The Stupidity Of Gun PC-ness

Four Marines are dead because of Gun “PC Stupidity”.

We had 4 of the few best in the nation, gunned down, because they were forbidden to have the tools of their trade at hand in a fit of PC Stupidity.

One “lone wolf”, who wasn’t that good with gear, was able to hit two places inside 15 minutes and kill 4 because he could have a gun and our Marines could not. A cop with a gun ended it with the perpetrator dead. One guy, one gun, end of event.

Dear Leaders

What you need to do, now:

1) Rule that ALL guards at all bases will be armed at all times. Bases to include ANY military establishment with staff permanently assigned.

2) Rule that for those places with permanent military personnel present (i.e. recruitment centers and the like) ALL military personnel are to have a “personal defense weapon” at hand. That can be a sidearm, or a rifle, depending on with what they have qualified. “At hand” does not mean in a locked vault or box. It means on their side, in a drawer, or on a rack where it can be grabbed at the first incoming shot.

3) ALL recruitment centers and any similar “store fronts” to have their “glass” refitted with bullet resistant materials. This doesn’t have to be 5 inch think green armor glass, just a nice lexan laminate will cut bullet velocity down to something that minimises damage. Spectra or similar materials to be layered on the non-glass portions of the wall around any glass.

4) ALL military families to have spousal training with sidearms. Any spouse who wants one to be issued a sidearm to be kept “at hand” in the home.

5) ALL military to have sidearm training. On qualification, they are to be issued a sidearm. That one, or a personal carry weapon of their choice, to be carried on their person wherever and whenever they choose when off duty and outside government facilities. In their car. In their home. On the street. Visiting their kid’s school. Shopping or at the movies. (Exceptions being when on duty when their commanders decide what is appropriate and when inside government facilities such as courtrooms and other government offices. I’m only putting this exception in because judges, lawyers, and government weenees are control freak paranoids who could not stand the idea of folks coming and going with sidearms… )

6) These “carry rules” to apply to all Police forces, Military Reserves, National Guard units, and Retired Military (upon sidearm qualification at a nearby military or police school or facility or from any military or police qualified trainer at their range of choice.)

7) Any ex-military with a violent crime history will be exempted from this program. (i.e. guys who’ve gone to the dark side are left unarmed).

What This Would Do

First off, military recruitment will go up. Many folks will join up, or join the Guard, just so that they can practice their right to “keep and bear arms” as promised by the 2nd amendment.

Second, crime of all sorts will plunge. How many nutcases will think they can go shoot a dozen people at a school when they know that some percentage of the teachers and staff are firearms qualified and armed? Of those few who do attack, how many will get past the front office door? How many folks will try to rob a liquor store knowing a large percentage of clerks will have a gun and use it? Of those, how many will live long enough to try it twice? An armed society is a polite society, and also a safe one…

Third, attacks on “soft targets” will plunge. There won’t be many “soft targets” left. Especially our military ought never to be a “soft target”, so harden the target. Anyone shooting at a recruitment center will find their bullets doing little damage (commonly available ammo is soft lead core, not the iron penetrators the military use, so even modest transparent armor will stop them or drastically reduce the damage done).

Fourth, military folks will have a strong incentive to stay on the “white hat side” once they exit the military, as they will be expected to be a “white hat” and know that if they choose a violent path, they will lose privileges. Over time this will build a very large body of “white hat” folks at all levels of society and in all walks of life.

Fifth, ex-military will be hired in larger numbers. As a store owner, I can hire a clerk who can run a cash register, or a clerk who can run a cash register AND assure the cash stays in it… I’ll take door #2 … As a police chief, I have a ready source of folks who are sidearm qualified already, and have military discipline. As a trucking company, I have a pool of drivers who are also able to keep themselves and the load safe from low grade bandits. All sorts of companies would be happy to have a ‘two fer’ on the hiring. (Those who don’t, and suffer from PC-paranoia, can remain “soft targets” and take the consequences… pretty quick it will be known that holding up a WalMart gets you shot, but a Macy’s is a ‘soft target’ with more cash… the ‘problem’ will self correct.)

