Why I’m Saying “NO!” To The Mystery Jab

A Semi-Organized set of reasons and links for why I’m saying “No!” to the Mystery Jab. Why “Mystery Jab”? Because we have no idea what this will do to people as individuals, to the whole population on average, to the evolution of the Chinese Wuhan Covid virus, or to nations and their economies as the brown stuff hits the whirly thing.

Really, we don’t.

Pfizer / Moderna threw away their Control Group. With NO control group you can not say what this thing is doing, good or bad, in the short run or long run.

There is NO long term data on side effects, lethality, damage, birth defects, you name it. There simply can not be long term data in a short term creation and use.

The Data, such as exists, is so screwed up as to be worse than useless. VAERS is voluntary and not quality controlled. “Studies” are being pumped out (and published…) that are so obviously flawed as to be deliberate lies. (Like several that give a drug to stop virus replication AFTER the virus has fully replicated and is in the “decline with fragments of virus causing shock” stage). People who have been given the vaccine are counted as “UNvaccinated” in death and damage reports. And more.

https://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2021/09/05/the-government-and-cdc-are-lying-about-covid19-vaccine-and-ivermectin-the-question-is-why-n2595312

First, are you aware that anyone who dies within 14 days of getting vaccinated is considered “unvaccinated”? No wonder they claim everyone who is dying is unvaccinated. If you die from COVID-19, whether you’re vaccinated or unvaccinated, they just call you unvaccinated.

So since the “vaccine” causes the same spike protein to be created as the actual infection, and you were injected with a gene therapy that causes the creation of spike proteins, AND the spike protein alone has been shown to be the damage causing agent, AND the definition of Covid-19 was changed to be just “It looks like it” (no test necessary) AND the hospital gets a $30,000 or so bonus for putting that on your chart… then it is up until 2 weeks after your SECOND shot that you are counted among the “UNvaccinated”: Just how in hell can you say how many the “shot” are killing vs the actual virus? Eh?

All “Newspaper Clippings” of the form “50% more Unvaxxed dying than Vaxxed” are lying crap. The statistics are so buggered the best they could say honestly is “Something bad happened and we don’t know what”. Like the ZERO Flu Deaths last year… do you really believe it was zero? (Or near enough compared to normal to effectively be zero in the statistical sense).

FWIW, the slime bucket “Fact Checkers” have learned well how to lie with statistics. Normally we have somewhere around 200,000 flu deaths. They dug up a couple of hundred (that might well be random / wrong diagnosis anyway) so call this “false”. Well, OK, it is “Zero” to “only” 3 decimal places. That’s functionally zero.

https://checkyourfact.com/2021/02/27/fact-check-zero-people-died-flu-2020-2021-season/

While the CDC does report that flu activity has been lower than usual for this time of year, it is inaccurate to say no one in the U.S. has died from the flu during the 2020-2021 season. There were 292 deaths involving the flu between Oct. 1, 2020, and Jan. 16, 2021, according to Today.

Note that their “authoritative source” is another rag “Today”, not official statistics.

“Fact Checkers” are at best propaganda packagers, adding to the fog of no real information.

Flu deaths were reported as functionally zero. The flu often caused PCR tests (that were run at so many cycles that even Red Bull tested positive for Covid. 40 when anything over 25 is un-diagnostic due to ever higher false positive rates) to report Flu as Covid Positive. How many of the “Covid” deaths were the normal annual flu deaths? We have no idea.

So yes, it is a mystery what this drug / gene therapy is doing. Nor do we know what the actual Covid case rates were, nor the actual Covid mortality, nor much of anything else. The testing and data are thoroughly corrupted. We don’t even know why they are so corrupted. Error? Fraud? Plan?

It is bad public health policy

This experimental gene therapy is causing more harm than good:

https://www.scivisionpub.com/pdfs/us-covid19-vaccines-proven-to-cause-more-harm-than-good-based-on-pivotal-clinical-trial-data-analyzed-using-the-proper-scientific–1811.pdf

Yet the data and the reporting as so buggered that it is hard to actually find any data that isn’t politicized.

BOLD done by me.

US COVID-19 Vaccines Proven to Cause More Harm than Good Based on
Pivotal Clinical Trial Data Analyzed Using the Proper Scientific Endpoint,
“All Cause Severe Morbidity”
Classen Immunotherapies, Inc, 3637 Rockdale Road, Manchester,
MD
J. Bart Classen, MD*

ABSTRACT

Three COVID-19 vaccines in the US have been released for sale by the FDA under Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) based on a clinical trial design employing a surrogate primary endpoint for health, severe infections with COVID-19. This clinical trial design has been proven dangerously misleading. Many fields of medicine, oncology for example, have abandoned the use of disease specific endpoints for the primary endpoint of pivotal clinical trials (cancer deaths for example) and have adopted “all cause mortality or morbidity” as the proper scientific endpoint of a clinical trial. Pivotal clinical trial data from the 3 marketed COVID-19 vaccines was reanalyzed using “all cause severe morbidity”, a scientific measure of health, as the primary endpoint. “All cause severe morbidity” in the treatment group and control group was calculated by adding all severe events reported in the clinical trials. Severe events included both severe infections with COVID-19 and all other severe adverse events in the treatment arm and control arm respectively. This analysis gives reduction in severe COVID-19 infections the same weight as adverse events of equivalent severity. Results prove that none of the vaccines provide a health benefit and all pivotal trials show a statically significant increase in “all cause severe morbidity” in the vaccinated group compared to the placebo group. The Moderna immunized group suffered 3,042 more severe events than the control group (p=0.00001). The Pfizer data was grossly incomplete but data provided showed the vaccination group suffered 90 more severe events than the control group (p=0.000014), when only including “unsolicited” adverse events. The Janssen immunized group suffered 264 more severe events than the control group (p=0.00001). These findings contrast the manufacturers’ inappropriate surrogate endpoints: Janssen claims that their vaccine prevents 6 cases of severe COVD-19 requiring medical attention out of 19,630 immunized; Pfizer claims their vaccine prevents 8 cases of severe COVID-19 out of 21,720 immunized; Moderna claims its vaccine prevents 30 cases of severe COVID-19 out of 15,210 immunized. Based on this data it is all but a certainty that mass COVID-19 immunization is hurting the health of the population in general. Scientific principles dictate that the mass immunization with COVID-19 vaccines must be halted immediately because we face a looming vaccine induced public health catastrophe.

Doing “self harm” is a mental illness. I’m not mentally ill. I’ll not do “self harm”.

Leaky Is as Leaky Does

The use of a very leaky vaccine during a pandemic selects for variants that escape the vaccine and become MORE infective and MORE damaging.

Natural selection without a leaky vaccine selects for variants that are less damaging and with lower symptoms. Eventually evolving into a benign endemic bug that then ceases to matter.

