Growing Well, So Far, In Florida Garden

Just a quick note about what’s working (so far) in my Florida garden, and what isn’t.

First off, I have largely unimproved Florida Sand. A.K.A. Myakka. It is basically sand, with a tiny bit of humus in it. Washed by dramatic summer rains, it drains to near desert dry in winter. I’ve bolded a few bits in the quote below:

Good, nutritious soil is the basis for any plant’s success. To the frustration of many gardeners, Florida’s “soil” is mostly sand.

This gray, fine soil is called Myakka, (pronounced My-yakah), an Indian word for “big waters.” Only found in Florida, Myakka covers the majority of the state—more than 1½ million acres—and is actually our official state soil.

While the majority of the state is covered in Myakka, soil properties can vary widely. The soils of North and Central Florida are typically very sandy, while in the panhandle, the soil can contain substantial amounts of clay. Clay soils compact more easily and drain slower than sandy soils.

So on my “things to do for the future” list are:

1) Add some clay or similar water retaining minerals.

2) Bulk up the humus. This will be a combination of compost (both home made and bags) along with bags of “garden soil” from the hardware store and some kind of top dressing “mulch”. Stuff that will get turned under and rot to humus over time.

3) Get some worms going and happy in a worm bed on the edge of the garden area; so that they can do the incorporation of the organic matter for me ;-)

That will tramatically improve the soil over time and a lot more “stuff” will then be happy to grow.

But what about now? What have I learned so far?


Well, oddly, one is that Florida produces some of the most hardy and vigorous weeds I’ve ever dealt with. You wouldn’t think sand would support them so well, but it does. I don’t know what most of them are, but they are persistent. Turn the “soil” over so it’s just sand on top, and the organic bits a foot under. Come back in a month or two and it’s all green weeds again. California weeds could be eliminated by just a soil turn or two, then some stragglers pulled out. Here not so much. So, OK, I need to be more vigorous in my weeding and mulching and much more particular about what I plant in a single bed so that I know what’s a weed. I’ve tended to interplant several things in a “square foot gardening” kind of way. That complicates weeding as some of the weeds here look a lot like young crop seedlings… So more “Collards Bed Only” and less interplanting.


Where I have improved the soil, things grow better. OK, need to do a LOT more of that. So far it’s about a 3 x 3 foot square that got improved.

Where I have not improved the soil, things that like sand do better (well, duh…) I’ve got Pineapples doing OK in it, and some cabbage family plants seem to like it. (IIRC the collards family is from the beach areas of Europe, originally). Similarly, Lima beans that fix their own nitrogen are doing OK.

I’ve been using Miracle Grow to make up for the poor soil nutrient levels. It helps a lot in the short run. Longer term I need a better composting solution. Probably one of those barrel things that composts in a few weeks (and that can be put in the shed during high wind periods). Like this thing:

Naturals Down South

Most successful so far have been things associated with the South. Florida Speckled Lima Beans. Collards. Bananas. I’m planning to do a more complete search for Florida Specific crops and varieties. So, note to self and anyone else changing locations: It works best to grow what is traditional in the place and accustomed to it.

I have one “cowpea” that I’ve grown before, who’s flavor I liked, so it is up for trial. Unfortunately, most of the “black eyed peas” I’ve tried have a “dirt like” flavor that I don’t like… so some searching will be needed. I’m hoping that more “usual” legumes will do well too, but I’ve not got any going yet. The “green beans” I tried didn’t survive the Attack Of The Weeds & Mold, nor did the northern type summer squash that just turned white and died…

I have a couple of Chayote that are sulking in a shaded spot and one growing gangbusters in a very sunny spot. These were planted toward the start of winter, so likely not the best time. Clearly “shade planting” doesn’t work well for them. We’ll see if that improves as the summer sun arrives. These make large climbing vines, so the ones in the shade can, eventually, run down the fence to collect sun out from under the tree… Since one chayote can make up to 400 “fruits” in a year, and folks get tired of that much squash after a while; I’ll likely do just fine with the one in high sun. These are kind of like a perennial summer squash. Being from the tropics, they seem to be entirely mold / mildew resistant too.

Any other suggestions from folks who do grow things here will be appreciated.