Realize that this is not a radical suggestion. It is simply saying to be more like we were in the ’30s and ’40s. Watch some of the old B&W movies, folks were then able to practice their right to “keep and bear arms”. Military were often shown with their sidearms. Military returning from W.W.II often had various weapons in their luggage. Heck, even in the ’60s my family got a rifle, delivered by UPS to our home. (I saved ‘script’ from the cans of food served in our restaurant. Once enough was saved, they could be cashed in for stuff. One of the things in the catalog was a rifle. That became my first real hunting rifle.)

Things were safer then than they are now. As kids, my friends and I would go out “to the river” and shoot our .22 rifles at cans. (What is now called ‘junk shooting’). Yes, I have driven my car with a rifle and ammo in the passenger compartment and it was legal. First day of hunting season, at the end of classes, you could see a load of “kids” putting on hunting vests and checking the shotguns in the trunk of their car in the parking lot in front of the high school on school grounds as they headed out to join “Dad” at the pheasant hunt site. There were very very few shootings of any kind, and not many robberies either, in my old home town. It’s an existence proof that this is safer.

In Conclusion

Our military and police ought NEVER be a “soft target”. Never ever. Anywhere, anytime, anyone.

They are trained to fight and defend. Let them.

Various Muslim Jihadi Nutcases and their violent Islamist Groups have declared that they are going to attack our police and military at any time and in any place possible. The only rational response is to have those “targets” ready and able to return fire and end the attack when it comes, as it will and as it has.

In each recent case, the ‘event’ has ended when a trained sidearm packing officer brought counterfire to bear. A Texas Police in Garland took down 2 Jihadi Wannabees with his sidearm. A cop with a gun took down the attacker at the military sites. Catch a clue. One guy with a gun who has had range training can take down these nutjobs who have a lot of guns, but not much skill. Money to buy guns does not trump skill and practice. Had any one of those military at either of the two attack sites had a gun available, it is highly likely the outcome would have been “One dead perp and no other injuries.” or at most “One dead perp and one injured.” as the first shot might have had effect (though with the lexan in place, likely no injuries).

How good is lexan?

http://www.eplastics.com/bullet-resistant-sheet

Selected at random, but has a nice chart. Level 1 is a 9mm handgun round. That takes a 3/4 inch panel. At one inch “Level 3” it stops .44 Magnums. At that level, many rifle bullets will get through, but their energy will be dramatically reduced and the damage done vastly lower. But say you want to stop them, too? They list a “Level 5” that stops 7.62 rifle rounds (bigger than the .223 Remington used this week) and a “Level 6 MR” that stops multiple rounds at 1 inch thick (but likely a different construction).

So one inch of plastic, instead of glass glazing, is the difference between a ‘soft target’ recruitment center and a ‘hard target’ that needs to replace the windows. Add in an armed presence inside who can toss on their kevlar vests and helmets, grab their weapon, and return fire, the nutjob gets off about 5 or 6 shots and then his vehicle is taken out and he ends up on the very wrong end of a lot of firepower. I find that scenario much more satisfying than a “funeral for 4 and death benefits to the families”.

So Dear Congress: Grow a pair, and let those who already have, use the tools they are trained to use to do the job they have been selected to do. PC paranoia be damned.

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About E.M.Smith

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15 Responses to The Stupidity Of Gun PC-ness

  1. philjourdan says:

    Gun free zones are merely baiting the lunatics.

  2. Wyguy says:

    Sorry E. M. too logical for the progressive mind.

  3. Larry Ledwick says:

    I will second that.

    One of those killed had time to send a text message to his girl that there was an active shooter.

    In 1636 Massachusetts they passed statutes that required anyone traveling more than a mile from home to be armed. They were also required to bring their muskets to church (this apparently was a period of concern for Indian attacks).

    http://saf.org/journal/16/ColonialFirearmRegulation.htm

    Other modifications could also be chosen which would not require major building modification. Such as a bullet resistant back on desks, or strategically located dirt filled planters. It would not take anything more than a regulation requiring recruiting offices to have adequate cover from armed attack provided for each assigned military member and common numbers of visitors.

    The research on methods has already been done (decades ago), see FM 5-15: Engineer Field Manual, Field Fortifications.