What we are doing is “Exactly Wrong” from a public health standpoint. This is well known and well proven and available in many authoritative sources. This guy is an expert in it:

https://www.geertvandenbossche.org/post/the-last-post

This is why experts currently look at the impact of mass vaccination campaigns either as at a glass that is half full (‘the vaccines work’!) or one that is half empty (‘the vaccines don’t work well enough’). That is precisely THE issue: A vaccine that only prevents hospitalizations and severe Covid-19 disease is not good enough to be used to combat a pandemic. From a global or even public health perspective, these are, therefore, not the right criteria to evaluate the success of mass vaccination campaigns deployed during a pandemic. Using these criteria as an indicator of the level of control over the pandemic will inevitably lead to a further escalation of this morbidity and mortality rates. There should be no doubt that non-transmission-blocking vaccines (i.e., so-called ‘leaky’ or ‘imperfect’ vaccines) can never ever control a pandemic, even though they may temporarily protect against disease. Only temporarily? Yes, indeed. Given the globally increasing immune pressure and concomitant infectious viral pressure, genomic epidemiologists have no doubt that this pandemic roller coaster will not stop before it takes us over the cliff into the abyss of complete viral resistance to anti-spike (S) antibodies. That is where all runaway trains of the different ongoing pandemics of highly infectious variants will be coming together and converge into a big whirl where they can no longer be distinguished from one another. The first stages of this evolution is what we now begin to see in countries which have already massively vaccinated their population (e.g., Israel). There is no doubt that other countries like the United Kingdom and the United States will soon go down the same path. Due to increasing resistance to neutralizing anti-S antibodies (Abs), these countries are now even beginning to shift from a primarily beneficial (i.e., less susceptible to severe disease) to a primarily detrimental effect (more susceptible to severe disease) in the vaccinated as compared to the unvaccinated
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India, for example, has recently been witnessing a spectacular decline in cases although clear evidence has been provided that Covid-19 vaccines have, if at all, only minor impact on transmission of the highly infectious Delta variant, which was responsible for India’s surge in cases during April-May 2021. This is unambiguous proof that the steep decline in cases was primarily caused by immune defense mechanisms that were not based on protection from disease (as provided by Covid-19 vaccines) but on protection from infection and transmission (2) (as provided by natural immunity). Innate polyreactive Abs that are directed against non-mutable common structures of otherwise highly mutable CoVs likely protect against all kinds of different CoVs, including their variants. This is in sharp contrast to anti-S-specific vaccinal Abs, which can escape from spike variants. It is fair, therefore, to conclude that mass vaccination campaigns are not responsible for the abrupt decline of cases observed after a prominent surge but that this effect is primarily due to the sterilizing effect of both acquired and innate antiviral immunity. This clearly illustrates that declines in surges that are correlated with an aggressive roll-out of mass vaccination campaigns do not imply that these campaigns are the cause of the decline.

Conclusively, mass vaccination campaigns during a pandemic of highly infectious variants fail to control viral transmission. Instead of contributing to building HI, they dramatically delay natural establishment of HI (Vanden Bossche, August 2021). This is why the ongoing universal vaccination campaigns are absolutely detrimental to public and global health.

The “Vaccines” have a lot of side effects, and FAIL to work

Natural Immunity lasts at least years and may be lifelong. It is to both Spike proteins and Capsule proteins. The Jab gives you about 6 months of an excess of antibodies to the spike ONLY, but fade at 40% / month and then you are left with LESS immunity. Non-Neutralizing Antibodies that may cause Antibody Dependent Enhancement (as seen in Denge and in SARS-Cov-1 vaccine attempts, that ended in death…)

WHY are will giving a vaccine that has limited benefit of short duration and may then result in WORSE outcomes after that, to people who are in low risk of severe disease anyway? Those under 40 and with no significant co-morbidities?

Worse, why are we giving the jab to folks with SUPERIOR Natural Immunity? At best you are exposing them to all the vaccine risks (that are HUGE with these shots) and at worse you are swapping natural broad immunity for excess production of antibodies to a Spike Protein that has already mutated to escape the vaccine.

The Delta and Mu Variants have already escaped the vaccine and turn the Vaccinated into Superspreaders (non-symptomatic virus shedding machines).

https://sharylattkisson.com/2021/09/covid-19-natural-immunity-compared-to-vaccine-induced-immunity-the-definitive-summary/

Updated Sept. 12 with CDC-funded study finding U.S. population reached what some experts said is “herd immunity” levels last May. Also, updated CDC number of fully-vaccinated hospitalizations and deaths with Covid.

Updated Sept. 8 with new study in Science Transitional Medicine and recommended spacing of Covid-19 RNA shots due to declining effectiveness and lack of effectiveness of vaccine mandates

Updated Aug. 27 with large Israel study that finds dramatically better protection from natural immunity than vaccination

Updated Aug. 24 with Israel changing policies with recognition that the Pfizer vaccine allegedly wears off after several months.

Updated Aug. 6 with CDC analysis of Kentucky (unvaccinated Kentuckians had “2.34 times the odds of reinfection” compared with fully vaccinated) and national analysis in Israel (vaccinated Israelis were 6.72 times more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection). More below.

That “odds” line is misleading. It is 2.34 times BETTER ODDS when it comes to reinfections.

Recent CDC data found that 74% of those who tested positive for Covid-19 in a Massachusetts analysis had been fully-vaccinated. Equally as troubling for those advocating vaccination-for-all: four out of five people hospitalized with Covid were fully-vaccinated. And CDC said “viral load” — indicating how able the human host is to spread Covid-19 — is about the same among the vaccinated and unvaccinated. Contrary to the infamous misinformation by CDC Director Rochelle Walensky last May, vaccinated people can— and are— spreading Covid. (CDC officials later corrected Walensky’s false claim.)
[…]
Illinois health officials recently announced more than 160 fully-vaccinated people have died of Covid-19, and at least 644 been hospitalized; ten deaths and 51 hospitalizations counted in the prior week. Israel’s Health Ministry recently said effectiveness of the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine has fallen to 40 percent. Last month, 100 vaccinated British sailors isolated on a ship at sea reportedly came down with Covid seven weeks into their deployment. In July, New Jersey reported 49 fully vaccinated residents had died of Covid; 27 in Louisiana; 80 in Massachusetts. In Iceland there is a spike in cases, mostly among the vaccinated, among a highly-vaccinated population that had previously claimed to have defeated Covid-19. Of 116 cases diagnosed in one day, 73 were among the vaccinated; 43 were unvaccinated.

The Vaccine does not work.

It offers a little protection for a few months, then fails catastrophically as the antibodies are formed against a highly changing part of the virus AND they decrease at 40% / month.

Natural antibodies decrease 5% / month AND your T & B cells are trained to remember the virus and how to make capsule antibodies if they see it again. The capsule does not change much at all.

There is a very real potential for Original Antigenic Sin, and Antibody Dependent Enhancement.

(Original Antigenic Sin is where you just keep making antibodies to the first form of the virus you ever saw as it evades your immunity. Flu likely does this. A very good video on that is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48Klc3DPdtk. ADE is when your Neutralizing antibodies drop low enough that non-neutrilizing antibodies can connect the virus to your white blood cells, but without inactivating them, and the virus then kills the white blood cells. This is part of how HIV works.)

This is a catastrophe unfolding NOW in the most early and heavily vaccinated places. How fast and how far are unknown at present. At minimum these folks will get bad cases of Covid. At worst they will die. In between is unknown.

Then, the bad side effects of the mRNA “vaccines” are being swept under the rug. MANY healthy people die of what are likely side effects and it is brushed off with a cavalier “unrelated” pronouncement when the experimental protocol requires analysis.

Some things, like rampant clotting (both large CVTs and hepatic thrombosis that are well documented and broad micro-clotting potentially leading to massive deaths from pulmonary hypertension leading to cardiac failure in a couple of years) are being discussed by physicians. When they are not being muzzled by a rampant Cancel Culture.

Then there’s the “exotic and new”. A LOT of folks are showing odd auto-immunity problems after the jab. (As I am prone to auto-immunity I’m unwilling to be that guinea pig…). I know one person who went down hill from healthy to dead in about a month. His immune system just attacking himself all over. Then there’s this:

https://www.ophthalmologytimes.com/view/covid-19-vaccine-may-be-linked-to-bilateral-cornea-melting

COVID-19 vaccine may be linked to bilateral cornea melting
September 10, 2021
Lynda Charters

A 48-year-old male patient presented to an ophthalmic emergency department with what was described as progressive bilateral corneal melting 5 weeks after he received the first dose of a COVID-19 vaccine.

Physicians in New Delhi reported a rare case of bilateral immune-mediated keratolysis (corneal melting) after administration of 1 dose of the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 (Covishield, AstraZeneca) vaccination.1

This case may demonstrate a temporal association between this severe ocular adverse event after 1 dose of any of the available SARS-CoV-19 vaccines, according to first author Tanveer Alam Khan, MD, and colleagues from the Cornea, Cataract and Refractive Surgery Services, Dr. Rajendra Prasad Centre for Ophthalmic Sciences, All India Institute of Medical Sciences, New Delhi, India.