We did visit a local garden and they had successfully grown large blocks of kale, Asian mustard greens, Chard, cabbages / collards, lettuce and various herbs; so I’ll be taking notes from them. They also had very dramatically improved their soil. Basically, they had pallets of bagged soil they used to make raised areas where they set out plants. So, OK, that’s a clue… Their’s were already adult / harvest size when I started planting my kale and collards, so clearly my calendar needs fixing up too ;-)

Food Forest

This has great promise longer term, but trees are slow to get to maturity. I have 3 banana shrubs planted. All from the Cavendish type. One dwarf, one Grand Nain (semi-dwarf) and one full sized. They ALL had trouble with the mid-winter freeze and only survived IMHO due to some use of a cloche. The neighbors bananas had no such issue, so either these toughen up with establishment, or they are a different type.

Going forward, I’ll be looking into some more cold resistant types to plant, and may even investigate Plantain cooking ;-) I did get 2 plantain at the grocery store and did manage to make something edible, but more skill and practice needed…

The two avocado trees are doing well and didn’t even notice the frost nights. They are both about 2-3 feet tall and are making what I think are flowers already. Since these are grafted, no need to wait 7 years to start producing. These ought to be a very good long term supply in a year or three. One is “Bacon” type, known for cold hardiness, and a good pollinator for the other kind, a Hass. Avocados come in 2 major types, and each needs the other for best pollination and production. I have one of each, and they neighbor has some kind of small avocado tree too.

The Papaya were likely planted out at the worst time. Just as winter was coming (and the nursery was ending their stock…) They both survived the cold and are now adding leaves. One had the very top growth die off about an inch, so is now sprouting from the stem in several places. I don’t know if the cold got it, or the cardboard box “cloche” pressed on the top too much. But whatever… Papaya grow fast and live short, so I suspect I’ll have several different kinds to trial over time. They can be cooked green as a vegetable, or ripened to a sweet fruit. A staple of the tropics.

I have a “volunteer” Guava that sprouted from a seed I had in the compost pile. As it takes about 7+ years to start making fruit, and makes a decent sized tree, I’m trying to decide what to do with it. For now, it stays in a pot to 5 gallon pail.

Over time, I intend to expand the Food Forest part of the garden. This can give year round food with very low work level. I’ve identified a few potential trees, and when I find those notes I’ll comment on them. I figure about 2 trees a year until I’m out of dirt for them ;-)

Doing OK

I have planted out a dozen or so potatoes that started to sprout in the bag. Both russet and reds. They are doing OK here in the winter / spring. They did complain about low water until I figured out that Florida can be a desert in winter… I think they would also like more fertilizer. But they are surviving and growing. How well TBD at harvest time. I planted in about December, a bit before the nursery started advertising seed potatoes in about January.

Sweet Potatoes were planted out of sequence too. These did really well until the frost killed off the top growth. My goal was to get some plants established, not harvest roots, so I’m OK with that. I need to get a proper calendar going for production, though. I do now have a large stock of “starts”. These will be planted out now that it’s warmer and a long season is ahead. Also, some “critter” cleared the tops off of one whole section… so “something” likes the greens ;-) Not too worried, I like having some herbivores around in an emergency ;-) We have seen a local bunny or two, working over the neighbors yard, and I’m OK with them having a snack here if they need one.

Garlic, Elephant Garlic, and some onion starts have been doing OK in pots. I’ve set them out in the “soil” and we’ll see how they do. Sensitive to dry soil, I’ll need to make sure the water gets to them regularly.

I’ve also planted out some Russian Kale grown from seeds. They seem to be going fine so far. Probably planted out too late as they love it cold and will grow under snow. We’ll see how they do with Florida Spring and 85 F days.

The Failures

As noted above, the Zucchini like summer squash I set out in the middle of summer just didn’t thrive. Some mold got them. Plus the weeds were growing like, well, weeds; and I wasn’t doing enough tending. I’ve planted some pumpkins during winter that are doing OK, but also have some white on them. These from a Halloween pumpkin just as a quick test. There is a native Florida pumpkin, the Seminole IIRC, that I expect will do better.

The “green beans” that I also planted in the same bed with the squash made a couple of pods, despite complete neglect. I suspect that with better weeding, a dedicated bed, and some soil amendments, I can get a decent bean crop going.

