The more I think about this, the more it offends.
We used to have medical privacy. What you told your doctor was between you and the Doc. Why? So folks would be open about their health issues and not hide things out of fear. Like, oh, Kaposi’s Sarcoma and “why” one might be at risk. It, in fact, forms the foundation of the finding that their is a Constitutional “right to abortion” (as to forbid it would require disclosure of private protected communications). Yet now that’s long forgotten. Everybody and their cousin claims a right to see your medical records / communications. Your employer, the insurance company, the Doctor’s legal department, the Government. Kiss off Medical Privacy. (Especially under ObamaCare). Yet the demise of this “right to medical privacy” has not weakened the abortion finding…
I’m not sure if communications with your Priest is still sacred, or not. It seems that sometimes the Priest can decide to “share” with the police and others if they deem it “appropriate”. Similarly, communications with your psychologist or psychiatrist is now up for grabs as part of the Gun Grabber agenda. (Good or bad isn’t the point, just that it isn’t private any more and there’s a move to get it into Government run databases for national distribution).
About the only private communications left was the Attorney Client Privilege. Yet here we have an attorney having his offices and hotel room raided and documents collected for, supposedly, having conducted a negotiation and contract with Stormy to have her agree to be quiet about sexcapades. BEFORE the election happened. For a then private citizen.
So just WHEN does one give up Attorney Client Privilege (A.C.P.)? When you run for any public office? When you get elected (retro-actively it would seem…)? Whenever some random politicians assign a “Special Prosecutor” for any old unrelated topic? Any time at all?
I’m sorry, but I “just don’t get it”.
The whole idea behind the A.C.P. is that it is essential to justice for a person to have private communications with their legal representative. Toss that out the window, you can kiss off ALL of the legal system. It just becomes a set of show trials based on who has the most investigative power at the moment. (Those in charge use the legal system to stay in charge and those out of power all get screwed over legally to assure it.) We become the world’s largest Banana Republic.
This article, for one, seems to recognize there’s some problem here, and it isn’t all that supportive of Trump:
FBI agents raid Manhattan office of President Trump’s longtime personal lawyer Michael Cohen
FBI agents raided the office and hotel room of President Trump’s personal attorney Michael Cohen on Monday, reportedly confiscating emails, business records and documents relating to a range of topics, including a payment to porn star Stormy Daniels.
At this point that sound you hear is thousands of Lawyers calling up IT consulting companies and asking about document encryption technology… or at least they ought to be doing that…
Federal prosecutors got search warrants for an office Cohen uses at Rockefeller Center and a room he is staying in at the Loews Regency Hotel on Park Avenue after receiving a referral from special counsel Robert Mueller, according to reports and Cohen’s lawyer, Stephen Ryan.
Ryan said the raid was not linked to Mueller’s probe into Russian election meddling, but likely related to information his team had uncovered and flagged for prosecutors in New York.
So Mueller’s charter is “Russian election meddling” but this is not related; so how can he be driving it? Seems like a fishing expedition to me…
The raid was “completely inappropriate and unnecessary,” Ryan charged in a statement, adding that it “resulted in the unnecessary seizure” of records protected by attorney-client privelege, including communications between Cohen and Trump.
Ive bolded the bit that gets my kettle to the simmer… This just seems so wrong.
Trump was outraged by the raid, calling it “disgraceful” and “an attack on our country.”
“It’s an attack on what we all stand for,” Trump told reporters during a bizarre press conference at the White House Monday night.
I saw some of the press conference. Nothing looked “bizarre” to me. Seems someone has strayed from news reporting to emotional garbage collecting…
Trump went on to rip Mueller’s team of investigators as “the most biased group of people I’ve ever seen.” He wouldn’t rule out firing the special counsel.
Please, Mr. President. Do.
They want to play dirty, send them a manure spreader of dirt in return. No more sitting back and taking it. No more “play nice” to the assault. Tit for tat needs to become Tit-meet-nuke. Fire his ass for exceeding his mandate.
“Why don’t I just fire Mueller? Well, I think it’s a disgrace. We’ll see what happens,” Trump said.
Well, at this point I’d expect Trump to consult the attorneys who advise on what is legal to do, but since consulting attorneys is now a public act and subject to raids, I guess our President just has to wing it… Though I do like the sound of “We’ll see what happens”. Fireworks, please. I’ve got a nice Polish Dog and BBQ ready for the post firing fire. BYOB.
Cohen’s attorney did not elaborate on the nature of the seized documents, but a person briefed on the raid told the New York Times that agents confiscated emails and business records relating to a $130,000 payment that Cohen made to Daniels 11 days before the 2016 election. Agents also seized documents relating to possible bank fraud, the source said.
