W.O.O.D. – 2 April 2018


This is another of the W.O.O.D. series of semi-regular
Weekly Occasional Open Discussions.
(i.e. if I forget and skip one, no big)

Immediate prior one here:
and remains open for threads running there
(at least until the ‘several month’ auto-close of comments on stale threads).

Canonical list of old ones here:

So use “Tips” for “Oooh, look at the interesting ponder thing!”
and “W.O.O.D” for “Did you see what just happened?! What did you think about it?”

What’s Going On?


Still cold, even though we’re into April. In California we’ve made a swap to a respite from the rain and snow, for now. “Back East” not so much. Europe still a bit cold. Rest Of World, well, I’ve not been keeping up. I guess it’s time to find out.


RT has gone back to their slightly baleful ‘West Bashing’ pot stirring. They’d been holding off in the hope that Trump would be the one to finally treat them like any other nation; but the tossing of diplomats has turned them back to the “Oh Well, they hate us” mode.

The more I’ve thought about it, the more I’m not seeing the upside for Russia in the Skripal poisoning. So “who gains” by it? Not Trump. It’s just another “Russia Bad” albatross looking for a neck to land on. Not Russia, near as I can tell they gain nothing and got EU / Western rejection in return. Most of the ROW (Rest Of World) is on the sidelines and neither gains nor loses anything. A weak case can be made for China, but only based on old historical border clashes with Russia and / or a general desire to keep any and all non-China players busy somewhere else.

What keeps coming back for me is The Great Game (Britain vs Russia in Crimea) and whoever it was who said about NATO, that its purpose was to “Keep the Americans in, the Russians out, and the Germans down”. It sure looks to me like the EU and UK are the big beneficiaries.

We’ll likely never know the truth.


Still doing that “going down thing”. Not all the indexes are in the “confirmed down” structure, but IMHO, it’s now a bear market. Tech had held up the best, after going up the most, but the key tech players have been getting their shorts pulled to their ankles. Not seeing who’s going to be the ball carrier going forward.

Other News

The Dems are continuing to go “All Out” on the Get Trump! Jihad and have Mueller all fired up and rolling. They seem to have missed that should they succeed, about 1/2 the country will want their scalps at the polls. It is always better to have your opponent hang themselves with their own policies than to be seen pushing them down the stairwell; but the Dims in the Dems have not figured that out yet.

Global Warming Propaganda

It has not let up. I’ve been under-motivated to sink more years of my life into “The Good Fight” since the weather has turned and Trump is in place to block them. But we see they are just pumping ever more BS ever harder AND they are trying to weaponize the judges appointed by the Obama Machine (and fellow traveler). Lately suing the Oil Companies for the Thought Crime of disagreeing with them. Even more push ongoing on the international front.

Clearly it’s going to be “no rest for Mikey”. Guess I need to “get over it” and get back to work.

It’s GOOD for you, but theoretically could give you cancer Department

Well, a judge in California has decreed that since coffee contains acrylamide and acrylamide can cause cancer in rats if you give them enough of it, Coffee MUST be labeled as a “known carcinogen” under Prop. 65 rules in California. Oh, and there’s a $2500 / person “fine” to be assessed for each time the warning was NOT given, potentially back dated to 2008 or so. Now, as Starbucks was collecting $5 / coffee, shelling out $2500 for each of them will clearly break the bank.

One hopes the judge realizes that if the entire State must suddenly go though coffee / caffeine withdrawal it will not be pretty and the economy will collapse. Since the entire Tech Industry / Silicon Valley runs on copious quantities of coffee applied several times per day; lets just say you can kiss off the entire Tech Industrial base in California. ALL those companies have a free coffee station and it does NOT have The Sign! (I figure Apple, alone, owes me about $6,387,500 for my days of coffee drinking there…)

Now realize there are 2 major implications of this that have been ignored by Herr Judge:

1) EVERY vendor of ANY coffee faces this same risk. COSTCO, Walmart, Safeway, Mom’s Restaurant, Wolfgang Puck’s, MacDonald’s, Denny’s, etc. etc. Essentially ALL grocery outlets and almost ALL prepared food vendors and MANY food packagers handle coffee or things with coffee as an ingredient. If the one Starbuck’s that was in the case gets nailed to the yardarm, the rest will face suit the next day.

