W.O.O.D. – 19 May 2022

Intro

This is another of the W.O.O.D. series of semi-regular
Weekly Occasional Open Discussions.
(i.e. if I forget and skip one, no big)

Immediate prior one here:

https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2022/04/30/w-o-o-d-30-april-2022/
and remains open for threads running there (at least until the ‘several month’ auto-close of comments on stale threads).

Canonical list of old ones here:
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/category/w-o-o-d/

“Me” News

The House Hunt is ongoing, so expect things to be terse a while longer.

We’re likely going to rent for a while and work on buying “later”, just to get the move finished.

I need more boat time ;-)

FWIW, I’ve had 2 “Australian Friday” dinners that I’ve not gotten posted. Had the lamb & wine, but didn’t get the posting done. I’ll see if I can catch that up some.

There’s been a “Recall” on the ML class for a rust issue in the brakes assembly. (Up in the vacuum / master cylinder assembly). It only happens in high humidity / rust areas, so having a California Car I’m not worried, but it still may delay the coast-to-coast hauling operation as I need to run it through the dealer for “approval”… Only those with evident rust get repair parts in the first round, so mostly I expect it to be “You’re good” for a few years. Mix that with crazy Diesel prices, I may just be renting a giant gas truck to move the stuff… once we have a destination.

The upshot of all this is that posting is getting squashed as my time is scattered and I’m mostly working on a tablet that is “user hostile” for fast typing.

WatchMaga

This will be DIY for a while as editing HTML and urls is a Royal Pita on the Tablet.

News

Also will be terse.

Biden has announced the new Ministry Of Truth (in the Dept. of Homeland Security) is now “on hold”, so “Watch This Space” for a Return Of The Zombie Ministry as soon as they think nobody is watching anymore.

Ukraine is WINNING! and surrendering in Azovstal. Nobody really knows what’s actually happening on the ground. Rumors are going around that Russia may just “declare it is a war after all” so so they can use all their toys and be done.

Sweden has formally applied for NATO. Turkey is saying “Give me Brib-O Goodies or you don’t get in”. Putin is eyeing Finland as potential St. Petersburg West… and Finland is just certain that signing a bit of paper will stop the Nasty Russians. When in reality it is lighting the match.

Biden & Co is busy destroying the USA via collapse of infrastructure and runaway fuel prices, but that’s not news.

We had some primaries and MAGA folks won some of them. Details? Sorry no time for details. Anyone who’s keeping up on this can bring clarity… I do note that Dr. Oz may or may not have won his near tie… so back to endless counting of mail in ballots.

And, finally: June 1 is the official start of Hurricane Season (I think…). This will be fun to watch from “on the front lines” ;-) BUT: It may bring a bit of disruption as I may end up posting from my cell phone hot spot via a tablet in “God Only Knows” where… Hurricane Plan: Sit down, strap in, hang on, and pray. Post during the eye… ;-)

For more recent events, see:

Trump Social Media site:

https://gettr.com/

Bongino Report:

https://bonginoreport.com/

Or Whatfinger:

https://generaldispatch.whatfinger.com/

I’ve also gotten addicted to the Top Ten Memes of the week from WatchMAGA here:

https://rumble.com/c/c-285381

They have interesting “bite” to them, along with a tendency to highlight the news of the week in memes, so good as a social attitude pointer too. Plus they are “way fun” ;-)

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A technical managerial sort interested in things from Stonehenge to computer science. My present "hot buttons' are the mythology of Climate Change and ancient metrology; but things change...
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248 Responses to W.O.O.D. – 19 May 2022

  1. Jon K says:

    Jim2,
    I know you’ve been looking at excess mortality. What do you make of this?

    I don’t have time for the dive myself, and I’m not trying to assign you work lol. Just wanted your take on it.

  2. YMMV says:

    “Sweden has formally applied for NATO.”
    Sweden should know better not to poke the bear.
    The way I see it, nothing make senses unless the bottom line is: The US will protect us.
    The US should get out of NATO.

    Norway announced that it will defend Sweden if it is attacked.
    Finland has signed the application for NATO membership.
    “On 11 May 2022, Boris Johnson signed a mutual security deal with Finland, the pact meaning that both the United Kingdom and Finland are to assist one another in time of crisis.”

    Boris has turned out to be the biggest hawk, after Zelenskyy, Biden, and Hillary

  3. E.M.Smith says:

    @YMMV:

    Boris & the British Elite know their history. They know such interlocking mutual defense pacts have escalated local conflicts into world wars. Especially W.W.I where one assassination rapidly advanced to world war as one domino after the other had mutual defense treaties suck them in.

    Given that, I can only assume that result is the goal.

    But why?

    Population destruction? Thinking they will make a lot of war money? Some fantasy they can take down Russia? China told their puppets to do it? All of the above?

    To me, it looks like nobody is following the path of quiet diplomacy and peace through mutual understanding. Want to neutralize the Russian Threat? Stop pissing in their beer, invite them into the NATO mutual defence arrangement (even if not a NATO Member) with the same “anyone attacks you, we all move to stop it” rule. Open free and full trade. You will have a border like the USA / Canada one in no time. Remember that Canada and the USA did have some border wars long ago…

    But instead it is all villify, exert pain, extract teeth, and piss on them. Then wonder why they suspect you are not their friend… and act accodingly.

    I can only assume “this behaviour is by design” and in full awareness of history and W.W.I cascade failure. Which leads to the conclusion that the Euro-GEBs want a war with Russia. (I’m still willing to postulate that American GEBs know no history prior to the Clintons. Yes, that dumb.)

  4. jim2 says:

    @Jon K . Like most data-centric things, one would have to know how the data was complied, processed, classified, etc. That said, looks like the 18-29 yr cohort vaccinations peaked in April 21. So, it could have been the vaccinations.

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7025e1.htm

  5. E.M.Smith says:

    @Jon K.:

    That Sri Lanka news ought to serve as warning to Gang Green & the EU that going all in on decarbonizing / not having fossil fuels and elimination synthetic fertilizers (especially too rapidly) will have dire results… including for them.

    Then the use of goons to attack the folks peacefully protesting resulted in massive blowback. In my opinion, the USA is headed to a similar reaction, but with folks “bearing arms” and not just matchbooks. The flat out persecution of Jan 6 folks with denial if their constitutional rights, for political effect, will not be forgotten. Anyone thinking of a new protest will no longer think “violence gets me arrested but disobedience is OK.” The calculus has shifted to “IF my voice is heard, I will be persecuted and perhaps murdered; but IF I just burn it all down in anonymity, I win free.” I think we’re seeing that play out in the burning of the houses of the Elite in Sri Lanka….

    It is a model of what the WEF / GEBs / Gang Green plans and actions will bring.

    Note to self: Check disaster prep for fire extinguishers… and sufficient matches or the emergency “BBQ”. Check each car has enough road flares….

  6. E.M.Smith says:

    Oh, and just in time for Covid expiring as the Fear Porn du Jour:

    MONKEY POX!

    https://thewashingtonstandard.com/smallpox-like-disease-now-spreading-to-spain-portugal-the-us/

    Yes folks, just another little jab….. I’m starting to think that whole biblical “pestilence” bit needs a reread…

  7. Ossqss says:

    Statistics can be good tools sometimes. On the mortality item above, they are using data from life insurance claims. Roughly 52% of Americans have life insurance, so in this case 48% of the data is missing.

    https://www.policygenius.com/life-insurance/life-insurance-statistics/

  8. Ossqss says:

    Interesting take on the paper that came out last month that nobody saw. The study is linked in his write up.

    https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/urgent-the-most-powerful-evidence?s=r

    Here is the study if you don’t want to read Berenson.

    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.04.18.22271936v1.full

  9. another ian says:

    “Imagine the Unimaginable”

    https://amgreatness.com/2022/05/11/imagine-the-unimaginable/

    Via

    https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2022/05/quote-of-day-when-revolutionaries.html

    BTW Bayou Renaissanceman is now on “moderation flag” at Jo Nova and SDA, both using WordPress

  10. another ian says:

    “Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS) – is this the cause?”

    https://www.jpost.com/health-and-wellness/pregnancy-and-birth/article-706598

    Also via Bayou Renaissanceman

  11. philemon says:

    https://unlimitedhangout.com/2022/05/investigative-reports/barbara-marx-hubbard-godmother-of-transhumanism-and-synthetic-spirituality/

    Synopsis: A fool and his money are soon parted. They are high on their own supply and paying charlatans to fool them some more.

    This level of philosophical and epistemological drivel on display would be breathtaking if one had never had to grade sophomore philosophy papers.

    Honestly, the “argument” seems to be that people will all think the same if they get to “share” some fake heart-beat experience together. Aside from the biological/medical problems involved, how many will die of heart failure? The idea that people think with their heart beats is cray-cray.

  12. another ian says:

    Interestingier

    “What Is REALLY Going On With Musk?”

    https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=245903

  13. jim2 says:

    One thing that nags me about the insurance data, other than I can’t be sure it’s the real deal, concerns COVID and the vaccines. They both have a spike protein in common. The vaccine spikes aren’t identical to the COVID ones and the COVID strains’ spikes aren’t identical to each other. It is know that youths can get COVID and not even know it. So the spikes from that infection should cause the same sort of issues with the heart, etc. and the vaccine spikes. That makes sorting out cause and effect a bit of a chore.

  14. jim2 says:

    Just as he predicted, they come for Elon!

    A SpaceX flight attendant said Elon Musk exposed himself and propositioned her for sex, documents show. The company paid $250,000 for her silence.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/spacex-paid-250000-to-a-flight-attendant-who-accused-elon-musk-of-sexual-misconduct-2022-5

  15. jim2 says:

    The Dimowits are desperate and dangerous to Democracy, as well as our Republic.

    Madison Cawthorn foes who published a damaging nude video launch campaign to ‘fire’ Lauren Boebert

    https://www.businessinsider.com/lauren-boebert-pnext-on-madison-cawthorn-foes-hit-list-2022-5

  16. another ian says:

    “Your country’s in the very best of hands”?

    “Simply Epic, During Senate Energy Committee Hearing, Interior Secretary Haaland Questioned About Real Time Press Release Shutting Down Oil and Gas Exploration, The Secretary Has No Idea
    May 19, 2022 | Sundance | 174 Comments
    ~ The Great Pretense of Biden ~ ”

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/05/19/epic-simply-epic-during-senate-energy-committee-hearing-interior-secretary-haaland-questioned-about-real-time-press-release-shutting-down-oil-and-gas-exploration-the-secretary-has-no-idea/

  17. another ian says:

    E.M.

    I’ve just watched a pretty elaborate longer range forecast which seems to have a reasonable track record.

    For your watch on the world food situation it punts on a continuation of la Nina so we in Oz could be reasonable wrt rainfall BUT the North American and European grain areas are likely to be dry

  18. another ian says:

    E.M. – look what you’re missing out on!

    “Y2Kyoto: State Of Anorexia Envirosa”

    “California to spend $5.2 billion on “electricity reserve” to – -”

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2022/05/20/y2kyoto-state-of-anorexia-envirosa-14/

    Comment

    “That is enough to buy every person in California 509 AA batteries on Amazon”

    I’d say applicable to Oz too

  19. Ed Forbes says:

    Russia is changing to a more mobile assault and bypassing towns instead of directly assaulting them. Looks like Putin has fired a bunch of high officers as incompetent.
    Interesting take on this
    View at Medium.com

  20. jim2 says:

    Scientists at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) are collaborating with the Massachusetts Department of Public Health to investigate a situation in which a U.S. resident tested positive for monkeypox on May 18 after returning to the U.S. from Canada.

    CDC is also tracking multiple clusters of monkeypox that have been reported in early- to mid-May in several countries that don’t normally report monkeypox, including in Europe and North America.

    It’s not clear how people in those clusters were exposed to monkeypox but cases include people who self-identify as men who have sex with men. CDC is urging healthcare providers in the U.S. to be alert for patients who have rash illnesses consistent with monkeypox, regardless of whether they have travel or specific risk factors for monkeypox and regardless of gender or sexual orientation.

    https://www.cdc.gov/poxvirus/monkeypox/outbreak/us-outbreaks.html

  21. H.R. says:

    The U.S. and other Western countries will be no different than Sri Lanka when pot boils over. Worse maybe in the U.S., because U.S. residents will be armed. Try as they might, the PTB will never be able to confiscate all firearms.

    Thanks to the internet, millions of people know who is responsible for the shortages of food, necessities, and energy. Some aren’t paying attention at the moment, but when the severe times hit, they will ask questions and will get clue in a hurry from those who were paying attention.

    Then there is the baseload of 20% useful idiots who will never believe their ‘dear leaders’ could ever do any wrong. Those 20% will get trampled in the rush by the 80% hellbent on taking care of business.

    As shown in Sri Lanka and the Eastern Bloc countries in the past, it’s a numbers game.

  22. E.M.Smith says:

    Don’t know if it is “just me”, or just the local cell service, or something broader, but I have extremely slow load times ATM with lots of failure to load, from sites all over the world.

    I suspect the local cell service as spouse is having trouble with her hot spot on a different carrier too.

    Hopefully everyone else is going fast / normally.

  23. E.M.Smith says:

    @Another Ian;

    I make that about $133 / person, or
    enough to buy each one a mediocre car battery. Call it 100 amp hours to be generous. Or about one kW-hr. That’s about 20 ¢ of electricity at California lifeline rates.

    It would be far more effective to just have folks buy an inverter to plug into their car. Or just build more gas turbine capacity…

    Odd. DDGo worked but this comment failed a dozen plus times so far..

  24. Simon Derricutt says:

    EM – I had a problem of the net here running slow for a while. Blamed it on the ISP, but testing with pings on the router gave quite a few lost. I traced it down to a power-supply failure on a wireless router that is only used by my mum’s flat that is currently unoccupied, so no-one was complaining that their system was down. One bad node on an Ethernet network can mess up the whole thing. Could be worth a few pings to see how the local network is reacting.
    Grandmother, here’s how you suck eggs…. Still, maybe it’s an unexpected local failure.

  25. Jon K says:

    re monkeypox:
    Check out page 12 of this pdf…

    Click to access NTI_Paper_BIO-TTX_Final.pdf

  26. Ossqss says:

    As with any connected device, including modems and routers, sometimes a reboot can cure things. In particular with cell-based connections, syncing back into the service has helped me many times. Also, don’t forget there are high and low priority connections by user profile into a cell system. If you are a low priority, you get the boot or throttle first. I declined the high priority plan from Verizon and feel that pain sometimes when the network is loaded with tourists here.

  27. Ossqss says:

    Oh, and even with unlimited plans on cell, once you exceed their predefined Gb usage (I think mine is 20 gig), you will get throttled no matter your priority.

  28. E.M.Smith says:

    Well, I re-loaded the “other” hotspot service with some $$$ and it is going great guns. So not me nor my gear.

    Verizon is saying “data connection not available” on 2 devices. Walmart plan is spotty with lots of slow pages and fail to load. But the dedicated hotspot is going fine.

    My read on it is that QOS settings are squeezing data users (on cell phone plans) due to high loads, but a dedicated hot spot has a Quality Of Service setting that says data is important as it is the only service it provides.

    Both Walmart and my hotspot run over the same T-Mobile underlaying network, so it isn’t their hardware being a problem.

  29. philemon says:

    “For the snark was a boojum, you see”: https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=245912

    Well, what did you expect with people like Fauci and his wife in charge?

    https://dailycaller.com/2021/10/05/antony-fauci-niaid-white-coat-waste-anima-experiment-abuse/

  30. philemon says:

    Hey, is anybody else having any issues with substack?

  31. YMMV says:

    Jon K: “Check out page 12 of this pdf…”

    from page 8:

    Developed in consultation with technical and policy experts, the exercise scenario portrayed a deadly, global pandemic involving an unusual strain of monkeypox virus that first emerges in the fictional country of Brinia and eventually spreads globally. Later in the exercise, the scenario reveals that the initial outbreak was caused by a terrorist attack using a pathogen engineered in a laboratory with inadequate biosafety and biosecurity provisions and weak oversight. The exercise scenario concludes with more than three billion cases and 270 million fatalities globally.

    That was March 2021. I’m trying to remember if I had ever heard anything about monkeypox before last week. Smallpox, cowpox, but no monkeypox. But now it’s here.

    Page 10, Figure 1. That monkeypox terrorist attack is May 15, 2022. Right on schedule.
    Now that’s what I call an impressive model.

    Page 14, Finding 1:
    “The international community needs a more robust, transparent detection, evaluation, and early warning system that can rapidly communicate actionable warnings about pandemic risks.”

    Don’t worry, Bill Gates is on the case! On it or in on it. Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation was one of the participants in that “fictional” scenario.

    So the FDA approved a monkeypox vaccine in 2019 and bought a huge stockpile.
    Is that foresight … or what?

    Aside: those of us who have had the smallpox vaccine (no longer in use) may be protected already.

  32. another ian says:

    “Took The Jabs? Welcome To Hell”

    https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=245912

  33. another ian says:

    “‘ESG’ Is A Felony; Lock Up BlackRock NOW”

    https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=245911

  34. another ian says:

    “Mark Steyn: You’re poorer, can’t see a doctor and the political class is determined to double-down”

    Gives a “Harris interpretation” too

  35. Taz says:

    @E.M.Smith Cell problems

    Try this. I haven’t seen any carrier (yet) which will throttle you.

    Just setup your hotspot with a VPN gateway. It will effectively fool the traffic cop cellsite “bearer”. Zillion tools out there to do this. One of the easiest to setup is Connectify. Same company offers channel bonding to multiple internet sources. Their full version isn’t cheap, but they make a product “Edgewise” which bonds your LTE radio to your wifi. It really works…have used it for years to run all our cellphones on two cell carriers simultaneously (VOIP). At present using AT&T and Tmobile…but have used other carriers. AT&T is probably the best carrier to have for Florida as they are the Firstnet provider. So they have diesel generators at all sites and competent repair crews. Tmobile’s Band 72 is the refarmed UHF TV channels…the range advantage is significant even if it can’t handle as much data.

    Few hurricanes back, Verizon was ridiculed unmercifully in Florida due to their totally incompetent service restoration. Be careful with them.

    Those Connectify dudes are weird and so is the company’s history. Their seed money was traceable to the CIA. What this does to your security is unknown :) Linux has something similar, but I was too lazy. Edgewise gives a lot of bang for the buck. Regular Sim + your hotspot. We use 15 day lithium batteries to power ours. Once you get in the habit of swapping them – it’s easy. That Tmobile Coolpad Surf (?) is a very efficient hotspot with a hidden 5.8ghz radio. Uses a Qualcomm chip meant for industrial users. Quite sensitive.

    Another thing for Florida disaster thrill seekers: https://satpaq.com/ Do this correctly, you can provide satellite service to your home and vehicles for $55/yr. Best 911 on the planet. All text through an obsolete geosynchronous satellite.

  36. another ian says:

    “Elongate”

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2022/05/20/elongate/

    In comments

    “Elon’s take on “Elongate” …

    He’s also requested the complainant address the issue of his identifying scars in the genital area…

    and of course there’s been no response as of yet.”

    Adds a new line to “Discovery”

  37. another ian says:

    For the movie buffs here

    “The most historically accurate movie sword fight?”

    https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2022/05/the-most-historically-accurate-movie.html

    This bloke sure draws the moderating crabs at SDA!

  38. another ian says:

    “Geopolymer or Natural Rocks? The Geological Truth of Sacsayhuaman, Peru | Ancient Architects”

  39. H.R. says:

    I got the garden in yesterday. The first two weeks of May, when we got home, were cold and rainy. Officially, the last guaranteed frost-free day here is the second week of May. We had a few days of warm and sunny two weeks ago, and I bought my tomato plants. The rest I’ll grow from seed.

    Anyhow, it turned cold and rainy again, so I held off on putting the plants in the ground until yesterday.

    I also put rabbit fencing around the garden this year. Since the dogs are gone, the rabbits and squirrels are having a field day in our yard. The rabbits got a few cucumber plants last year, even with the dogs. I’m sure they’d nibble down all the sprouts this year.

    Mrs. H.R. got it in her head to do container potatoes. I got a couple of 5-gallon containers and some Kennebec seed potatoes (the best! IMO) and she made those up. They should do just fine, and I think you’re supposed to get somewhere just under 3 to 4 kg of potatoes from a 5-gallon container setup.

    The koi in our pond survived the Winter, even though we were gone. The two largest ones are about 2 lbs. I am not allowed in the back yard with my ultralight fishing pole ;o)

    I’ll have a lawn this year. Like E.M., I had Darwin’s Lawn because of the dogs. I wouldn’t use fertilizer or weed killers and there was only one fairly safe and reasonably effective insect control I’d use for fleas and ticks. It was billed as safe for children and pets after rain or watering it in.

