Bubblicious Toppy? DIA & IWM rolloff

Intro

In an earlier posting, I looked at some currencies and at which parts of the market had the most evident “action” and asked if semiconductors in general (and NVDA in particular) were propping up the S&P 500 and NASDAQ (QQQ).

https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2024/06/10/some-thoughts-on-currencies/

In this posting, I’m going to ask if “Minus those, has the broad market rolled over?”.

In particular, looking at DIA the Dow Jones “30 Industrials” (that now includes banks…) and the IWM (a Russel 2000 broad small cap fund) and asking if they look “Toppy” and maybe the broad market has started to roll over, while Semis are holding up the QQQ and SPY?

Essentially: Is a “bubble” in Nvidia keeping QQQ and SPY artificially rising when a broad market roll over is already in progress?

I intend to do this by looking at two charts, detailing DIA & IWM, but with QQQ and SPY lines for comparison.

“In the news” we’ve had a fair amount of “worry” about the status of Banks. Largely due to a big level of Commercial Real Estate in distress.

https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2024/06/05/well-thats-not-good-unrealized-losses-exceeding-reserves-mortgages-cre/

The “Dow 30 Industrials” is no longer a list of Industrial stocks. More a mixture of Big Retail with Big Banking and a few other Big Companies.

Retail: Walmart, Amazon, Home Depot, Coke, McDonald’s, Walt Disney.
Banks: American Express, Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan Chase, VISA.

Yes, it has a lot of other stuff, too, but much of it is tied to retail, like Nike and Procter & Gamble.

Essentially, my thesis here is that it is now largely indicative of General Market Conditions, and not just industrial production. The Dow Theory compared actual industrial companies to transports and the expected lag time between orders being placed, goods made, and stuff shipped. That can’t be done with the present “Industrials” average. But perhaps it CAN indicate a general “worry” level in banks, retail, and the overall economic condition / attitude.

So here’s the chart:

14 June 2024 DIA vs other indexes 6 month daily

14 June 2024 DIA vs other indexes 6 month daily

FWIW, I don’t know if it is a Chrome thing, or WordPress, but where before I could “Click to embiggen”, now a click gets a smallish graph and I must scroll to the bottom to find a “click for full sized” choice. So while YMMV, realize you can (somehow) embiggen these graphs.

Things to notice on this chart: QQQ The NASDAQ / Tech index fund and SPY the S&P 500 largest companies in America are both rising well. QQQ is the top orange line and right below it is the blue S&P 500. But when we look at “what’s big in America today?” we find it dominated by a few giant tech companies, making the difference between the S&P 500 and the QQQ ever smaller as the massive growth in Tech Capitalization (I.e. money running into tech shares and inflating them) has lead to domination of both averages by a few giant companies an ever bigger issue. Apple, Microsoft, NVIDIA lately, Google, etc. BUT those companies are NOT the broad economy.

Now look at the two lower lines. DIA Dow 30 “Industrials” is the main ticker here, and IWM, the Russel 2000 small caps, is the raspberry line dancing with it. There’s 3 lines of SMA (Simple Moving Average) stack in there too: The green, black and yellow thin lines.

So, first off, the DIA and IWM are almost the same. What the? The 30 BIGGEST and the 2000 small sized are both acting the same? While SPY & QQQ diverge. A lot. My guess here is that Banks and General Companies of a smaller sort are both in a bit of trouble.

There’s massive closures and failures in Retail at the moment. Largely in Blue Cities and States where companies are closing down outlets as fast as they can and running away from bankrupting things like $20 minimum wage for burger flippers and “steal all you want” laws / DAs. Then EV Mandates looming and painful price jacking has made the whole car industry grind to a halt. This, plus ‘work from home’, is putting huge losses and pressures on banks (regional, local, major, etc.)

Basically, just WHO is making any money right now? Eh? It comes down to Amazon, chip makers and a few select retail product makers like Apple. That does not a broad market make.

Now look at the SMA lines. They have converged into what I call a “topping weave”. In rising markets, the fastest SMA line is on top, the slowest on the bottom. (invert that for down markets). At the transition where they begin changing places, they weave together.

The Dow price bars show two tops in end of March and mid May, of about the same height, then it rolls off to a “lower high” in early June. “Failure to advance” often indicates a top. Looking at Vol+ we see that volume tended to dry up at the two little tops in late May early June. I tend to call this “two eyes” in the charts as the “two volume drop outs”, with a high in volume spike as price heads to the downside in between, make two holes under the average line. This also often happens at tops. Volume dries up to the upside, but is found to the downside as sellers get scared out of positions in a falling trend. Then look at the price bars themselves at those two attempts to advance. They get very short at the local tops, but big to the downside on down days. People not paying up for the up runs, but selling at whatever price on down days.