My Rosemary is surviving, but needs frequent weed removal so it doesn’t get smothered (at least until it reaches bush size). However my attempts at thyme, parsley, and basil have all done badly. I’ll likely just grow them indoors in pots. Between drying out and then weed smother, they just don’t make it outside. IF I put enough tending into them, they would; but I don’t. They did great indoors in pots, though. Until I planted them out and they didn’t get tended enough.

In Conclusion

Well, that’s the summary to date. If I think of something else, I’ll add it in comments.

Mostly I’ve learned that the soil is sucky and winter is dry, while summer is full of rain and things mold. Also that I need to pay more attention to the calendar than was needed in California.

Secondarily, things already adapted to Florida and / or tropics do better. Kind of obvious, but worth stating.

So my next round of garden work will focus more on soil improvements, calendar making, variety selection for the area, and more trials of interesting things. Also a very slow expansion of the Food Forest area.

I figure that by this time next year, I’ll be moving more into “production” gardening and doing less “explore and trial”.

Also, given how well the collards are doing, I think I need to learn better ways to prepare them ;-) I’m hoping things like Napa Cabbage will do well, along with other Choy types, but that’s in the “we’ll see” category at present.

I’ve also found my cabbage / kale / collards cross seeds, so need to get them going while there’s still hope for viability. (Green Glaze collards, crossed with Dinosaur Kale, and a purple cabbage from the grocery store that sprouted roots while forgotten in the bottom of the fridge… I figured that kind of determination and tenacity needed to be rewarded.)


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14 Responses to Growing Well, So Far, In Florida Garden

  1. beng135 says:

    At least w/sand, root vegetables will grow well. Their roots don’t develop well in heavier soils.

  2. Keith Macdonald says:

    @EM – do you have enough space to keep some hens? We’ve always used straw as bedding in our hen houses, changing the straw once a week. After the hens have had a week to muck it up, it goes into composting bins, and a year later we have fantastic compost for the garden. Which would mix well into a sandy soil.

  3. cdquarles says:

    I am a bit further away from the equator than our most gracious host, so it freezes a lot more. So far, we’ve had nice enough weather for the cherry trees to bloom. Back in my youth, we did keep chickens for eggs, meat, and adding to the organic composition of the soil (and yes, earth worms help … though birds liked to eat them, too).

    We would compost fallen leaves with a bit of meat and bone scraps. Where that wasn’t sufficient, we’d add Miracle Gro (modestly), too. After the local city outlawed keeping the chickens within city limits, we had to modestly change composting; but the annual turning the ground over still happened at this time of year (late Feb through March). Planting began in earnest after Easter, when freezes pretty much didn’t happen, unless Easter was early that year, so around mid-April was typical. Bananas, here, are ornamental only. It freezes too early in autumn and too late in spring to get fruit unless you had a greenhouse.

  4. E.M.Smith says:


    In theory I could have a hen house. There’s no HOA and if no rooster, they would be quiet enough. But we’re not going to have animals for a good while. I’ve had to tend to a variety of animals for most of the last 35 – 40 years, and it is nice to be able to leave for a week or two without finding a ‘sitter’. Dogs, cats, bunnies. Nice to not be in charge of them anymore.

    IF it ever gets to looking like a real SHTF situation, and travel is out of the picture, I’d likely sneak in some clandestine critters. Guinea Pigs are raised for small household meat animals in South America. Bunnies are easy to have too. For birds, I’d be tempted to go with pigeons. Not great on eggs, but squab is nice. Or maybe quail. I’ve raised a few ducks before and if we had a pond I’d consider them, too.

    In reality, actual laying or multipurpose hens do work the best, and I’ve “dispatched” them before so know how to do it. But plucking birds is just not something I’d want to do. I’d be more inclined to try a pool with tilapia or shrimp in it.

    There’s a shrimp farming method where you put plant matter in one corner. As it decays, you get a variety of bugs, algae, etc. that fill the area. Baby shrimp hide in the clutter. As they get larger, they migrate out to the bulk of the pool area. Every so often you run a net through and harvest the bigger ones; and add more “clippings” to the corner. Not much to it. You can ignore it for a week or two and go off somewhere. I’d be inclined to try something like that rather than hens; despite how much I like eggs…


    I’ve got 2 parsnips in the ground, started via the tops cut off of store parsnips. We’ll see how they do here. I really like parsnips and hope they like it here. (I have several varieties in the seed archive, but just to find out if they grow, didn’t want to defrost a whole jar of seed packets.