2) All sorts of other foods have acrylamide or other carcinogenic ingredients in them in trivial quantities. All those foods are now on the chopping block too. Hotdogs. Salami. Tea. ANYTHING roasted or BBQ. Smoked meats and fish. Anything fried, seared, flame broiled or baked above 250 F.


Discovery of acrylamide in foods

Acrylamide was discovered in foods in April 2002 by Eritrean scientist Eden Tareke in Sweden when she found the chemical in starchy foods, such as potato chips (potato crisps), French fries (chips), and bread that had been heated higher than 120 °C (248 °F) (production of acrylamide in the heating process was shown to be temperature-dependent). It was not found in food that had been boiled or in foods that were not heated.

Acrylamide has been found in roasted barley tea, called mugicha in Japanese. The barley is roasted so it is dark brown prior to being steeped in hot water. The roasting process revealed 200–600 micrograms/kg of acrylamide in mugicha. This is less than the >1000 micrograms/kg found in potato crisps and other fried whole potato snack foods cited in the same study and it is unclear how much of this is ingested after the drink is prepared. Rice cracker and sweet potato levels were lower than in potatoes. Potatoes cooked whole were found to have significantly lower acrylamide levels than the others, suggesting a link between food preparation method and acrylamide levels.

Acrylamide levels appear to rise as food is heated for longer periods of time. Although researchers are still unsure of the precise mechanisms by which acrylamide forms in foods, many believe it is a byproduct of the Maillard reaction. In fried or baked goods, acrylamide may be produced by the reaction between asparagine and reducing sugars (fructose, glucose, etc.) or reactive carbonyls at temperatures above 120 °C (248 °F).

Later studies have found acrylamide in black olives, prunes, dried pears, and coffee.

Oh, and do note that no evidence of any cancer is needed. Also note that a history of IMPROVING health and longevity and lowering cancer rates is also irrelevant (coffee has that history in the bag already). There is NO defense. Any amount of acrylamide means you are up for suit and must put up a “MY FOOD CAUSES CANCER” sign. Even on your prune juice.

Oh, and the fact that the evidence for acrylamide in food causing cancer is uncertain at best also doesn’t matter. Someone, somewhere, sometime, claimed it might, so paranoia is mandated.

From the same wiki:

As of 2014 it is still not clear whether dietary acrylamide consumption affects people’s risk of developing cancer. Experimental results that are based on feeding acrylamide to animals might not be applicable to humans. Food industry workers exposed to twice the average level of acrylamide do not exhibit higher cancer rates.

We have detoxifying enzyme systems:

On the other hand, acrylamide and glycidamide can be detoxified via conjugation with glutathione to form acrylamide- and isomeric glycidamide-glutathione conjugates, subsequently metabolized to mercapturic acids and excreted in urine.

But that matters not. Feed a few pounds of it to rats and they get sick, well then, can’t have a few micrograms in your coffee… /sarc;


I don’t know if it’s a paranoia act by the PC Food Police, or just Lawyers Gone Wild with a poorly written law (prop.65) or what. Or just a general shake down racket by the government. That it’s absolutely nuts is clear.

We already have “Prop. 65″ warnings (WARNING: This establishment sells products containing chemicals known to the State Of California to cause cancer.” as a rough paraphrase) in pretty much every store possible. All gas stations. Hardware stores. Cleaning supply stores. Grocery stores. etc. etc. We all already 100% ignore them. Is it REALLY going to be any better if coffee shops buy the signs too? (Oh, and car repair places, car parts stores, sporting goods stores, department stores, etc. etc. etc…)

So “Watch This Space” since anyone who sells coffee or ANY other food product with ANY acrylamide in it is up for Lawyer Retirement Plan suits now.