Moving down to MACD, we find it dropping under the zero line and with “red on top” – typically indicating more down from here to come. Then the DMI / ADX indicator. ADX is the strength of moves, DMI+/- is the direction. We’ve got strength just gone as the black line is approaching about 10, and it is ambivalent in direction with red / blue DMI lines weaving. Also what a top looks like. (Rises have strong ADX with blue clearly way on top, falling markets also have strong ADX but with red way on top.)

All this looks like banks, retail. and the rest of the 30 “Industrials” are weak toppy, and looking to continue falling from this point.

What about the IWM 2000 smaller companies?

14 June 2024 IWM vs other tickers 6 month Daily

14 June 2024 IWM vs other tickers 6 month Daily

It looks almost the same. Only real difference I noticed is that the volume drying up to the upside starts back at the March high, and the ADX/DMI looks to have died about a month earlier than for DIA.

So IF the biggest AND the small are both looking “on the rocks” and rolling over, why are QQQ and SPY still rocket rides to the moon? As I noted earlier, I think it is all down to NVIDIA and maybe a couple of other tech companies. Is a “Tech Bubble” enough to keep markets going? Anyone else remember the last Tech Bubble and how that ended (to the downside…).

SO, OK, today I bought a small bit of QQQ and NVDA. Not enough to hurt me if it too rolls over; but enough to have me focus on it daily. I’ve not (yet) bought any RWM or TWM (the “short Nasdaq” and 2 x short funds), but my intent is to do that “soon” once the “Toppy” starts to resolve into a “Yes, it is down trend now”. That would have me using the weaker stocks as a short while I decided if I ought to exit that hedge by selling my SPY and such. And eventually exiting the QQQ and NVDIA when they look Toppy.

But generally there’s more time to ride a bubble than you expect (so I’m in the trade); but one needs to start planning the exit… For me, that’s a late stage “ride the bubble” but an early stage “identify the short for the hedge”, and look closely daily so you are not late to the exit “when the time comes”.

At least, that’s the way I see it. (worth all you paid for it, not financial advice, your decisions are yours to make, I’m sometimes wrong, I’m just “some guy” reading tea leaves in charts to guess economic actions by others, this is what I’m doing for me, not me telling you what you ought to do for you, etc. etc.)

UPDATE 15 June:

I’m adding a chart of RSP, the equal weight S&P 500, for comparison (see comments for why). IMHO it looks a LOT like the DIA and IWM charts indicating a broad “roll over” Toppy character and confirming the thoughts about Tech Bubble distortions in the cap weighted S&P 500:

RSP eq. wt. S&P vs mkts & shorts 14Jun2024 6moD

RSP eq. wt. S&P vs mkts & shorts 14Jun2024 6moD

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18 Responses to Bubblicious Toppy? DIA & IWM rolloff

  1. E.M.Smith says:

    I probably ought to mention that the reason I find this odd is SPY.

    I’ve typically used SPY as my main indicator for Market Tops as it is the broad USA average of the 500 largest stocks making up the bulk of the market. Yet this time it is not acting like the Dow 30 “Industrials” and the 2000 Russel index. That’s a bit unusual. Essentially, my habitual indicator of market tops isn’t calling the same signal it ought to be calling, while DIA and IWM are saying “top likely, look for the exit”…

    So this posting is an attempt to find which one is telling the truth and to see if “something has changed” such that the SPY is not the best indicator of a market top “this time”; and perhaps due to another Tech Bubble fueled by A.I. hype and speculation.

    My conclusion is basically: It might be, and with enough reasonable speculation tied with a couple of good indications from DIA and IWM to prep for a rapid exit from SPY if (or when) it too starts to “roll over”. FWIW, my major holding is in SPY with almost nothing in DIA or IWM and only a new very tiny holding in NVDA and QQQ as “indicator holdings” (to focus the mind and attention ;-0 ) So were I just looking at SPY, and IFF it is in fact being horsed around by QQQ / NVIDIA, I’d not be aware of that divergence and might potentially be “late to the exit”… In short: due to that tech bubbleisciousness, SPY might not be the safe diversified play it has been for decades.

  2. E.M.Smith says:

    He does a web search…. and finds someone else with the same idea about S&P500.