    It explains how to make simple field expedient shields that will stop military ball 7.62 ammunition. Any creative architect could easily adapt that information to make discrete architectural changes, or decorative changes which would provide adequate cover against both ball ammunition and commonly used explosive devices.

    Stand off screens adequate to stop fragments from car bombs or RPG-7 type weapons are also well within easily available building modifications and can be done discretely as burglary preventions systems or just screened window treatments. Businesses already do much of this for other business, whether it is concrete filled lolly columns, or large planters to stop smash and grab robberies or bullet resistant barriers for night clerks at convenience stores, it is all readily available technology.

    Even if it was a discretionary thing, a Federal law that all active military, their spouses or recently discharged military (say 2 years) have a standing nation wide permit to go armed in any place a policeman can carry, would greatly change the dynamics of these soft target shootings. After 2 years they would if they chose to continue to carry, pursue local CCW permits, although it might be useful in the federal statute to make CCW permits “shall issue” for former military.

  4. Larry Ledwick says:

    http://www.politico.com/morningdefense/
    — HUNTER TO INTRODUCE BILL ALLOWING RECRUITERS TO BE ARMED: Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-Calif.), a retired Marine who fought in Iraq and Afghanistan, told Morning D he plans to introduce a bill in response to Thursday’s shooting to allow military recruiters to be armed. Hunter said in an interview his bill would provide two options for the Pentagon: either allow officers in charge of recruiting centers to carry a weapon, or provide outside security for the recruiting facilities.

  5. E.M.Smith says:

    @Larry Ledwick:

    Well, it’s a start…

    Guess each “location” will have to be measured in bodies… with rule changes written in blood…

  6. agimarc says:

    Don’t forget the other elephant in the room – immigration of Muslims. Perhaps it is time to shut that down. Cheers –

  7. bruce says:

    My dad would often tell me to have an open mind to subjects. Then somewhere along the line having an open mind was a counterculture expression. As in they had an open mind and the rest of society was locked in the culture that had raised them.
    From what I can see those with an open mind have so thoroughly exited the closed minded experience they no longer are capable of being open minded. Thus the incapability to consider a gun as anything other than a damage making tool. Or that saying no one can have guns will make it so. Practical experience somehow becomes null and void when discussing real world fixes.
    There is a small orifice opening to their self actions that is above their open minded constructs. Where their shopping at walmart is okay while anyone else’s doing so is wicked. Their flying to Paris for a global warming meet is fine while my flying is wasteful consumerism. Where the policeman with a gun is fine if their house has been broken into but totally out of line if approaching a beat up car acting in an un-normal* way, in another part of town. (*the act of being open minded sees no such thing as un-normal)
    Shattering of the open minded reality might happen, think of the tulip bubble in europe a couple of centuries ago, where cost to benefit ratio become unrelated and then do. Sort of a shame we are talking more than bulbs loosing their worth now though.

  8. Steve C says:

    Lexan (polycarbonate) is fine stuff when used properly. I gave a friend a piece about 18″x24″x0.25″ some years ago, and had (foolishly, as it turned out) mentioned to him that this was the plastic used in bulletproof glazing. What I hadn’t expected was him clamping the sheet lightly upright with a laboratory stand, then firing a 9mm cartridge at the middle of it – only to be instantly surrounded by flying shards of plastic. Bulletproof glazing “terminates” the edges well enough to absorb the shock energy, and since police riot shields are also polycarbonate, it would seem that a well-chosen shape and absorbent surround strip can also do the job. (Sorry, I don’t know anything at all about how to make the mechanical impedance of the energy dissipator match the mechanical impedance of the Lexan for optimal energy transfer, although I can do the electrical equivalent in my head … :-)

    @Bruce – As one of our Hi-Fi gurus commented in the 50s, about increasing the frequency range of audio gear, “The wider you opens the window, the more muck blows in.”

  9. John Andrews says:

    Sending this to Senator Bob Corker, Lamar Alexander, and Rep. Jimmy Duncan all of Tennessee. Maybe it will help.

