route and they ought not care anyway.

    Back at La, Miss. Al…. We’re into flat land square grid country in a lot of this, once over the Big Muddy, and you can do that inside La, so no checks. Mississippi saying “nogo” makes it easy, to, as, IIRC, it’s about 80 miles of Alabama and more back roads than rum runners left anymore.

    In short, the list of States makes it easier, but not a clear shot; but I’ve got enough cow trails picked out I’m thinking it won’t be a problem ;-)

  43. Terry Jackson says:

    @ H.R.
    You got a deal, 4x the volume of product at only twice the price. Saw the same thing in southern Utah a few weeks back, larger volume only, small stuff all gone. At 10 ml per week, you got a 2 year supply. That gets you thru the next election.

  44. David A says:

    Simon, interesting thought process. If the yahoo’s in charge who
    * Ivermectin – Safe and effective. Proven in numerous third world countries as an effective covid killer. – CENSORED
    * Hydroxychloroquine – Effective at early stage COVID and as a preventative. Used worldwide for the off label use of fighting arthritis.  – CENSORED
    * Various vitamin regimens (including zinc) – CENSORED
    * Use of steroids and anti-inflammatory to treat bad cases – CENSORED
    Approved treatments:
    * Remdimsivere – Causes slow heart rate and kidney failure in up to 10% of patients. – PROMOTED.
    * Ventilators – Statistically more likely to kill you than not being on it – PROMOTED
    * Not allowing you visitors while you waste away in a hospital without a valid treatment – PROMOTED
    * The most deadly vaccines created in history. Vaccinating groups that have a higher risk of dying from myocarditis from the vaccine than from the actual disease – PROMOTED
    GAVE Congress judges postal workers exempt from vaccine mandate.
    IGNORED Stringer broader more effective natural immunity, wasting fifty plus million vaccines and endangering those people for zero reason.
    FOUGHT AGAINST limiting flights from China.

    If those above yahoo’s ACTUALLY want population reduction they want to A – promote the virus. ( Actions are louder then words)
    B, stop the use of anything that can protect folk from vaccine induced adverse effects.

  45. another ian says:

    Dr Tess Lawrie on IVM

  46. H.R. says:

    @Terry – E.M. mentioned a month or two ago that he picked up the 1 liter size. I can’t recall if he just decided on that size or if the 250 ml were unavailable.

    I just told the tale because it is encouraging to me. It seems the word is getting around about Ivermectin, despite the efforts of the YSM to bury it and ‘official’ sources trashing it or spreading outright lies about it.

    Oh, I asked the lady at Tractor Supply if she knew about Japan approving Ivermectin for prevention and treatment. She had not heard about it.

    We need to bring that up here and there so that bit of information starts getting spread around. It’ll take off after a while.

  47. another ian says:

    She does mention IVM as a “mop up ” for injections towards the end

  48. David A says:

    From an Israeli journal…
    “ In this slide the definition of “vaccinated” is the person who received two doses and seven days passed since the second dose. People who died from corona or from the vaccine itself in the period between the first dose and up to 7 days after the second dose are not counted at all. Also, those who recovered and had one dose are not counted at all.
    These are not a few at all and here is the place to mention that we proved with Dr. Hervé Seligmann that between the first and second dose and another week the injected will die from corona 20 to 40 times more than the unvaccinated at that time and even a worse ratio for young people. See Dr. Hervé Seligmann summarizing our findings in this regard: “
    http://www.nakim.org/israel-forums/viewtopic.php?t=270982

    The idea being the jab weakens your overall immune system. However I have seen documentation of that kind of mortality in the recently jabbed, but not yet vaccinated.

    So many adverse events reports occurring now, people speaking up. It appears logical that a large segment of unvaccinated in the US will make hiding adverse events very difficult.

  49. David A says:

    Typo, should read
    “ However I have NOT seen documentation of that kind of mortality in the recently jabbed, but not yet vaccinated.

  50. YMMV says:

    another ian: “Dr Tess Lawrie on IVM”

    Here is the Tess Lawrie scientific paper to go along with that video.
    https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/Fulltext/2021/08000/Ivermectin_for_Prevention_and_Treatment_of.7.aspx

  51. AC Osborn says:

    another ian says: 14 September 2021 at 9:10 pm
    “ACO/SD That link works in Oz”

    It is blank in Firefox and OK in Brave, odd behavoir.

  52. philjourdan says:

    @MES – for your trip – ditch the ID,. If stopped, claim you are an illegal alien. They get free passes.

  53. Pinroot says:

    I suppose all in all I’m in a pretty good place. My job is ending Oct 29th (shipping it to Mexico) and I’ll have just turned 66, so might as well retire. Unless a vax becomes mandatory for collecting Medicare and Social Security, I don’t have to worry about what I’ll do it if the vax is required for my job, since the job is going away. If they do manage to make it mandatory for day to day stuff, I’ll look into slipping someone sufficient funds to say I’ve had the shot. Everybody has their price.

    Re: Ivermectin – I bought a 1 liter bottle from Amazon a while back, and later got 6 tubes of the paste. I’m glad I acted when I did; the paste is sold out on Amazon, and if you can find it, it’s way too expensive. I haven’t checked locally to see if anyone is carrying it, but I did see a notice someone posted saying that a store in their area would not sell it unless you could prove you owned a horse.

    Pfizer is working on a daily pill to go along with their shots, and it works as a protease inhibitor, just like ivermectin. See here: https://citizenfreepress.com/column-3/pfizers-new-pill-to-fight-covid-utilizes-a-protease-inhibitor-ivermectin-is-also-a-protease-inhibitor/
    Some are calling it Pfizermectin. So it’s in Pfizer’s best interest to demonize ivermectin until they can get something to market, which will be much more expensive than ivermectin, while doing basically the same thing. Demonizing anything that works is also necessary to keep the EUA going for the vax makers, because the EUA is based on the idea that there are no treatments available, just the experimental shots.

  54. The True Nolan says:

    @Pinroot: RE Ivermectin, anyone who wants a veterinary version might do well to take a long drive out into the country, someplace the more rural the better. Make it a one day holiday drive, enjoy the countryside. Check for Feed&Seed shops or even better, local Co-Op stores. It has been about two weeks since I went to the Co-Op, but they still had 5 liter jugs for $79 — although the shelf is definitely looking more bare than it did last year. The 250ml bottles go quickly.

  55. another ian says:

    ACO

    Re “ACO/SD That link works in Oz””

    That was with Brave

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