The patient was a 48-year-old man who presented to the ophthalmic emergency department with what was described as progressive bilateral corneal melting 5 weeks after he received the first dose of the COVID-19 vaccine.

The patient reported having experienced fever, diarrhea, and vomiting during the first 2 weeks following the vaccination, which then subsided before the ocular symptoms began 3 weeks after he received the vaccination.

Ocular examination showed a visual acuity of light perception bilaterally with features of bilateral corneal melting with choroidal detachment on ultrasonography. Culturing was negative for microorganisms.

The patient underwent tectonic penetrating keratoplasty and the host corneal tissue was sent for analysis that included histopathology, bacterial and fungal cultures, polymerase chain reaction for herpes simplex virus, varicella zoster virus, cytomegalovirus, adenovirus, and SARS-CoV-2.

“Microbial culture was sterile, and viral polymerase chain reaction reports were negative. Histopathological examination revealed dense inflammatory cell infiltration,” the investigators wrote.

According to investigators, a detailed systemic workup revealed no underlying systemic or autoimmune pathology.

“Immune-mediated keratolysis after the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 (Covishield) vaccination is a rare entity, and we believe that this is the first report of a temporal association between a serious ocular adverse event after a single dose of any SARS-CoV-19 vaccine,” investigators concluded. “It may be included as a possible adverse event associated with this vaccine.”

The various auto-immune problem reports vary a lot by target tissue and mostly have onset a month to a couple of months after the first or second shot. This makes it very hard to attribute causality. But when I know 2 folks personally who bit the dust under strange coincident timing and others are noticing it too, well, let’s just say I’d be more confident if:

A) The Control Group were not thrown away.
B) The mandated adverse reaction tracking were being done.
C) Folks were not actively sweeping under the rug bad outcomes.
D) Folks didn’t just “dismiss out of hand” but actually investigated.

I don’t walk into that kind of quagmire of unknowns and snakes without some good reason, and I don’t have a good reason.

I’m using a very effective prophylactic used by Medical Professionals in daily contact with the virus.

FLCCC & Dr. Zelenko Have It Right

Ivermectin works. With near zero risk or side effects. I’ve been using it about 1.5 years now with NOTHING wrong.

https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/

In October of 2020, ivermectin was adopted as a core medication in our protocols for the prevention and treatment of COVID-19. For more information on ivermectin please go to our new Ivermectin in COVID-19 page. You can also read our review paper, which was published in the May 1, 2021, edition of the American Journal of Therapeutics as the “Review of the Emerging Evidence Demonstrating the Efficacy of Ivermectin in the Prophylaxis and Treatment of COVID-19”.

Ivermectin, an anti-parasitic medicine that is on the WHO’s list of essential medicines, has been given 3.7 billion times around the globe, and has won the Nobel prize in 2015 for its global and historic impacts in eradicating endemic parasitic infections in many parts of the world. Ivermectin has proven to be highly potent against COVID-19. It has shown antiviral and anti-inflammatory properties in observational and randomized controlled studies conducted throughout the world. Practitioners and Health Ministries who have adopted Ivermectin in treatment protocols report significant reductions in time to recovery, hospitalizations, and death. The use of Ivermectin as prophylaxis and prevention has also been proven in studies to reduce the spread of infection and offer protection to high-risk individuals.

HydroxyChloroQuine and other Zinc Ionophors work:

Dr. Zelenko has cured hundreds of patients, and with his peers has cured thousands, using various zinc ionophors + zinc. Many “papers” have been written saying they tried it and it didn’t work, and you universally find they apply the drugs AFTER replication has happened to an end point (i.e. hospitalized) and without zinc.

A zinc ionophore is useless without zinc (it is the zinc that stops the replication, the ionophore just gets it into the cell) and an anti-replication therapy is useless when replication is nearly done.

https://vladimirzelenkomd.com/prophylaxis-protocol/

Protocol for Low and Moderate Risk Patients:
Elemental Zinc 25mg 1 time a day Vitamin D3 5000iu 1 time a day Vitamin C 1000mg 1 time a day Quercetin 500mg 1 time a day until a safe and efficacious vaccine becomes available If Quercetin is unavailable, then use Epigallocatechin-gallate (EGCG) 400mg 1 time a day.

Protocol for High Risk Patients:
Elemental Zinc 25mg once a day Vitamin D3 5000iu 1 time a day Hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) 200mg 1 time a day for 5 days, then 1 time a week until a safe and efficacious vaccine becomes available If HCQ is unavailable, then use the Protocol for Low and Moderate Risk Patients.
https://Www.Ncbi.Nlm.Nih.Gov/Pmc/Articles/PMC7365891/
https://Www.Ncbi.Nlm.Nih.Gov/Pmc/Articles/PMC7318306/
https://Pubs.Acs.Org/Doi/10.1021/Jf5014633
https://Www.Preprints.Org/Manuscript/202007.0025/V1

Why should I take an unproven highly risky shot that has already failed and has horrible outcomes in many, up to and including death, when I can be protected with some of the most widely used and safe drugs in the world?

Quercetin is over the counter as an herbal food supplement. (Zinc ionophores are common in nature and are found in many plants)

The push to SLANDER cheap drugs and OTC herbals that work, and promote highly expensive things that do not work, stinks of Big Pharma Exploitation.

I don’t do “exploitation”, either as actor or recipient.

The Big Push Stinks Of Bum’s Rush

Violation of prior standards (50 deaths pulls a vaccine, but there are thousands already with this gene therapy).

Violation of “my body my choice” ethics.

The use of coercion / bully tactics that are against the law.

Mandates that violate HIPPA (medical information is private), The ADA (disabled folks can not be discriminated against, yet, for example, M.S. sufferers are disabled and can not get the shot, so must lose their job?), and potentially Nuremberg Protocols. (I can NOT give “informed consent” to a Medical Experiment when it is not possible to be informed. That lack of a control group and long term data).

This is all just wrong. I don’t DO “wrong” and I certainly can not support coercion and bullying. Nor will I allow my rights to privacy and self ownership to be removed. I will not be a Lab Rat for Pfizer (or any of the other Drug Companies who have behaved horridly in all this).

For example, the push to “vaccinate” children when we know they have near zero risk.

https://townhall.com/columnists/wayneallynroot/2021/09/05/the-government-and-cdc-are-lying-about-covid19-vaccine-and-ivermectin-the-question-is-why-n2595312

The vaccine isn’t just failing, it’s a spectacular fail. It wore off. It no longer works. And just as my holistic doctor friends predicted, it makes the next wave far worse. These doctors say vaccinated people are far more contagious; they carry heavier viral loads and are far more susceptible to getting severe illness than someone with “natural immunity.”

This experiment with an “experimental, emergency-use-only” vaccine is a great big failure. A dangerous and deadly failure.

But at this very moment, Biden, the CDC and the U.S. media are pushing the vaccine, vaccine mandates and vaccine passports harder than ever. The question is why?

Why is forcing every American to get vaccinated so important at the exact moment Israel proves the vaccine they’re pushing is a dramatic, dangerous and deadly failure?

And it’s not just Israel. In the UK, a majority of the COVID-19 deaths last month were among vaccinated people. And the UK death rate from COVID-19 today is dramatically higher than a year ago — when there was no vaccine.

Separate from all that, the VAERS vaccine reporting system reports the vaccine itself is causing tremendous rates of death and crippling injuries. So, vaccinated Americans are dying and becoming severely sick from the vaccine, in addition to dying and becoming severely sick from COVID-19 after getting the vaccine.

And none of this is featured in the news. It’s a total media blackout.