    I hope to trial some fat carrots, like Ox Heart, but haven’t gotten to that point yet. I think I need to get the soil improvement done first…


    I visited a garden store today. Things here go in stronger “cycles” than in California, so I can take come clue from just what is “on offer” at the garden department.

    I did buy an “ice cream banana” plant. Had read about them but figured I’d have to order it from an exotics nursery; but there it was in the Walmart Garden Department. So, ok, add another banana.

    Blue java bananas, also popularly known as ice cream bananas, first broke the internet in the summer of 2021 when an image of them and their blue peels began circling on social media platforms. While attention-grabbing, the images didn’t paint the full picture of the Southeast Asian fruit. The banana’s stunning blue-toned peels are only present when the fruit hasn’t ripened. With time, its peels slowly fade into a creamy-yellow color. But the fascination with blue java bananas is more than skin deep. As their nickname suggests, the blue fruits have a subtle custard-like flavor and vanilla aroma — leading to comparisons to the taste of ice cream. If that is true, your next batch of banana nice cream just got a whole lot better.

    So, OK, it’s 2 years later in 2023, so I guess the fad is fading and the excess production has now made it to Walmart…

    So it’s going in the ground this weekend.

    I think adding one more, a plantain or a “mixed use” banana that can be cooked or eaten ripe, and I’ll be done with the banana part of the food forest. Between bananas and avocados you can get a LOT of edible calories as both starches and fats. Add in papaya and yams / sweet potatoes and you are pretty much set for “enough food” from a small patch of dirt.

    Avocados hold for a long time on the tree, only ripening once picked. Different bananas ripen at different ages, so a mix means a steady supply (in a ‘rat in a snake’ kind of big lumps way…). Add in a couple of more trees with different periods and you can have “something” pretty much all the time. The papaya also helps what with “green to ripe” usability and with several fruit coming on in succession over a longer time. Number of trees needed TBD…

    That’s my basic goal. IF the food supply chain gets screwed over, to have “enough” to both stay happy & healthy; and have some to give away. Hopefully teaching the neighbors and having an exponential growth outward.

    Worse thing that could happen if there is no AwShit is that we have a LOT of very happy squirrels and birds… Best thing if an AsShit does arrive, we have lots of fat squirrels roasted with a side of papaya and some guacamole dip…

    I think I also ought to add a citrus of some kind in a tub. Maybe a lemon…

  5. E.M.Smith says:

    Oh, and the Blue Java is a “mixed use” banana, so can be cooked, and is cold tolerant:

    The Blue Java (also known as blue bananas, Ice Cream banana, Hawaiian banana, Ney Mannan, Krie, or Cenizo) is a hardy, cold-tolerant banana cultivar known for its sweet aromatic fruit, which is said to have an ice cream-like consistency and flavor reminiscent of vanilla. It is native to Southeast Asia and is a hybrid of two species of banana native to Southeast Asia — Musa balbisiana and Musa acuminata.

    Taxonomy and nomenclature
    The Blue Java banana is a triploid (ABB) hybrid of the seeded banana Musa balbisiana and Musa acuminata.

    Its accepted name is Musa acuminata × balbisiana (ABB Group) ‘Blue Java’.

    Synonyms include:

    Musa acuminata × balbisiana (ABB Group) ‘Ice Cream’
    In Hawaii it is known as the ‘Ice Cream banana’
    and in Fiji as the ‘Hawaiian banana’. It is also called ‘Krie’ in the Philippines and ‘Cenizo’ in Central America.

    Blue Java bananas can grow to a height of 4.5 to 6 metres (15 to 20 ft).> They are cold-tolerant and are wind-resistant because of their strong pseudostems and root systems. The leaves are silvery green in color.

    The fruit bunches are small, bearing seven to nine hands. The fruit are 18 to 23 centimetres (7 to 9 in) in length and exhibit a characteristic silvery blue color when unripe. The fruit turn a pale yellow when ripe, with white creamy flesh. They bloom around 15 to 24 months after planting and can be harvested after 115 to 150 days.