Note that bolded by me “Maillard reaction” bit? That’s what happens when you brown food in a pan to improve the flavor. Browned meat or potatoes or really anything that tastes good from frying – that’s the name of the reaction that makes it taste good and makes it brown. So ANY food cooked hotter than 248 F (i.e. more than boiled) better come with a cancer warning our your company will be up for the shake down and your stock could plummet on the $2500 / head / day penalties.

So, you want BBQ or Baked Bread or a nice Steak, or even just a burger and fries: You either put up that Prop. 65 Cancer Paranoia sign, or get whacked. Oh, and BTW, you can be whacked retroactive as you “ought to have known” since it was announced that acrylamide was “an issue” some time before 2008…

One hopes the judge rules wisely and says folks get 90 days to put up signs and THEN penalties will apply. If it’s a retroactive reward, well, expect a LOT of bankruptcies of folks selling food in California.

One final point:

Some long time ago I read where hot beverages and hot water from the bath (a person of the habit of running hot water on their foot to set the temp) could cause cancer. In theory, this means ANY place with hot drinks or a hot water faucet must also have a Prop. 65 warning or is “up for grabs” in the legal land grab this Pandora’s box represents.

“California, land of fruits and nuts”… unfortunately the Nuts are running the government here and sitting on the court benches… IMHO of course.

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52 Responses to W.O.O.D. – 2 April 2018

  1. H.R. says:

    If you stop breathing, you are dead. So, I’m waiting for the Calorific lawsuit on behalf of someone who did not know that it is important to breathe and subsequently died.

    The lawyers involved will trade in their yachts for new ones that are 20 meters longer and every business will be required to have a sign reminding their customers to breathe.

    I’d put my usual winky here, but I actually think it’s only a matter of time, followed by Eat/Don’t Eat signs. Just remember, you heard it here first on Musings from the Chiefio.

  2. jim2 says:

    In the meantime, PBS and TNYT have kept their noses to the ground, seeking out fake news wherever it might be found. Well, other than CBS, CNBC, NBC, MSNBC, ABC, and of course that staid source of the best news money can buy: CNN.

    They are concerned that Sinclair networks is just too partisan (to the right, of course) – something must be done!!


  3. H.R. says:

    wOw! California magically turned into Calorific. WordPress must have known I was headed to Eat/Don’t Eat after I finished with the Breathe prediction.

    Spooky 😜

  4. E.M.Smith says:


    That’s the new Facebook AI that absorbs your mind and corrects your typing to match what you are thinking (or ought to be thinking). It is activated via a beacon installed in all electronics you own, or touch, if you have ever visited, heard about, or talked about Facebook (or anyone who knows you has…)

    Don’t worry, you’ll get used to it soon enough. Eventually you won’t even have to think for yourself. Facebook will just make sure everything is done ‘right’, their way.

    (Hmmm… to ;sarc/ or not to /sarc; that is the question, whether ’tis flights of fancy or premonition, and by selecting, cause them…)

  5. ossqss says:

    While researching some info on the recent satellite re-entry, I ran across something I didn’t know. Gives finding Nemo a whole new perspective.


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  7. Power Grab says:

    Fear mongers.

  8. A C Osborn says:

    Skripal poisoning. So “who gains” by it?
    Anyone that wants to keep the USA & Russia apart, ie Soros and Co.
    How about the CIA, they need a distraction from what is going on with the 3 initials investigations.

  9. philjourdan says:

    California is just going off the rails. They might as well secede now. The latest (beyond coffee and cancer) is the whole proposition they can dictate to the feds how the feds handle their own land. Clearly unconstitutional, but there are enough Obama judges that ignore the law, and inject their bias into rulings it will take some time to wind its way through the courts.