    The traditional weighting is “Capitalization” meaning more money into any one stock puts more of that stock into the index. The alternative is “equal weight” so a “share is a share” in the average and not a $ is a $…
    https://www.raymondjames.com/-/media/rj/advisor-sites/sites/s/u/summitbehavioralwealth/files/market-capitalization-vs-equal-weighted-whitepaper.pdf

    Last year saw the record-breaking outperformance of the
    traditional, market capitalization weighted S&P 500 Index over
    the equal weight version—the S&P 500 Equal Weight Index—by
    almost 12.5%! The reason: strength in tech-related sectors such
    as Info Tech, Communication Services and Consumer
    Discretionary, which dominate in the traditional market cap
    version, drove the unprecedented outperformance of the market
    cap weighted S&P 500. Because of this outperformance,
    market consensus coming into 2024 forecasted a broadening out
    of equity performance beyond what many call the ‘Magnificent
    Seven’—the most dominate mega-cap technology-related stocks.

    So, OK, my concern has some support…

    This lets me more clearly state “market conditions”. There’s a Tech Bubble and I’m riding it, even if I’m in SPY and not QQQ. The broader markets have indicated a “Toppy” nature, and IF this really is a Top, eventually it will come for the Tech Leaders too (but with a bit of delay usually).

    Strategy IF the top is in and a rollover is in progress: First short the weak stocks via RWM (or if really ambitious / risk taker – TWM for the leveraged short). Don’t short S&P 500 (SH is the ticker, SDS for leveraged short) or NASDAQ (PSQ ticker, QID for leveraged short) until / unless the Tech Bubble bursts. Run the hedge (short Russel long SPY) until conditions indicate Tech is rolling over too, then go full Bear. Ponder what to do about DIA. (IF the major banks start to crumble, it too might be a good short – DOG is that ticker, DXD for leveraged short).

    So that’s where I’m at for my positions (long a lot of SPY thinking it broader than it really is due to the capitalization weighting and dominance by the “magnificent 7″…) and realizing I need to think of it more as a softer form of Tech Bubble…

    That’s the lens I’ll be looking through for the next few months.

  3. Canadian Friend says:

    Slightly off topic,

    Bill HR 8070 just passed

    all men between 18 and 26 will be automatically registered for the draft.

    Does that mean the people in charge expect the US to go to war ?

    or want the US to go to war ?

    I find that a bit scary…

  4. E.M.Smith says:

    I’ve updated the posting with a chart of RSP, the equal weight S&P 500. It looks the same as the DIA and IWM; which confirms (implies) the same ideas. That this is a minor Tech Bubble and the excess capitalization of the Tech Sector is why spy is diverging and looks a lot more like QQQ.

    @C.F.:

    It means, IMHO, that they so buggered the attraction of The Military for men, via DIE mandates, Marines in High Heels to make a point, PC Crap at every turn, etc. etc. that they can’t get Real Men to voluntarily join anymore. So want to be ready to draft (impress, haul off the streets?) cannon fodder (should the need arise) rather like Ukraine is doing now.

    I wouldn’t worry until it has also passed the Senate and is signed by whoever is moving Biden’s fingers…

  5. Canadian Friend says:

    E.M. Smith,

    yeah makes sense, since less men want to join the clownish military of men wearing dresses and lipstick that we must address as they-them, they make it mandatory…

  6. Power Grab says:

    I have another one of my flakey ideas about this sort of thing. What if they do get the student loan forgiveness thingie to go through? I wonder if and when that will make them (the ones whose student loan debt was forgiven) prime targets for the draft. You know: “Since we forgave your student loan debt, now you belong to us; and you must now report for duty in the next war.”

    Where did that come from? :-/

  7. Keith says:

    @Canadian Friend
    Does that mean the people in charge expect the US to go to war ?

    That, or perhaps they have found some more enemies?

    Never in the decades since the Cold War has the United States looked less like a leader of the world and more like the head of a faction — reduced to defending its preferred side against increasingly aligned adversaries, as much of the world looks on and wonders why the Americans think they’re in charge.

    https://terrycowan.substack.com/p/looking-for-enemies

  8. another ian says:

    Someone else’s look –

    “Nvidia, Apple And GameStop Are The Entire Stock Market Right Now…And That’s Dangerous”

    https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/nvidia-apple-and-gamestop-are-entire-stock-market-right-nowand-thats-dangerous

  9. another ian says:

    There might be words on this –

    “The Senate Version of the National Defense Reauthorization Act Really DOES Require 18-Year-Old Women to Register for Draft
    June 15, 2024 | Sundance | 663 Comments”

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/06/15/the-senate-version-of-the-national-defense-reauthorization-act-really-does-require-18-year-old-women-to-register-for-draft/

  10. jim2 says:

