This is another of the W.O.O.D. series of semi-regular
Weekly Occasional Open Discussions.
(i.e. if I forget and skip one, no big)
Immediate prior one here:
and remains open for threads running there (at least until the ‘several month’ auto-close of comments on stale threads).
Canonical list of old ones here:
Still house hunting. Prices are coming down a little but the market is still rather bubblicious…
This will be DIY for a while still. I did do a Binge Watch catch up session and there’s a bunch of good ones, so well worth going there:
Looks like the Supremes just recognized Shall Issue or perhaps Constitutional Carry.
Supreme Court rules NY concealed carry gun law is unconstitutional
The U.S. Supreme Court on Thursday ruled in favor of the New York State Rifle & Pistol Association when it decided that New York state violates the Second Amendment by requiring gunowners applying for concealed-carry licenses to prove they have a worthy need to carry guns in public. It’s the first major decision on gun rights in more than a decade.
The 6-3 ruling was led by Justice Clarence Thomas, who said, “New York’s proper-cause requirement violates the Fourteenth Amendment in that it prevents law-abiding citizens with ordinary self-defense needs from exercising their right to keep and bear arms.”
“We know of no other constitutional right that an individual may exercise only after demonstrating to government officers some special need,” Thomas wrote. “That is not how the First Amendment works when it comes to unpopular speech or the free exercise of religion. It is not how the Sixth Amendment works when it comes to a defendant’s right to confront the witnesses against him. And it is not how the Second Amendment works when it comes to public carry for self defense.”
Justices Breyer, Sotomayor, and Kagan dissented.
The gun-rights group – a New York affiliate of the National Rifle Association – had sued the state of New York over the state’s “proper cause” requirement for granting concealed carry gun licenses. The requirement forced applicants to prove that they had a “proper cause” despite failing to define what “proper cause” means under state law.
Several other states require gun owners to prove their need for obtaining a concealed carry permit, including California, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Hawaii, and Maryland.
Thomas maintained that the “proper cause” requirement prevented eligible, law-abiding citizens from exercising their constitutional right to keep and bear arms in public for self-defense. He noted that the right to do so is protected by both the Second and Fourteenth Amendments.
The lawsuit originally stemmed from state resident Robert Nash, whose concealed carry license was granted only for hunting. After his neighborhood was plagued by robberies, Nash petitioned for the license to allow him to carry a gun in public for self-defense. He was denied for not demonstrating his special need for self-defense. He ultimately filed a lawsuit in 2018 to overturn the state’s requirement, and was joined by another resident and the gun group.
I don’t see where it bans States or Cities from requiring a permit, but it does look like it make them “shall issue” instead of “for approved cause”… maybe.
I think it will require some time to see how this works out in practice.
For more recent events, see:
I’ve also gotten addicted to the Top Ten Memes of the week from WatchMAGA here:
They have interesting “bite” to them, along with a tendency to highlight the news of the week in memes, so good as a social attitude pointer too. Plus they are “way fun” ;-)