  10. Larry Ledwick says:

    For those who are too young to remember the early days as this threat developed:

    1970 September 6 “Dawson’s Field hijackings,” 3 aircraft hijacked 2 blown up on the ground, American hostages taken
    1979 21 November Islamabad Pakistan U.S. Embassy burned
    2 December 1979, the U.S. Embassy in Tripoli, Libya, was burned
    April 18 1983 United States Embassy in Beirut. 63 people, including 17 Americans, are killed.
    October 23 1983 Beirut barracks bombing. 305 people, including 241 US servicemen, are killed by 2 suicide bombers.
    September 20, 1984, the Shi’a Islamic militant group Hezbollah, with support and direction from the Islamic Republic of Iran, carried out a suicide car bombing targeting the U.S. embassy annex in East Beirut, Lebanon. The attack killed 24 people.
    1985 – June 14 – TWA Flight 847 hijacked, U.S. Navy diver is killed by Hezbollah.
    1985 – October 7 – Achille Lauro hijacking, wheel-chair bound American killed by Palestinian militants.
    Nov. 24, 1985 – 34 people were wounded when a bomb planted in a car was detonated just outside a crowded American military shopping complex in northern Frankfurt
    1986 – April 2 – Four Americans were killed and five Americans were injured when a bomb exploded aboard TWA Flight 840 as it traveled from Rome to Athens. The aircraft was able to land safely at Athens International Airport. “Arab Revolutionary Cells” claimed responsibility.
    1986 – April 6 – A Berlin discotheque bombing killed a Turkish woman and 2 US servicemen and injured 230 people, including more than 50 American servicemen.
    1987 – A car bomb exploded outside the back gate of the U.S. Embassy in Rome and mortars were fired at the compound from across the street. One passerby was injured in the attacks.
    1988 – April 14 – At 8 p.m., a car bomb exploded in front of the USO Club in Naples, Italy. Five people died and fifteen were injured, including four U.S. servicemen who were injured and US Navy Petty Officer Angela Santos, 21, was killed. Junzo Okudaira, a Japanese Red Army (JRA) member, was indicted in the United States on April 9, 1993 for the Naples bombing. Okudaira is also a suspect in the June 1987 car bombing and mortar attack against the U.S. Embassy in Rome. This was a contract hit by Libian groups using the JRA
    1988 – December 21 – Pan Am Flight 103, outbound from London for New York with 259 people aboard, was destroyed by a bomb on December 21, 1988 while over Lockerbie, Scotland. All aboard the aircraft were killed as were eleven persons on the ground.
    1988 – 1990 – Marine Col. Rich Higgins kidnapped, tortured and murdered by Hezbollah terrorists.
    1993 – January 25 – Attack at CIA Headquarters in McLean, Virginia: 2 killed, 3 injured.
    1993 – February 26 – World Trade Center bombing, 6 killed, 1,042 injured.
    1995 – March 8 – Killing of two US Diplomats in Pakistan.
    1996 – June 25 – Khobar Towers bombing: 19 American servicemen killed.
    1998 – August 7 – US embassy bombings: U.S. Kenya Embassy blown up, 214 killed (including 12 Americans); U.S. Tanzania Embassy blown up, 11 killed.
    1993 – January 25 – Attack at CIA Headquarters in McLean, Virginia: 2 killed, 3 injured.
    1993 – February 26 – World Trade Center bombing, 6 killed, 1,042 injured.
    1995 – March 8 – Killing of two US Diplomats in Pakistan.
    1995 – April 19 – Oklahoma City bombing, 168 killed, over 800 injured.
    1996 – June 25 – Khobar Towers bombing: 19 American servicemen killed.
    1998 – August 7 – US embassy bombings: U.S. Kenya Embassy blown up, 214 killed (including 12 Americans); U.S. Tanzania Embassy blown up, 11 killed.
    2000 – USS Cole attacked, 17 U.S. Navy sailors killed, 39 sailors injured.
    2001 – September 11, 2001 attacks, 2,997 killed by Islamic fundamentalists
    2002 – Reporter Daniel Pearl, kidnapped and beheaded in Karachi
    2002 – Nine people killed by bomb blast near US embassy in Lima – seen as attempt to disrupt forthcoming visit by President George W. Bush.
    2002-2006 – Karachi consulate attacks: three separate attacks killed 18 people (including an American diplomat) and injured 87.
    2002 – Two Marines shot, one killed in Kuwait.
    2003 – Riyadh Compound Bombings kill 35, including 9 Americans.
    2003 – Three American diplomats are killed by a roadside bomb targeting their convoy in Gaza. Palestine Resistance Committees claims responsibility for the attack
    2003–present – Damascus terrorist attacks: American interests in Syria targeted by Islamists.
    2004 – Civilians Nick Berg, Jack Hensley, and Eugene Armstrong kidnapped and beheaded in Iraq.
    2004 – Paul Marshall Johnson, Jr, civilian working in Saudi Arabia, kidnapped and beheaded; five other Americans die in attacks in Saudi Arabia in 2004.
    2007 – American embassy attacked in Athens, Greece.
    2008 – John Granville, US diplomat, assassinated in Khartoum, Sudan
    2009 – Thirteen people, mostly U.S. military personnel, were killed and more than 30 others wounded at Fort Hood, Texas, in a shooting rampage by disgruntled Army psychiatrist Nidal Malik Hasan, who during his trial claimed to be waging an Islamic jihad against the United States.
    2012 – US Embassy in Libya was attacked. The ambassador and three other Americans were killed.
    2013 – 2013 Boston Marathon bombings, 3 killed, 183 injured. April 15.