    This year, I’ve applied weed ‘n feed and will use a stronger insect control to kill off grubs and a few other nasties. I’ll fertilize some more in Summer and Fall. My longtime neighbors didn’t mind my old lawn. They all knew the why of it. But I’m sure they will appreciate that my lawn will be fitting in a little better now. Everyone else has ‘nice lawns’.

  40. another ian says:

    ““Australia Has Finally Caught the ‘Net Zero’ Bus”

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/05/22/australia-has-finally-caught-the-net-zero-bus/

    Jennifer Marohasy

  41. H.R. says:

    Monkeypox! sounds like a Milton-Bradley game. Something like Mouse Trap!

    How do I win; if I get it, or I don’t? Is there Monopoly Money involved, or do you just get points for landing on RASH or Severe ITCHING. Do you get to roll the dice again?
    😉


    On a serious note I read somewhere that those of us who had the old-school smallpox vaccine, where we got a nickel-sized scar on our shoulder, are immune and good to go.

    Has anyone heard more about that? I still have a nice pock scar from my vaccine 55 or 60-some years ago. It would be nice to know that all us ’40s, ’50s, and ’60s geezers could just thumb our noses at FauXi and the CDC and give ’em the Bronx Cheer. Phhlllbbbbltt!!!!!

    “Screw you and your Monkeypox, all you GEBs! We’re immune!”

  42. E.M.Smith says:

    @Ossqss:

    Like all things Zerohedge, it looks overhyped and breathless. But has some truth in it. Ordering is subject to oscillations. There will be excess inventory to work off.

    But it is just as likely that having been burned by stockout shortages, retailers are ok with carrying some extra inventory for a while. No need for firesale pricing. Further, with Diesel running $5.50/gallon here and $6.50 in California, new stock will be quoted with big delivery fuel surcharges.

    The result could be as they predict, or retailers might just work on raising profits via not orderjng more, not paying higher shipping, and instead metering out that inventory over time.

    @H.R.:

    In the same virus family, and yes the smallpox vaccine is protective, but not perfectly.

    More importantly, it looks like a big Gay Buggeryfest was held in the Canary Islands and that’s the common point of origin… and folks flew home to other countries then attended more gay venues making local clusters…

    So it looks like all you need do to stay safe is not swap bodily fluids with gay guys or girls who swing both ways…

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthopoxvirus

  43. Ossqss says:

    So, its Brass, not green this time?

  44. another ian says:

    “Net zero emissions a target which is ‘absolutely suicidal to try’: Alex Epstein”

    Check your VP’s contribution

  45. another ian says:

    Re the VP’s contribution there –

    In a run-off to boil a kettle of water between a portable solar panel and a traditional fire started with a primitive fire lighter like a bow drill or a flint and steel which do you think would be ready first?

  46. another ian says:

    And for metal shapers (active and would be) some on tradition of making the steel strikers

    https://www.flint-and-steel.com/about-us/our-story/

  47. p.g.sharrow says:

    Another Ian; make it a cold rainy day and you are on. 8-) I have done both. Steel strikers are too easy, as are hot sunny days. And a suitable solar panel is far too heavy to pack around just to make a cup of tea. pg.

  48. philjourdan says:

    Re: Trump endorsements – the last I saw, it was 82-3-1 (1 being Oz until it is stolen). Not particularly fond of Oz, but if Trump trusts him, he cannot be all bad.

  49. E.M.Smith says:

    @P.G. & Another Ian:

    Being of the very lazy sort, I usually have a couple of BBQ Lighters in my kit. Under a $ at Walmart . Basically a giant butane lighter. Easily lights about anything small. I also like industrial cutting torch lighters and a propane torch :-)

    I’d love to have a traditional fire steel & flint kit, but I’m too cheap to spend $40 on one… though I might make one… if I knew of a flint deposit….

  50. jim2 says:

    Here’s a ole-time flint and forged steel set for 14 bucks.

  51. jim2 says:

    Try this for flint and steel …

  52. another ian says:

    Jim2

    Neither of those two show here in Oz

  53. jim2 says:

    Try this one …

  54. jim2 says:

    Search on this, then: FIREBOX STOVE Quality Flint and Hand Forged Steel Striker

  55. another ian says:

    “A speech so good he was sacked: HSBC head says investors don’t need to worry about “Climate Risk” ”

    https://joannenova.com.au/2022/05/a-speech-so-good-he-was-sacked-hsbc-head-says-investors-dont-need-to-worry-about-climate-risk/

  56. another ian says:

    “Miracle: Pfizer Announces They Just So Happened To Finish Monkeypox Vaccine Yesterday”

    https://babylonbee.com/news/incredible-pfizer-announces-they-just-finished-monkeypox-vaccine-yesterday

  57. philemon says:

    @H.R. says: “On a serious note I read somewhere that those of us who had the old-school smallpox vaccine, where we got a nickel-sized scar on our shoulder, are immune and good to go.”

    Pretty much. Or if you’ve had cow pox or camel pox.

    Plus, monkeypox is pretty much easily treated and not life-threatening.

    Malone has a good write-up on it here:

    https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/monkey-pox

    There have been monkeypox outbreaks before. In some places it’s endemic. In short, no biggie.

  58. another ian says:

    More monkey pox – FWIW

    After some sleuthing the LHS one originates here by the look of it

    https://www.thehealthsite.com/diseases-conditions/rare-monkeypox-cases-reported-from-us-first-time-in-nearly-20-years-all-you-need-to-know-about-it-826374/

    And RHS here by the look of it – photo and text match but not the layout

    https://www.health.qld.gov.au/news-events/news/what-is-shingles-with-pictures

  59. Ossqss says:

    @Jim2, I don’t remember the show, but a guy used his urine in a Ziplock bag and was able to start a fire with it. Unreal, LOL

  60. H.R. says:

    Hey! I got the shingles vaccine as soon as they would give it to me. I think that was a age 60 or so.

    I’ve known too many people who suffered with shingles, my dad for one. They all say it’s miserable.

    What with having the smallpox vaccine, the shingles vaccine, and keeping my immune system in good shape, I think monkeypox is a non-starter for me.

    I’m putting Monkeypox in the “Watch for entertainment only when really bored.”

  61. jim2 says:

    Ossqss – I think one of those was Bear Grylls, and I think I remember one other survivalist type do it that way.

  62. E.M.Smith says:

    @H.R.:

    And remember not to go to Buggery Festivals in or near Africa and stay out of the Buggery Bath Houses for a while….

    It pretty much requires a lot of “wet contact” for transmission. With a very low R0, that alone ought to have it end rapidly, and for most of us be a zero risk anyway.

    Basically, avoid the wet “jab” and no need for the sharp jab…

  63. another ian says:

    After a Canadian storm

    “A million dollars worth of Teslas with nowhere to go”

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTZL_oiXwAAf1bE?format=jpg&name=small

    Via https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FTZL_oiXwAAf1bE?format=jpg&name=small

  64. jim2 says:

    I know MS isn’t popular, but they do a lot for companies and developers. Below is a link to the MS Build event keynote. It is a review of new features for dev teams and regular users. Some of it, like the distributed computing platform that uses smart phones, desktop computers, and cloud services to create a high performance computing platform – is a little scary. Anyway, if you are interested …

    https://www.onmsft.com/news/watch-build-2022-keynote-right-here

  65. jim2 says:

    The keynote begins around 3:45 or so.

  66. E.M.Smith says:

    Well that’s not good…

    https://www.sgtreport.com/2022/05/breaking-davos-is-rolling-out-the-takeover-2/

    Davos designs, WEF Creatures & W.H.O. knkws what horrors to come

  67. E.M.Smith says:

    @Jim2:

    Distributed Computing has been around for over 40 years. SETI screensaver is one example.

    I made my first Beowulf cluster about 1990 something.

    Microsoft takes existing tech, perverts standards for it, overcharges for bug ridden poorly crafted software, then sues folks who refuse to go along. Yes, lots of companies use their products to conduct business. Doesn’t make them good folks nor does it make them a moral company nor does it patch bugs. Just an aggressive bully with a penchant for power and dominance via a fat wallet. Typical monopolistic failure modes. Buy up competitors (often resulting in product quality declines). Get control of standards boards (often via money “donations”) to block standards that threaten their dominance and promote alternatives to their liking. Set contract terms damaging to the customers. How many decades of low security virus friendly bug filled software now? (There are much less buggy and much more secure operating systems…)

    It happens with most companies who financially dominate their sectors. You see it now in Red Hat Linux with SystemD. Introduced a lot of bugs, a huge attack surface for hackers, and reduced product quality. But what a big increase in Red Hat Certification training revenues and opportunities for consulting services and “professional services” revenues.

    Yes, I’m an equal opportunity complainer about monopoly practices in corporate governamce…

  68. jim2 says:

    EMS – I don’t use Windoze at home, but it’s the standard at work. We undergo 1 to 2 updates per week, some of which are security patches. Given their (MS) dominance, I guess companies believe they are getting value for their spend. They can always turn to some other company if they want.

  69. another ian says:

    Some words from Katie Hopkins

    “Are these electric car freaks INSANE?”

  70. jim2 says:

    DuckDuckGo isn’t as private as you thought. “Due to a confidential search agreement, the DuckDuckGo browser does not block all Microsoft trackers,” reports Review Geek. “What’s worse, DuckDuckGo only acknowledged this ‘privacy hole’ after it was discovered by a security researcher.” From the report:

    https://yro.slashdot.org/story/22/05/24/218210/bing-contract-prohibits-duckduckgo-from-completely-blocking-microsoft-tracking

  71. jim2 says:

    RE Microsoft. I’m not some sort of MS evangelist and I’m not saying it’s run by God’s Angels. Every workday I work boots on the ground in a MS shop. I think companies use them because MS does cater to their wants and needs. MS always makes sure training courses are available. They, like many others, are offering a ton of cloud-based services. Management would rather not have to pay people in an IT department at all. So the cloud allows them to let MS manage the servers and software so they don’t have to buy on-site servers, provision them with OS and software. Management can pay for computes used – pay as you consume. Of course the cloud also facilitates almost instantaneous scale-out of computing power and has other advantages. There are also drawbacks, but I’m highlighting why I think managements like MS.

  72. E.M.Smith says:

    @Jim2:

    I know why folks buy it.

    I’ve bought it. Site lcences for the whole company. Of a few hundred seats. I’ve installed it, upgraded it, managed it, etc. etc.

    Major reasons:

    The decision maker is usually a V.P. Finance or similar. Not a computer guy. All his friends use MS. All he wants is “what everyone does” Any attempt to do otherwise requires a lot of work to justify it. If you succeed at justifying it, you have made your boss look wrong….

    VPs think about mergers. When everything is MS in both shops, merging is easy. Mixed shop mergers are harder to arrange. VP doesn’t want anything in the way of his merger bonus plans.

    Apple works better but costs more. Nobody wants to spend more for quality.

    Linux/Unix is vastly more secure (as is Apple) but takes expensive people to do it right. Nobody wants to spend more for security. They want to feel secure, but not pay enough to be secure.

    Every software product for the desktop is on MS. Some on Apple. Not much other than freeware on *nix until you hit high end engineering servers. Self fullfilling flocking behaviour.

    All the staff already knows that software. Kind of a silly one as MS mutates the software every couple of years requiring more training money and certification money be spent. Yet the argument is made and swallowed that no training is needed…

    Compute Services are like electricity. Nobody gets praise or a bonus for having the lights work 24x7x365. You only get noticed if you fix an emergency. Run your shop smoothly without failures, your boss only asks why you use so much money and who to cut. Microsoft provides a lot of “emergencies” to justify your budget and staff. I’ve had both experiences in shops I managed. Not hypothetical. IT Managers know this. I’ve had others say it to my face.

    So the “easy decision” is not to make any decisions. Just “Go to the freezer and take out the same pizza everyone else eats”… It is, after all, just good enough. And if anything goes wrong, it isn’t on you because everyone uses it…

  73. another ian says:

    Hilary paid for the Alfa flash drives

    “Here’s the whole thread rendered as a Thread-Reader page:
    https://tinyurl.com/rx5s9mu3

    Via http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2022/05/25/when-the-fbi-does-it-that-means-that-its-not-illegal-243/#comments

  74. another ian says:

    Learn all about it!

  75. Chiff says:

    Interesting follow from a statistical expert on COVID/vaccine/treatment

  76. another ian says:

    “We’re being harvested. There’s no other word for it.”

    https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2022/05/were-being-harvested-theres-no-other.html

    Particularly towards the end on “The parasite class”

  77. another ian says:

    Rebel News

    “EVERYTHING about the World Economic Forum is FAKE”

  78. another ian says:

    Some on Oz politics

  79. E.M.Smith says:

    Erasing history in the USA…

    https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/05/pentagon-unveils-new-names-for-9-confederate-named-bases/

    Nevermind the original goal of binding the nation together again, after the War Of Northern Agression… Nevermind the personal history of all those, like W.W.II vets who passed through those bases.

    No. ALL must bow down to the God Of PC and any opposition to Central Authority must be erased from history…

    Perhaps the Southern States where those bases are located need to raise a complaint… perhaps even band together in resistance to Federalism…

  80. H.R. says:

    @E.M. – I’m willing to bet $10 or more that if it comes to a civil war, the red states and their citizens who are not afraid to touch, let alone look at, a gun will have the upper hand.

    Mrs. H.R. has an old friend from middle school days who is deathly afraid of guns. It took her a while to begin visiting our house again after she found out that… we actually owned guns! YOU’RE All GONNA DIE!!! Those guns will jump up in the middle of the night, load themselves, and then hunt you down and sh00t you. Or at least, that’s her way of thinking.

    So again, I’m willing to bet on the side that has more people who know their guns, know which direction to point them, and know when to pull the trigger.

  81. philjourdan says:

    Re; Renaming Things

    A rubber band stretches so far, before it snaps back.

    The american Taliban will be a pox on the history of the country.

  82. H.R. says:

    Further to lefties and their fear of guns…

    I was in a gun shop to pick up that small caliber gun to use for my carry piece when I was going to have shoulder surgery. There was a line outside the door just to get in and about a 1/2-hour +/- wait to get in. Then you had to take a number to get a clerk to sell you a gun. They had six clerks behind the counter, and it was still about an hour wait for your turn with a clerk.

    The big rush was due to all that “mostly peaceful” rioting and it was lefties who were finally starting to “get clue” that it just might be up to them to protect themselves.

    While I was deciding between a couple of small arms, I asked the salesman about all the first-time gun buyers. He said it was amazing how many of them bought into the propaganda that you could just walk in anywhere and buy a gun; easier than buying weed. He said they were really amazed at the instant background check, which was running sometimes 2 to 3 days behind due to the overwhelming demand at the time. They were surprised and mad that they had to come back to pick up their purchase.

    And they had no clue as to what they should be buying. He said that all the clerks talked about the clueless shoppers and had to ask questions that would at least would hopefully help them sell the person an appropriate gun. I guess it would start out, “I want to buy a gun.” Okay, a pistol, a revolver, single action, double action, what caliber…? Customer: “What?!?”

    Anyhow, there have been a lot of lefties that have been disabused of the notion that you can buy firearms like bubblegum.

  83. another ian says:

    Latest Pointman

    “I’ve given up trying to detect any sense in American foreign policy these days.”

    “TURNING OFF THE WAR”

    https://thepointman.wordpress.com/2022/05/27/turning-off-the-war/

  84. YMMV says:

    From that pointman:
    “We’re finally dealing with the organ grinder rather than his monkey.”
    Zelensky is the monkey?, but who is the organ grinder?

    and:
    “However, at any one moment, you can’t actually be sure which puppeteer behind a senile president you’re actually dealing with.”
    That one I get.

    https://www.rt.com/news/556097-henry-kissinger-ukraine-conflict/
    “When Henry Kissinger gives advice on ending the Ukraine conflict, the West should listen”

    Recipient of the Nobel Peace Prize for his role in negotiating an end to the bloody Vietnam War with the North Vietnamese
    Odd. I don’t remember ever hearing that. And do you get the NPP for surrendering? In which case, maybe there’s one is the works for the recent end of the long Afghanistan war. They are sort-of similar. Getting into wars you have no hope of ever winning seems to be easy, and getting out of them impossible, so maybe that is worth the NPP.

    Kissinger’s solution for ending the territorial disputes between Russia and Ukraine is unlikely to please the current American foreign policy establishment. “Ideally, the dividing line should be a return to the status quo ante. Pursuing the war beyond that point will not be about the freedom of Ukraine, but a new war against Russia itself,” Kissinger said, with the “status quo ante” referring to leaving Crimea, Lugansk, and Donetsk under Russia’s control.

    Get another NPP ready to go!

    “The rejection of long-range strategy explains how it was possible to slide into the Kosovo conflict without adequate consideration of all its implications—especially the visceral reaction of almost all nations of the world against the new NATO doctrine of humanitarian intervention,” Kissinger wrote in a Newsweek article in 1999.

    Kissinger’s remarks accurately foreshadowed the military interventions of NATO member nations elsewhere under humanitarian pretexts — such as Syria, Libya, and now against Russia via Ukraine — for the ultimate purpose of regime change. He equally predicted why, despite rampant promotion and spinning of these Western wars, so much opposition to them nonetheless exists. Although attention spans and news cycles may have shortened since Kissinger’s diplomatic heyday, some people can still grasp that ideologically driven conflicts can engender long-term negative systemic repercussions that more than outweigh whatever short-term satisfaction may be derived from sparking an ideologically driven conflict.

    Score another point for Kissinger.

  85. YMMV says:

    We were talking about CIA mind control somewhere a while back.

    https://www.rt.com/news/555089-cia-lsd-experiments-mkultra/
    “The story of how the CIA conducted secret LSD experiments on unwitting US citizens”

    In 1979, former US State Department officer John Marks published a book called ‘The Search for the ‘Manchurian Candidate’’, which focused on the CIA’s mind-control experiments and is based on agency documents released under the Freedom of Information Act.

    “The CIA itself only released the documents on the matter in 2007.”

    No mention of waterboarding in the article.

  86. cdquarles says:

    I don’t remember Kissinger negotiating a surrender, by us. What I do remember is that, once the anti-Nixon coup happened, the Communists knew they’d be able to get our Communist riddled Democrat politicians to surrender, which they did. How much mutual deception was involved, I don’t know.

  87. cdquarles says:

    Heh, RT. LSD and methamphetamine experiments were done in the 1920s, by both sides of that war. Ergot poisoning was well known before that.

  88. jim2 says:

    RE: LSD and the CIA. It may be the way Ken Kesey was “launched.”

    Kesey was born in La Junta, Colorado and grew up in Springfield, Oregon, graduating from the University of Oregon in 1957. He began writing One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest in 1960 following the completion of a graduate fellowship in creative writing at Stanford University; the novel was an immediate commercial and critical success when published two years later. During this period, Kesey participated in government studies involving hallucinogenic drugs (including mescaline and LSD) to supplement his income.[6]

    Following the publication of One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest, he moved to nearby La Honda, California and began hosting happenings with former colleagues from Stanford, miscellaneous bohemian and literary figures (most notably Neal Cassady) and other friends collectively known as the Merry Pranksters; these parties, known as Acid Tests, integrated the consumption of LSD with multimedia performances. He mentored the Grateful Dead (the de facto “house band” of the Acid Tests) throughout their incipience and continued to exert a profound influence upon the group throughout their long career.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Kesey

  89. another ian says:

    “Trudeau climate delegations win golden pig trophy for worst taxpayer waste”

    https://tnc.news/2022/05/26/trudeau-climate-delegations-win-golden-pig-trophy-for-worst-taxpayer-waste/

    Via SDA

  90. another ian says:

    An interesting linking of Vit D, Vit K and magnesium to various effects

    https://joannenova.com.au/2022/05/weekend-unthreaded-413/#comment-2551920

  91. philemon says:

    @YMMV says: “We were talking about CIA mind control somewhere a while back.”

    https://amidwesterndoctor.substack.com/p/the-evidence-for-antidepressants

    It ain’t mind control. Best they can do is impair cognitive function via torture or drugs and put the patsy on the spot. But if you say you’ve got a dead cert for mind control, they’ll fund you because they love that idea, and there go your tax dollars,

  92. another ian says:

    More needed

    “Kentucky AG Legal Opinion: ESG Investing is a Breach of an Asset Manager’s Fiduciary Duty”

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/05/26/kentucky-ag-legal-opinion-esg-investing-is-a-breach-of-an-asset-managers-fiduciary-duty/

  93. another ian says:

    Bayou Renaissence Man’s quote of the day

    https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2022/05/quote-of-day.html

    It concludes

    “So if we’re going to start ignoring the Constitution, I’m fine with that. The first part I’m going to start ignoring is the part that says, I have to do whatever they say.”