    We really need to just let them go their own way. In 20 years, they will be where Venezuela is today.

  10. Glenn999 says:

    Let them secede and then before they can buy any military equipment, invade them and force them to force them to follow the rules. In other words, crush them, see them driven before you and to hear the lamentations of their women.

  11. R. de Haan says:

    I followed the critiques by Rand Paul in regard to the budget bill signed by Trump which contained incredible lavish and insane (absolutely useless) programs that only serve one single objective:
    If this continues the entire USA will be where Venezuela is today and much quicker than twenty years.

    Trump is clearly in opposition of the Climate Scam so I was amazed to find out that in the budget we still find funding of UN organizations totally devoted to the Climate Change Doctrine like the World Meteorological Organization who are responsible for all our extremely BIAS FAKE NEWS WEATHER REPORTERS who are pushing their climate crap sauced weather reports every freaking day.

    It really made me wonder where the country is really heading.

  12. llanfar says:

    @R. de Haan: …not a budget (which Trump would be required to follow). An Omnibus bill. Much looser requirements, and given we’re in a declared state of emergency easily sidetracked.

  13. Larry Ledwick says:

    Hmmm interesting, the shooter at youtube has been identified as Nasim Aghdam, but if you seach on startpage for that and last 24 hours you get literally zero hits, bing.com is not blackholing searches. It appears startpage is not as reliable as I thought it would be.

    duckduckgo also has search hits

  14. E.M.Smith says:

    @R. de Haan:

    When trying to take down a massive entrenched opposition, you can not afford to get it all motivated against you at the same time. one picks the battles that can be won and positions for the next.

    Having a government shutdown would have been a big problem for little gain. Trump has carved off a few bits and then set up for some finesse bits (that whole budget vs bill thing) and positioned for the next round. I’m OK with that.

    I’d rather faster, but you can only get done what you can do.


    What shooting? Ought I turn on the US news or the International news?

  15. Larry Ledwick says:

    A women went into youtube offices this afternoon and shot 3 people then killed herself (apparently)
    It was originally pitched as an “active shooter” situation with all the fuss you would expect then when her identity, (persian woman animal right activist who had up rants about youtube demonitizing her videos) the media went dark for a while and all the antigun stuff sort of evaporated. Now they are pushing the coverage toward domestic violence with one man being her intended victim.


  16. E.M.Smith says:

    Ah, I see their dilemma…

    Want to demonize guns / shooter… “Oh Damn! It’s a WOMAN a Persian [so maybe Muslim], and an advocate for puppies and kittens… wrong demographic to demonize for the narrative…”

    So went dark to find a spin… return with “domestic violence evil man” story…

    Carefully ignoring the thought control / censorship story of “demonetizing”…

  17. E.M.Smith says:

    Interesting… even this late, the ABC news on the Roku has a story on it, but it is only a video of people leaving the building hands up with helicopter noise as the sound track. Title “active shooter situation at Youtube” and NO voice / explanation.

    CBSN on Roku looks to have a bit more. 2 stories, one of them “active shooter” the other a follow up with “woman shooter”. Saying one dead, the shooter from self inflicted wound, and 3 others injured including her ‘boyfriend’… Unclear on the other 2.

    Looks like all they have really is speculation.

    NBC adds that of the 4 victims transported: 1 is the dead shooter, one is an ankle injury trying to escape -not shot, one is a ‘gunshot to the leg’, and one is “in critical condition”.

    I’d guess the critical condition is the boyfriend and the leg wound is either a bad aim, or maybe the ‘other woman’ …

    So it’s a Payton Place meets Dr. Phil and that makes the national news?

  18. Larry Ledwick says:

    Oh dear!

    This is interesting! Hard at work for 5 months and only know is the existence of this arraignment going public.


  19. tom0mason says:

    It’s just weather but I note that Saudi Arabia got some more snow…
    I welcome them to a global warming ‘hole’.