    Blue Java bananas are popular bananas that can be eaten fresh or cooked.
    They are known for their fragrant flavour which has a vanilla-like custard taste. The fruit goes well with ice cream.

    They are also popular as ornamentals and shade plants for their unusual blue coloration, large size, and tolerance to temperate climates.

    So this gives me a more cold tolerant banana and one that can be cooked as well.

    So if I lose the Cavendish, I’ll have something at least. And I can try various cooking methods on them too.

  6. John Andrews says:

    I urge you to use raised beds for your vegetables and build the soil in them. I use pine bark fines soil amendment that I get from Ace Hardware. I also use wet peat moss. My third ingredient is compost made with the aid of red worms in a rotary composter like you describe. By the way, those things get very heavy. You will not be able to move them unless you empty them all the way. I use about 1/3 of each component. All of this has few nutrients so needs fertilizer to provide the trace elements. Miracle Grow works fine. I add ground up charcoal briquets to the composter. I grind them in a cheap blender so my wife doesn’t have fits. How much? You can’t use too much, so your choice. The ride in the composter gives the goodies time to get embedded into the fine pores of the char to provide working biochar. I have amended all 10 of my 4’x8’x8″ beds with bacteria and fungi. Lately (for about 1 year) I have placed five 5-gallon buckets with holes near the bottom and filled part way with worm bedding and worms into some of the raised beds. These are fed occasionally with kitchen scraps that were first frozen overnight and then added to the bucket. They seem to be working. Good luck and best wishes.

  7. Graeme No.3 says:

    Sand can be used as a basis for hydroponics. Would require raised(closed?) beds to prevent solution loss (and top ‘barrier’ to deflect excess rain). Alternatively allow solution to drain into surrounding soil. Result probably a record crop of weeds.
    Forget it!

  8. Graeme No.3 says:

    Sorry, was interrupted when posting.
    A raised bed of sand watered with solution (Miracle Grow?) would work fine except for your summer deluges. Some sort of plastic film on frames over the top? Might provide enough insulation for earlier planting or over-wintering.

  9. E.M.Smith says:

    @Graeme No.3: Per sand beds and hydroponics:

    My intent (who knows when, or even if, it happens…) is to build a hydroponic system inside my “Sunroom”. That’s a glassed in area facing west, shaded by oaks. It was once a patio and they put in tile and enclosed it. So exterior type wall on 3 sides and a water tolerant tile over cement floor. Presently it is where I have my potting table and do starts (complete with LED lights).

    I’ve not decided yet just which kind of hydroponics, but thinking the 3 or 4 inch PVC pipe “NFT” Nutrient Flow Technique things. Sort of like this:

    “Someday” outdoors (or possibly on a smaller scale in the Sunroom) a “sand bucket” system (that I think is called “Dutch Bucket”… Yeah, that’s it:

    These will be for herbs, saladings, and some smaller sized crops like Choy or Chard.

    But until I have the sunroom cleared of boxes (I.E. I finish moving and unpacking) I’m going to be playing in the dirt outside.

    @John Andrews:

    I’m just a little leery of building things outside as they can take flight in a hurricane. We already came through a Cat 2 here… So any Raised Bed needs to be heavy enough to stay down and not have enough sail area to take flight… I’m new to this whole hurricane thing, so proceeding with caution on structures.

    I’ve seen folks in Florida (on Youtube Channels) that have raised beds in what look like horse water troughs, so may try that… But the “raised bed on a table” is likely “right out” and the “raised bed with a 6 inch wood board around it” has me worried about “gone with the wind” (and into my windows…)

    That’s why I’m planning hydroponics indoors (or that can easily be moved inside).

    Maybe I’m just being paranoid about a Cat 3 or 4… or maybe the house will be gone in a 4 of 5 so why worry? 8->

    Right now, I’m mostly working on vines to climb on the fences as I have a lot of perimeter fence (chain link mostly) that’s not under the oak trees so gets decent sun. So planning to just do soil improvement in a 2 or 3 foot band along all the fence line and “let ‘er climb!” ;-) Working on Lima Beans, Chayote, Sweet Potato, squash, and eventually some other beans too. (Peas once I figure out when to grow them in Florida…)

    I hope to get a “Greens & Saladings” group going. Collards are doing great. Lettuce clearly did well in the garden we visited, so it ought to be OK (eventually to be in the sunroom in hydroponics…). I really want to get chard established.