    But read it all

  94. another ian says:

    “World War II Every Day with Army Sizes”

    Via SDA – comment there

    “Imagine how much work it must have taken to research & produce!”

  95. another ian says:

    “TIME TO TAKE DOWN T-MOBILE”

    “DAVOS FREAKS ANNOUNCE T-MOBILE AND DEUTSCHE TELEKOM DEAL TO TRACK YOUR ‘CARBON FOOTPRINT’ USING YOUR PHONE”

    https://richardsonpost.com/howellwoltz/27192/time-to-take-down-t-mobile/

  96. H.R. says:

    I’m not seeing that anyone can determine much about my carbon footprint from my phone. It’s talk and text only, no data. And I don’t use my phone to buy anything.

    But they can track my travels, since the phone’s location has to be known to get the talk or text to it.

    And I don’t travel much. It’s mostly errands when we are home, and over to the Gulf to fish when we are in Florida, and we are close to the Gulf.

    Then there’s that habit I have of leaving my phone at home when I run errands. Mrs H.R. gets so mad when I’m doing a grocery run, she thinks of something she needs, calls me, and my phone rings in the hallway. But I get the message when I get home, oh no doubt about that. 😉

    Oh, and there’s that little problem of a defective battery. My phone goes dead in about 16 hours if I don’t fully charge it, and I frequently forget to charge it. I was going to get the battery replaced under warranty, then I began thinking it’s a feature, not a bug, so I’m hanging onto that battery for a while.

    Anyone using my phone to determine my ‘caahbon’ footprint would probably conclude that I’m a very low emitter. I’d probably rank lower than all the supposed greenies that carry their phone everywhere, including to protests of the modern hydrocarbon-based society.

    I’ll be taking steps to further confound any data that’s being collected against my phone. We’ve already had some nice how-to discussions on this blog on that topic.

  97. Ossqss says:

    Floridians, keep a peek on this little ditty. It will start showing up in the modeling soon.

  98. cdquarles says:

    I am watching that one. We had a tropical system, though not very organized, pass near me a few days ago. A mid-latitude system recently exited, too; so this one may skirt south of me. Yeah, FL folk should be aware of it. Formal start of the Atlantic season is June 1st.

  99. Ossqss says:

    It is now showing up on the latest runs of GFS and ECMWF. If interested, here ya go. Remember to push the play button.

    https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/

  100. YMMV says:

    jim2: Ken Kesey … very interesting … very i-ron-ic
    So the CIA took drugs which were already around a bit and popularized them. Cool. Very progressive.

    They missed one (AFAIK): ayahuasca, from Peru.

    a plant-based psychedelic. Psychedelics affect all the senses, altering a person’s thinking, sense of time and emotions. They can cause a person to hallucinate—seeing or hearing things that do not exist or are distorted.

    Ayahuasca is a decoction (concentrated liquid) made by prolonged heating or boiling of the Banisteriopsis caapi vine with the leaves of the Psychotria viridis shrub, although there can be a variety of other plants included in the decoction for different traditional purposes.1 The active chemical in ayahuasca is DMT (dimethyltryptamine). It also contains monoamine oxidase inhibitors (MAOIs).

    https://adf.org.au/drug-facts/ayahuasca/

    News to me, but if you want a first hand reference, ask Will Smith. He says he used it 14 times

  101. another ian says:

    “The climate change speech that got HSBC banker Stuart Kirk suspended”

    Link at

    https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2022/05/the-climate-change-speech-that-got-hsbc-banker-stuart-kirk-suspended.html

  102. another ian says:

    Site for that link –

  103. another ian says:

    “Intended consequences: energy price rises & inflation”

  104. another ian says:

    That might need capturing for future reference

  105. H.R. says:

    ♯♪♫ Sixteen men on a dead man’s chest. Yo-ho-ho and a bottle of rum! ♪♫

    Arrrrgh, me hearties. Methinks our host has been sailing the high seas a lot lately, seeking treasure and plundering fishing villages. Any sudden increase of reports of piracy around the area where E.M. has landed?

    (Yeah, sure, E.M. You’ve been too busy ‘house hunting’. Uh-huh, Yeah, that’s the ticket… ‘house hunting’… suuuuure… 😉)

  106. jim2 says:

    YMMV – Tom Wolf’s “The Electric Koolaid Acid Test” documents how far “out there” Kesey and his band of Merry Pranksters really were. They lived in an alternate reality.

    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7442.The_Electric_Kool_Aid_Acid_Test

  107. E.M.Smith says:

    @H.R.:

    Nope. Just made the mistake of buying several bottles of 19 Crimes wine for “inventory:… like that was going to happen.

    Also, spouse has been staying up later watching TV, which blocks my access to the Pine64 with big screen… leaving me on the Tablet that is really bugging me as long term one finger typing sucks. It also drained the Hot Spot month of data plan in one week as she binge watched some series on the ROKU…

    So after scrambling to get internet back I ended up Thursday a bit in my cups on 19 Crimes Rum Barrel Red & Chardonnay (I really did intend it as a catch up posting on Australian wine…)

    Today hit Walmart to buy a Chromebook as they are Linux Friendly… but that Walmart was a zoo AND only had Windoze laptops, unlike other Walmarts.

    I know I’m being way too slow and sporadic at posting, but it will likely get worse before better.

    Present housing runs out end of month and despite about 100+ miles a day looking at houses, nothing has completed yet. A couple went just before our “want it” action. Several junk.

    Too much time spent “coping” with too little to show for it.

    Oh Well… there’s always wine… and 1/2 a case of Moosehead in the fridge still…

  108. another ian says:

    Re Trump’s Casper rally from a comment at Jo Nova

    “A friend who was unable to attend, and lives in Colorado, is also searching for the most complete version of the rally. Very early on, Representative Lauren Boebert from Western Colorado gave one of the best rally speeches ever; the crowd was totally fired up by her! She called herself, ‘The RINO [Republican In Name Only] Hunter’, since many Wyomingites view Liz Cheney as a full-fledged RINO.”

  109. another ian says:

    The Fates with a sense of humour

    “TWO OF THE WORLD’S BIGGEST LOCKDOWN NAZIS MEET EACH OTHER, GET COVID.”

    https://instapundit.com/522795/

    Via http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2022/05/29/please-tase-em-bro/

  110. E.M.Smith says:

    Well, I’ve got a new HP Chromebook for all of $250 and finished the basic set up. Browser works OK. Keyboard is OK. Printing on screen is a bit small… Maybe I can find a magnify setting :-)

    We’ll see if this is enough to get me posting a little faster….

  111. another ian says:

    Re Texas

    “Four YEARS Of Warning”

    https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=245992

  112. philjourdan says:

    @YMMV – Re: “News to me, but if you want a first hand reference, ask Will Smith. He says he used it 14 times”

    In high school, we had a stoner in one of my classes. She was brain dead (but had a bod that could not be beat!). We got on the subject of psychotropic drugs, and she was all for them!

    Her exact words were “Do not knock them until you have tried them!”
    My response was “I have not tried Hemlock, but I will still knock it!”

    The rest of the class sat quietly through our one sided debate.

  113. E.M.Smith says:

    Another Ian;

    I think Right Side Media has full recordings of Trump Rallies. Sometimes starting from hours before start and including minor presenters.

    Search Rumble for her name Casper trump rally and it ought to show up. I have it open in a URL, but they (Gargoyle) changed how to copy / past URLs (or I just don’t remember it right yet.,..) and I was unable to do the Copy / Paste…

  114. H.R. says:

    @E.M. – I know you know I was teasing. Take your time. We regular commenters are comfortable “talking quietly amongst ourselves” while you take care of business. Oh, and I have noticed a few mostly-lurkers joining in. That’s good. They seem up to speed, but I just vaguely recall their handles from them commenting more on something that piqued their interest a good long while back.

    Anyhow, I had not realized how disruptive the move was to all those bits and pieces of hardware that you could cobble together and rearrange to your convenience and satisfaction. That’s kind of out the ‘Window(s)’ right now.

    BTW, I got an HP laptop about 3 years back. It had a not-the-latest-not-the-oldest Intel chip, so speed is adequate while keeping the cost down. I am not doing any data crunching or video editing/altering. I’m just reading the blogs and comments and making a personal spread sheet or text document here and there. For $250, it handles all that just fine. I’ve turned off all the apps.

    You should be pleased enough with that little box until you get your gear together again.

    And I wish you good luck finding new digs in Florida. Every kid and his brother have been moving to the Free State of Florida, and there are more buyers than sellers right now, Still, it’s way cheaper than California.

  115. E.M.Smith says:

    Ah, with a Real Mouse ™ one does a right click, copy; but with a trackpad one does a Ctl-C to copy and a Ctl-V to paste. Got it.

    https://support.google.com/chromebook/answer/183101

  116. E.M.Smith says:

    @H.R.:

    Yeah, I knew. But thought I ought to ‘splain things anyway.

    FWIW, this is from an ASUS dinky sized tote-book like notebook Chromebook. I’d bought it when I got the other one as it is way small enough to just live in my backpack and was being sold for all of $96. Yup, less than about 3/4 of a tank of gas… (sigh…)

    Basically I got both of these for about the same price as the new battery I had to put in the ML CDI ($365 for the two laptops, $385 for the battery…) Just looked at it and said “Screw it, I’m getting both” for the cost of a battery.

    The ASUS will basically replace the Samsung Tablet for most “on the road” stuff. It has a keyboard but is still about the same size and weight. A big improvement. The Tablet is about a decade (maybe more) old and is reaching EOL. Most Apps in the App Store respond with “not for you” incompatibility notices now, so updates and added apps very limited.

    I figure having 2 “almost always only a browser” boxes that are now up to date will hold me for blog use for a couple of years.

    Per “packed stuff”:

    Yeah, Royal PITA having 90% of all your capabilities in boxes on the other side of the continent. Oh Well… Soon enough one hopes.

    I do need to relearn a lot of my ChromeOS-isms though. It’s been a few years since the HP Chrome Box was put in a box…

    But the Chrome Box, though very limited and a bit “intrusive” in what all it tries to collect in the way of information, is “Just Enough” for running a blog. I’m also happy to leave all of “my stuff” on other hardware so need not worry about information leakage. And it’s as cheap as you can possibly find. I mean, under $100 and I have a small laptop?

    Some kind of clearance at Best Buy.

    It’s only 4 GB Memory and 32 GB of eMMC storage, but I tend to save everything to an outboard mSD Card anyway (just don’t trust Google to not go snooping on the box what with all the “back it up to our servers?” stuff I have to shut off.) So a very limited capacity, but since all I want is a browser and KB/Screen, just fine.

  117. H.R. says:

    @E.M. – I disabled all the cloud backup stuff. My little machine pouts and stamps its feet – gets downright testy sometimes – but I won’t give in. 😁

    I haven’t figured out how to disable the foot stamping and pouting.

  118. E.M.Smith says:

    just installed Linux in a container inside ChromeOS. Just a terminal window so far. I was able to do an “apt-get install lxde”, but have not figured out how to launch a windowing system inside a container… yet,

    But frankly just having Linux tools like “whois” and “nslookup” available along side the ChromeOS Browser is a nice value add.

    But enough playing for tonight…

  119. Ossqss says:

    FWIW, When I used my note pro Samsung tablet as an everyday tool, I applied a $40 Logitec keyboard case with touchpad, and it was just like a laptop. Loved that thing, but alas, antiquated Andoid killed many app combabilities…

  120. David A says:

    Interesting Covid / vaccine link. Apparently, as many have suspected, the percentage vaccinated is far less than advertised. (At least in the UK) This then dramatically takes the already bleak vaccine effectiveness to a very strong negative, especially if one attempts to get all cause mortality numbers. (Which should be dead on accurate if the statistic takers made any sincere effort to track) The control group is still there, and apparently far larger than we thought. All cause mortality can be retroactively checked for every demographic, and the anti vaccine crowd needs to laser like, focus on that.

    https://beforeitsnews.com/eu/2022/05/dear-andrew-neil-uk-gov-report-admits-18-9-million-people-have-not-had-a-single-dose-of-a-covid-19-vaccine-there-are-now-30-5-million-vaccine-refuseniks-2687718.html

  121. another ian says:

    Sounds like a “Watch this space”

    “Did HSBC Stuart Kirk Kill the Climate Investment Industry?”

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/05/29/did-hsbc-stuart-kirk-just-kill-the-climate-investment-industry/

  122. E.M.Smith says:

    Ah yes, Chromisms…. to get a “right click” of course you do ALT-Click…

    https://support.google.com/chromebook/answer/183101

    Right-click a link Press Alt and click a link
    Open the link in a new tab in the background Press Ctrl and click a link

    I suppose it is still better than the tablet without a right click at all….

    It also looks like tapping with 2 fingers gets me a right click result when not on links. At least that has happened a few times by accident.

    FWIW, I had the Belkin add on bluetooth keyboard for my Samsung tablet and liked it OK… until a spilled bit of coffee killed it. The only real problem with it was the speed. The tablet was trying to look up each partly typed word and present a set of possible completions to pick from, so each added letter typed caused another lookup search that chewed time. At my typing speed I was always overrunning the processor speed and getting pauses / type ahead issues. So it was only a little bit faster than one finger typing on the pseudo-keyboard.

  123. E.M.Smith says:

    @David A:

    That’s an interesting set of statistics… Tends to confirm what we’ve seen elsewhere. I’m still a bit fuzzy on exactly what the All Death is saying. 2 reasons: 1) there’s the issue of sicker folks perhaps taking the jab while healthy ones might choose to skip it (so folks with co-morbidities might be more scared than healthy lumberjacks…) then 2) that issue of folks jabbed being counted as un-vaccinated for 2 weeks in some (all?) jurisdictions.

    But in any case it does look like being in the Pureblood Group is not much of a risk (or maybe even a big positive).

  124. E.M.Smith says:

    If you have not already seen the Auron MacIntyre video in the link posted above by Another Ian, then hit the link. It’s a real keeper.

    Basically explains why “good but slow folks” and “smart folks” often have the same values while “midwits” (folks just a tiny bit smarter than average) tend to Left Moonbattery….

    FWIW, I have personally experienced the spectrum of this as it relates to religion. At 12 y.o. I “accepted Jesus” and was baptized. At 20 I was pushing atheism as “obvious”. By 40 or so I’d thought through a few more things in much greater depth and realized that while Formal Churches might have bogosities in them, there were a lot of bits of ‘rational’ understanding of the Universe that really are founded on no more than faith. Basically I went through a ‘midwit’ phase on religion.

    But eventually learned enough to know that humans have no real clue about the nature of the Universe, or reality. (If nothing else, Quantum Mechanics needs to give one great pause about claiming they know the nature of reality…). Essentially, there is an inexplicable Universe we are in, and it is not possible at all to know where it came from (or where it is going). You can either have “faith” that it arose from nothing, by a mystical process we do not know, ‘all on its own’, or have “faith” that some power made it creatively… and exactly what IS the difference between those?

    So I now view physics, chemistry, etc. as just learning the mechanisms by which “God” chooses to work. Basically, the “natural laws” are the Words that were “spoken into being” and evolution is just watching the program operate… Doesn’t matter if it was “an old man in the sky with a white beard” who “did it” or if it just “came to be by unknown means” as they are indistinguishable from each other in practice.

    “Reality Just Is – E.M.S.”

    But that kind of thought process generalizes. Global Warming? A lower IQ person looks around and says “World seems the same as 20 years go. Something is bogus”. A high IQ person who puts in the work finds all sorts of bogus loose ends and says “global warming is bogus”. It’s the semi-lazy MidWit who either accepts the platitudes and talking points, or just “trusts the media” (and has just enough talking points to feel superior to the Common Man) that make up the True Believers in global warming. They feel smug about having mastered a simple, obvious (and wrong…) explanation.

  125. David A says:

    EM, concerning the Covid Vaccine link. Yes, unfortunately most all Covid statistics are a bit fuzzy, and I just no longer feel the need to chase them down to a great degree. Just the fact that we could and should have very exact numbers on all cause morbidity and mortality for every age demographic, vaccinated verse un-vaccinated, and YES, there should not be a two to four week statistic of vaccinated counted as un-vaccinated, tells me they are very afraid to examine those numbers. Fortunately, as mentioned, the control group is real, and large, and will never take their shot, so those numbers can be found for any timeline.

  126. jim2 says:

    I’m surprised, but shouldn’t be, when media report the latest strains of COVID-19 can re-infect people who have been vaccinated and/or had the disease. If they had done just a smidgen of research on corona viruses, they would learn people get these over and over again and have been probably for centuries. You can’t fix stupid, but you can fix ignorance.

  127. E.M.Smith says:

    And you can fix evil / malevolence… but often it requires rope and a high place…

  128. H.R. says:

    @jim2 – And you can’t fix what people do to get their weekly paychecks.

    “What? You want me to make cyanide-laced cookies and doughnuts?!? And say again how much that paid per hour? Okay… okay… When do I start?”

    It’s even harder to fix when the pay goes into 6 or 7 or 8 figures. Ask ‘3-Mask’ FauXi. He’ll verify that.

  129. jim2 says:

    Even if COVID stopped evolving now and forever more, people would still continue to get the same strains over and over again. This is the way corona viruses have been and continue to be.

  130. cdquarles says:

    Not just corona viruses, but pretty much all RNA viruses and many DNA viruses. “Life finds a way” through survival of that which survives with let’s keep the old ways as backup, just in case. “Be fruitful and multiply”, lest ye be replaced.

  131. YMMV says:

    Doesn’t matter if it was “an old man in the sky with a white beard” who “did it” or if it just “came to be by unknown means” as they are indistinguishable from each other in practice.

    True. What worries me though is the old white bearded men on earth, and the young black bearded ones, and all the others too with the other colors and “genders”.

    ALL telling me what reality is, and it’s getting less and less convincing.

    It’s just a matter of time before someone decides it’s time to wipe the slate (“the earth”) clean and start over.

  132. H.R. says:

    @jim2 – That was more or less my (incomplete) understanding of corona viruses.

    The point that always snapped my head around 180 degrees was that a successful corona virus vaccine had never been produced, and the various efforts at producing a vaccine had the unfortunate side effect of killing the test subjects (cats, dogs, whatever).

    So I always, always thought a wait and see stance was the prudent thing to do regarding the ‘vaccines’, which turned out to be mRNA therapies of unknown efficacy and safety. (“Safe and effective.” Anyone recall hearing something like that?)

    Anyhow, way back when, Mrs. H.R. opted for one of the ‘vaccines’. I could not fault her decision at that time. I decided to remain in the control group.

    Now Mrs. H.R. will never take another jab unless they come up with a true vaccine (not ‘vaccine’) that has been proven effective 100% for the people for which it is safe. There is NO vaccine that is 100% safe for everyone, but I’ll be willing to take a flier on a true vaccine that is 99.7% or 99.8% of the time. That’s just normal risk. The mRNA ‘vaccines’ are a realk crapshoot.

  133. another ian says:

    “The head of Facebook’s fake science fact check group, Science Feedback, is ‘hiding in Paris, terrified of appearing in court’ ”

    https://sharylattkisson.com/2022/05/the-head-of-facebooks-fake-science-fact-check-group-science-feedback-is-hiding-in-paris-terrified-of-appearing-in-court/

    Via SDA

  134. philjourdan says:

    “Reality Just Is – E.M.S.”

    PJ Corollary – Facts just are.

  135. philjourdan says:

    @jim2 – Re: This is the way corona viruses have been and continue to be.

    THey do not call it the “common” cold for nothing!

  136. another ian says:

    It blew like hell here in western Qld yesterday.

    I was thinking that the wind farm fans would be talking up how much power they produced – unless it was too strong.

    And, if they were, my question is “How are they going to get that power back into last week to replace the power that they didn’t generate then”?

  137. E.M.Smith says:

    https://english.pravda.ru/news/world/152129-nigeria/

    Yes, it is Pravda of former infamy, but WT?

    American laboratories found in Nigeria where monkeypox began to spread

    I don’t give a flying fig if there is zero connection of “our” laboratories to monkey pox. My question is why in hell do “we” have bio laboratories all over hell and gone?

  138. Ossqss says:

    Bio Labs = we can afford it.