  20. E.M.Smith says:


    Oh My! From your link:

    Sessions sent a letter to House Judiciary Committee Chairman Bob Goodlatte (R-VA), House Oversight Committee Chairman Trey Gowdy (R-SC), and Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Chuck Grassley (R-IA), informing them that Huber is conducting a full-fledged criminal investigation into all the matters Republicans are calling for a special counsel to investigate. Huber has been investigating these possible crimes for five months, since November 13, 2017.
    He also informed the chairmen that Inspector General Michael Horowitz, who is working with Huber, has a staff of 470 investigators, giving Huber access to enormous investigative firepower that far exceeds the staff of any special counsel.

    That point is critical because as Sessions’ March 29 letter explains, the inspector general’s jurisdiction to conduct civil and criminal investigations includes “actions taken by former employees after they have left government service.” Then Huber can act on any of those matters.

    As a U.S. attorney, Huber has full authority to empanel a grand jury and to file criminal charges. A grand jury can be empaneled anywhere, which means that it could be a group of citizens from deep-red Utah – in the heart of Trump country – instead of the D.C. Swamp that decides whether to hand down indictments for felony prosecution.

    “The Inspector General’s jurisdiction extends not only to allegations of legal violations, but also to allegations that Department employees violated established practices as well,” Sessions added in his letter, which means that the IG’s report can hold people accountable even for actions that do not violate a specific statute.

    Were I named Clinton I think I’d be looking at a nice vacation villa in the hills of Ecuador near Quito… I’m pretty sure they don’t have extradition to the USA…

    All done quietly, out of the spotlight, while the Yellow Stream Media chased stories of hiked up skirts in the penthouse and who ever had drunk Vodka or talked to an ambassador who’s name was written in a funny alphabet. (Should we tell them that LOADS of folks at NASA have “Russian Contacts” all the time as we hitch rides to space from Russia? Call it “Space Meddling”?)

    Oh please please please let a shit load of the results hit the fan in the month prior to the mid-term elections…


    Yeah, I was reading over at https://www.iceagenow.info/ and it is quite a list of frozen spots.

    Was thinking of making a summary posting here. Then ranted about an SDA link instead ;-)

  21. jim2 says:

    Nice start to my Wednesday! 470!!!! MAGA!!!!

  22. philjourdan says:

    Were I named Clinton I think I’d be looking at a nice vacation villa in the hills of Ecuador near Quito… I’m pretty sure they don’t have extradition to the USA…

    I hear Assange is looking for a roommate….

  23. philjourdan says:

    Trump does not waste his ammunition on minor things. I have been saying that the first shoe (it will not include Clinton) will drop in the fall – just in time for the mid terms. And it will include a lot of democrats either with indictments or the “failure to follow” stuff.

    I am sure Trump is NOT happy that the republicans forced the disclosure of Huber at this point. But he probably has that factored in to his over all plan.

  24. E.M.Smith says:


    A fella can hope can’t he?… (Per Clinton) ;-0

    But yeah, I agree. They will tighten the noose slowly and avoid the look of Banana Republic retribution. Only after enough of the “middle managment” have been sent up and found guilty will it be clear that the top layer was directing it.

    It;s like Dueling Banjos, only with prosecutions…

    Battle of the Legal Bots! On stage tonight! One Decade only folks, get your tickets here!

  25. philjourdan says:

    Your hope is not in vain. Trump is holding that shoe for his re-election. It is a matter of playing to the audience. Trump is not running this year, but the house and senate are. And so the first shoe will deflate the democrats in that respect. Then in 2020, he will drop the other one to basically undercut whoever is the democrat nominee.

    Trump is not thinking Banana Republic. But he does not play any game (and it is a game to him) half way. He plays to win.

  26. Larry Ledwick says:

    The lost story of firearms confiscation in the UK, and how American gun owners helped them by donating private firearms during WWII so the home guard had something other than broom sticks to fight off an invasion by sea.