Daniels alleges she accepted the hefty payment in exchange for keeping quiet about having sex with Trump in 2006.
How is it bank fraud to pay off a gold digger?
Frankly, really, I have exactly zero interest in where Mr. Trump sticks his Mr. Happy. None. As long as he is doing the job of President and cleaning up the catastrophe that Washington D.C. has become under both Republicrims and Dimocrats, I’m happy. I don’t even care if he uses the “Kennedy Entrance” tunnel (the one JFK used to sneak out to see Marylin) or arranges a stop at the Bill Clinton Blow Dry Salon (just outside the Oval Office I think…) I also don’t care how much money he shovels at Bimbos to STFU. I just wish they would keep their trap shut. I really really don’t want to hear them complaining about getting so much money for having sex. Makes them sound like prostitutes. Oh, wait…
Experts noted that the raid bodes badly for Cohen — and, perhaps, for Trump as well.
WHICH experts? Those from the Clinton / Obama Support Group? The FBI “Warrants on speed dial” council?
The president may have violated federal election laws if he in any way coordinated or had knowledge of the payment to Daniels. He has denied any knowledge of the payment.
This I also don’t get. How is paying off some blackmail a violation of election law? Isn’t it the blackmailer who’s supposed to be in trouble?
But the search warrant could likely only have been approved because prosecutors had strong evidence to suggest that Cohen and Trump have been involved in something criminal, according to Bradley Simon, a criminal defense attorney who previously worked as an assistant U.S. attorney in Brooklyn.
Brooklyn? Isn’t that a bastion of the Left? Doesn’t Clinton have some kind of facility in N.Y.C. like in Harlem or some such?
“It appears as if Cohen has gone beyond simply providing counsel. It sounds like he’s become a co-conspirator,” Simon told the Daily News.
Co-conspirator to what? Paying a blackmail fee? Giving money to a jilted lover to make her happy?
Jeffrey Cohen, a Brooklyn-based family lawyer who has followed the Trump-Daniels scandal closely, noted that it’s very unusual for judges to approve search warrants targeting communications protected by client-attorney privelege.
“This suggests that Cohen was used, either knowingly or unknowingly, to further a crime or fraud,” Jeffrey Cohen told The News. “This is very bad news for Michael Cohen and it may be very bad news for Donald Trump.”
Roll out the concern trolling. So no chance that it was just a fellow swamp dweller signing off on some juicy news making ploy from the “Get Trump” squad, eh? Seems there’s been a LOT of “easy warrants on speed dial” judges where the FBI has been concerned. Lots of folks willing to entertain ANY legal fantasy as long as it makes news.
I’m not buying it At All that this was a hard warrant to get and needed extraordinary evidence.
Now again we get slander, not news:
In addition to Mueller, Trump attacked Attorney General Sessions, Hillary Clinton and President Barack Obama during his unhinged press conference.
“They’re not looking at the other side,” said Trump, who was flanked by Vice President Pence and newly-minted national security adviser John Bolton. “They’re not looking at Hillary Clinton and all the horrible things that she did and all of the crimes that were committed. They’re not looking at all of the things that happened that everybody is very angry about.”
Nothing “unhinged” in that. It’s exactly what galls me about this whole thing. We have what are clearly career criminal corrupt politicians getting a very free pass for egregious and obvious crimes, and a “nothing burger for a year” special persecutor trying anything and everything in an all out Get Trump effort and coming up empty.
On second thought, “banana republic” is too good for what’s going on now.
Prior Notes On This Topic
There are two other locations with comments on this topic so far. Folks wanting to ‘catch up’ can read prior comments there, and anyone arriving far in the future will not need to hunt to know where to look for the start of the discussion.
Feel free to discuss it in any of the locations. I just was P.O.’d enough about the whole thing, and the obvious “slant” being given to all of it even in the cited article in this posting, that I needed a bit of place to toss stones…
IF the Swamp Dwellers succeed in a “take down” on Trump, they will be faced with more grief from the general public than I care to contemplate. While I’m personally more prone to “Passive Aggressive” forms of resistance, others are more prone to active response. They ought to remember that the reason they have Trump in their grill is that We The People were so fed up with D.C. (BOTH Republican Establishment AND DNC Machine) that he looked like The Best choice and the only one with the guts to “get ‘er done”. The next escalation after a Trump “take down” would be to someone even more “outside” than Trump… “We” will not go quietly into that good night.
I, for one, would see it as a coup d’etat and any subsequent Government as illegitimate. I fear it would spawn a division as strong as that which led to the Civil War. I could easily see a block of States (the “Red States” in the middle of the country) just saying “No, thanks.” and refusing to accept any substitute President. No matter now fancy and polished the legalities; they would be based on a fundamental fraud against the voters.