  139. YMMV says:

    Last time ’round it was rendition, Guantanamo, dark flights to strange places.
    This time it is bio labs. Wuhan, but for sure not the only one.
    Russia says Ukraine has them. I’m not ruling that out.

    It is not just China that is covering up …

    You can fast forward the first 1:40 or so.

  140. another Ian says:

    Russell on gun control

    “So It’s Just Bullsh*t Then”

  141. another ian says:

    Language

  142. rhoda klapp says:

    If Another Ian hasn’t posted this already, here’s the incomparable Neil Oliver in fine seditious form:

  143. another ian says:

    Rhoda

    Borrowed from somewhere

    As otherwise stated “If you are not going to abide by the constitution then don’t expect that I will abide by the bits that let you tell me what to do”

    Seems I have an ancestor who was at Eureka Stockade

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eureka_Rebellion

    which carried down to an uncle explaining

    “We’re a rule abiding family – to the rules we make”

  144. another ian says:

    I probably ought to add that the rules were very “10 Commandments based”

  145. p.g.sharrow says:

    BIO-Research Labs involved in “Gain-of -function” were outlawed by the civilized world a number of years ago. so the CIA and GEBs had to move them off shore. to places more ameanable.
    While I am much in favor of expanding the fields of scientific knowledge, deliberately creating virulent strains of infection should be treated as “crimes against humanity” World wide. Gates and Fauci are in this for the Power and Money that these Plandemics create. Gates even bragged about the profits available by making the worlds population addicted to his treatment protocols. For him this is just another business organization, much like MS.

  146. another ian says:

    History for you

  147. another ian says:

    From an email

    “How many AR 15’s did Jesus own?”

    “Not enough to prevent being murdered by his government”

  148. David A says:

    EM says, Doesn’t matter if it was “an old man in the sky with a white beard” who “did it” or if it just “came to be by unknown means” as they are indistinguishable from each other in practice.”

    You have touched on the foundational basis of the “cosmological argument” And that warrants a deeper discussion.

    Science is designed, via observation, deductive reason, and the arrow of time, to say what is, not what is not. As said, science admits it never sees the entire picture, but always a portion there of, and is always open to the possibility of more information.

    Why is this so? The language of science is mathematics. The nature of mathematics can allow infinities, as in the sign, used in certain functions to indicate a process continues indefinitely until interrupted. (Such as Used in a relative sense like certain electrical functions) However infinity itself is not a number, and cannot be approached by any number. The largest number imaginable, is yet infinitely far from infinity. Yet the human mind cannot, not conceive of infinity. There is no wall at the outer boundary of space, there is always a beyond that the mind knows must be there. Also there is always a before.

    Science is limited to this partial view, and its laws always break down, regressing to the big bang one finds one self face to face with all the laws breaking down, infinite energy, all information, all power, beyond time, beyond space required solution.

    If one assumes a “steady state” that is begging the question, essentially saying everything always was, and has no cause. Again, the foundation of science is broken in either direction when the arrow of time is broken, and infinity is conceived, an unavoidable conception. If everything always was, then everything that could ever happen, would have happened inconceivably long ago.

    Thus science is a tool, a finite tool “fit to discover the laws of an existing and functioning cosmos, yet powerless to detect the law framer and sole director”. Pushed to the moment of the big bang, one finds, as previously stated, (All Knowledge) as discovered one by one, bit by bit, by science, (All Power) as discovered bit by bit by science as it progresses from harnessing wind and water and fire and chemicals to electricity to ever finer forces like the atom to the sub atomic quantum physics conceptions.

    Logically “science” cannot discover that which is beyond it design, Its design is duality, to always see the partial, the positive and negative, not one force but two, duality. Yet the dilemma of duality is it cannot approach infinity,, yet cannot deny it. There cannot be an infinite beyond numbers, beyond causality beyond the arrow of time, infinite energy solution that science can reach, because it is not equipped to do so. Yet it cannot say everything always was and has no cause, or everything came from nothing.

    So there must be a causeless cause, beyond numbers, beyond the law of cause and affect, beyond time, and we can, via science, look at the cosmos, and see if we can find hints about this infinite energy all knowledgeable source. Indeed we immediately observe endless signs of intelligence in the design. The more we comprehend the cosmos, the more signs of intelligence we observe.

    If the four known fundamental forces were not just so, no cosmos would have developed, no life would have formed, no consciousness to investigate would have manifested. The odds of our observable happening by chance are incredibly, beyond astronomically, small. Some argue that there are an infinite number of universes, ( a larger “beg the question” is hard to imagine.) However we only have ONE observable yes? And that observable achieved those impossible odds. Again, the more science learns, the more those impossible odds, become more impossible. We are now up to rolling as many as seven or so 10 to the 40th power plus sided dice in a row and hitting the one number all seven times. The entire cosmos is writ large with design, with intelligence.

    Now, recognizing the limitation of science, lets discuss another way of “knowing”, an additional epistemology required for observing an eternal infinite verity, the soul. Certainly you cannot expect the 12 inch ruler of your brain to measure the infinite energy, vibration-less causeless cause of the cosmos. That “knowing” of consciousness logically requires a like transcending of the finite, a moving beyond science, to what is called enlightenment, salvation, transcendence. It is the same in the world’s great religions. Christ said, ” Be still, and KNOW,”

    Hinduism teaches the same. That God the Father, beyond all vibratory creation, is yet transcendent in creation, that the entire creation is his body, that his children (made in his image and likeness) can become like him. The disparate saints all speak that this consciousness is rooted in love. Likewise tens of thousands of near death experiences, from every culture and time, all provide testimony to this spiritual basis of life. Indeed, the Yogis say one must be still indeed. How still? The breath and heart must stop. A Christian saint, speaking of rejoicing in God said, “I die daily”

    I am not asking one to accept this disparate way of knowing. You can’t. It requires seeking. “Seek and you shall find, knock and the door shall be opened” – true for scientific understanding, true for Soul experience, convincing beyond the atoms. What is consciousness? Why, when one concentrates on something, does one come to comprehend it? What is intelligence? What is feeling? What is intuition? What is love?

    I do ask that one consider our scientific limitations, how much we do not know, the possibility that via scientific methods we cannot know, (India’s scriptures proclaim that God is not knowable in this way) and consider that there may be a different means of knowing, and we respect those that see this possibility. I am suggesting humility, as we are not the author of life.

  149. David A says:

    Oh, one final thought regarding the characterizing of ” an old man in a white beard” You are very correct in there is no difference between that and infinite vibratory energy information just is.

    A more observant reading of scripture ( this is true for east and west religious views) actually describes this mystery source of the cosmos as; Information, or all knowing, and omnipresent, energy, or all powerful, and vibration, that from an “all powerful”, all knowledgeable, omnipresent consciousnesses that “spoke” creation into being. “Let there be light” And it indicates this was done in the mind or thought first, “The earth was without form and void.” So the “Old man in a white beard is not an accurate representation of religious perspective.

  150. another ian says:

    “BREAKING, The FBI Maintains a Workspace, Including Computer Portal, Inside the Law Firm of Perkins Coie – The Ramifications are Significant
    May 31, 2022 | Sundance | 290 Comments”

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/05/31/breaking-the-fbi-maintains-a-workspace-including-computer-portal-inside-the-law-firm-of-perkins-coie-the-ramifications-are-significant/

  151. another ian says:

    Another one

    “One Of The Largest Egg Factories In US Torched In The Middle Of The Night Amid Outbreak Of Fires In Food Processing Facilities Across The Nation”

    https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/05/one-largest-egg-factories-us-torched-middle-night-amid-outbreak-fires-food-processing-facilities-across-nation/

  152. another ian says:

    “NIH, Wuhan were working on monkeypox”

  153. another ian says:

    “Is it possible that moonbats can’t see how utterly crazy they’ve become?”

    https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2022/05/is-it-possible-that-moonbats-cant-see.html

    I wonder if the purveyors realise how close they are getting to the old days of highly unwoke initiation ceremonies involving “libations of maiden’s menstruations” and bites of “a two month old turd” – all actually manufactured in the institution’s cafeteria

  154. E.M.Smith says:

    @DavidA:

    Very well written. Yes, it takes a larger treatment. Perhaps after morning coffee when my brain is up to it! ;-)

    @Another Ian:

    People love to see patterns, even where there isn’t one. People love to see things as of great importance, even when they are small and not significant. This is especially so when it comes to disasters or threats. It isn’t paranoia, it is evolution selecting for those monkeys who didn’t poke the tiger… Part of the way past that it to “use a little math”.

    Total US Egg producing hens: 325,000,000
    https://unitedegg.com/facts-stats/

    Approximate number lost in fire: 10,000 to 200,000 (story unclear. says 10 thousands in one place, some guy guesses 200,000 in another)

    Percentage: 10,000 / 325,000,000 x 100 = 1/32,500 x 100 = 0.00307%
    to
    Percentage: 200,000 / 325,000,000 x 100 = 2/3,250 x 100 = 0.0615%

    Change in egg production from 2019 to 2020: – 2% (prior year change a similar percentage up, per the graph)

    So this “huge” egg processing fire is way way way into the noise of normal year to year variation of production in response to folks buying more, or less.

    There’s always fire burning down things somewhere. Electrical fires. Lightning fires. Somebody doing something stupid fires. That there was a fire somewhere is not important or unusual. The size of this fire is not important nor unusual. It may well be an arson fire. Or not. It may well be part of some pattern, or not. But it is too small to have any effect at all on egg supply or prices.

    Put another way: IF that one barn / facility is taken as typical of egg farms, then it would take 325,000,000 / 10,000 = 32,500 or 325,000,000 / 200,000 = 1,625 of them in the USA to make our daily eggs. What are the odds that there are ZERO fires in 32,500 chicken barns this year? Not ONE cigarette tossed in the trashcan with something flammable. Not one fermentation fire from too big a stack of chicken litter left too long in a pile. Not one poorly wired device or fixture. Not one pissed off employee. Not one owner looking for insurance money to get a new replacement facility. Not one vehicle cat converter red hot over a patch of tall dry grass. Not one kid playing with matches. Not one lightning strike.

    It is a very big country, and a very big continent. Unless you “run the numbers” and check to see if the run rate of some catastrophe exceeds the normal run rate, all you can really say is that somebody had a bad day. But that doesn’t sell news / advertising. Panic via hype does. Finding out if the author is a bit of a panic driven worry wart who doesn’t do the math is hard. But you can know that the Editor will promote and reward the panic driven worry warts that sell more papers / clicks…

  155. jim2 says:

    FWIW …

    Jim Marchant lost his own election in November 2020, and he was so convinced that Donald Trump’s loss was fraudulent that he went to Las Vegas to help overturn those results in Nevada, where he met QAnon conspiracist Wayne Willott — also known as right-wing influence “Jean O. Savin,” reported The Daily Beast.

    “If one of these candidates in the future gets elected, there is a QAnon influencer that could help lead to a constitutional crisis,” said Alex Kaplan, a senior researcher for Media Matters for America.

    The 65-year-old Willott, who QAnon adherents have come to believe is John F. Kennedy Jr. in disguise, and Marchant co-founded America First Secretary of State Coalition, which aims to elect pro-Trump election conspiracists to oversee statewide elections.

    https://www.rawstory.com/who-is-juan-o-savin/

  156. Simon Derricutt says:

    David A – though there obviously is a large consensus that some entity created all the stuff we see, that may be because as humans we expect things to be caused by something else. There’s however no logical reason why the universe could not have happened by random chance, and that the reason the various constants we have determined have a narrow range of possible values is because they are actually dependent on each other for some reason we haven’t yet understood.

    The main problem with believing that this is all a divine intervention is that it’s an easy answer and thus prevents us looking for a better reason for things being the way they are. We’ve found the answer, Goddidit, so we’re not looking further….

    Much the same problem if we have too strong a belief in the “Laws of Physics” that we grew up with, and in thinking those are natural laws rather than our interpretation of what they must be based on the things we’ve seen so far. Thus when people noticed that the galaxies were rotating too fast for the visible gravitational matter to hold them together, rather than thinking “hey, Newton’s Law of Gravity may be wrong at large distances”, instead Dark Matter was proposed as the solution so Newton’s Law still applies and we have this stuff we can’t see, doesn’t react with anything except as regards gravity, but must be there. If instead we propose that there’s another reason Newton’s Law doesn’t apply at these distances (Mike McCulloch’s QI theory) then maybe we can find other useful effects. One of those useful effects is to be able to produce thrust using just electrical power with no reaction-mass, and this is turn (since it actually violates CoM even though it is claimed not to) also allows us to create energy from nothing and thus will in future supply us with reliable and very cheap electricity 24/7. Those thrusters are proposed to be on sale from September. Some other theories exist of ways of generating such thrust, with good experimental results so far, so QI theory should also not be believed in but simply used because it predicts well. It’s an answer, but not the final answer.

    Of course, I also can’t disprove the “intelligent design” idea either. It could be right. I think it’s however more productive to accept that we don’t know rather than to believe we know. There will obviously be some shocks to scientific beliefs in the next few years, and some shuffling around as people adjust their stances on conservation of energy when faced with the reality. I figure that our understanding of why things are the way they are will improve, making more things possible that used to be thought impossible.

    Probably still won’t be a free lunch, though.

  157. jim2 says:

    And this …

    Michael Sussmann has been acquitted.

    The acquittal is no surprise. This is a DC jury, after all. In the Roger Stone case, for example, we documented how a juror lied to get on the panel. (That judge didn’t care.) Making matters worse, the Sussmann judge wrongly allowed for a woman to remain on the jury, despite the fact that her daughter and Sussmann’s are on the same high school crew team. One can’t help but think that juror had her own daughter’s interests in mind – the cohesion of the crew team, sparing her of teenage drama, etc. – when she reached a decision.

    After the verdict was announced, the jury’s forewoman held court before the media and expressed her displeasure that the Special Counsel prosecute a false statement case: “There are bigger things that affect the nation than a possible lie to the FBI.”

    This juror was never impartial – despite her assurance to the judge.

    https://technofog.substack.com/p/michael-sussmann-has-been-acquitted?s=r

  158. jim2 says:

    Dimowits are terrified that Republicans might get equal footing in elections.

    Video recordings of Republican Party operatives meeting with grassroots activists provide an inside look at a multi-pronged strategy to target and potentially overturn votes in Democratic precincts: Install trained recruits as regular poll workers and put them in direct contact with party attorneys.

    The plan, as outlined by a Republican National Committee staffer in Michigan, includes utilizing rules designed to provide political balance among poll workers to install party-trained volunteers prepared to challenge voters at Democratic-majority polling places, developing a website to connect those workers to local lawyers and establishing a network of party-friendly district attorneys who could intervene to block vote counts at certain precincts.

    “Being a poll worker, you just have so many more rights and things you can do to stop something than [as] a poll challenger,” said Matthew Seifried, the RNC’s election integrity director for Michigan, stressing the importance of obtaining official designations as poll workers in a meeting with GOP activists in Wayne County last Nov. 6. It is one of a series of recordings of GOP meetings between summer of 2021 and May of this year obtained by POLITICO.

    Backing up those front-line workers, “it’s going to be an army,” Seifried promised at an Oct. 5 training session. “We’re going to have more lawyers than we’ve ever recruited, because let’s be honest, that’s where it’s going to be fought, right?”

    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/01/gop-contest-elections-tapes-00035758

  159. another ian says:

    With apologies to Simon and Garfunkel

    Charles Rixey has written a wonderful COVID-19 parody of Simon and Garfunkel’s song “The Sounds of Silence”, set to the same rhythm and meter. I think it’s inspired.”

    https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2022/06/with-apologies-to-simon-and-garfunkel.html

  160. another ian says:

    Completing the revolution

  161. H.R. says:

    I was only paying 1/2 attention, but on U.S. Wednesday’s edition of Tucker Carlson, he was discussing the twitter takeover by Musk.

    Keep your eye out for this one. It’s funny.

    I gathered that twitter employees have been working from home since the Covid nonsense began. When it came time to open things up, twitter employees were given the option to continue working from home if they wanted to. It seems a LOT wanted to.

    So, 1/2-caught remember, I believe Musk tweeted that all employees must return to work and anyone who didn’t show up after 3 days would be considered to have resigned.

    The response from employees not a cheerful, “OK” as you can well imagine and I believe quite defiant and that they would just continue to work for twitter from home.

    Musk’s very funny tweet, as close as I can recall was, “Well then, they can just pretend to work for someone else.”

    Again, keep your eyes peeled. It should show up many places today.

  162. E.M.Smith says:

    Musk is known to be an “in your grill” manager who expects top productivity…. and good ROI from every employee…

  163. Jon K says:

    This is an interesting piece on the problems with the current recycling programs around the world.

    https://fee.org/articles/how-america-s-recycling-program-failed-and-scarred-the-environment/

  164. YMMV says:

    David A: “So the “Old man in a white beard is not an accurate representation of religious perspective.”

    I would have blamed it on Michelangelo (The Creation of Adam,1509), but he was not the first.

    “The Creation of Adam is generally thought to depict the excerpt “God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him””

    How does one paint a portrait of someone (say, God) that nobody has ever seen? And add to that the graven image prohibition. Or the possibility that “He” may not even have a face.

    I think the following question is more interesting: “Why is Jesus always depicted as looking like Russell Brand?” Perhaps Russell Brand is Jesus reincarnated? If not, he is the closest thing we’ve got. (just don’t ask about his misspent youth, either time). And the way he takes on Big State, he is gonna get crucified.

  165. another ian says:

    “Hollywood Actor Kevin Sorbo: I’m Not Taking Gun Safety Tips From A White House That Armed the Taliban”

    https://ussanews.com/2022/06/01/hollywood-actor-kevin-sorbo-im-not-taking-gun-safety-tips-from-a-white-house-that-armed-the-taliban/

  166. E.M.Smith says:

    I have never agreed with the idea of “Defund the police” until seeing #1 of this:
    https://rumble.com/v16p32u-lost-america-top-10-memes.html

    On the scene video of parents being held back by the police outside the Uvalde school while their children are being shot at and killed. Instead of stopping the shooter, the police are preventing brave citizens from taking him out. Were I a Dad there, I’d have taken out the shooter with my bare hands if necessary and were I lethally shot in the process, considered it a fair trade.

    These police are worse than useless. They prevented any armed citizen (or even an unarmed group of them) from saving their children. I can think of nothing more despicable.

    Uvalde would be better off with NO police and a constitutional carry citizenship.

  167. E.M.Smith says:

    I’m binge watching Watchmaga (now that I have a laptop to catch up) and got up to 22 April. This one is just OMG funny in places (especially the newspaper headlines… be prepared to click stop to read all of it…)

    https://rumble.com/v11xlvc-happy-hump-day.html

  168. E.M.Smith says:

    OMG, they made it a regular series of humor…
    https://rumble.com/v12xxu1-april-29-2022.html

  169. H.R. says:

    @Ossqss – I love the steam exhibit at the Florida State Fair. I worked in a factory that was electrified from its beginnings as a steam-powered factory.

    For light, there was a wall ‘o windows (casement-type, metal framed, glazed 12″ x 18″ panes) on each side of the plant. It was laid out North-South so you’d get light all day as the sun traveled East to West. At a couple of levels, the windows could be swung out so you’d get air flow through the shop floor. The place was really cold during Winter, though.

    In the basement was the steam engine that powered the plant. The steam engine was still down there when I was working there. It was never removed. It powered three main shafts which ran overhead the length of the shop floor; one down the center and the other two on the outer aisles. The shafts and pulleys were also still up in the ceiling. The only thing missing was the old belt driven machinery.; lathes, drills, and mills.

    I don’t know what was originally manufactured there. Probably wagon and carriage parts or something for railroads or tools or who knows what. Anyhow, that plant was electrified at some point. It was easy-peasy to run wires wherever you wanted as there were lots of trusses and supports for hanging the runs.

    The company I worked for in that place made “cultured marble” sinks, tub enclosures, window sills, and backsplashes. It was powdered limestone mixed with resin + hardener, and various colors of sand or gold or silver flecks were swirled in to make it look like marble or granite or just some weird modern stone. That was poured into molds shaped like whatever the customer wanted. We’d make standard sizes and custom sizes.

    The other thing about those old factories was that they were all built in a line along a rail spur. We still used the spur to get in a boxcar load of limestone when needed. We shipped out by truck, though. Anyhow, most of the old factories shipped out by rail. You just couldn’t make and ship any volume or distance using horse drawn wagons.

    It was an interesting lesson in manufacturing history working there. I enjoyed studying the building on breaks and thinking about all the changes that had come about in manufacturing.