    Al-Qaeda declared war on the United States and its allies two times before the attacks on September 11, 2001. Those two declarations came in the form of fatwas, a type of Islamic religious decree.

    The First Fatwa In August of 1996 “Declaration of War Against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Places,”

    The second fatwa was published on February 23, 1998, was signed by Osama bin Laden; Ayman al-Zawahiri, al Qaeda second-in-command; Abu-Yasir Rafa’l Ahmad Taha, leader of Sheikh Mir Hamzah, secretary of the Jumiat-ut-Ulema-e-Pakistan; and Fazlul Rahman, leader of the Jihad Movement in Bangladesh.

    The fatwa reasons that “three facts that are known to everyone” compel war against the United States.

  11. p.g.sharrow says:

    Larry, you missed one ;-)
    http://americanhistorycentral.com/entry.php?rec=468
    “The First Barbary War (1801-1805) was the first overseas war fought by the United States. It happened during the Presidency of Thomas Jefferson. Also known as the Barbary Coast War or the Tripolitan War, it pitted the United States against pirates from the nations known collectively as the Barbary States”

    Muslims have been waging war against the United States from it’s founding.
    Nostradams said to beware as these people are No ones friends. pg

  12. E.M.Smith says:

    @PhilJordan:

    “Gun Free Zone” is also known as “Soft Target Attack Zone”…

    @Verity:

    Glad you like it ;-)

    @Wyguy:

    Oddly, I’ve tried to figure out, many times, what causes “progressive think”. It clearly violates simple laws of logic, so there’s something else going on. Near as I can figure, it comes down to “emotion first, then justification”. So if guns make you uncomfortable, or you ever had or heard of a bad experience with guns, then that bad feeling must mean “guns = bad”. Then all else follows, no other logic and facts need apply. Their seems to be an ’emotional shortcut’ to the thing that will make them feel more comfortable regardless of truth or reality; then a “justify as needed with whatever works even by making stuff up”. Never ever confronting a “harsh truth” and accepting it, then making the rational choice after that.

    So “more guns leads to less crime” is absolutely true. Shown a 100 times in many cities, States, etc. But it doesn’t make them feel more comfortable. “Ban guns” feels like it ought to work, so feels good (to them); facts and unpleasant reality be damned.

    You see the same process with all sorts of “progressive” causes. Just print money, it feels like it ought to work. Give everyone ‘free’ medical care via the government since it feels good, never mind that medical care degrades, it bankrupts the nation, and outcomes are worse.

    I’d even assert the process is in use in the Global Warming herding of the Useful Idiots. First, make them feel bad with scare stories, then say “give the UN $200 Billion a year and you will feel good”, so they want to do it. Then the folks doing that manipulation are confused when us Skeptics refuse to be scared by their “Sky is falling” Chicken Little stories and don’t want to hand over the money for “redistribution”; our position based on “logic” and “data” of all things… What’s wrong with us? Don’t we want to feel good?…

    So, yeah, my position is too logical and not enough ‘shallow feel good’ for the progressive mindset.