    The major media goes out of their way not to publish stories the document this history, if you do a google search on key words that should turn up items about the American sportsmen donating home defense arms to the British home guard during WWII it is almost impossible to find. This is one of the best summations of the tale of slow arms confiscation history I have found.

  27. Larry Ledwick says:

    On the immigration front, President Trump in partnership with border state governors will mobilize Nation Guard units for border security.


  28. E.M.Smith says:


    I find it just astounding that the US Military can’t be used to “defend the border”. I would think that would be their first and #1 duty… Oh Well…

    Another interesting question would be: Can Trump declare, say, the 101st Airborne to be assigned to the “coast guard” who DO have the duty to protect our borders, then assign them to the Mexican border? … Creative is as Creative does ;-)

  29. Larry Ledwick says:

    The usual way to side step Posse-comitatus issues is to attach one or two law enforcement people to a military unit. The law enforcement have authorization to conduct law enforcement actions and the military are technically just augmenting man power. The other way is for the National Guard to be activated for state duty by the Governors. The issue here is often cost, if the president agreed to pay the states expenses using military funds that could remove that complication.

    Or I think the Federal Marshal service can deputize National Guard officers or some such also.

  30. Larry Ledwick says:

    The other option would be a Presidential directive asserting a national defense emergency to control border incursions, and direct the military to stop and detain all border crossers in a narrow area adjacent to the border and then hand them off to the border patrol.

    All he would have to do is assert a clear and present danger of armed incursions at the border by drug runners or potential terrorists. I am sure that creative law enforcement has a solution to that.

    For example if a nuclear capable bomber crashes they declare a national security area around the crash site and the military security even out ranks the local sheriff inside that area. We nearly had a guns drawn confrontation on that account many years ago when a B-1 bomber went down in Colorado after taking a bird strike from a pelican to a wing. The sheriff tried to kick the Air Force security police out and declare his authority over the crash site. Technically he was correct in normal circumstances but the national security zone trumped his authority.

  31. Larry Ledwick says:

    Looks like they are going to do the same as last time they mobilized the guard on the border.

  32. Larry Ledwick says:

    Sorry did not expect word press to unroll the whole thread

  33. Larry Ledwick says:

    Rep Louie Gohmert’s statement on the use of National Guard troops at the boarder and the precedents of other Presidents doing the same thing.


  34. E.M.Smith says:


    No worries about the un-roll. It was convenient and saved me clicking links.

    Loved this bit of history from the Gohmert link:

    “It is also critical to note that in March 102 years ago, a liberal Democrat, President Woodrow Wilson, ordered an estimated 75,000 National Guard troops to protect that same southern border after incursions across the U.S. border by Mexicans led by Pancho Villa. This effort placing National Guard military troops on our southern border 102 years ago effectively sealed our border from further illegal raids into the United States. Though President Wilson also sent thousands of troops under the command of General John J. Pershing into Mexico itself to assure of our border’s protection, which, of course, President Trump has no intention of doing. However, it is about time we effectively secure our border once again so that only those entering legally come in. If a liberal Democrat President can do it, we know it can be done.

    IIRC, one of the junior officers under Pershing was a guy named Eisenhower… His experiences then trying to get mobile (trucks) equipment across the country later lead to his advocating for the MILITARY need for the Interstate Highway System. There is NO Federal constitutional authority to build roads for cars and commercial trucks. All those interstates are justified as a Military Need… as in U.S. Army. As in getting them from various forts TO THE BORDER in a hurry in times of need. Like now.

  35. philjourdan says:

    The other shoe of the Interstate system was Nazi Germany. Eisenhower was impressed at how the Germans could move troops around the country on them. That is why he created the system.

  36. Larry Ledwick says:

    Trump eliminates the catch and release immigration policy.