  170. another ian says:

    ““Looking at the Sun” – Climate Discussion Nexus interviews CERES co-team leader, Dr. Ronan Connolly”

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/06/02/looking-at-the-sun-climate-discussion-nexus-interviews-ceres-co-team-leader-dr-ronan-connolly/

    “Topics covered include:

    The significance of the debates between the two main rival satellite estimates of solar activity trends since 1978, i.e., PMOD and ACRIM.

    How using either PMOD or ACRIM to calibrate the pre-satellite era solar data can give very different estimates of how much solar activity has changed since the 19th century and earlier.

    How politics and the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reports have downplayed the possible role of solar activity in recent climate change.

    The urbanization bias problem of current thermometer-based estimates of global temperature trends since the 19th century.”

  171. Richard Bellew says:

    @H.R. re vintage steam engines. Suggest you take a look at kemptonsteam.org. A pair of massive (four floors high!) triple-expansion steam engines. One now restored to working order. Up till 1980 one would run continuously for several months providing all the water for half of London, then they switched over to the other for the next few months. U tube has videos of one starting and running, link at above site. A wonderful example of 1900’s technology.

  172. another ian says:

    Latest Pointman

    “GETTING OUT OF THERE WHILE YOU’VE STILL GOT A SHIRT ON YOUR BACK.”

    https://thepointman.wordpress.com/2022/06/03/getting-out-of-there-while-youve-still-got-a-shirt-on-your-back/

    Some won’t be suprised with this analysis

  173. another ian says:

    E.M. Latest Pointman link in moderation – might be my typing

    [Had an exclamation point before the @ in your email address. – E.M.S.]

  174. another ian says:

    Pointman on solar power

    https://thepointman.wordpress.com/2017/07/21/solaris-two/

    “If there’s no longer a need for somebody like me, an unprepared and veteran dad, dealing with the worst case of flesh dropping off nappy rash he’s ever seen in his life, and it’s all around the ass and vagina of a face down elderly lady of your mother’s age who trusts you, and you’re both working very hard to preserve just a little tweeny shred of dignity while you dab as gently as possible through the pain by telling her your tough guy stories you know she likes to hear, and she’s still game enough to tell you equally tough girly ones back through the hurt, then I’ll know the war is over.

    Until then, ask me again in another five years how I feel about solar f***ing power.”

  175. H.R. says:

    @Richard B. – Yes, I’ve been to their site from the last time steam power came up. That was some amazing engineering! The architecture back when was beautiful, too.

    I am absolutely turned off by Communist Cubicle Depressive Modern architecture. Where are the embellishments that let you look here and there to find some decorative bit or form that pleases the eye and allows you to admire the skill of the craftsmen?


    Oh, I misremembered the interior of that old factory. A gantry crane ran down the center and the pulley shafts ran down the sides. The side pulleys were powered by two belts that ran off a central shaft above the crane.

    I’ve searched, but I can’t find an image close to what that factory was like. Yet our city had factories all over just like it. The main variation in the factories was brick vs iron frame and single-story vs multi-level, which were the brick factories. The brick factories were pretty dark and dank. They had far fewer windows.

  176. David A says:

    Simon says,
    “though there obviously is a large consensus that some entity created all the stuff we see, that may be because as humans we expect things to be caused by something else. There’s however no logical reason why the universe could not have happened by random chance, and that the reason the various constants we have determined have a narrow range of possible values is because they are actually dependent on each other for some reason we haven’t yet understood.”

    I assume you mean “caused by something else” to be different then the inherent basis of logic, of cause and affect, the foundational principle of science. You mean caused by an intelligent conscious decision. Yet perhaps read my post more carefully, as upon reflection, there is logic, and to say there is zero logical reason, is to ignore ones own perceptions and to make profound illogical assumptions. There is no reason to assume randomness. The fundamental logic is as outlined in my post, however it can be simplified.

    The existence of ANY one thing, no matter how small, is in itself a challenge to randomness. Imagine true nothingness, zero energy, zero particles and zero waves of energy, zero vibration, absolute nothingness. As soon as someTHING is, we have science, cause and affect, numbers, and the arrow of time. Nothing cannot cause someTHING, and if one states that any one thing, no matter how small, always was, one breaks logic and the foundational principle of science. So no THING can come from nothing, and noTHING can always have been, as that means it came from nothing, it has no cause.

    However in the cosmos we are not talking about one thing, but literally everything, all energy, all information built into the incredible cosmos we find ourselves to be a part of, being eternally present from the beginning. The beginning of creation. So the quandary of science solving the ultimate verities is twofold, it cannot help but abandon its basis; as the existence of anything demands that something always was, and something always being means that something has no cause.
    And this is inadequate, and one is in effect then stating that everyTHING always was and has no cause ( breaking science) or everything came from nothing, (again breaking science). The other inadequacy of science is its limitation to numbers, it is not designed for infinities, it depends on numbers. It never sees the whole picture. It cannot have finale absolute answers to the ultimate verities, because they demand absolutes, that the arrow of time is broken, that a causeless cause must exist.

    Simon says; –
    “There’s however no logical reason why the universe could not have happened by random chance, and that the reason the various constants we have determined have a narrow range of possible values is because they are actually dependent on each other for some reason we haven’t yet understood.”

    “The main problem with believing that this is all a divine intervention is that it’s an easy answer and thus prevents us looking for a better reason for things being the way they are. We’ve found the answer, Goddidit, so we’re not looking further….”

    I could not disagree more. One cannot take a random ball of all the energy in creation and have it manifest our cosmos, human beings, intelligence, and you and I, as we are stardust, Your existence is evidence of intelligent design. To explain away the incredible fineness of the four known fundamental forces as something that for random reasons had to be, is in my view weak tea. Why would it have to be? If there is no goal, then there are no requirements. Randomness demands randomness. Throwing buckets of paint at a canvas will never create a Rembrandt. The vast cosmic energies themselves demand a beginning, or something beyond cause and effect.

    Humans are made in the image of God, is a tenant common to religion. It is certainly fair to ask, in what way? I think the answer is easier to see than we assume. Science and religion agree that the universe requires incredible information, incredible almost infinite energy and power. And human culture universally and individually seeks this. We seek God. We seek power, both in control of nature, and in our own lives, and we seek knowledge. We also seek love and utility. Love is born of utility. I have written previously of how science needs to observe the difference between pleasure from created desires, that only make one person “happy” such as Mary wants that dress in the shop window, and more universal happiness that occurs universally when we do something of service to others. We seek love. So we are seeking, power, knowledge, and love, or God.

    And our very nature compels us, when looking at the miracle of creation, to try to understand it. The idea of God in no way precludes striving to understand either God or nature, or limits the desire to do so. Indeed it motivates one to look for evidence of intelligent design, and the more we look, the more we find. Having recognized the limitations of science, one can strive for a different epistemology. It is said that the poet approaches intimately what the scientist approaches awkwardly. The common testimony of the various religions mystics should not be ignored. The testimony of near death experiences should be studied. It is not some random brain function shutting down. There are endless examples of un-breathing, zero heartbeat, eyes closed people accurately describing, from a perspective outside their bodies, exactly what medics and people around them were doing while they were comatose. Nor can I ignore my own testimony from my own dear death experience, or the results of mediation discipline over the years post that experience. It is fruitless to tell a person who has tasted an orange, that oranges are not real.

    All the Best…

  177. cdquarles says:

    David nailed it, in my opinion. God, is the Being that IS being. God *must* exist by logical necessity. God is all actuality, too. Everything else is created, which means was only potential until God made it actual, and even then, parts remain potential until those are made actual. We are made in the likeness and image of God. We have intellect, we have being, we have power. These are all tiny compared to God; but we have them. You also have free will. You can reject that; but you can’t reject the consequences of said rejection.

  178. Simon Derricutt says:

    David A – the underlying problem here is that any discussions of origins get into logical loops. Where there is a boundary, there must be *something* beyond that boundary (maybe greener grass, maybe not). Thus if God created everything, how was God created? If Time started at the Big Bang, then what happened in the time before that? If this universe has a boundary, then what is beyond that boundary? It keeps coming back to unanswerable questions. People of course will give an answer, but it’s a guess and essentially not possible to verify.

    As regards the four forces, why 4? I’m assuming here you mean the fields of electrical, magnetic, nuclear, and gravity. I’m fairly sure that gravity is not really a field, but instead is a result of time-rate variation, and I also suspect that the magnetic field is illusory and is really just a relativistic effect of the electric field. However, one of the properties of a field is that it produces order, countering the tendency to disorder and randomness, and without that tendency towards order produced by fields we wouldn’t exist. The fact that we can measure something (such as gravity or magnetic fields) doesn’t mean that we properly understand what it is. Maybe there are actually two fields that produce forces, and maybe there is just one underlying field and we see different aspects of its interactions.

    It’s pleasant to be certain that what we know is right, but really we can never be certain that what we think is true actually is true. Thus unless I can definitely show that some idea is false, I try to not reject it. The way to show that something is wrong is to see what it predicts to happen, and if the prediction is wrong then that theory or idea is wrong. Unfortunately that also means that I need to hold a lot of mutually-conflicting ideas where so far the predictions match experimental results. With Intelligent Design, I don’t see any way of proving it wrong, but that also means there’s no way of knowing it’s right either. It’s actually beyond a scientific discussion, because the answers can’t be tested.

    Of course, if there is no deity, then also good and evil have no real reference either. It stands to sense that a society that has a common belief in a deity that defines good and evil (as the Christian definitions of such) will survive better than one which either has no such belief or believes in something that defines destruction as a good thing to do. Natural selection will favour those communities that have a religion that promotes cooperation.

    With the randomness that is inherent in our universe, anything that can happen will happen at some point. Just give it enough time. Add that to the ordering effect of the fields, and we get structures that self-assemble based on that interplay of the ordering and disordering tendencies. Some of those structures effectively catalyse the building of other molecular structures (DNA and RNA) and we see the structures of life. No real reason, except that it was possible to happen and enough time had passed with enough energy available and some other things varying. It seems likely that our relatively-large Moon was important, thus having larger tides than most planets, but not that it couldn’t have happened on another planet. This idea is testable, in that when we do visit other stars with planets of the right characteristics, we should find evidence of something like life even if it’s only single-celled.

    It’s thus quite possible that it all came about by chance. No reason except that it could happen, so it did. It’s also possible that it was intelligent design, but that gives rise to the question of how that intelligence itself came about. Maybe at some point we’ll know more about it. However, we can’t go back in time to be certain what actually happened to start things off – time is actually not a dimension in the same way that space is, no matter how many stories revolve around time-travel. Thus any account of what happened in the beginning is not actually provable, just a story that seems to match the evidence we currently have.

  179. Ossqss says:

    I hope this works.

  180. E.M.Smith says:

    @Ossqss:

    Literally LOL! Thanks for that…

  181. YMMV says:

    Simon Derricutt: “Of course, if there is no deity, then also good and evil have no real reference either.”

    And there is the crux of the matter. Religion and civilization are the same thing. There are different religions and different civilizations, but we cannot say which is better without some basis of good and evil and there is no absolute basis for that. All we can say, is that left to nature, without religion, it’s red in tooth and claw.

    The communists who want to eliminate religion are red in tooth and claw too, but they just substitute their own religion. It is unescapable.

    Whether God exists or not is not as important as whether the society has a common belief:
    It stands to sense that a society that has a common belief in a deity that defines good and evil […]

    Well said.

  182. jim2 says:

    Monkey Pox Red Flags …

  183. another ian says:

    “Voting With Their Feet”

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2022/06/03/voting-with-their-feet/

    “But will they vote with their heads?”

  184. another ian says:

    “Climate Change Weekly #436: Woke Investing Gets Well-Deserved Pushback”

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2022/06/03/climate-change-weekly-436-woke-investing-gets-well-deserved-pushback/

  185. David A says:

    CD, regarding your commenthttps://chiefio.wordpress.com/2022/05/19/w-o-o-d-19-may-2022/#comment-157282
    Yes, and thank you. As Sherlock Homes was written to say, “When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.” And, as articulated, a “causeless cause” is logically required. It is good that Simon acknowledges;
    “It keeps coming back to unanswerable questions.” – as the 12 inch ruler of the mind, equipped with the by definition limited partial perceptions of science, can neither comprehend the infinite, or deny it. A saint once said to an arrogant skeptic chemist, ( Not a skeptic like our Simon here, or most of the polite thoughtful folk EM attracts) ” I recommend an unheard of experiment, examine your own thoughts unremittingly for 24 hours, and wonder no longer at Gods absence.”

    As mentioned, the biblical admonition, “Seek and you shall find” applies to both scientific and spiritual inquiry, but the tools for spiritual inquiry are different. Spirit requires soul perception, an intuitive knowing that is instant, independent of physical observations, and irrefutable to the soul experiencing it, and the seeking must come from the heart, and a place of humility. “Thou hast hidden these things from the wise and prudent, and revealed them unto babes”

    YMMV commented on the Image of God concept…
    “How does one paint a portrait of someone (say, God) that nobody has ever seen? And add to that the graven image prohibition. Or the possibility that “He” may not even have a face.”
    Well ,yes, being omnipresent it is hard to see how “fallen mankind” is made in the image of an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient spirit. This is especially true for human perception of ages past, limited to the gross physical perceptions, knowing nothing of the fundamental forces, let alone the mysteries of quantum mechanics. As mentioned, the deeper our science goes, the more a non material view of creation appears scientific. ” Sir James Jeans writes in The Mysterious Universe, “ Science is heading towards a non-mechanical reality; the universe begins to look more like a great thought than like a great machine.” Twentieth-century science is thus sounding like a page from the great scriptures. – ” God said, Let there be light” “The earth was without form, and void.”

    I think it wise that Simon acknowledges that those who hold to traditional religious values create a better society, yet I suggest the reasons are broader than the positive reasons articulated by Simon, and a Godless philosophy leads to greater the negative consequences. The “lost soul”, which is still a soul, and so of necessity to his hidden nature, seeks those attributes of the Divine that they are made in the image of, knowledge, power and love. Of these power is the most dangerous, as the ” lost soul” sees it self as a separate power, an individual unconnected except to its ego, limited to its physical form, and so it is “MY knowledge, MY power, MY world. Unaware that all the information in the cosmos was always there, and ignorant that they are the author of none of it, they claim it as their own. And the lust for power becomes lust for power OVER others. The lust for love becomes lost and confused in base physical gratification. The desire for knowledge becomes self centered for a desire for specific knowledge that enables their material desires and addictions, and their power over others. BTW, this is the biblical description of Satan as an archangel cast from God, who claimed the divine attributes as his own, my power, my knowledge, etc… So not only are the positive aspects of selfless service ignored, the negative misery created through destructive selfish desire for power and material desire addictions become systemic throughout society. Such unwise actions create quite the hell on earth.

  186. Simon Derricutt says:

    David A – “When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.” This assumes that you actually know what is impossible, and what isn’t. It also assumes that you have explored the whole parameter-space, and thus have enumerated everything that might be an explanation whether possible, probable, a long shot, or just plain impossible.

    Personally, I’d doubt if we have the capacity to consider all explanations and we don’t know all the things that are actually possible. In my little corner of physics I’ve shown that momentum isn’t always conserved, and thus that energy is also not fundamentally conserved, and it looks to me that in a few months this will become obvious to everyone as the electric thrusters get more powerful and someone actually uses them to make a motor to generate electricity with. As regards heat flows, and turning heat into electricity, I know of three inventions that seriously violate 2LoT at up to kW levels and hopefully will available to buy in a few years. I’m also working on a device that separates the heat in the system into a hotter flow and colder flow without needing energy to do that – also supposed to be impossible. Cheap (and cheap to run) air-conditioning since you only need to put energy in to move the air – the heating or cooling is actually free. Probably somewhat over a year before that will be shown, since there’s some experimental verification to perform. I probably know a disproportionate number of people who are attempting to do stuff that is officially impossible, and quite a few have good results so far.

    Could we tell if we were in a simulation (as The Matrix films suggested)? Or Terry Pratchett’s Disc World? Is the evidence for prehistory laid down by huge machinery, as in Terry Pratchett’s “Strata”?

    Though I think that it’s most likely that the universe works logically and cannot create a paradox, that may not necessarily be true. Thus I reject the theories that involve particles, energy, or data, travelling back in time (and Feynman had one of those). If that worked, I could send this week’s lottery numbers back in time to me a few days earlier and reliably win the lottery whenever desired. That would also mean that the whole future is already determined, with no free will in fact. Yet I can’t say that is an impossible theory, just that the predictions based on it don’t make sense. I reject it as unlikely, but can’t dismiss it as impossible.

    So back to Intelligent Design. It’s an explanation that works as to why things are so finely-balanced. However, I suspect there are other reasons that things are so finely-balanced, and that if we work at this we might find out what they are and how to exploit that to our advantage. With the aircon idea, the underlying principle is to set up two equilibrium situations that, when they exist in the same system, cannot both be satisfied, so that there is a constant circulation with each side heading towards an equilibrium but unable to get there because of the other side. To do that you need a differential in the effects of fields on a material depending on its state. That’s the sort of exploitation I’m talking about – there’s a possibility of getting something for nothing if you know why things work the way they do. Though the TANSTAAFL idea is well-established, that also is not always true.

    I’ve been through periods where I was certain there was a God, but later on realised that it was just my over-active pattern-recognition giving me the impression that there was an overall direction. That doesn’t imply that the existence of that deity is impossible, or that there wasn’t a deliberate act of Creation, but instead puts that theory on the same level as a lot of others. Maybe less useful in physics, though obviously more comforting to us mortals.

    I find it useful to always consider that I might be wrong, and that what I think I know may not be the truth.

  187. David A says:

    Simon yes, of course, nature, in her own domain is practically infinite, and we can into perpetuity discover more and more deeply her secrets. Likewise one should perhaps be open to more than one way of “Knowing”, and not limit understanding to just the scientific method. If Spirit is real and transcendent, (and some of the avenues of testimony to this, both logical and experiential I have referred to) then consider the possibility that one must transcend the limitations of the scientific method, and use Spirit, to find Spirit. I gave hints in the early posts to what this method of “knowing” entails. Although this spiritual epistemology transcends the scientific epistemology, one should not expect to possibly know this, without the spiritual desire and effort required.

  188. Simon Derricutt says:

    David – in the past, I’ve explored the spiritual path, having had friends who were sincere spiritualists (thus talking with spirits) and my brother being a Moony. There’s also the problem of multiple personalities – is this a physical thing where the brain somehow produces those personalities or multiple spirits occupying it? However, the brain I’m equipped with cannot even visualise that blue light or indeed any other object (though unusually I can think in 3D and work out tolerances without actually being able to “see” it), so that path looks to be shut to me anyway. I don’t generally doubt the sincerity of those people who claim to see ghosts, but I can’t see them. I saw faith healing working when my mum called in a faith-healer to try to heal my dad, who had motor-neurone disease. He looked at my dad, and said “I can’t fix that”, but told my mum he could fix her bad neck (she’d been told the bone was worn and was incurable). She never had any problems with it again, and was again able to knit which she hadn’t been able to do for many years. Evidence for something more than science understands.

    If you have read or watched Derren Brown, that’s a scientific demonstration that humans are in general pretty suggestible, and can be led to see things that aren’t there (for example given what they are told are X-ray specs that can see through clothes so everyone appears naked to them). The science of perception is pretty complex, too, as regards what we notice from our surroundings and what we don’t. Underlying message there is that even if there is an eyewitness account, it’s possible it’s not actually what happened. What was seen may not be what a camera would record, and other things that were not seen might be seen on a video of the event. Misdirection is often used by stage magicians. Look – a squirrel!

    There’s Pascal’s Wager, which proposes that the belief in God is a no-lose situation, but there’s also the problem that you can’t will a belief into being. With enough propaganda, you can convince people they believe something, which comes close to them believing it but isn’t quite the same. On the political side, I’m pretty amazed at what people profess to believe is true. It’s pretty obvious that Communism has always failed, and why, yet many people still want to install it again.

    I think your path would be described as Gnostic. My path is of looking hard at what beliefs I have accumulated, and seeing if they have any secure basis, and if not then treating them as unreliable. I’m not rejecting your path as wrong or mistaken, just that it’s not a path I can take. I know how fallible my perceptions are, so need measurements using enough different methods that I can trust it’s actually real.

  189. cdquarles says:

    Something else to consider. A belief is an act of decision, and to me; is a result of intellection, either as induction or deduction or both. Far too many seem to not be aware of that, have forgotten it, or elide over it.