Worse yet, the same government, CDC and media are trying desperately to denigrate and slander the drug that is most successful in treating COVID-19. It’s called ivermectin. In my next column, I’ll show you conclusive proof from around the world that ivermectin is miraculously effective versus COVID-19.

Therapeutics / Prophylactics Work, But Are Suppressed

Violation of the Hippocratic Oath for starters. We have several known proven effective prophylactic and therapeutic treatments that are being actively suppressed. There is NO doubt on this. The suppression is broad and deep. Vilification of 2 of the most safe drugs on the planet, often with lies, is rampant. Even fraudulent papers being published.

Why would I turn around and trust the medical “advice” (more like demands) of those same charlatans? Eh? That would be very stupid. I don’t “do” stupid well at all. Never if I can avoid it.

https://journals.lww.com/americantherapeutics/fulltext/2021/06000/review_of_the_emerging_evidence_demonstrating_the.4.aspx

THERAPEUTIC ADVANCE
Review of the Emerging Evidence Demonstrating the Efficacy of Ivermectin in the Prophylaxis and Treatment of COVID-19
Kory, Pierre MD1,*; Meduri, Gianfranco Umberto MD2; Varon, Joseph MD3; Iglesias, Jose DO4; Marik, Paul E. MD

American Journal of Therapeutics: May/June 2021 – Volume 28 – Issue 3 – p e299-e318

Data Sources:

Data were sourced from published peer-reviewed studies, manuscripts posted to preprint servers, expert meta-analyses, and numerous epidemiological analyses of regions with ivermectin distribution campaigns.

Therapeutic Advances:

A large majority of randomized and observational controlled trials of ivermectin are reporting repeated, large magnitude improvements in clinical outcomes. Numerous prophylaxis trials demonstrate that regular ivermectin use leads to large reductions in transmission. Multiple, large “natural experiments” occurred in regions that initiated “ivermectin distribution” campaigns followed by tight, reproducible, temporally associated decreases in case counts and case fatality rates compared with nearby regions without such campaigns.

Conclusions:

Meta-analyses based on 18 randomized controlled treatment trials of ivermectin in COVID-19 have found large, statistically significant reductions in mortality, time to clinical recovery, and time to viral clearance. Furthermore, results from numerous controlled prophylaxis trials report significantly reduced risks of contracting COVID-19 with the regular use of ivermectin. Finally, the many examples of ivermectin distribution campaigns leading to rapid population-wide decreases in morbidity and mortality indicate that an oral agent effective in all phases of COVID-19 has been identified.

The “Mandates” Are Likely Illegal, and Professionals Are Standing Up For Their Rights

https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/politics/atty-representing-lafayette-hospital-employees-sends-demand-letter-4-vax-mandate-removal/98068019/

Atty representing Lafayette hospital employees sends Demand Letter 4 Vax Mandate removal

Posted on 9/1/21 at 10:20 am

An attorney representing Lafayette hospital employees and staff sent a demand letter to hospitals this morning seeking removal of covid vaccine mandates. If not done then suit will be filed.

It’s not anti-vaccine in nature— rather, the demand is based upon an individual’s right to determine their own healthcare, and employers cannot force employees to do anything that violates law.
[…]
The demand was sent to both hospitals Lourdes and ochsner

Demand Letter in the link. It points out that the Employees can not give “Informed Consent” and any coercion to force that is illegal. Coerced Consent is not Informed Consent is is a violation of law

I’ll not be Coerced.

People Closest To This AND Most Educated, Reject Mandates

Contrary to popular belief, the folks rejecting forced injections are those with higher degrees and more well read in the literature, those closest to the field experience (Covid MDs and Nurses) and those with prior experience with failed experimental medical treatments.

It is not Trump Supporters who are least Vaxxed, it is Blacks. To preferentially deny a minority race jobs is discrimination of the worst kind. Why Blacks? They were, historically, subjected to “experimental medicine” without their informed consent and they remember…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study

The Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male (informally referred to as the Tuskegee Experiment or Tuskegee Syphilis Study) was an ethically abusive study conducted between 1932 and 1972 by the United States Public Health Service (PHS) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) on a group of nearly 400 African Americans with syphilis. The purpose of the study was to observe the effects of the disease when untreated, though by the end of the study it was entirely treatable. The men were not informed of the nature of the experiment, and more than 100 died as a result.

So no, they don’t trust what the CDC says, and with good reason. Last I looked, Asians were most injected, blacks least. Whites next after Asians. Hispanics half way between whites and blacks.

It is an odd thing, that both the highly aware and educated and the lowest educated Blacks agree on this point.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/americans-with-phds-are-most-reluctant-to-get-vaccinated-against-covid/ar-AANjRHh

People with a PhD are the most hesitant when it comes to getting the Covid-19 vaccine, according to a paper by researchers from Carnegie Mellon University and the University of Pittsburgh.

One group from historical experience with “experimental” and the CDC and memory of that, the other via being widely read in the literature on it.

I am very very widely read on it.

Then there’s the Medical Staff:

https://www.fr24news.com/a/2021/09/the-new-york-hospital-will-stop-giving-birth-after-staff-leave-due-to-the-vaccination-mandate.html

The New York Hospital will stop giving birth after staff leave due to the vaccination mandate. – .

September 12, 20210136

A hospital in upstate New York said it would stop giving birth for a period of time later this month after several staff resigned on a COVID-19 vaccine term. At least six Maternity staff at Lewis County General Hospital recently resigned and seven others remain undecided about their future as the state mandate is expected to come into effect. The resignations, coupled with a number of existing vacancies, mean the hospital will be “unable to safely staff” its maternity ward from September 25, said Gerald Cayer, chief executive of the Lewis County Health System, at a press conference. . “The number of resignations we have received leaves us with no choice but to put the delivery on hold at Lewis County General Hospital,” Cayer said. Other departments may also see a decrease in services.

Resignations will continue until sanity returns to Science, Cancel Culture is itself canceled, and both Individual Rights and Individual Liberties once again are paramount.

I’m on the side of Rights & Liberties and against Stupid & Mandates.

Epilog

In case you do not believe that those folks who have gotten the injection are counted as “UNvaccinated”, here’s a second source:
https://newsrescue.com/trust-science-cdc-counts-people-who-died-within-14-days-of-jab-as-unvaccinated/

Trust the Science? CDC Counts People Who Died Within 14 Days of Jab as “Unvaccinated”
By NewsRescue -August 25, 2021

Yahoo Finance published an article with the headline, “Unvaccinated LA residents were 29 times more likely to be hospitalized with COVID-19: CDC study.”

Citing the Los Angeles County Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report released on Tuesday, even local news promoted the claim that “Unvaccinated L.A. County residents [are] 5 times more likely to get COVID, 29 times more likely to be hospitalized.”

Looking at a screenshot of the CDC release, one can observe the definitions for what they consider “fully vaccinated,” “partially vaccinated,” or “unvaccinated.”

According to the chart, “unvaccinated <14 (less than 14) days receipt of the first dose of a 2-dose series or 1 dose of the single-dose vaccine or if no vaccination registry data were available.”

This means if someone was hospitalized, admitted to ICU, required mechanical ventilation or died within two weeks of getting the jab they are being counted as “unvaccinated.”

It then includes a screen shot of a CDC report.

Unfortunately, because the data is not specific enough, we don’t know how many truly unvaccinated people were hospitalized or died of Covid in Los Angeles County from May to late July.

The entire report can basically be tossed into the trash thanks to the inclusion of the recently vaccinated in the unvaccinated category.

This intentionally misleading data is now being used to infringe on the rights of the people of California and across the entire United States as vaccine mandates and passports are being rolled out nationwide.

Prior Rushed Vaccines Have Not Gone Well

Another group of folks who are saying “No!” is the last group to get a rushed and poorly tested vaccine.