    Josh Caplan
    1 hour ago
    UPDATE: National Guard moving nearly 500 soldiers and airmen to border locations starting tonight – NBC News


    US Attorney General Jeff Sessions has renewed calls to criminally charge people who illegally enter the United States amid efforts by President Donald Trump to crack down on undocumented immigrants.

    Sessions said Friday that he was ordering US Attorneys offices near the Southwest border to prioritize bringing cases against first-time border crossers.

    The offenders are first charged with illegal entry and then deported, but if they are caught crossing illegally again, they can be charged with a felony carrying significant jail time.

    Sessions ordered the US Attorney’s Offices in southern California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas to prosecute all the cases referred under the criminal entry statute, known as 1325, “to the extent practicable.”

    This comes after a memo he issued in April 2017, directing prosecutors to more frequently arrest and criminally charge first-time offenders as well as people with multiple entries.

  37. Larry Ledwick says:

    Well someone is “going down town” in Syria now. Mixed reports on twitter of an attack on the Homs T-4 airbase

  38. E.M.Smith says:

    France24 “crawler” reporting “breaking news” that a missile attack is underway on an air base in Syria BUT the USA (Pentagon) reporting it is not conducting air raids “at this time” and 8 missiles were shot down. The implication being that someone else is doing it, or the USA is being conservative with the truth…

    RT Crawler reports: Israeli defence forces decline to comment on reports of strike on Homs air base in Syria.

  39. E.M.Smith says:

    Looks like another “Conservative anti-immigrant” win. Hungary this time.

    I think the EU core folks, the UN boffins, and the Democrats need to catch some clue that the people, globally, do NOT like wide open borders and globalized degradation of cultures.

    LEGAL and REGULATED migrants are welcome. Chaos and non-assimilation are not.

  40. Zeke says:

    Syria brings back memories of McCain and Kerry trying to start a big one.

  41. Larry Ledwick says:

    Hmmm this scenario seems familiar to me, I recall seeing something like this play out at several former employers (no it was not me, but I came close a couple times)


  42. Steve C says:

    If Jon Rappoport is right, you may soon be required to censor all our comments here with a “fact checker”. Accordingly, I express no opinion whatever on this allegedly possible development until there is authoritative information available from the Government, whom God preserve in their infinite wisdom. [/cya]

  43. A C Osborn says:

    The Syria Gassing has all the same hallmarks of the UK Nerve gas attack.
    All the experts being rolled out with the Statement “It can only be the Russians” and in this case the Syrians.
    Except of course anyone with a modicum of common sense would realise that in both cases the experts are either completely naive, playing a role or just plain lying.
    In this latest case it would be simplicity itself to manufacture said gas with an explosive device and then explode the device during the next bombing raid by Syrian Aircraft to totally discredit both Syria & Russia.
    I am not saying that those two nations weren’t involved but it would appear to be really stupid to do so with the world watching, when as they are winning they can just continue with conventional weapons.

  44. E.M.Smith says:


    I get the same feeling. But the spin I’d put on it is simpler. Obama had a “red line” of “use gas, we are in it”. Want to drag the US in? Round up some kids, put some soap in their mouths and toss some ammonia cleaner in their faces, make a big show of hosing them off as they “foam at the mouth” with some wheezing and red eyes from ammonia inhalation. BINGO! America bombs your opponents. Easy peasy $Millions of bombing done.

    For added effect, take a few ounces of real nerve agent and sprinkle it around the area of the supposed “attack” and toss in an explosives pack.

    I’m just not seeing any way that can be ruled out remotely.

    @Steve C:

    Not here. I have a Florida address already and a Florida ID. That law passes, I’m a legal resident of Florida “just visiting” here. So “my blog” is under Florida law…

    I’m willing to sit in court while folks argue that case. It would make great daily postings ;-)


    Yeah, I got the creapy heeby geebies when Obama and McCain were trying to decide which bad guys were on our side. Something down in side me just kept screaming “What makes you think ANY bad guys are on our side?”… Every single description of the various “rebels” and “ISIL / ISIS” and more just made my spidey sense scream…


    While I’ve never done anything that bad, I’ve been around when folks did almost that bad.