  190. E.M.Smith says:

    At about 15 years old I did a kind of experiment. The walls of my bedroom were a pastel blue. I had a Pole Lamp. I put one red bulb and one dark blue bulb in the lamp. One pointed up, the other pointed down with a bit of overlap. This gave a Purple stripe near the middle.

    One night I was staring at it wondering just where the purple ran out. I noticed that the line seemed to move a bit over time. So I started to try to mentally move it. At first it just moved a few inches each way with “thinking move”. Over a week or so, I got to where I could see the whole wall as purple… then I could move the “line of blue” or the “line of red” until the whole wall was all that color.

    It was a bit of an enlightenment moment. I *knew* the truth was red – purple – blue; but by mental effort I could “see” any combination. FWIW, any white light intrusion destroyed the effect as the built in “white balance method” of the eye would take over.

    @Simon:

    We have similar “truth and validation” systems. I hold a huge number of things other folks “know” or “believe” as “provisional” instead. Almost everything starts out provisional with evidence strength markers and very few things get counted as “known”. I know I only have one egg left in the refrigerator and that I only have one bottle of wine in the fridge. Such facts can be known. I believe it is Australian wine as the label says it is (19 Crimes Chard.) but there’s the possibility of fraud in the wings. So a very high probability marker, but not “known” to 100%. Well into the 99.99% though. I “think” that CoM is to be mostly treated as inviolate for anything day-to-day (rather like Newtonian Mechanics) but accept that their is a small possibility of it having an edge case (as Relativity is to Newtonian) where we just don’t know yet (but evidence is accumulating).

    I “hope” UAP / UFOs are actually Space Aliens watching us as I’d really like to know there was intelligent live elsewhere in the Universe (evidence for it here on Earth decreasing daily ;-) but I accept that it is very possibly just errors of observation and equipment, and somewhat more likely a very advanced secret military project. I don’t “know” anything much about them at all since it could range anywhere from Error to Media Hoax to Mil Project to Space Aliens and that’s a very broad brush.

    So everything gets layers of validity value like that. I have very high odds on the coffee in my tub being enough for tomorrow, but know it might go bad if left too long. Near certainty that I’ve got enough food for the rest of the month, but expect there to be lots more in the Publix (and also suspect there might be some future shortages due to a Stupidity Of Politicians in D.C / UN). But none of it is a 100% Guaranteed Truth. That Gold Ring is reserved for very few things.

    I note that this is in exact opposition to most folks who are ranking things as 100% Certain Knowledge of just about everything in their Brain Database, despite a lot of it being errors, wrong, shallow crib notes not the whole deal, outdated, etc. etc.

    Oh Well.

  191. YMMV says:

    UFOs and Space Aliens. I know nothing, and I suspect that is universal. However, EVERYBODY “knows” what they look like. And what a flying saucer looks like.

    That is the power of an artist’s imagination. Just like we know what Santa Claus looks like. It’s a tradition.

    So when we paint (or imagine) an image of God, what do we have? A tradition with zero basis.
    I would like to believe that Michelangelo painted his own face where God’s face was supposed to be. Why not? It was his own act of creation. The truth is probably that the Greeks did it. They already had the Zeus traditions, so they being the first to image God, made him a Greek with a white beard.

  192. Simon Derricutt says:

    EM – the logic for CoM is simple. The force is transferred only through a field. Since the propagation rate of that force is limited to the speed of light, then if the field is changing (such as a wave) then the action and reaction will not necessarily be equal and opposite. In most situations, the field used is constant, so momentum is normally conserved. To violate CoM, it helps to use a high-frequency wave and to get the distances right over which the forces are transmitted so the time-delays are optimal. There are other ways, too. This is just the most-obvious way to show that momentum is not fundamentally conserved. It follows that energy is also not fundamentally conserved. These rules normally apply, but we can engineer situations where they don’t. Thus we can drop that belief and figure out a design that does those things.

    The electric thrusters have a different theory behind them, but in practice work. The “leaky capacitor” type are simple and cheap, too. Yep, so far I haven’t proved them myself, but I do trust the people who did the experiments to have measured it well and to have told the truth.

    Interesting thing is that hoverboards look possible. Apart from being able to generate electricity without needing fuel, things could get interesting soon. Not a curse this time.

  193. E.M.Smith says:

    @Simon:

    I’m thinking THz em waves making Sonon? waves in the skin of a solid … IF you can make it a Tooth Wave with square rise and slower fall, might find differential effects…

    You push really really fast and hard on the electrons in the metal, then let them relax at their own rate. One ought to be faster relative to the quantum state of inertia than the other…

    Might explain some of those “craft” designs with microwaves injected inside a metal skin. They didn’t mention frequency or wave shape much, so others could try and fail… using sin waves and MHz…

  194. E.M.Smith says:

    Gee… seems a Mom at Uvalde who was handcuffed for ASKING to go in to rescue her kids, after being released, did just that; then after it was all over, the police called up and said she would b charged with “obstruction of justice” if she told anyone.
    https://redstate.com/bonchie/2022/06/04/mother-handcuffed-by-police-in-uvalde-speaks-out-drops-a-barn-burner-accusation-n574734

    Also said she heard gunshots in the classroom while she was outside and while inside the school getting her kids out; putting the lie to the police claim that all the shooting was done in the first few minutes.

    What I want to know: Did the Police Captain (or whoever he was on sight) who ordered a Stand Down ever donate to the Democrats OR support a Democratic Candidate? Do his (or his office’s) phone records show any pre-event contact with well placed DNC “operatives” or agencies?

    I’m reaching the point where, for “Horrible Events” with strong political effects: Never attribute to stupidity that which can adequately be explained by Political Gain & Malice.

  195. Simon Derricutt says:

    EM – needs to get accelerations of the electrons up above 1E+19 m/s squared, so field strengths somewhere around 10-100MV/m. Looks like a saw-tooth wave might also be useful to get into the non-linear region and thus see a momentum effect. On the other hand, the leaky capacitor design is pretty cheap and simple, and works. KISS. I know of at least four people with different theories and methods, some of which I’m certain work, others high probability.

    As regards UFOs, there have been quite a few shapes seen, rather than just one. Some of those sightings probably real, but could be human military tests. Then again, some odd stuff in old carvings and pictures, and the Egyptians had dog-face gods. Can’t rule out ET. It’s just that I’d expect to have quite a bit more evidence if that was so.

    Still, with the ability to produce a reactionless thrust with just a leaky capacitor, it may have been accidentally discovered pretty often. Maybe lost when the device crashed, since flying was always dangerous if the machine failed. Methods using GHz or THz take a higher tech base.

    Flying through space, you’d probably have something fairly round. Just less material needed.

  196. Simon Derricutt says:

    Just a bit too many bad smells about Uvalde. When seconds count, the police are only minutes away, but they may stand around for an hour or so until it’s safe for them to clean up the mess.

    Then again, with all the talk of de-funding the police, and uncertainty if the perpetrator is one of the colours they are allowed to shoot at, maybe morale was somewhat low. Might be an unplanned result of the political skulduggery.

  197. David A says:

    Simon, in no way do I dispute the need to verify. I am suggesting that it is very logical to be in the I don’t know camp. Truth and introspection are close cousins. i am suggesting a logical framework that the truth of spiritual reality exists in a different domain than material proof. How much and what effort one makes in that direction is entirely an individual decision. (Ghosts , paranormal, lights etc is IMV dubious, ” The path to the divine is not a circus” Learning to be still, to meditate, to withdraw the life force from the sensory motor nerves into the cerebral spinal centers through devotional meditation, may bear more fruit. ( In sleep we do this subconsciously, in meditation consciously.

    That was an interesting story about the faith healing…
    “He looked at my dad, and said “I can’t fix that”, but told my mum he could fix her bad neck (she’d been told the bone was worn and was incurable). She never had any problems with it again, and was again able to knit which she hadn’t been able to do for many years. Evidence for something more than science understands.”

    It puts a curious question mark on your later statement…
    “but there is also the problem that you can’t will a belief into being.”

    The mysteries of the mind! In truth very little is accomplished without will and belief. Dreams are interesting. In our dreams we manifest our experience quite precisely. Indeed, in dreams knowing, knower and known are one, the dreamer. (worth reflecting on)

    The One believer that manifest the cosmos may have place quite to strong of a pattern on this creation to be influenced by weak ego driven minds, yet there is little question that thoughts hooked to will, hooked to action produce a great deal.

  198. another ian says:

    “Neil Oliver, When You Accept That Modern Western Government Considers Citizens Their Enemy, Then All the Outcomes Make Sense
    June 4, 2022 | Sundance | 41 Comments”

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/06/04/neil-oliver-when-you-accept-that-modern-western-government-considers-citizens-their-enemy-then-all-the-outcomes-make-sense/

  199. another ian says:

    Russell B – “Trudeau Mercilessly Mocked!”

    Via http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2022/06/04/trudeau-mercilessly-mocked/

  200. another ian says:

    “Common Sense”

    “”It’s time for common sense gun control” – Any politician, anywhere, every time.

    Is that so? We now think that law should be applied to what someone — anyone or some group of people — call “common sense.”

    Perhaps you’d like to square this with a few other common sense facts.

    First, all manner of things related to sex.

    It is common sense that one’s sex is determined at conception and at any time beyond that point is immutable. One either has “XY” or “XX” sex chromosomes and in a very, very small percentage of cases has a disorder in that you have some other combination (e.g. XXY, etc.) Therefore there are exactly two sexes and any attempt to claim otherwise, especially when it produces an obligation of others, ought to be prohibited by law — right?”

    More at

    https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=246039

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  202. H.R. says:

    @Simon and David – I am really appreciating the… well, debate on some points and discussion of a lot of other elements of the problem. I haven’t had much to add,

    I did want to comment on this by David:
    “[I] am suggesting a logical framework that the truth of spiritual reality exists in a different domain than material proof.”

    I always thought that the laws of the physical world do not apply in the spiritual world. It is very difficult for us in the physical world to realize that nothing here is of help in knowing the spiritual world. We cannot comprehend the spiritual world. Most religions maintain that what we know of the spiritual world were given to us by emissaries from the spiritual world in the form of analogies, so we could attempt to get clue using concepts we can and do understand.

    So there is a “curtain” of separation between the spiritual world and the physical world. What some say is that there are some holes in that curtain and we can get a tiny peek into the spiritual world. David refers to some personal experience with this and of course there are numerous accounts from others all over the world over recorded history.

    On the main, we here are locked out of the spiritual world while we are in the physical world. But what is interesting that men and women and all of the religious texts maintain that, and give accounts of the spiritual world being able to enter into the physical world and act upon it.

    So how does the spiritual world get a pass to see and act on us and we’re stuck on the physical side of the curtain? (Note that this question just came to me as a result of the David/Simon ongoing exchange.)

    For now, having not had much time to ponder the question, it would seem that the spiritual world is eternal and this physical world is finite in time, albeit a very long time, but finite. Something from the eternal can make a physical, non-eternal construct as a labor of love. The spiritual side can shape, or plant and let grow, or interact and prune, and saw things off and glue things on in this physical world because it is theirs (or ‘His’). We can understand that because many of us have worked on projects that are labors of love, often with no purpose other than to satisfy the maker. It’s still just an analogy, but that’s all we have to work with from our side of the curtain.

    I figure it’s a one-way street because we in the finite world did not create the spiritual world but we were created by the spiritual world.


    Anyhow, I thought this latest part of the discussion was particularly interesting, but had not discussed the ‘curtain’ between the worlds.

    Me? I believe there are two worlds. Since I’m in the physical world, I should do what is expected in the physical world and I’m free to explore it as much or as little as I want. I also think I have a spiritual part that came from the spiritual world. The physical world is a place to test spirits and the opportunity of experiencing the joys and sorrows and pain and delight of the physical world is a gift as well as a test.

    I do believe there are holes in the curtain, but I’m not interested in peeking. I think the spiritual world interacts at least a little and maybe a lot with the physical world and the instructions have come (pretty much the principles of the 10 Commandments, but we’re free to do better than that) to do the best you can and ask the spiritual supreme being for forgiveness where you’ve failed. So that’s the code I follow.

    Then the spiritual part of someone who has had the opportunity to be in the physical world for a time is accepted back if the time was well-spent and the spirit improved by the experience. If your spirit has been corrupted by its time here, then you are aren’t accepted back to the spiritual world. So hell is just one’s spirit tossed in the dustbin of eternal nothingness. That would suck for eternity, and eternity is a long time. There really isn’t an analogy for that feeling or concept. ‘Hell’ is about the best we can do.


    This discussion started with universal physical laws and creation or coincidence. It has branched off a bit, so thanks David and Simon!

    Your two most recent exchange of comments were the opening to this rabbit hole that interests me, and I wanted to poke a stick down that hole just a little way.

    Far, far smarter and wiser people have pondered and debated this from the time long before Solomon (“What is the duty of man? To serve the Lord and keep his commandments.”). You might recognize my ramblings if you see them as me pondering aspects of the age-old question, “Why are we here?”

    You two haven’t touched on that so much as the “who, what, when, where,” and I’ve introduced the “why” part.

    /feet-up-on-cracker-barrel while pondering life, the universe, and everything including the Cub’s chances this year

  203. another ian says:

    Compare and contrast

    “Great story from one of Her Majesty’s former police protection detectives Richard Griffin”

    https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2022/06/great-story-from-one-of-her-majestys-former-police-protection-detectives-richard-griffin.html

  204. David A says:

    HR, thank you for your thoughtful comment. The question,
    “So how does the spiritual world get a pass to see and act on us and we’re stuck on the physical side of the curtain?” and your response is, IMV, just fine. ( Ohm and yes, I see this conversion with Simon as a discussion more than a debate. “Fool argue, wise men discuss…”

    The idea of the cosmos as a creative expression is actually very clear in India’s Vedic tradition. Essentially they teach that God, through a desireless desire (another paradox) created his Lila, or play. And spirit had only its own nature, ( infinite knowledge energy power and will ) to use as the substance of creation. So, in order to manifest the unmanifest, the divine had to place a false vale called Maya, present in every aspect of the cosmos. The “why” is indeed taught as creative expression, and a manifestation of love, to love and be loved requires a duality. This vale is what makes the one appear dual. It is perhaps best written about here by Yogananda in “Autobiography of a Yogi”…

    ” The ancient Vedic scriptures declare that the physical world operates under one fundamental law of maya, the principle of relativity and duality. God, the Sole Life, is an Absolute Unity; He cannot appear as the separate and diverse manifestations of a creation except under a false or unreal veil. That cosmic illusion is maya. Every great scientific discovery of modern times has served as a confirmation of this simple pronouncement of the rishis.

    “Newton’s Law of Motion is a law of maya: “To every action there is always an equal and contrary reaction; the mutual actions of any two bodies are always equal and oppositely directed.” Action and reaction are thus exactly equal. “To have a single force is impossible. There must be, and always is, a pair of forces equal and opposite.”

    “Fundamental natural activities all betray their mayic origin. Electricity, for example, is a phenomenon of repulsion and attraction; its electrons and protons are electrical opposites. Another example: the atom or final particle of matter is, like the earth itself, a magnet with positive and negative poles. The entire phenomenal world is under the inexorable sway of polarity; no law of physics, chemistry, or any other science is ever found free from inherent opposite or contrasted principles.”

    “Physical science, then, cannot formulate laws outside of maya, the very texture and structure of creation. Nature herself is maya; natural science must perforce deal with her ineluctable quiddity. In her own domain, she is eternal and inexhaustible; future scientists can do no more than probe one aspect after another of her varied infinitude. Science thus remains in a perpetual flux, unable to reach finality; fit indeed to formulate the laws of an already existing and functioning cosmos, but powerless to detect the Law Framer and Sole Operator. The majestic manifestations of gravitation and electricity have become known, but what gravitation and electricity are, no mortal knoweth.”

    “To surmount maya was the task assigned to the human race by the millennial prophets. To rise above the duality of creation and perceive the unity of the Creator was conceived of as man’s highest goal. Those who cling to the cosmic illusion must accept its essential law of polarity: flow and ebb, rise and fall, day and night, pleasure and pain, good and evil, birth and death. This cyclic pattern assumes a certain anguishing monotony, after man has gone through a few thousand human births; he begins to cast a hopeful eye beyond the compulsions of maya.”

    “To tear the veil of maya is to pierce the secret of creation. The yogi who thus denudes the universe is the only true monotheist. All others are worshiping heathen images. So long as man remains subject to the dualistic delusions of nature, the Janus-faced Maya is his goddess; he cannot know the one true God.”
    (My comment, this is also the biblical view of Satan, as Maya, ” a liar from the beginning” ( the beginning of creation) the “not truth” that causes the false ego of “I do, my power, my , my my…

    “The world illusion, maya, is individually called avidya, literally, “not-knowledge,” ignorance, delusion. Maya or avidya can never be destroyed through intellectual conviction or analysis, but solely through attaining the interior state of nirbikalpa samadhi. The Old Testament prophets, and seers of all lands and ages, spoke from that state of consciousness. Ezekiel says (43:1-2): “Afterwards he brought me to the gate, even the gate that looketh toward the east: and, behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east: and his voice was like a noise of many waters: and the earth shined with his glory.” Through the divine eye in the forehead (east), the yogi sails his consciousness into omnipresence, hearing the Word or Aum, divine sound of many waters or vibrations which is the sole reality of creation.”

    MY COMMENT HERE>>>I have always rejected the conceptual understanding of hell and eternal damnation. If we are created, then Spirit is ultimately responsible for Its creation. Also as Spirit is omnipresent one cannot be, in truth, separate from spirit. Therefore hell is a false state of limited false perception, and “condemned to eternal damnation,” is actions that keep one in a place subject to the perpetual flux, pleasure pain, etc… “Eternal damnation” is not the same as being eternally there. It is a state of being where as long as one is in that state, there will always be pain, suffering loss, because of the transitory dualistic nature of maya. None are lost for eternity. And ultimately we see our pain hurts as temporary, and this earth experience as a dream, where we bumped our dream head against a dream wall, and experienced a dream hurt. All cultures describe near death experiences where the soul realizes this. Thus being sent to eternal damnation, does not mean sent there eternally. ” To him that overcometh, will I make a pillar in my Father’s house, and he shall go out no more”

    Concerning spiritual experience through transcending the duality of contrasting principles, the requirements expressed in Eastern and Western religion are said to be seeking or desiring it, stillness, to where the body becomes breathless, and a pure heart achieved through surrender, and singular desire. The “I do” becomes “He does through me” The soul sees its attributes as a part and parcel of the Divine, both a gift and a birth right.

    “For every humbling blow he dealt my vanity, for every tooth in my metaphorical jaw he knocked loose with stunning aim, I am grateful beyond any facility of expression. The hard core of human egotism is hardly to be dislodged except rudely. With its departure, the Divine finds at last an unobstructed channel. In vain It seeks to percolate through flinty hearts of selfishness.”

    Here is an example of the unique way in which Yogananda interpreted scripture..
    “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”—John 1:1.▲

    “For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son.”—John 5:22. “No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.”—John 1:18. “Verily, verily, I say unto you, he that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.”—John 14:12. “But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said to you.”—John 14:26.
    “These Biblical words refer to the threefold nature of God as Father, Son, Holy Ghost (Sat, Tat, Aum in the Hindu scriptures). God the Father is the Absolute, Unmanifested, existing beyond vibratory creation. God the Son is the Christ Consciousness (Brahma or Kutastha Chaitanya) existing within vibratory creation; this Christ Consciousness is the “only begotten” or sole reflection of the Uncreated Infinite. Its outward manifestation or “witness” is Aum or Holy Ghost, the divine, creative, invisible power which structures all creation through vibration. Aum the blissful Comforter is heard in meditation and reveals to the devotee the ultimate Truth.

    This is a testimony of that state…
    “My body became immovably rooted; breath was drawn out of my lungs as if by some huge magnet. Soul and mind instantly lost their physical bondage, and streamed out like a fluid piercing light from my every pore. The flesh was as though dead, yet in my intense awareness I knew that never before had I been fully alive. My sense of identity was no longer narrowly confined to a body, but embraced the circumambient atoms. People on distant streets seemed to be moving gently over my own remote periphery. The roots of plants and trees appeared through a dim transparency of the soil; I discerned the inward flow of their sap.”

    “The whole vicinity lay bare before me. My ordinary frontal vision was now changed to a vast spherical sight, simultaneously all-perceptive. Through the back of my head I saw men strolling far down Rai Ghat Road, and noticed also a white cow who was leisurely approaching. When she reached the space in front of the open ashram gate, I observed her with my two physical eyes. As she passed by, behind the brick wall, I saw her clearly still.”