Gulf War vets given the Anthrax vaccine report bad juju.

https://thelawdogfiles.blogspot.com/2020/12/cue-maniacal-laughter.html

TUESDAY, DECEMBER 22, 2020
*cue maniacal laughter*
During the lead-up to the little unpleasantness variously known as “Desert Storm”, “The First Gulf War”, and “Opening Moves Of The Latest Unending War” the US military instituted a mandatory anthrax vaccination program.

Right, wrong, or indifferent, that vaccine has been blamed for a lot of ills being suffered by veterans of that conflict, so — out of curiosity, you understand — I asked some Desert Storm veterans if they were planning on taking the COVID vaccine.

The replies were … unprintable. One might even say “corrosive in the extreme”. The politest response was maniacal laughter, followed by, “You’re serious? [Deleted] that, ask me again after someone else has guinea-pigged it for a couple of years.”

I haven’t seen any outreach towards those folks, or to the families and caretakers of those folks afflicted with Gulf War Syndrome, who (correctly or incorrectly) attribute that condition to the mandatory vaccine.

Nothing on the media, or from the Fed.gov.

Y’all might want to get ahead of the curve on that one.

Just saying.

LawDog
Posted by LawDog at 1:00 PM
23 comments:
Anonymous said…
I canvased out two Patriotic Sand War vets and the answers were No and Hell No.

Gerry

1:26 PM
Anonymous said…
Required for the job…….and I’m really on the fence about it. If I can delay a bit, I might get myself moved before they come for me….

1:32 PM
Kentucky Packrat said…
I’m happily letting our elected officials and those over 70 get it first. I’m afraid that the shot might become mandatory for a foreign trip I have scheduled 2Q, but I also expect that to get rescheduled.

I had a co-worker whose son got too many Gulf War vaccines at once. The side-effects gave him epilepsy, the loss of his helicopter pilot’s license and his driver’s license, and a disability discharge (not 100%, though). I doubt he’s getting the Kung Flu vaccine either.

2:06 PM
Rat Bastard said…
In the military, vaccines are mandatory, but the USN has made this Voluntary!

3:51 PM
redneckmp said…
im a bit young for the 1st gulf war bit of it but i was in uniform for the dust up with the anthrax vaccine in the early to mid 2000’s yeah that was all kinds of fun so a snowball has a better chance in hell than me getting the kung flu shot
4:04 PM

I trust the folks in Uniform with prior direct experience with a similar process a whole lot more than I trust “Payoff laden conflicted flip-flopper” Faucci who has taken several sides on masks alone. I’ll take M.D.s working in the front lines of Covid over a petty government functionary who has not seen a patient in 30 years and changes his mind with the political winds.

Then, finally, the Tide Is Already Turning:

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/reversal-britain-scraps-covid-vaccine-passports

In reversal, Britain scraps COVID vaccine passports

British health chief says it was “absolutely right” łto have explored vaccine passports, but the idea will be “kept in the reserves.”

Great Britain has reversed course and scrapped plans to impose COVID-19 vaccine passports.

British Health Secretary Sajid Javid declared Sunday the long-threatened passports won’t be introduced as a measure to fight the virus as the country enters winter.

“I am pleased to say that we will not be going ahead with plans for vaccine passports,” Javid told the BBC.

Javid said it was “absolutely right” of the Boris Johnson Administration to have explored vaccine passports, but the idea will be “kept in the reserves.”

Mum was British. And I’ve watched a lot of “Yes, Minister”. “was Absolutely Right” is how a politician says “God that was dumb and we got our arse handed to us, but I won’t admit it and hope this covers it”, and “kept in the reserves” is how you say “Maybe when this stops hurting so much we will try to sneak it through again, but for now it is nuclear hot”.

I’d rather be the one putting the torch to the Political Arses than the one violating my own ethics, beliefs, and standards; letting go of my rights and freedoms, and “bending the knee” to tyrants.

So no, I’ll not accept any “Mandates”, and No I’ll not be working under those conditions, and NO! I’ll not be getting an unknown, inadequately tested, sickness inducing substance injected into me against my will and much better judgement just to satisfy some power grabbing idiot with an edict.

Sorry, I’m just not built that way. I’m built to hold the line, take the bullets and THEN still win.

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67 Responses to Why I’m Saying “NO!” To The Mystery Jab

  1. Steve C says:

    A good decision IMO. But don’t get too approving about the UK apparently abandoning “vaccine” passports:
    Less than 24 hours after a leading government secretary announced the cancellation of plans to introduce vaccine passports for the end of this month, another minister has said that no formal decision had been made, and they “haven’t been ruled out forever”.
    https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2021/09/13/another-vaccine-passport-u-turn-havent-been-ruled-out-forever-says-govt-minister/
    Our Deep State is one of the world’s most practiced in saying that black is black, and is also white. As my old Maths master used occasionally to tell us, “In general, nothing can be said.” ;-)

  2. Simon Derricutt says:

    EM – FWIW, it looks like a good decision to me. The evidence is pretty overwhelming.

    The consequences of using a “leaky” vaccine are very well-known. It’s also known that the spike protein is fast-mutating, and thus any vaccine targeting the spike protein would need to be adapted to the new variant pretty often (around every month or two) just to maintain protection. It’s known that the Delta variant will infect vaccinees and that they will then become as infectious as non-vaccinated, because that update wasn’t done, and this makes the “vaccine passport” totally useless as a way of stopping the next wave. It might reduce the need for hospitalisations, and that’s the justification for mandating vaccination, but from the evidence it looks like it might actually be increasing them instead.

    As David A states, looks like the official reaction is calculated to give the worst possible outcomes. Possibly a result of too many people trying to cover their arses. “It wasn’t my cock-up” and “I followed what The Science said so don’t blame me!”.

    Mandating that all your medical people get an experimental vaccine that’s shown to be ineffective at stopping the disease and carries a high risk of death or long-term damage just isn’t a logical step. Here in France from today our medics and carers must either have the jab or they lose their jobs. I’m not sure of the statistics of how many have refused here, but I’m hearing 10% so it could be more. Maybe the politicians should consider why so many health-care professionals have decided they don’t want the vaccine? Also, considering the exposure to the virus that they have all had so far, if they haven’t died already then they’re almost certainly naturally immune by now, which means that they also can’t catch or pass on any new variants, whereas a vaccinated person can and will.

  3. AC Osborn says:

    Re, the link on the “Eye disorder”, this link

    https://alethonews.com/2021/08/02/20595-dead-1-9-million-injured-50-serious-reported-in-eus-database-of-adverse-reactions-for-covid-19-shots/

    Has 4 very good links to the very well laid out EU adverse data, which can be viewed in various ways, including by adverse effect which they call “reaction groups”.
    https://dap.ema.europa.eu/analytics/saw.dll?PortalPages
    https://dap.ema.europa.eu/analytics/saw.dll?PortalPages
    https://dap.ema.europa.eu/analytics/saw.dll?PortalPages
    https://dap.ema.europa.eu/analytics/saw.dll?PortalPages

    As can be seen the main 3 have thousands of “eye” issues, how many are as serious as the one in the link is impossible to know.

  4. jim2 says:

    Hundreds of thousands of people may be infected annually by animals carrying coronaviruses related to the one that causes Covid-19 in China and Southeast Asia, according to a study emphasizing the ongoing pandemic threat from spillover events.

    An average of 400,000 such infections occur each year, most going unrecognized because they cause mild or no symptoms and aren’t easily transmitted between people, researchers with the EcoHealth Alliance and Singapore’s Duke-NUS Medical School said in a study released Thursday before peer review and publication. Still, each spillover represents an opportunity for viral adaptation that could lead to a Covid-like outbreak.

    The question of where and how the virus that causes Covid emerged has become particularly contentious, with some leaders blaming a hypothetical leak from a lab in Wuhan, China that studies the pathogens. The new research, supported by the U.S. National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, builds on evidence that bats are the main host-animals for viruses like SARS-CoV-2 and that people living near their roosts are especially vulnerable.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-09-14/thousands-of-covid-like-infections-show-risk-of-next-pandemic

  5. jim2 says:

    I have been able to confirm the definition of “vaccinated” includes the 14 day period after the second shot. Apparently, it takes this long for the immune system to do its thing.