    FWIW, I may end up running my garden as a Bunny Charity for a while… This morning there was a smallish bunny in the yard checking things out. Oddly, didn’t touch the kale or the collards. Was more interested in a weed in the non-garden part of the fence line. So I figure I need to make sure I’m growing greens at at least 2 x the rate a bunny would eat them 8-0

    As I like bunnies, it’s OK with me if I end up with a few of them camped out here.

    So anyway, yeah. I need to do raised beds, and hydroponics, and indoor hydroponcs, and a Food Forest, and an amended soil improved big crops area of dirt, and… I need 30 hour days…

  10. Graeme No.3 says:

    The local hydroponics warehouse had something very similar except that the solution circulating pump was powered by a (small) solar panel.
    They were more interested in vegetable and flower growing, not interested in supplying cannabis producers.
    Several large commercial growers are now using hydroponics in South Australia (the driest State in the driest (inhabited) continent). Tomatoes and capsicums/chillies grown indoors (reduces evaporation and heat stress) in multi-acre sheds. It seems that aeroponics are preferred (mist spray of solution onto dangling roots).
    The simplest system I’ve seen is pots of potting soil (supplies the nutrients) with plain water available to their base (wicks or just sitting in water maintained at a low level by a float valve). Set and forget.

  11. Grumpy51 says:

    Re: water troughs – I buy the oval ones from Tractor Supply, paint them a hammered copper color and have interspersed through the yard. During the wet months, I leave the drain open, but once summer hits (no rainfall for us), I close the drain. I’ve run squash, tomatoes, onions, blackberries, raspberries – all with success. To help fertilize, I did an experiment one year – when out side working and had to pee, just peed on the squash, nice green leaves….. no need to let nutrients go to waste.

  12. RalphB says:

    Weeds…the vine season has kicked off strong here in N Florida. I do a daily vine patrol around my yard Virgina Creeper and green brier seem to grow inches per minute. Maypop is popping up all over too but I leave them be as the flowers are nice. Just planted a banana and a couple papaya, we have had very good luck with papaya home grown taste so much better than store bought.
    Arcadia used to have several nice roadside farmers markets and nurseries. Not sure how well they survived the hurricane though. SR 17 is nice road to drive if you ever have the gumption

  13. Graeme No.3 says:

    “inches per minute”? Try Mile-a-Minute.
    Ipomoea indica Family Convolvulaceae

    Common Names Morning glory, Blue morning glory, Convolvulus,
    A showy twining climber or scrambling plant with hairy stems. Its large funnel-shaped flowers (5-10 cm long and 7-10 cm across) are blue or bluish-purple in colour with pale pinkish centres.

    Blue morning glory is a significant environmental weed in Queensland, New South Wales and Victoria, and an environmental weed elsewhere. This species does not produce viable seed in Australia, and fruiting capsules are rarely seen here. It can be propagated by cuttings. It seems to smother vast acres without any help.

    Because of fast growth, twining habit, attractive flowers, and tolerance for poor, dry soils, some morning glories are excellent vines for creating summer shade on building walls when trellised, thus keeping the building cooler and reducing heating and cooling costs.

  14. KarenL says:

    Re: peas–cold season crop. birds will take all of the seedlings if you don’t cover them.
    Your extension agent should have a recommended planting times calendar you can download, maybe even a paper copy you can collect at their office. If not, figure out what Texas area corresponds to your latitude and distance from the ocean and copy theirs. ;-)
    We have commenced raised beds as our yard is just about totally clay, every time we pull stuff out we’re adding more compost to the bed to raise the level. The Korean daikon I planted in, um, November? went nuts. I like to use them as a substitute for potato in tortilla de patata or in soups.
    Summer squash: yes, they do get powdery mildew and who knows what else. Again, consult with the ag extension web site, or check the Texas ag extension site–Florida and Houston have about the same humidity levels.
    Enjoy your gardening!

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