    “All objects within my panoramic gaze trembled and vibrated like quick motion pictures. My body, Master’s, the pillared courtyard, the furniture and floor, the trees and sunshine, occasionally became violently agitated, until all melted into a luminescent sea; even as sugar crystals, thrown into a glass of water, dissolve after being shaken. The unifying light alternated with materializations of form, the metamorphoses revealing the law of cause and effect in creation.”

    “An oceanic joy broke upon calm endless shores of my soul. The Spirit of God, I realized, is exhaustless Bliss; His body is countless tissues of light. A swelling glory within me began to envelop towns, continents, the earth, solar and stellar systems, tenuous nebulae, and floating universes. The entire cosmos, gently luminous, like a city seen afar at night, glimmered within the infinitude of my being. The sharply etched global outlines faded somewhat at the farthest edges; there I could see a mellow radiance, ever-undiminished. It was indescribably subtle; the planetary pictures were formed of a grosser light.”

    “The divine dispersion of rays poured from an Eternal Source, blazing into galaxies, transfigured with ineffable auras. Again and again I saw the creative beams condense into constellations, then resolve into sheets of transparent flame. By rhythmic reversion, sextillion worlds passed into diaphanous luster; fire became firmament.”

    “I cognized the center of the empyrean as a point of intuitive perception in my heart. Irradiating splendor issued from my nucleus to every part of the universal structure. Blissful amrita, the nectar of immortality, pulsed through me with a quicksilverlike fluidity. The creative voice of God I heard resounding as Aum, 1 the vibration of the Cosmic Motor.”

    For me, that is the general picture…

  205. Simon Derricutt says:

    H.R – the problem I see with personal “transcendent” experiences is that we can’t really check them. Different people will see different things when it comes to detail, even if a lot of the main points might be cross-checked. That could be a result of shared myths, though, and someone with a different culture may not agree on the main points even.

    Only one at maximum of the main religions can be correct, and my bet is that they’re all wrong in the detail (bit like looking at climate models here). Add in all the various gurus and religious leaders, who also largely don’t fully agree yet maintain that they each have the Truth, and there are as many opinions as there are leaders (and even followers may not agree with their leaders).

    Personally, I don’t understand how that lump of greyish tissue in my head can achieve consciousness, and that feeling of self, or how it is possible that memories are stored and recalled using this structure. Seems pretty unlikely, and so the idea that this just acts as an antenna and receiver for the soul is not unreasonable, but then that pushes the miracle a bit further in that something we can’t see or weigh and has no obvious substance is actually the seat of all the consciousness and self-ness, and also holds the memories that make us human. However, brain damage shows changes in personality and memories, and though you can explain that by saying the antenna is damaged it does seem more likely that the processes in the brain are the actual cause of consciousness and memories. If you’ve watched someone with Alzheimer’s over years, as the personality changes and the memories go, it seems more likely to be a brain thing than a spirit thing.

    Taking the physical side as all there is is somewhat depressing. It implies that our personalities are a process that simply stops when the brain dies. Bit like blowing a candle out – where does the flame go? So much nicer if you can believe that the essential “you” doesn’t die at the same time. Also so much nicer if you believe that there’s a purpose for all this and a reason for it to happen. Also, as I said earlier, such beliefs do improve the chances of humanity to continue to survive, since that depends on cooperation and “goodness” to others.

    Christian Heaven :- people standing around singing praises all the time. Might be OK for someone who spent his time watching sheep and guarding against wolves, but bound to get a bit boring even then. Another day in an eternity of standing around singing…. Me, I’d want to be doing something useful, like finding out ways to do “impossible” things in physics, but then if you already at that point know everything there’s nothing new to find out. I’d be absolutely sure Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy were simply stories without any foundation, too. Might get some relief from the boredom by meddling in the affairs of the living, so I’d likely do that, but if so then billions of other souls would be doing that today and we’d notice that amount of meddling. Thus seems unlikely that the dead can actually interfere with the living, because if they could they’d be doing that 24/7 (no sleep needed) to relieve the boredom of there being nothing new happening.

    Thus take the theory and run predictions based on that theory, and see if any of them are true. It’s what I do in physics to see if a theory looks valid.

    David – yep, the discussion is interesting, and it’s because it’s actually pretty central that I’ve done quite a bit of thinking on this in the past. If you start with a lone deity, it would be pretty boring (somewhat like in jail in solitary confinement, but even less interesting since you haven’t even got meals or bed-time to look forward to), so creating something that’s other, and where you don’t control it so it can surprise you with what happens, is a logical progression. Wen the eternally surprised (yep, Terry Pratchett’s books have a lot of deeper stuff in them that maybe most people miss).

    Newton’s laws of motion are flawed. Not surprising really – he didn’t know that light had a limiting speed or that forces are transmitted by fields. It’s possible to get the action and reaction unequal and even not opposite, and thus the effect of a single force. It’s also possible to produce an actual single force rather than two forces that happen to be in the same direction. The universe is somewhat weirder than Newton understood. Thus that law of duality is also flawed, even though we normally define dualities such as light and dark when it’s actually light and not-light and thus we invent a duality where there actually isn’t one. Funny thing there is that dark is faster, since it’s already there when the light arrives…. Gravity probably isn’t an actual field, though we define it as such and think that it is. Magnetism probably isn’t a field either, but a relativistic effect of the electric field. I expect we’ll find out more about these things, though it seems very hard for science to drop old ideas that have been superseded. People learn what’s true when young, and hold onto it even in the face of contrary evidence.

    As regards those out-of-body experiences, I’ve known people who say they can do it at will. Known as Astral Projection. However, I haven’t done any proper checks to see if what they experience can be matched to things that have changed since they were last physically in the place they said they astral-travelled to. There have been official tests (see “Men who stare at goats”) since being able to spy on rivals undetected and without needing to move a body there would be a strategic advantage, but results have been somewhat weak. Then again, if it worked, we wouldn’t know about it, so possibly it works with some people. Again, evidence here is unavailable though there are many rumours and talk of secret files. Read stuff by Uri Geller, who was involved in some tests, but bear in mind that he’s a stage magician and that Derren Brown has shown that it’s possible to gain a lot of information from people from micro-expressions, and that if someone in the room knew the “correct” answers he could get access to that by reading their reactions.

    For near-death experiences, one surgeon has put pictures on top of the cupboards, so if a spirit was really floating above the operating table they’d be visible then, but not to someone walking in. So far, AFAIK, no-one has described what’s on those pictures. They’re changed every so often. I used to have a link to that study a few years ago, but not on this box. Someone else tried measuring the weight of someone during the death process, to see if there was a weight loss. Since the heart produces an impulse force that is also measured as weight, easy to confound that measurement, but again AFAIK the average weight measurement before death and the weight after death remained the same. Thus currently no irrefutable evidence for that near-death experience being reality rather than being created by the (now alive again) brain to fill the gap. Our brains are actually pretty good at filling gaps in reality, so you don’t normally notice when you blink. If you switch your gaze to a clock with a second-hand, at times you’ll notice that the first second takes somewhat longer than you expect (because the gap before you start to actually see what’s there rather than the brain’s construct of what’s there is a significant part of a second, so if the tick happens in that “dead time” you see the second-hand on the next second before it’s actually arrived there).

    And yet, as I said, there’s stuff I can’t explain away. As regards UFOs, back in July 2017 I saw a blue-green light fly over here at around 1am. Silent, somewhat oval, and an angular size of around 10′ (a third the size of the Moon), and was visible for around 3-4 seconds. It wasn’t a jet, or Venus, or a balloon, or an inversion effect (first sight of it was almost-overhead). I’d probably figure it as being a plasma-thruster, thus human technology and not ET.

    Diversity is a good thing. It would be a problem if we all thought the same way (boring again, with no possibility of discussions) or believed the same credo. More chance of someone getting things right when we come from a different angle.

  206. philjourdan says:

    @Simon – Re: “but there is also the problem that you can’t will a belief into being.”

    I totally and STRONGLY disagree! The power of faith can move mountains. Throughout history, there are examples of completely unexplained things happening that science has to this day not explained. Fatima Lourdes, and indeed if we are to believe the bible, ,Jesus himself.. Was it God? Or the power of the mind? I do not know. Do you? Be honest.

    Before the Church recognizes something is a Miracle, they put it through the most severe testing possible by some of the best scientists in the world (who also happen to be Priests since they are in the business of debunking cults!) It is only after Science, and to this day, modern science, has failed to explain something that they move it up a notch to “maybe”. But it takes a lot more than just failure to explain it scientifically before The Church moves it to “Miracle”.

    But what is a miracle? It could be someone “willing a belief into being”. A belief that they are healed? And then become healed?

    Trust in science (not the crap of the woke, real science), but understand that science teaches us we don’t know a hell of a lot more than we do know.

  207. Simon Derricutt says:

    Phil – I did mention that there’s stuff I can’t explain scientifically. There’s also the point that I’ve been finding out ways of doing things long regarded as being impossible, and following the progress of other people attempting (and sometimes succeeding) to do “impossible” stuff. Thus the status of being “impossible” and not being explainable by current theory isn’t really evidence of a miracle, just that we don’t know why it happened. There is of course a lot we don’t know, and the more I’ve learned the more I realise how much more there is to learn.

    What’s normally termed “faith healing” (though Eric Waite said he didn’t like that term when he treated my mum, and termed himself just a healer) obviously works for some people. Also, we should note that a lot of the people who claim to be able to do it can’t. I’ve no idea why it works, only that for some people (and some ailments) it does work. Some things, like spontaneous cures for cancer, might be explained since the body normally produces cancerous cells and normally removes them before they grow too much, so if a cancer does grow then the normal body defences aren’t working correctly and possibly some nudge might kick-start those normal removal processes. How that nudge happens, I don’t know. In some cases, since we know that cancer cells are less able to withstand higher temperatures, catching the ‘flu and getting a high fever may preferentially kill the cancer cells and thus cure someone, and so there’s a general possibility of a localised heating doing the job, too. Normal chemotherapy cancer treatments exploit this more-fragile aspect of cancer cells, by dosing with a poison that normal cells can just withstand but cancer cells succumb to.

    If we find out why these things happen, then we can repeat them and do them reliably. To find out what’s really happening, we need to drop our beliefs about what’s happening and look at the evidence without any belief, thus trying to see it without preconceptions about what is possible and impossible. Any measurements have limitations, in that in order to measure something we need to change something in some way, and different measurement methods can give a different aspect or result. May need new measurement methods in order to be able to indicate that something is happening that we didn’t realise before because of the previous methods of measurement. Thus maybe for the spiritual stuff we simply haven’t currently got a way of detecting it, so we see things happen without an apparent cause.

    It’s thus possible that if we don’t accept the explanation of “it’s a miracle” or “Goddidit” but instead do enough investigation, we might find an actual explanation that works and is repeatable. It might need new measurement methods, and a deeper understanding of how things really work, and it might take a long time to find out and some serendipity. However, maybe the first thing to accept that if it happens at all then it’s not impossible even if we don’t know why it’s possible.

  208. E.M.Smith says:

    @Simon:

    FWIW, I see no difference between “God Did It” and “I Found / Know The Mechanism”. To say “I know therefore God is not involved” ignores the possible that you simply observed how God acted.

    Part of my personal world view is that there is no conflict between “Science” and “God”. Science is simply our result of study of the methods of the God Force (whatever it may be). Then, while we don’t know if there’s a God Persona pondering each and every one of us, or if the God Force is just the first mover of the Big Bang: we can know that in the beginner there were the laws of physics and “constants” of the universe, that result in cosmology, chemistry, biology and eventually us.

    So the mystery of where those first properties and laws of nature came from is also the mystery of God. The “spoken into being”… be it a personified ponderer or an accident of reality, it just is.

    “Reality just is. -E.M.S.”

    Learning the nature of reality and the operation of the mechanism is to study the face and hand of God, IMHO.

  209. Simon Derricutt says:

    EM – the point I was making was a bit different, in that stopping with the explanation of Goddidit is less useful than instead trying to find out why it happens (so it becomes repeatable).

    I certainly can’t eliminate the possibility that everything began with a Word, so it remains among the possible explanations. I also use the explanation that Reality just is.

    Interesting article at https://phys.org/news/2022-06-scientists-breakthrough-life-earthand-mars.html that implies that RNA self-assembles on the right rocks, which obviously leads to life processes. This again does not remove that possibility of a Creator who set things up so that this was both possible and likely to happen.

    AFAICT, there’s no way to go back in time to the beginnings and thus to be sure of what happened then. It’s all conjecture. Thus also not really that much point in discussion since we cannot resolve which idea is true. One belief is as valid as another. Some ideas may be more useful than others, and have better predictive value.

    According to quantum theory (and some others) our atoms all overlap, with the implication that the whole universe is actually one thing. OK, that might actually only apply up to the Hubble limit, so only really the part of the universe we can actually see, but that’s still pretty big. Possibility of information passing instantly between all atoms in our universe, therefore. That’s a thought to conjure with.

  210. H.R. says:

    Simon D.: “AFAICT, there’s no way to go back in time to the beginnings and thus to be sure of what happened then. It’s all conjecture. Thus also not really that much point in discussion since we cannot resolve which idea is true. One belief is as valid as another. Some ideas may be more useful than others, and have better predictive value.”

    That’s the ‘how’ and ‘when’ part, which I find quite interesting, but I find the how and when of fishing more interesting than that of creation. 😉

    I find the “why are we here” part interesting. We’re only here for an eyeblink in time, and then we are gone. What; are we just to enjoy the ride? Yes! But I don’t think that is all there is to life. That gives rise to doing whatever one wants; rob, rape, or kill for no reason other than pleasing oneself. If there is a creator and a plan, I don’t think that was the primary purpose of the plan.

    I think we’re supposed not just to stand around here, but make ourselves useful. I think working in a coffee shop and spreading morning cheer to a bunch of groggy, grumpy people contributes to making one little patch of the world and the people there just a little bit better. I think we are supposed to hate sparingly and only in appropriate circumstances (“Hate what is evil. Hold fast to what is good.”).

    Now, to what purpose? That’s where there are dozens of different religions disagreeing on the details. Get to heaven? Advance on the wheel of life? Achieve Oneness with God?

    Why we are here has two general answers. One is that we are here for a purpose and the other is that there’s no particular reason. The first implies a higher being or realm that gives marching orders. The second implies that you should party hearty until the ride is over and that you’re only here to please yourself.

  211. David A says:

    Simon, your last post was both interesting, humorous, and illustrative.
    Take “Only one at maximum of the main religions can be correct,”

    Not necessarily. When it comes to human belief there will always be polarity. In India they say Hinduism is all things to all people. Likewise Christianity itself has divided into sects. Add to that the concept of the four blind men describing an elephant, all contradictory, but each one accurate.
    However brilliant men have focused on the similarities, and they are both extensive, and most fundamental. I once gave EM a book, titled Vedic Mathematics. Within it this very brilliant man articulated the deep similarities of Christianity and Hindu thought. I think it was Kipling who is quoted as saying “East is East, and West is West, and never shall the twain meet.” However the rest of the quote is, “However when a wise man from the East and a wise man from the West meet, then the twain shall always meet.”

    It is my view that you will never verify spiritual truth through science, or the experience of others. I have explained why in some detail. However you can find much evidence of intelligence within observation of the cosmos. But spiritual truth must be, by definition, beyond the material. The material MUST be transcended. ” God is spirit, he must be known in Spirit.” Your physician’s pictures on a shelf experiment is curious, but unlikely to produce results. Most that die to not come back, Most that come back do not see themselves, or those around them, often going directly into the feeling of a tunnel, and light, a Judgement – ( the presentation of the good and bad of their lives, depicted as presented in a peaceful loving non judgmental way whereby all that was thought important is meaningless, and littlest things, small acts of kindness are extolled as vastly important.) However with the literature is exactly what I described earlier, all of the above, plus accurate descriptions of things not seen physically. As mentioned, this is from every nation race and religion plus atheist and agnostics. Consider that many tens of millions die annually.

    Considering the duality of nature I do not think you have your case at all. All the fundamental particles are composed of, or present this duality or plural nature of contrasting features, either positive or negative, or , as with neutrinos, anti neutrinos, matter anti matter. All the atomic and subatomic wave – particles and forces carry or relate to contrasting principles. You may find this interesting…

    Your concept of a fear of boredom with singing hymns for eternity was both amusing, and a concern directly addressed within a deeper ideal of religion. God is described as ever existent, ever conscious, ever NEW joy, or bliss, delightfully varied throughout eternity. One poet described that a thousand millions cocktails cannot approach that joy. ( Within that experience is articulated personal intimacy of shared experience, love, joy, knowledge, ” peace that surpasses understanding” and infinity itself – inconceivable awe-filled grander and power, no end, and ever new. ” A tiny bubble of laughter, I am become the sea of mirth itself.” Infinity is, by its nature, never boring or exhausted.

  212. Simon Derricutt says:

    H.R. – personally, I act as if there is a higher purpose, since I’d like my daughter to have a better life. I’d like to leave the world a bit better because I was here. I don’t know whether or not there will be a judgement by some deity after I’m dead, and I’m only really concerned with whether I think it’s been a success. Since I grew up with a standard C of E Christian upbringing, I have a pretty standard grasp of what’s good and what’s evil, and of course I’ve also seen that a lot of people will break the rules when they think no-one will find out. I’ve seen also a distinct lack of bad people being struck down by lightning – seems it’s just random chance (or a bad choice of where to stand in a thunderstorm).

    Thus it seems likely that there is no divine punishment in this life, though it may be deferred. Just make sure your fishing-rod isn’t conductive if you go fishing during a thunderstorm.

    For me, there doesn’t have to be some ultimate purpose to life. It’s enough to bring a bit more happiness to the people you interact with. Basically, more joy, less sh*t.

    Funny thing here is that I’ll never know if I’m right about an afterlife, but only if I’m wrong. Best to try to delay finding out the answer….

  213. Simon Derricutt says:

    David – you answered while I was composing the answer to H.R.. Yep, I’ve also seen the congruences between the major religions, but if those congruences weren’t there then the communities would likely have failed and died out. Though the idea of Self Sufficiency is popular, the reason we survive is because of the community and the patrimony, so even the most ardent self-sufficient person needs input from other people to actually make it. That axe needed someone to dig the ore and the coal (or make charcoal) and the passed-down knowledge of how to do things.

    When people live together, they need some order to decide what actions are reasonable and unreasonable. Civilisation allows people to specialise and get good at one useful thing, where without that cooperation they’d need to be competent in all the skills needed to survive on their own. Fairly obviously, some of these evolved rules will be much the same for all people, and there’s a limit to what proportion of people can break those rules and the community still persists.

    Maybe also worth pointing out that in ancient times there was a lot more long-distance travelling than we used to think. Some of the burials from the time Stonehenge had DNA that showed people from Greece, Italy, and Africa, IIRC, and it’s thus reasonable to think that ideas also travelled long distances even in the Stone Age.

    On the dualities in physics, you maybe need to look a bit deeper. Though we say, for example, that there is +ve charge and -ve charge, are those actually opposite or is it one “thing” where its presence gives the effect of a -ve charge and its absence the effect of a +ve charge? Considering that an electron and positron self-annihilate to produce two 511keV gammas that have no charge, and that those gammas can in certain circumstances combine to create an electron and positron, we really can’t be certain that those +ve and -ve charges are indeed a duality or something else. Maybe more important, a particle and its antiparticle are both made of the same single type of energy – there is only one type of energy, and no anti-energy. My point though was that all things do not come in dualities, and it’s an error to assume that they do. Yep, it gives nice patterns, but they may be false.

    You are, I think, right in saying that you can only see the spiritual things using a spiritual method, and it’s not measurable by science. However, I know how easy it is to fool myself and think I’ve got an answer, so I require a way of measuring it that is independent of me (or other people) and thus indicates an effect in a way that is indisputable. Thus we’re at an impasse – I say I need a measurement, you say measurements are not possible.

    We see patterns where there’s not necessarily a pattern there. Look up at the clouds and see a bunny, or at EM’s header picture and see some faces. Again, probably a matter of survival – if you mistake a bush and think it’s a bear, and take action because of that, nothing really lost apart from maybe a brown stain on the ground afterwards. If you instead see a bear and think it’s a bush, the stain would be red instead with a Darwin award. Removes people from the gene pool who don’t have good pattern recognition and/or don’t jump to a conclusion fast enough. Thus we’re also pretty good at seeing evidence of intent in things that are essentially random.

    My intention here is not to pour scorn on someone else’s beliefs, but to explain the reasons that I don’t believe the same things and why I’ve been looking hard at what I think to see if it is a belief or whether there’s definite backing for the opinion. That’s been useful in finding the limits of some laws in physics, too.