    In 13 U.S. jurisdictions, rates of COVID-19 cases, hospitalizations, and deaths were substantially higher in persons not fully vaccinated compared with those in fully vaccinated persons, similar to findings in other reports (2,3). After the week of June 20, 2021, when the SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant became predominant, the percentage of fully vaccinated persons among cases increased more than expected for the given vaccination coverage and a constant VE. The IRR for cases among persons not fully vaccinated versus fully vaccinated decreased substantially; IRRs for hospitalizations and deaths changed less overall, but moderately among adults aged ≥65 years. Findings from this crude analysis of surveillance data are consistent with recent studies reporting decreased VE against confirmed infection but not hospitalization or death, during a period of Delta variant predominance and potential waning of vaccine-induced population immunity (4–6).†††

    The findings in this report are subject to at least five limitations. First, combining unvaccinated and partially vaccinated persons resulted in lower IRR and VE estimates. Second, variable linkage of case surveillance, vaccination, hospitalization, and mortality data might have resulted in misclassifications that could influence IRR estimates; no substantial differences in ascertainment of outcomes by vaccination status were noted in jurisdictions that were able to assess this. Lags in reporting of deaths might have affected the second period differentially. Third, this was an ecological study in which IRRs lacked multivariable adjustments and causality could not be assessed (i.e., possible differences in testing or behaviors in vaccinated and unvaccinated persons). VE is being assessed through ongoing controlled studies. Fourth, the period when the SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant reached ≥50% overall prevalence was assumed to be the first week when most cases were infected with the Delta variant, but the week varied by jurisdiction. Finally, the data assessed from 13 jurisdictions accounted for 25% of the U.S. population, and therefore might not be generalizable.

    Monitoring COVID-19 outcomes in populations over time by vaccination status is facilitated through reliable linkage of COVID-19 case surveillance and vaccination data. However, interpreting state-level variation by week might be challenging, especially for severe outcomes with small numbers. The framework used in this analysis allows for comparisons of observed IRRs and percentages of vaccinated cases, hospitalizations, and deaths to expected values. The data might be helpful in communicating the real-time impact of vaccines (e.g., persons not fully vaccinated having >10 times higher COVID-19 mortality risk) and guiding prevention strategies, such as vaccination and nonpharmacologic interventions.

    https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7037e1.htm

  6. jim2 says:

    Unexpected and heartbreaking: Thousands flood ABC affiliate’s Facebook page with vaccination horror stories

    https://trib247.com/articles/unexpected-and-heartbreaking-thousands-flood-abc-affiliate-s-facebook-page-with-vaccination-horror-stories

  7. jim2 says:

    It’s interesting that the Delta variant has the most variation, followed by Alpha. Mu doesn’t seem to be getting anywhere, for now.

    https://nextstrain.org/ncov/gisaid/global

  8. David A says:

    Thanks for the post EM. Nicely summary of not so nice situations.
    Another big question is with so many vaccine deaths, why the complete lack of autopsies? The answers are there.

  9. H.R. says:

    Dittos to David A’s comment – This is a great summary of why “No, HELL NO!” is a perfectly reasonable position to take on the available crop of FauXi’s Flu ‘vaccines’.

  10. AC Osborn says:

    Jim2, sort about that you will have to use the other link to set the correct parameters.
    Then select the display that you want.

  11. Simon Derricutt says:

    Jim2 – try https://dap.ema.europa.eu/analytics/saw.dll?bieehome&startPage=1 instead of ACO’s links. Gives a choice of various analyses, whereas ACO’s links give a page you need to enter data to start an analysis.

  12. E.M.Smith says:

    I didn’t put it in the list, but there’s a big potential for Friends of Clinton, Obama & Biden’s Handlers to create an “Enemies List” from those taking an exemption. UNfortunately, those folks (Clintons et. al.) have a long history of enemies lists, abuse of power, Clintoncide, and false imprisonment, not to mention the Cancel Culture attacks and DOCs-ing / SWATing.

    Frankly, I just do not trust ANY of the agencies with whom my “status” is to be shared to keep it to themselves and not hand it over to their Political Officer… (yes, the Communist Term Of Art, but that’s the system being run against us…) Medicine ought not be politicized, but it has been.

  13. cdquarles says:

    Like anything else operated by human beings, medicine is subject to fads. One “feature” of government run medicine *is* that politicization will happen at the expense of the necessity of medicine to be tailored to individuals. That none, to my knowledge, of the “socialized” medicine nations discuss this, is telling.

  14. DoNoNorth says:

    TV station in Detroit got a surprise when they went trawling for stories on the deaths of the great unwashed (we un-injected rebels). Don’t know how long this will be available.

    https://trib247.com/articles/unexpected-and-heartbreaking-thousands-flood-abc-affiliate-s-facebook-page-with-vaccination-horror-stories

  15. YMMV says:

    cdquarles: “Like anything else operated by human beings, medicine is subject to fads.”

    I think even more so, although perhaps not as much as tattoos, piercings, and jeans with holes at the knees. Diet fads. Fads about cholesterol. It would be interesting to see your list of fads in medicine.

    “One “feature” of government run medicine *is* that politicization will happen at the expense of the necessity of medicine to be tailored to individuals.”

    One size fits all. For the convenience of the system, not for the benefit of the patient. Directly related to the topic here: vaccine passports with no consideration of those who have already had Covid and recovered, not to mention those who have had Covid without even knowing it.

    If you want something done, induce panic. Then people will become very suggestible and they will override their common sense.

    So, I hate to say it, but … We need to fight fire with fire. We need to make it widely known exactly what the dangers of the vaccines are. We do not even need to exaggerate.

    They told us that adverse effects from vaccines happen within days. Maybe that was true before, but it is not true for the new GMO vaccines.

    Here’s a song about injustice and helplessness, an old song for our current times.

  16. jim2 says:

    There are a lot of deaths due to cardiac arrest and strokes every year. Some who have just been vaccinated will punch their ticket due to these causes – an having nothing to do with the vaccine.

    https://www.acc.org/latest-in-cardiology/ten-points-to-remember/2019/02/15/14/39/aha-2019-heart-disease-and-stroke-statistics

  17. YMMV says:

    Trial Site News looks at the US Poison Control IVM data.
    (and finds it safer than hand sanitizer)

  18. E.M.Smith says:

    @Jim2:

    There’s also a lot of pulmonary hypertension post injection that causes death in about 2-3 or so years. In 2024 who is going to count those as “Vaccine deaths”?

    The problem is that Pfizer / Moderna threw away the Control Group and there is NO long term data (nor, now, can there be, sans Control Group…)

    Basically the data are crap, and they will stay crap, and the deaths will pile up, and there will be a Political Food Fight over the crap data.

    I choose not to play in that swamp.

    But that, in fact, is why “All Cause Mortality” is the proper metric for vaccine performance and the vaccines fail that test. (Link ought to be in the article).

    OTOH, I have a proven prophylactic regime that has kept me happy and healthy for pushing 2 years now ( about 1.75 at present) and with zero side effects (or even any discomfort) at a cost of about 5500/(5*365) = 3 ¢ / day. I’m OK with that…

    (Also was happy and comfortable meeting with a few hundred thousand of my “closest strangers” over 3 -now- coast to coast driving trips. No masks to speak of once out of California, and bar hopping to at least 3 bars – that I remember ;-) – in rowdy crowds in Florida.)

  19. jim2 says:

    EMS – That wasn’t intended to criticize your approach. I’m OK with it. In fact, I will use IVM at the drop of hat if I feel it necessary, no qualms.

    But the normal number of cardiac and stroke deaths is a good reason not to put much faith in what the VAERS database has in it. I, too, would like to see more autopsies and those paid for by the drug companies.