    @P.G.Sharrow:

    Um, they are forbidden to be our friends by the Koran. It specifically says, and several times, to never take the infidel as your friend… That’s what makes it so pathetic to see The TOTUS trying to hard to be their friend by giving them anything they want…

    I really wish every Congressman and Executive would just read the Koran, and remember it is obligatory…

    BTW, that episode in Barbary is in the Marine Anthem “to the shores of Tripoli…”

    @Larry:

    Nice list.. . “lest they forget”…

    @John Andrews:

    Perhaps someone will hear…

    Saw on the news that in Virginia, where it would seem ‘open carry’ is legal, some Good Ol’ Boy was standing in front of a recruitment center (short sleeves, too many tats, and all) with an ‘assault style rifle’ and a sign saying ‘defend our troops’ as someone came up and gave him a bottle of what looked like gatorade or similar. Maybe we can embarrass the politicians into doing the right thing by having The Citizens defending the Military…

    @Steve C:

    Also a 1/4 inch is not enough, and clamped at one end you have a great ‘lever arm’ for the bullet to work on the edge; that can’t deflect with the energy… At an inch thick, the energy transfers into the mass of the local area of the panel, that bows a little, and then into the rest of the panel, and that makes the MV mostly M at that point, and the low V is easily taken in a mounting.

    @Bruce:

    The one that amazes me is that in some jurisdictions, a cop can have a gun when on duty, but must turn it in at end of shift ( IIRC, NYC was like that and London). So it’s just fine for this guy to be armed for a shift, but as soon as he clocks out it is a hazard? What?

    Where I grew up, a Cop was a Cop 24 x 7 and expected to be armed the whole time. ( I was in an Eagle Scout Law Enforcement post and we hung out with the County Sheriffs who ran our post… we had to learn police work, laws, etc.) Heck, even the Police spouses were usually signed up as ‘reserves’ and carried a ‘little something’ in purse or holster. It was one of the ‘perks’ of being a reservist. I was at our Scoutmaster’s home when his spouse came in. Digging for something in her purse, put a nice Walther PPK on the counter … thus the discussion of ‘reservist’…

    There was some law in place by about 1965 to ’70 saying you could not take a gun into a bar, so when I was working as a night auditor in a motel / restaurant / bar (in a bigger town about 12 miles from home) there were some number of folks who would stop by the desk and ask me to hold their gun as they went back to the bar. Yeah, a 19 year old college kid with handguns (loaded) in the desk drawer… at night… just down the hall from the bar… What was interesting was the mix of folks who were ‘packing’ (and those were just the ones who didn’t want to leave it in the car… In small towns folks know who drives what car, and who has to ditch the gun to go into the bar, so theft of gun from bar parking lot took off after that law was passed. Thus ‘kid with drawer of guns’ as the ‘better’ solution. Ought to have just let the folks with CCarry take the gun with them… but I digress…)

    Oddly, there just wasn’t much tendency for folks to assume a lady alone, or a guy in street clothes, was unarmed. Just the ‘off duty & spouse’ was enough to make the assumption a bad one. Consequently, the notion of ‘mugging’ was an alien one; something that happened in Chicago or NYC… With 2 city cops, one Chief, their spouses, 3 or 4 County Sheriffs in town (more dirt around us than actual town ;-) and their spouses, a couple of judges, and their spouses, and a few non-spouse reservists, there were about 24 to 25 “armed all the time” in a town of 3000. And that ignores the Game Wardens (and spouses) and the CHP (who were mostly in other cities but sometimes we had one). Call it about 1 per 100 armed, just from them alone. Now take out the kids, and the old folks who never went out much late nights… the odds of “hitting” an armed “officer” in a ‘mugging’ would be about 1 in 50 to 1 in 20 as a guess. So do it more than a dozen times, you start to have high odds of waking up dead or in the hospital. Once the CC folks are added in, it was more like 1 in 5 in those days (as CC was basically a visit to the Sheriff who knew everyone… and asking for the card.)