  214. YMMV says:

    H.R.: “I think we’re supposed not just to stand around here, but make ourselves useful.”

    I think you will like this clip:

    It’s about man’s search for meaning in his life. There are several very interesting points made along the way. Such as, without hope for the future, you die. Or: “freedom is in danger of degenerating into mere arbitrariness unless it is lived in terms of responsibleness”. Or: freedom is okay but it’s sort of the prerequisite to doing something useful with it. Or: one generation worked hard and was constructive and rewarded. The next generation didn’t have to work for it and therefore has no values and is destructive.

  215. H.R. says:

    Smon D.: “For me, there doesn’t have to be some ultimate purpose to life. It’s enough to bring a bit more happiness to the people you interact with. Basically, more joy, less sh*t.”

    I thought I was indicating that was my view and that it may well be the ultimate purpose in life, though I’d add in the 10+/- commandments that most civil societies generally follow without calling them that. In your other comment you allow that maybe the ideas spread more widely than we think, people thought the 10 commandments were good practice, so a ‘good, moral’ life was following those basics and anything beyond that was better yet.

    David mentioned love, and it just may be that the purpose is to keep your nose clean and check out being hated by no-one and loved by a few or perhaps many, depending on your influence.

    Anyone want to argue that is not a good life well-lived?


    One belief or saying I’ve heard is that you remain alive on this earth so long as you are remembered. I haven’t thought about that too rigorously. I suppose any discussion would break down into arguing semantics particularly about ‘alive’ and the parameters of being remembered.

    The person who first figured out how to get a spark and start a fire by striking two different “fumy-looking rocks” together is not remembered by name, but he/she is probably remembered by at least one person on earth every day. Does that remarkable event and the appreciation of that sharp person, name unknown count? That would be a fun debate. It’s all somewhat interesting, but not necessarily important… maybe.

  216. YMMV says:

    Extrapolating from the Viktor Frankl reasoning, depression could be the leading cause of death.
    Obviously, depression could lead to suicide. Less obviously, if the will to live is diminished that could lead to death by other causes, according to the above video.

    What effect would that have on the death statistics from Covid and the lockdowns? These are depressing times. “Giving up” is never listed on the death certificates. Depression is a comorbidity.

    The older you get the more you could have to be depressed about. Pain, reduced capability, more dependence on others, loss of friends and family, loss of purpose. That last one affects many upon retirement.

  217. H.R. says:

    @YMMV – The Viktor Frankl video wouldn’t play for me. I am going to have to look into the problem and try again later.

    I have caught 1 or 2 other videos from him. He’s pretty good.

  218. philjourdan says:

    @Simon – I understand. But I will leave you with this. There was a terrible show on TV (so bad I do not recall the name of it). But basically a take off of Planet of the apes where current day astronauts traveled back in time to cave man days. ANd they had a barometer.

    So one day they notice the barometer falling and told their new found cave man friends that a storm was coming. Sure enough it did.

    And the cave men then started worshiping them as gods!

    And that is my point. What “cannot be explained” is because of the big part of science we do not know. Can the mind move matter? I do not know. And neither does science (they can disprove hoaxes, but they cannot disprove all miracles). That is my point. Science cannot explain a lot of things because we are still in its infancy. Do I believe in faith based healing? Mind over matter?

    I will say I do not disbelieve. And leave it at that.

  219. philjourdan says:

    @Simon:

    EM – the point I was making was a bit different, in that stopping with the explanation of Goddidit

    Ok, go back to the cave men days, Do the barometer experiment with them. Then explain to them what a barometer is.

    That is your problem. Until they have the basic knowledge, “Goddidit” is easier and better for them. They will never understand a barometer. But in time, Mankind did. Forcing knowledge on those who have no basis point to understand it is torture. Besides, Can you explain Lourdes or Fatima? (I will leave Jesus out of it as the documentation from that time is not as good). These both happened in the past 2 centuries where the documentation is abundant. And to this day, neither can be scientifically explained. In time perhaps. But you can deny they happened (and deny reality), or accept for now that “Goddidit”

  220. philjourdan says:

    @David A says:
    6 June 2022 at 3:11 pm

    Re: Hinduism – I studied it quite a bit. Had I not been raised a Christian, I would probably be a Hindu. I like the simplicity of the belief, even if I do not like the strict caste system. Hinduism is Dante’s Pergatorio. With an escape clause!

    Hindus where the most peaceful religion around. Until the Muslims weaponized them.

  221. David A says:

    philjourdan, yes, “violence begets violence” However IMV, India has been remarkably restrained to what was suffered from Islamists.
    You stated, “Had I not been raised a Christian, I would probably be a Hindu”
    In my youth this is one reason I would not listen to any fire and brimstone preachers. I thought;
    what of a kind sincere person brought up in another culture, the vast majority will follow that teaching.

    The Hindu “Caste” system is said to have degenerated from it original perspective , not of birth, but of behavior determining caste. It sadly became what it did at about the same time as the European aristocracy developed. Interestingly the world went through the dark ages together pretty much. It is now more widely understood that Hinduism teaches that civilizations grow and deteriorate in 24,000 year cycles, 12 k ascending, 12 k descending, and we are in an upswing transition between the lowest, Kali yuga, (1200 descending, 1200 ascending and next, Dwpara Yuga, 2400 ascending. It is said of this particular transition …
    ” Some of these ancient texts actually predicted the conditions which now exist in the Twilight of the Kali Yuga. Remember, these are predictions! The ancients who bothered to write these prophecies down did so because they considered them to be abnormal, unheard-of, and outrageous.

    Thieves will become kings, and kings will be the thieves.
    Rulers will confiscate property and use it badly.
    They will cease to protect the people.
    Base men who have gained a certain amount of learning (without having the virtues necessary for its use) will be esteemed as sages.
    There will be many displaced persons, wandering from one country to another.
    Predatory animals will be more violent.
    Fetuses will be killed in the wombs of their mothers.
    People will prefer to choose false ideas.
    No one will be able to trust anyone else.
    People will be envious,
    People suffering from hunger and fear will take refuge in “underground shelters.”
    Young girls will conduct trade in their virginity.
    The god of clouds will be inconsistent in the distribution of the rains.
    Shopkeepers will run dishonest businesses.
    There will be many beggars and unemployed people.
    Everyone will use hard and vulgar language.
    Men will devote themselves to earning money; the richest will hold power.
    The state leaders will no longer protect the people but, through taxes, will appropriate all wealth.
    Water will be lacking.
    Pre-cooked food will be readily available!”

    Although much of this is pretty much par for the course, consider that the last 2600 years or so were Kali proper. This is an area, if true, that science will perhaps someday be able to shed light on. As we advance we have an ever deeper understanding of the finer forces of nature , and how they affect us. Having delt recently with some health issues, ” Exercise induced hypo-tension ” I have learned how we are just now understanding a bit about how the vagus nerve and subtle electrical energy flows in the body affect blood pressure.

    Well, and not surprising among those EM attracts, we are those mostly of a faith, or agnostic, as opposed to strongly atheistic. it is my view that as science progresses, the amazing complexity and miracle of it all will eventually convince most all that there was intelligence. Also, I am again not surprised that this blog’s regulars focus, on a purpose if there is one, of achieving a well lived life based on service to others, kindness, etc. The wise men are known to have said, ” Love is born of utility” and “to love and be loved, is the purpose of life.” This is manifest in friendships, between lovers, in work relationships, in family, etc. And again, this is precisely what is regularly revealed in those near death experiences recorded for centuries, from every religion, from every race. Yogananda, , who described the interior mystic experience of Samadhi I copied earlier, wrote this poem,,,
    Is friendship the weaving of the red strings of two hearts?
    Is it the blending of two minds into a spacious one-mind?
    Is it the spouting of love founts together’
    To strengthen the rush of love on droughty souls?
    Is it the one rose grown ‘twixt twin mind-branchlets
    Of one compassionate stem?
    Is it the one thinking in two bodies?
    Or, is it like two strong stallions,
    Disparate in color and mien,
    Pulling the chariot of life together
    To the single goal with one mind sight?
    Is friendship founded on equalities or inequalities?
    Is it built on diverse stones of differences?
    Is friendship the unthinkingly agreeing,
    The hand in hand, blind walking of two souls,
    Foolishly rejoicing in their united folly,
    Falling at last into a pit of disillusionment?

    Friendship is noble, fruitful, holy,
    When two separate souls march in difference
    Yet in harmony, agreeing and disagreeing,
    Glowingly improving diversely,
    With one common longing to find solace in true pleasure.
    When ne’er the lover seeks
    Self-comfort at cost of the one beloved,
    Then, in that garden of selflessness
    Fragrant friendship perfectly flowers.
    For friendship is a hybrid, born of two souls,
    The blended fragrance of two unlike flowers
    Blown together in love’s caressing breeze.
    Friendship is born from the very core
    Of secret, inexplicable likings.
    Friendship is the fountain of true feelings.
    Friendship grows in both likeness and difference.
    Friendship sleeps or dies in familiarity,
    And decays in lusts of narrow-eyed selves.
    Friendship grows tall and sturdy
    In the soil of oneness in body, mind, and soul.
    Demands, deceptions, sordid sense of possession,
    Courtesy’s lack, narrow self-love, suspicion,
    These are cankers which eat at the heart of friendship.
    Ah, friendship! Flowering, heaven-born plant!
    Nurtured art thou in the soil of measureless love,
    In the seeking of soul-progress together
    By two who would smooth the way each for the other.
    And thou art watered by attentions of affection
    And the tender dews of inner and outer sweetness
    Of the inmost, selfless heart’s devotion.
    Ah, friendship! Where thy soul-born flowers fall,
    There, on that sacred shrine of fragrance,
    The Friend of all friends craves to come and remain!

  222. beththeserf says:

    I love this post! So many good comments and the insightful Viktor Frankl video.

  223. Simon Derricutt says:

    H.R. – yep, seems to me a good, moral life benefits everyone. I’m not really concerned as to what beliefs lead to that. It can be done also without beliefs, simply the logic of that strategy leading to more time for happy periods. The more time you need to spend in fighting other people or guarding against robbers, the less time you have for producing the necessities of life or of simply enjoying life. Those ten commandments lead to general prosperity.

    Phil – by now I’m getting a different viewpoint on what forces are and what’s (maybe) actually happening, and it’s seeming possible for mind to move matter (or at least, not impossible). What we’re lacking at the moment is solid evidence of someone able to do that at will and under controlled situations.
    Disbelief is in its way as limiting as belief, and can blind people to what is actually happening. Thus your statement “I do not disbelieve” is a good strategy. At times, things happen that we do not understand, and since there is also a problem with eyewitnesses maybe being mistaken in their descriptions it can be difficult to find the truth. Ball lightning was for centuries treated as an unfounded story, as were rogue waves in the ocean. Cold fusion is still largely treated as being impossible, despite the evidence. Those electric thrusters I’ve been talking about are also believed to be impossible by a lot of people I’ve been discussing them with.
    Basically what I’m suggesting is that we look at reality, and instead of saying Goddidit we try to figure out why the things happen, since some of those “anomalous happenings” could be rather useful if we know why they happen and can repeat them when we want them.

    David – “Also, I am again not surprised that this blog’s regulars focus, on a purpose if there is one, of achieving a well lived life based on service to others, kindness, etc.”
    Yep, a lot of interesting people turn up here. Also means that the discussions are thoughtful.
    Interesting point about the 24,000 year cycles you mention is that there’s an implication that civilisation has existed much longer than we currently think. To be able to identify such a cycle implies having recorded at least two of them.
    A while back, EM figured that because of the sea-level rise it’s likely that ancient cities would now be underwater and thus very hard to find today. Possibly they also had technologies that we haven’t yet rediscovered, since in some places there are worked lumps of rock of a few hundred tons that we couldn’t move today. The Nazca lines seem like they would only really be visible to someone flying above them, too, but even so their purpose isn’t known.

  224. E.M.Smith says:

    I tend to sum up that POV, that a happy life is a good one to live, in “Life is too short to drink bad wine”. It also forms the basis of my One Big Rule of “no insults to the person”.

    I just don’t like wallowing in unhappy unpleasant angry crap. It’s depressing and unproductive.
    I do like feeling happy and uplifted and productive.

    I get that happy uplifted feeling when I’ve made someone else smile or think an interesting thought (or even do it to myself). Thus the blog.

    So I don’t “suffer trolls gladly”, but do try to get them over to the Light Side of Life for a while. Once proved up that they simply can not be a positive person (even if advocating a POV that I think is wrong, you can be positive in the presentation…) and are almost entirely a negative energy sink, then I’ll consider dunking them. Essentially, at the point where they are just draining my positives so much that I’m not getting my Daily Fix of smiles and interesting thoughts, I have to start shutting down that energy sink / negative drain.

    Or metaphorically: I can take a sip of vinegar now and then, or even a bit in the wine some times; but I eventually must get back to drinking the good wine of a life well lived filled with interesting positive things.

    Per Length Of Civilizations:

    Remember the statement of the Egyptian Priest to Solon about 3-4 kya: ~”Solon, oh Solon, you Greeks are such children, having no Science nor history that is truly old and hoary with age. Many have been the destructions of Mankind.” That came with an assertion of an over 30,000 year written history in the Egyptian library, now lost in the burning…

    Couple that with the Indian histories that also list similarly long times.

    I think it is pretty clear that where was a fair amount of civilization, globally, before a major fall. The “rump” civilizations made up the Ancient Egyptian (which arrives on the scene with a marvelously complex writing system that looks to have layers of age in it…) and the Indus Valley civilization (which arrives with written histories claiming 10s of thousand of year intervals).

    My working hypothesis is that the Great Flood “Myths” found globally record that fall. The Comet Encke precursor entered the inner solar system about 20,000 years ago and began to break up. Lumps of it hit the Earth over a very very long stretch of time, long enough to destroy a lot of what came before (“many have been the destructions”). Remember that we had over 100,000 years of Ice Age then, so a LOT of the planet was under ice and that is not where you will find evidence. I.E. most of where we live now… Then at about 12,000 years ago, the Younger Dryas instabilities happened screwing things up even more as a MAJOR swarm of chunks hit the Ice Shield just as the Melankovitch cycle was screwing things up too. MASSIVE flooding as the ice sheets melted. Pretty much all “civilization” got flooded out and had to head up the mountains.

    Note that almost all civilization is close to sea level even today. More so 200 years ago. 1000 feet up the mountains is where you get a few homes and not a lot of farmers or cities (other than places where we now plant airports, like Denver).

    So “we” took a hard reset, globally. Back to grubbing in the forest and jungle for some food for a few thousand years. Only a few books and sages surviving in 2 places, and even there the Egyptians struggled and lost a lot, then ended under Roman Empire. History burned.

    I expect we will find some of our history again in 5 or 10 thousand years when the ice builds up, the oceans drop, and erosion removes 10,000 years of silt from the buried cities under the sea…

    Until then, we have to deal with The Idiots In Charge. TIICs.

  225. H.R. says:

    So now we have TICs, who really are parasites and are also SPITRs, or so they think.

    TICs ‘ticks’ is really good because the idiots in charge are parasites, though they see themselves as indispensable and thus deserve extra, extra shares for their brilliant leadership and towering intellect.

    Ticks and spitters. It’s only Tuesday and it’s already a productive week.


    The ticks and spitters tell us they do things For The Greater Good (FTGG)

    They also force us to do what they want, usually via government, because it’s For Your Own Good (FYOG).

    They do it to Make Themselves Feel Good (MTFG), either from the rush the addictive rush they get from power or, because they are a tick and a spitter, everything they think or say is right and therefore good. It feels good to be right. Of course anyone who doesn’t agree is wrong, and therefore bad or evil, and evil must be destroyed.

    Of course, they must use OPM to Impose Their Will On Everyone (ITWOE).

    FTGG, FYOG, MTFG, TWOE

    *sigh* I’m just not seeing an acronym in all the above that’s as good as TICs and SPITRs.

    Maybe the above can be summed up as the work of TBs (Toxic Busybodies) which is a scourge and deadly disease again due to antibiotic resistant strains.

    “Needs more work”…

    …which BTW is what one of my favorite professors (Marketing) would write on most of the papers turned in. He was different in that he thought the objective was not to just teach you, but to teach you to be really good. You could take the grade he gave you on an assignment or you could, discuss what was lacking and rewrite it for a better grade.

    He’s the only professor I ran across that did that, though I’m sure there are a few more out there that are like him. It’s more work for both the student and professor, so I can see why it’s not common.

  226. Simon Derricutt says:

    EM – might not need collisions of other celestial bodies/comets/whatever to get a periodic “reset” of civilisations on Earth. See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2o9eBl_Gzw for the Dzhanibekova effect, also https://demonstrations.wolfram.com/DzhanibekovEffect/ and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l51LcwHOW7s which goes somewhat deeper and takes longer. The Earth isn’t a perfect sphere, so will have different moment of inertia around different axes, and thus will every so often flip. I’d figure that the ocean would wash over most land when that happens. Might take a few days sloshing around before it all settles down again.

    I’m not saying that those other collisions didn’t happen, just that there’s maybe an extra thing adding to it. I’d also suspect that such an event wouldn’t leave a marker in the geological record, since it would be over in maybe a few days and, apart from wiping the slate clean of cities and a lot of life, maybe not much different afterwards. This effect is not something I would have expected to be possible before seeing it.

    Thus maybe the ancient carvings that appear to depict flying machines, maybe UFOs, electric lights, and other things, may just be the current technologies of the civilisations at the time, re-invented after a major reset and a long time of building-up back to a higher level. Might not be ET.

    Incidentally, I add Modena Balsamic Vinegar to the store-bought ketchup. Tastes so much better….

  227. philjourdan says:

    @DavidA – Re – Hindus and violence.

    you missed my point entirely. I know Hindus are a religion of peace. But the Muslim invasion weaponized them so that today, they are more violent and less tolerant. The religion has not changed. The people have.

  228. philjourdan says:

    @Simon – And so it goes. Outside of Politics, i am open to many things scientific (and zero political, so screw your gender crap).

    Example. 40 years ago, my mother said she was going to Bowie for the Horse races (she always loved horse racing). I told her to bet on the 3rd horse in the 4th race. I just spouted that off! Had no idea what I was saying since I had never been to a horse race and never bet on one. And it was Spontaneous.

    She did and won. To this day I cannot say why I said that or where it came from. I have learned more about horse racing, but my system is to bet on the name of the horse I like! So far, I am up $11 bucks! Yea, I do not do it often.

    Still, I cannot tell you why I said that , and have no clue on why it came true. Coincidence? Yea, explain that one.

  229. Simon Derricutt says:

    Phil – a while back I also saw some statistical analysis of air crashes where it was stated that they had a higher percentage of no-shows for the passengers, so the plane was less-full than normal. Airlines normally overbook a bit to allow for the the number of passengers they expect to not show up, which sometimes causes problems when they all do show up. I expect the data is correct, though I didn’t do any further digging.

    There are just some odd things we can’t currently explain. Quantum physics implies that everything is connected to everything else, so maybe there’s a hint of a start of an explanation there, except that that would imply a lot more information being available if we knew how to look. Given that fairly recently it’s been possible for a computer to get an approximation to which picture someone is currently thinking about, there’s some possibility of telepathy between brains (or maybe just some brains and not others) being explainable and repeatable. If that is a result of that quantum-overlap of particles, then it would also be instantaneous and not limited to the speed of light, but if it’s EM waves it would run at light-speed. Might be some results from the almost-science of Noetics, which explores this stuff that normal science doesn’t.

    Last time I did some reading-up on progress, which was quite a few years ago now, the tests on telepathy (person in one room looking at a card with a symbol on it, and someone in another room trying to say what the first person was seeing) ended up overall with the same probability as pure chance. Interesting thing,though, is that some days it was significantly better than chance, other days significantly worse. Maybe if you could find out the reasons for that better/worse outcome you could set things up so that the results were always significantly better. Or maybe not….

    Of course, the easy explanation is that this is spiritual stuff, and not subject to scientific explanation. I think that collecting anomalies (stuff that isn’t supposed to happen), and trying to verify that it did actually happen and then trying to work out why, could deliver some useful new abilities. Of course, a lot of the stories are likely false for various reasons, but some are true.

  230. philjourdan says:

    On telepathy, yes, I have scored zero on every test. But there is enough evidence (beyond the horse race) where my mother swore I was prescient! And that is why she bet on that horse in that race!

    Spiritual? Perhaps. But I doubt Jesus is worried about which nag finishes in which race! :-)

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