  20. Pinroot says:

    Well, thanks for even more reasons for me to not get vaxxed. Saturday night my wife said to me “I had a talk with ‘Jane’ today”. “Jane” is a friend of hers who works for Novant Health. I’m not sure of her position, but she’s in management/administration (basically a bureaucrat). My wife says “She’s on the front lines of this!” which I don’t think means what she thinks it means, especially for management types. Anyway, “Jane” starts telling her how EVERYBODY that is hospitalized is unvaxxed. And of course they are; if you have a reaction to the vax and get hospitalized, you’ll test positive for Covid and be considered unvaxxed, and I just read an interview with one doctor who said at least 30% of their ‘covid’ patients are actually reactions to the vax, but they aren’t allowed to report it. ‘Jane’ ended her little rant to my wife by telling her “He needs to know if he’s not vaxxed, he IS going to DIE!” (She also said all those vitamins I’m taking aren’t going to do a thing for me, so I don’t think I’ll be taking medical advice from “Jane”.)

    So imagine my surprise when I get up the next day and see the video in this article:
    https://newsrescue.com/leaked-video-top-doctors-discuss-need-to-inflate-the-real-covid-numbers-to-be-more-scary-to-the-public/

    The very same talking points “Jane” gave my wife, and they’re part of the Novant system. So I guess they’re coming up with new and scarier talking points. The funny thing is that I do know at least a dozen people who were unvaxxed, caught covid, and NONE OF THEM DIED, but nobody wants to hear that.

  21. H.R. says:

    jim2: “There are a lot of deaths due to cardiac arrest and strokes every year.”

    Yup. But it is very hard to sort out if a stroke or heart attack would have occurred on it’s own or was caused by one of the ‘vaccines’ when there is a coordinated, coercive effort to get everyone to take the jab, whether it makes sense or not, and event reporting is mandated to minimize any negative information about vaccines getting out.


    You are 100% correct, jim2. And we are 100% in the dark about the actual incidence of stroke and heart attack caused by the clot shot vs. what would naturally occur.

    The PTB directing this clown show have made sure that data is so corrupt that it is nearly impossible or it actually is impossible to reach any firm conclusions.

    No vaccine is 100% safe for all people, so why aren’t we getting accurate reports that “X.X% have had this negative outcome and Y.Y% are having this other negative outcome”?

    It’s being pushed as safe for all you’re the scum of the Earth, a pariah, if you don’t get it. “Unclean! Unclean! You don’t deserve to live!”” That’s the YSM/Government push I’m seeing.

    If we had accurate data, then people would be able to see that perhaps 0.000004% (made that up) who take the jab will have a heart attack due to the jab. Then they can make up their minds if a 4 in a million chance is a risk they are willing to take.

    We just don’t know if it’s a 4 or 40 or 400 in a million chance, thanks to the very people charged with providing accurate information. Why don’t we know? Incompetence? Malice? Political expedience? Pay off? All of the above? Who can say?

    Also, with accurate and data and deeper analysis, doctors would have a shot ;) at finding the underlying common factor for that 0.000004%. Then your doctor could advise you, warn you, not to get the jab because you happen to have that common factor.

    But that’s not what’s playing in the theaters right now. We are left with, “There are a lot of deaths due to cardiac arrest and strokes every year,” and that’s not very helpful if you can’t sort out the ones that are caused by the ‘vaccines’ vs. the usual “your time is up” cases.

    Again, I can accept that there is a risk from vaccines, Some people will just be “unlucky”, have a stroke or heart attack and die due to a jab from a ‘vaccine’.. But I’d like to know what that risk is and if there’s an identifiable factor that increases that risk, so I can make a decision. We’re not getting that.


    Then there’s long term. The factor that causes a few heart attacks or strokes shortly after getting a ‘vaccine’ might still be there, but doesn’t express itself until 2 or 3 or 5 years later. So we have no idea whether or not the ‘vaccines’ will be OK in the short term, but in the long term, cause an issue that otherwise would not have occurred.



    Aww… that’s enough babbling from me for now.

  22. philjourdan says:

    I heard the Chinese flu bonus was $40k – if you die from it in a hospital, that is what Uncle Sam pays the hospital. And that is why Motorcycle accident victims as well as gun shot victims are listed as dying from the Chinese flu. And also why there are so few normal flu deaths being reported.

    When you subsidize a thing, you get more of that thing.

  23. The True Nolan says:

    @Pinroot: “The funny thing is that I do know at least a dozen people who were unvaxxed, caught covid, and NONE OF THEM DIED, but nobody wants to hear that.”

    My personal anecdotal stats: My Aunt, unvaxxed, died last year of heart failure but was reported as COVID two days later. My neighbors next door, man and wife, unvaxxed, caught COVID last year, were sent home to quarantine. I gave them Vitamin D and zinc, don’t know if they took it. They had about three sick days then recovered well. Another neighbor down the block, 98 year old woman, unvaxxed, went into assisted living last year with dementia, COPD, kidney failure, mobility issues. Dead a month or two later. Family says she had two negative COVID tests in the week before her death but it was reported as due to COVID. Friend of mine, double vaxxed, came down with mysterious high fever, incoherent. Tested negative, but doctors unable to find any cause for fever. Spent four days in hospital, too confused and weak to feed himself. Seems to be recovered OK now. Neighbor across the street, doubled vaxxed, came down with COVID about a month ago. Spent a week in hospital, intensive care, came home on oxygen and steroids for another week or so. Is recovering slowly. Her sister (not local, in another city) double vaxxed, came down with COVID and passed away two weeks ago.

    Conclusion? The unvaxxed deaths seem to have been misattributed to COVID. The vaxxed people are still catching COVID, still being hospitalized, and dying, and MAY be getting weird stuff as well. I am not aware of any unvaxxed friends or family coming down with mysterious illnesses or with COVID since last year.

  24. David A says:

    “ But the normal number of cardiac and stroke deaths is a good reason not to put much faith in what the VAERS database has in it.”

    Sorry, but I very much disagree. The adverse event agencies are there for a very good reason, and it is NOT to be ignored and historically, by a large margin, under counts adverse events. I don’t have a link, but I saw a report that the Covid deaths, which may be inflated, DO NOT account for the excess deaths. Most of the adverse events are turned in by professional medical doctors or nurses. And far more are suppressed.

    Jim, you linked to that station that went trolling for unvaccinated horror stories, and instead got inundated with vaccine horror stories. Dollars to donuts, most of those did NOT get reported. When people like Dr Ryan Cole give their testimony, and it is verified by many many reports of vaccinated dead, and by excess deaths not explained well, and by senior care nurses and hospital nurses, and by linked studies showing hospitalized hijinks with biased Covid manipulation. Or this undertakers UK report…
    “ British funeral undertaker John O’Looney spoke to independent journalist Lindie Naughton recently, giving her the full scoop about what is really going on with all the elderly people who are supposedly dying from “covid” in care homes and hospitals.

    Corrupt politicians and their media brainwashers, O’Looney revealed, are lying to the public about there being a “deadly virus” that is killing old people. In truth, virtually all seniors are dying from the Big Pharma drugs they are being given, he says.

    The most prominent death drugs being given to the elderly are Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19) “vaccines,” which O’Looney says caused deaths among old people to spike by about 250 percent.

    “As part of my work I visit hospitals routinely. During the pandemic I got to speak to many medical staff,” O’Looney told Naughton. “We all understood we were being lied to and this was fraud.”

    As an undertaker, part of O’Looney’s job is to keep a mortuary record, or “guest book,” showing a record of any unusual events observed during the burial or cremation process.

    Undertakers at large, O’Looney maintains, saw strange patterns of death at elderly care homes where old people were dying not from the Chinese Virus, but rather from the medications they were being given by their “caretakers.”

    “Terminal cancer patients are routinely being recorded as covid deaths,” O’Looney says.