    Like I said, “mugging” was an alien concept from “back east” and we had a very low rate of just about all crimes. Heck, our doors didn’t even have working locks on them until when I was about 20. Home from college I put them in for my Mom, who lived alone by then. That was the first time I ever had a ‘key to the house’… Asked my Dad about it when I was about 12? and he said ~”How would visitors be able to make themselves comfortable and wait for us if the doors were locked?…” without cell phones (or much phone use at all) the typical protocol for family coming to visit was a letter saying you were coming ‘soon’, and then showing up when you could… and if no one was to home, unwind after the drive in the comfort of the living room (fridge being stocked when the letter arrived – food and drink as desired).

    Different times…

    Oh, and from about age 8 onward I had a rifle in my bedroom, and ammunition in the dresser, at all times. Substantially the same in most homes in that rural farm town. At about that age, a friend 2 blocks down showed me his derringer. We were sitting on the curb in front of his house…. Things that would get you arrested today, parents in prison and kids in ‘protective custody’ awaiting foster “placement”… some of the fondest memories of my childhood, now crimes…

    Oh well… like I said, different times…

  13. Larry Ledwick says:

    Um, they are forbidden to be our friends by the Koran. It specifically says, and several times, to never take the infidel as your friend… That’s what makes it so pathetic to see The TOTUS trying to hard to be their friend by giving them anything they want…

    I really wish every Congressman and Executive would just read the Koran, and remember it is obligatory…

    I strongly recommend not just the koran but pick up a copy of a new book titled:
    “Catastrophic Failure” by Stephen Coughlin.
    He systematically digs in to the body of law which is Islam (it is a lot more than the Koran) and using Islamic source of the highest credibility (ie recommended by Muslims as authoritative) tears apart the assertion that it is a religion of peace.
    Islam is composed primarily of 3 root sources the Koran (sort of like the Christian 10 commandments only it has 114 sura some of which are pages long), the Hadith and the Sunnah.
    The Hadith are the collected stories of what Mohammed said during his life time (some what similar to the bible and how it uses stories of the life of Jesus) the Sunnah are the practical “lessons” derived from those stories. The traditional portion of Muslim law, based on the words and acts of Muhammad.

    Those three comprise the foundation texts of Islam. They paint an overwhelming picture of a philosophy of conquest, and dominance by terror as a root principle of the philosophy, a theory of the immutable perfection of those texts that cannot be altered (ie reform is impossible for observant Muslims) and last but not least a deeply imbedded doctrine of deception when not in a position to exercise dominance and control. A theory of persistent continuous creeping pressure pushing toward that point when their numbers are large enough in a society to show their true belief and culture and demand that all others bow to their beliefs. In its true form it is a ugly cancerous creed of oppression. We are seeing that in action today by ISIS and Boko Haram, that is the “true Islam”. Luckily for us most Muslims are not true “by the book” believers and practice a soft Islam (sort of like Catholics or Protestants who rarely go to church and go through the motions for holidays but will not get in someones face for saying something abusive about Christianity).

    But this explains why you never hear denunciation for violence in Islam, it is literally prohibited by their foundation beliefs. It is an act of apostasy to denounce true Islam a crime punishable by death. There are no “moderate Muslims only Muslims who are too afraid to advocate for change and those who conceal their hatred of other belief systems for the strategic advantage it gives them in the long battle.

    They philosophy literally has no tolerance of dissent or reform, and explicitly prohibits questioning the faith on pain of death, because to question these things would be to question Mohammed and that is an unpardonable sin.

    That said I know there are some good and honorable Muslims but they are willingly blind to what the true doctrine of their faith is.

    The Koran is intentionally translated out of order chronologically to make it very difficult to understand, if you choose to read the Koran get a copy which has been re-ordered into chronological sequence. This is important because Islam utilizes “abrogation” things said earlier by Mohammed can be abrogated and nullified by things said later in his life. The Sura 2.256 which claims Islam is a religion of peace is an abrogated sura nullified by later Sura like Sura 9.5 often called the “verse of the sword” which says:

    9:5 When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful.

    This is not the doctrine of a peaceful religion, but that of a totalitarian creed of conquest, dominance and control that brooks no deviation from its core teachings.

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