    For decades, the titans of global finance viewed India as just another emerging market—a place with the potential for substantial gains, but risky enough to be kept at the periphery of a portfolio. Then, as economic reforms picked up around the turn of the century, they jumped in more wholeheartedly, and today the country’s stock exchange is the world’s fifth-largest in market value. Now a similar spotlight is shining on India’s $1.3 trillion in sovereign debt as fixed-income investors seek an alternative to Russia and China. “There is a very strong case for India over the medium to longer term to have more of a place in people’s portfolios,” says Jae Lee, a managing director at US asset manager TCW Group Inc.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-06-18/global-investors-jump-into-indian-bonds-as-jpmorgan-index-inclusion-nears

  11. E.M.Smith says:

    @Jim2:

    India has been good to me the last couple of years. Look into EPI, as one example. A Wisdom Tree India fund. Have not looked for India Bonds and / or bond funds, but might do it now that the $US and € are scheduled for destruction… /snark;

    FWIW, the Russian / North Korea meeting (Putin in N. Korea treated like a king…) had the announcement of a Strategic Alliance. Essentially, Russia and North Korea are now pledged to defend each other and cooperate on industrial things and weapons tech. So S. Korea just got cornholed and the USA Sanctions have now made a strategic block out of Russia, China and North Korea (with more joining as fast as they can).

    So any USA “involvement” in a Taiwan war (cough, pardon, “mostly peaceful police action”…) will have 3 Nuclear Countries armed with hypersonic missiles arguing over who gets to sink our entire Pacific Fleet…

    Yet folks are pumping money into TSMC (Taiwan Semiconductor Manf. Corp.) at a prodigious rate and pretending it isn’t at risk of instantly evaporating in a bombing raid. Just amazing.

    That’s one of the Big Problems with having sanctions on 1/2 the world… they just form their own club and you are not in it.

    So Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, North Korea, Russia, China: What do they collectively not have in their trade group? Eh? Food, oil, minerals, labor, tech, mining, refining, manufacturing of everything, shipping, telecom, computers, etc. etc. Oh and both Tropical and Exotic vacations available on their own airlines… Along with full Military Manufacturing including nukes and rockets AND space stations, satellite navigation system, etc. etc.

    That’s what happens when the Bully has picked on more than 1/2 the kids in the school. He doesn’t get invited to the cool kid’s parties and his gang starts shrinking fast…

  12. beng135 says:

    They’ll want to try holding up the DIA at least until after the election.

  13. jim2 says:

    Yep. Countries used to try Statesmanship rather than brute force or sanctions. Usually there were better outcomes. Hit luur and Stalin being examples that didn’t work.

  14. YMMV says:

    “Countries used to try Statesmanship rather than brute force or sanctions.”

    Yes and no. RT has an interesting take on the recent Ukraine “peace conference”.
    https://www.rt.com/russia/599447-historic-zelenskys-peace-summit/

    There are two kinds of peace negotiations. First, there is the classic kind that developed over the centuries: Two countries engage in war, one of the parties gains the upper hand, and imposes its will on the other. Total victory. Perhaps like over Germany WW2.

    Old style war. But then he modernizes it a bit:
    The war ends when one or both sides realize that the price of continuing hostilities is greater than that of concluding peace. At this point, diplomats step in – their task is to determine the most favorable conditions for both sides. Negotiated victory. Perhaps like the surrender of Japan WW2, or the end of WW1, or pause in the Korean War. Armistice.

    Then they invented the UN.
    after the catastrophe of World War II, a ‘global policeman’ emerged whose task was to stop armed conflicts (by force if necessary), pull the participants apart, and resolve the contradictions at the negotiating table.

    his examples:
    Classic peace treaties became a thing of the past, and gave way to endless ‘peace processes’ under the auspices of the UN and other international organizations. Such has been the case in Palestine, Korea, Cyprus, Kashmir, West Africa, the Balkans, and republics of the former USSR.
    (Although already there are cases where the negotiator is also in the fight.)

    After the end of the Cold War, the US became the world’s sole policeman, and decided that it could do anything it wanted. In Yugoslavia, Afghanistan, and Iraq, Washington acted on the same principle: America is right and everyone else is wrong.

    For this reason, several generations of politicians came to believe that if they enlisted the support of Washington, they could use any peace process to turn the course of a given conflict in their favor, no matter what happened on the battlefield. For the past ten years, Ukraine’s diplomacy has been based on this ‘postmodern’ concept.

    The rest of the article is even more interesting, but getting back to diplomacy and statesmanship …

    The old way, diplomats of the involved countries worked it out between themselves.
    The post-modern way, some third party organization skips the diplomats and just dictates how it is going to be. Not by convincing anybody, but by brute force and sanctions. One is working up a peace agreement, the other is just another form of war.