    I did once have to pull the plug on a major Engineering machine. An “Engineering Asshole” had a bug up his butt about a particular obscure security exposure in the email service on that Ultrix box. Wanted us to patch it NOW! But it was already behind 2 layers of firewall and ONLY used by company engineers. We had other much hotter things to deal with.

    Well, a few days later one of my guys detects an issue and tries to “become root”. It fails. We’ve lost the passwd file on the box and someone else IS root (our alarms had alerted). Inside about 3 minutes I’m walking into the computer room and taking a 50 AMP twist lock plug and twisting it out of the socket… After about 20 minutes of looking at (printed out on the log tty) logs, we know who did what. At the 30 minute point, I’m sitting in his bosses office.

    We go look at his computer (he had “gone to lunch because the system was down”) and see it showing his ‘capture the flag’ and then crash as I killed power. He had just moved the /etc/passwd file aside and not quite put his own in place. His boss assures me “It will not happen again” and I assure him that he can, of course, hire anyone he likes, but if it DOES happen again, this guy will be doing his job without any access to engineering computer resources…. and oh, by the way, he can “thank” him for giving ALL OF ENGINEERING a couple of hours of non-productivity…

    We reboot and recover the machine. About 3 weeks later, when it was convenient to our work load, we patched that mail system bug. The person in question never gave us any more trouble. His boss had, it seems, given him a very good “talking to”. His excuse that “failure to patch the bug gave him permission to use it” didn’t fly… (That my guys gave him a ‘special’ login shell for all his accounts that would fry his ass if he did try and that tattled on everything he did too; well, that was something we never had to share… The “become root and die” shell…)

    Have I mentioned it’s “A very BAD idea to annoy the Systems Admin”? Or his boss…

  45. Zeke says:

    A C Osborn says:
    9 April 2018 at 10:59 am
    “The Syria Gassing has all the same hallmarks of the UK Nerve gas attack.
    All the experts being rolled out with the Statement “It can only be the Russians” and in this case the Syrians.”

    There is a pattern emerging. Events such as mass shootings and gas attacks are not only used to advance a political objective, but are also used by FB, twitter, Yt, and Instagram to censor any speech that is skeptical of the details and coverage of these events. Or even points out things that were omitted from the media accounts.

    This is why Julian A has had his internet cut. He questioned the gassing, and he pointed out that Catalan’s elected leaders were being extradited to Germany.
    ref: “John Pilger: Blocking internet access for Julian Assange is a war on freedom of speech”
    dur 11 min.

    I don’t recall agreeing to anything the social media cos are doing, in the user agreements. And it still is illegal for them to contract with these gov’t agencies to spy on Americans. Where is the search warrant? Where is the judge that agreed to the specific item they were looking for? +q

  46. E.M.Smith says:


    It IS fascinating to watch.

    We essentially had “anything goes” wide open speech in the USA up until about W.W.II near as I can tell, and almost “anything goes” after that until about the ’90s. (The censor boards for sex in film were NOT in place for the early B&W stuff and some of it is quite, um, “interesting” ;-)

    Now it’s getting much more like Socialist / Fascist (same thing…) regimes with State Approved speech and “everything else is forbidden” to some degree or another.

    Yet the history of censorship has not racked up many success stories. Strange that it’s still the “Go To Tool” for the oppressors of the world. Especially so since it directly, loudly, and undeniably “fingers” then has despicable oppressors.

    It also does a wonderful job of stimulating underground movements, encryption and secrecy tools, resistance cells, by-pass communications paths, underground rail-roads, etc. etc. Sigh.

    ~”Welcome to the new world, same as the old world… ”

    I wonder if anyone has already mailed a wireless hot spot to Assange…. IF they did and IF any TLA “outed” that it was being used, that would finger the TLA as spying on the Embassy… Hmmm…

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