  15. E.M.Smith says:

    @beng135:

    Interesting you would say that… Today, the QQQ weakened (down 0.77%) and the DIA rose a tiny (up 0.75%). Almost like some big money was rolling out of the very overbought NASDAQ Magnificent 7 stocks and into the staid and lagging DIA Dow 30.

    Something that tends to happen when a Tech Bubble has bit traders rolling their money out of tech and into “banks and consumer staples and such”…

    Needs a bit more proving up, but that’s how it looks to me. FWIW, sold my QQQ today before the worst of that drop. EPI (India Fund) also lost a bit today, but I have very little of it these days. Overall made about $2,000 today. Today was a Very Good Day ;-)

    Now I just need to not lose $2,000 tomorrow! 8-0

    I think I’ll work up another stock posting tonight. Perhaps showing the various India Funds along with a bit on Brazil (currently dropping a LOT I guess because of Lula… but don’t quote me on that, it is only a guess.)

    NVDA, darling of everyone these days, also dropped (3.54%), so I suspect the Shorts are getting ready to squash the Tech Rally. As soon as that is clarified, I intend to “be among them” riding the short play.

    So, can “they” keep the market from crashing for another 5 months? That’s a very long time and we’re talking about a market with lots and lots of $Billions playing in it. IF the time is “now”, it would be very hard and very expensive to keep it inflated for another 1/2 year…

    FWIW, bubble markets often “crash” between August and October. So they would also need to fight that omen…

    Speaking of Omens: Saw a report that the NASDAQ had a “Hindenburg Omen” moment… AND a whole lot of EwTuber Traders are nattering about NASDAQ ready for a crash… and of epic proportions. So if that in fact happens, it will take out DIA & SPY with it…

    In any case, I’m sitting on a pile of cash suitable to short enough to cover all my long positions (“hedge them”) then liquidate my long positions at my leisure once the confirming signal shows up. Swapping to a short posture for any down trend of more than a few days duration…. I think I’m down to just 1/2 dozen stock and stock ETF positions at this point. Mostly doing my “rolling down as a top approaches” behaviours. BUT, still don’t have a “confirmed top” signal yet…

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  17. beng135 says:

    @EM, I’m sure you’ve mentioned plenty here about BitCoin, but maybe another comment. My nephew money-market guri hesitated to “recommend” anything to me, but did admit he was buying bitcoin right now. Years ago I put $500 in it (amount needed to be something I could lose and not be a big deal). Worth around 3k now, so not bad, but now that I’m getting SS, I have some extra to invest.

  18. E.M.Smith says:

    The problem(s) I have with BitCoin mostly cycle around folks seeing it as “money” when it is really just Yet Another Fiat Currency.

    Money has the property of “efficient and effective store of value for a long time”. Currency does not. It is a “medium of exchange” as is money, but lacks store of value.

    Now, is Bitcoin any worse than Paper Fiat Money in that regard? Not much.

    So IF you would stash $10,000 of Paper Money I your mattress for 20 years and expect it to be worth the same when extracted, Bitcoin is for you, too ;-)

    I prefer things that ARE effective “stores of value” (like metals, gems, guns & ammo…) or are not “sterile assets” (I.e. they grow in value over time) like stocks, businesses run well, gardens ;-)

    But, in principle, I have nothing against Bitcoin as a Trade Vehicle. Or even as a medium of exchange (a currency).

    My personal issue with it, is the Digital Wallet. Why would I want to put any significant degree of my wealth into a device that gets replaced every couple of years, doesn’t work if the battery wasn’t charged recently, can be “hacked” and drained remotely, can have the Government define it as illegal any time they like (on a whim), and can fall out of my pocket into the lake and be gone forever?

    There’s some other minor issues (like the complete waste of compute resources to “mine” new bitcoins and the processing needed behind every transaction and more); but they are minor and more technical quibbles.

    Oh, and notice that everyone and their dog Faucho can make some New Improved Crypto Coin! and have… Yes, just like anyone can issue their own “Paper IOU” (aka Coupon) and play in the paper Fiat Money space too.

    Sidebar on that:

    Once upon a time, I think it might have been in California, there was an artist. He would draw $10 US “bills”. Nicely done, and clearly a hand drawn replica. He would then use them to buy stuff (like food in restaurants). He would clearly state that these were NOT $US, but ART. Then ask if they would take it as a $10 worth of art in exchange for what he wanted to buy. He did this for several years and made a bit of a living at it.

    Anyway, if one wishes to trade Quatloos or Bitcoin or Etherium or Dogecoin or whatever, go for it. It just isn’t the vehicle I’d choose to trade.

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