    There are dozens of good reasons to distrust everything these “ leaders “ do. There us zero reason to trust them. The amount of credible stories contradicting the party line is astounding. Hundreds, perhaps thousands of links.

  25. David A says:

    Bottom line, as EM said, the only way we will get a real idea is “ all cause mortality and morbidity studies, vaccinated verse unvaccinated. And I will need independent verification of said numbers. I don’t trust them anymore then I trust our elections.

  26. David A says:

    This article outlines the history of failed coronavirus vaccines. ( Hint, they ALL failed, monkeys, rats, etc…)
    “ ronically, the data17,18,19 we now have no longer support a mass vaccination mandate, considering the lethality of COVID-19 is lower than the flu for those under the age of 60.20 If you’re under the age of 40, your risk of dying from COVID-19 is just 0.01%, meaning you have a 99.99% chance of surviving the infection. And you could improve that to 99.999% if you’re metabolically flexible and vitamin D replete.”

    https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2020/11/11/coronavirus-antibody-dependent-enhancement.aspx

  27. jim2 says:

    David – there are about 166 million people under 40. So that would translate to 16,600 deaths in the under-40 cohort.

    https://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/study-majority-of-us-population-now-under-age-40-/5532061.html

  28. E.M.Smith says:

    @Jim2:

    I didn’t take it as criticism. I just took advantage of your comment to post a comment about the data being crap… 8-)

    @David A:

    When I saw “O’Looney” I thought it must be Babylon Bee or some jokester… but no:

    https://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/O'Looney

    It’s a real deal, from O’Luanaigh and also leading to O’Lunney and O’Lunnan…
    “having the meaning of the “descendant of Luan”, a personal name meaning the hound, and as such originally a nickname for a fast runner. ”

    So there’s that…

    I suppose, given that Social Security is again projected to be bankrupt in a decade or so, this is one way to return it to solvency. Eliminate the payouts… /snark;

  29. T Town says:

    It is well documented that the number of reported covid cases, and deaths, are inflated. However, even using the inflated “official” numbers, the odds of dying from covid are not great enough for me to consider getting the jab. Of course, I have never had a seasonal flu shot either, for the same reason.
    My whole family is unvaccinated, and we all had covid last month, including my 80 something father in law, who had a milder case of it than I did. We all recovered within a week or so without the benefit of ivermectin or HCQ, just vitamin C, D, and zinc.

  30. E.M.Smith says:

    @Jim2:
    https://www.cdc.gov/drugoverdose/deaths/index.html

    “In 2019, 70,630 drug overdose deaths occurred in the United States”

    So in TOTAL about 4 months of the ANNUAL drug deaths…

  31. jim2 says:

    Leading causes of death:

    Heart disease: 659,041
    Cancer: 599,601
    Accidents (unintentional injuries): 173,040
    Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 156,979
    Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 150,005
    Alzheimer’s disease: 121,499
    Diabetes: 87,647
    Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 51,565
    Influenza and pneumonia: 49,783
    Intentional self-harm (suicide): 47,511

  32. H.R. says:

    @The True Nolan (I always think of you as Jason Calley. Can’t help it after years of that.) I appreciate the personal anecdotal observations.

    W-a-a-a-y back in the Dark Ages – what, a bit over a year ago? – there was not a lot of information and the question was, to vax or not to vax?

    Based on what you just posted I think you’ll understand this next bit.

    When the ‘vaccines’ were first announced that they would become available, what information there was about them was (charitably) muddled.

    Mrs. H.R. and I thought it best that her mom (86) get vaccinated. She’s well into Alzheimer’s and was confused about why she had to wear masks. It was always a surprise to her when she got out of the car. (“Why do I have to put this on” “Covid, mom” “Oh. That’s terrible!” When did this all happen?” Over and over and over…)

    At the time, the jab seemed to be the best choice for those over 80.

    Mrs. H.R., who gets out and about and then goes to take care of her mom and also was anticipating having to do some air travel, decided to get the jab.

    She was aware of my misgivings and my chosen course of action. Still, with the information available at the time, she opted for the jab (Pfizer, as I recall) primarily to protect her mom and secondarily to protect herself and (she believed) to protect against possible travel hassles.

    She now reads here much more regularly than in the past, which, back when, was the odd geeky article I would recommend. She was a career geek. Now, she’s keeping up on the FauXi Flu issues and getting a bit more understanding of why I’m taking my chosen path of using Ivermectin.

    Note: Her mom’s dementia creates issues for her that absolutely swamp any Covid concerns, real or created nonsense. Some of y’all have gone through the same thing dealing with dementia in a loved one.

    Anyhow, she has no problems with my choice to be in the control group. And she has no time to worry about her decision back when. She made it based on what was known then and now has no time for regrets, if she were so inclined.

    All that said, I believe she is keeping up (here, yay!), but is not too concerned because she takes blood thinners for her existing conditions, which means she probably doesn’t have to worry much about the risks from a ‘clot shot’.

    But then there’s still worries for her about what the effects may be for her mom.



    So, Jason, there’s still a bunch of unpredictable, unexplained crap out there, as you related in that comment above. And it is an added worry to Mrs. H.R.

    Ah well. You play the hand you are dealt and everybody winds up dying from something.

  33. jim2 says:

    What was the 2020-2021 flu season like?

    Flu activity was unusually low throughout the 2020-2021 flu season both in the United States and globally, despite high levels of testing. During September 28, 2020–May 22, 2021 in the United States, 1,675 (0.2%) of 818,939 respiratory specimens tested by U.S. clinical laboratories were positive for an influenza virus. The low level of flu activity during this past season contributed to dramatically fewer flu illnesses, hospitalizations, and deaths compared with previous flu seasons. For comparison, during the last three seasons before the pandemic, the proportion of respiratory specimens testing positive for influenza peaked between 26.2% and 30.3%. In terms of hospitalizations, the cumulative rate of laboratory-confirmed influenza-associated hospitalizations in the 2020-2021 season was the lowest recorded since this type of data collection began in 2005. For pediatric deaths, CDC received one report of a pediatric flu death in a child during the 2020–2021 flu season. Since flu deaths in children became nationally notifiable in 2004, reported flu deaths in children had previously ranged from a low of 37 (during 2011-2012) to a high of 199 (during 2019-2020).
    What are possible explanations for the unusually low flu activity?

    COVID-19 mitigation measures such as wearing face masks, staying home, hand washing, school closures, reduced travel, increased ventilation of indoor spaces, and physical distancing, likely contributed to the decline in 2020-2021 flu incidence, hospitalizations and deaths. Influenza vaccination may also contributed to reduced flu illness during the 2020–2021 season. Flu vaccine effectiveness estimates for 2020-2021 are not available, but a record number of influenza vaccine doses (193.8 million doses) were distributed in the U.S. during 2020-2021.

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/season/faq-flu-season-2020-2021.htm

  34. Paul, Somerset says:

    The reason everyone is keen to wait 14 or 21 days after injection to classify the recipients as “vaccinated” can be found in the graph on page 8 of this discussion of the Pfizer trials:
    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-2639-4.pdf?origin=ppub
    It shows how lymphocyte levels fall through the floor following injection, and fall further the higher the dose. This surely leaves you wide-open to illness, not just with the Peking Pox, but any virus. It’s what I believe lies behind the surge in Covid deaths wherever these “vaccines” were first introduced.
    Incidentally, the same phenomenon occurs with the influenza vaccines. It’s one of the reasons I’ve always refused the flu vaccine.
    “lymphocyte counts … were significantly lower at 4 weeks than at baseline … and in four subjects the lymphocyte count fell to below 0.7 x 10(9)/l”
    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9807675/

  35. The True Nolan says:

    @HR: “At the time, the jab seemed to be the best choice for those over 80.”

    I tend to be more than a little skeptical about ANY official sources these days — to a great extent because I saw how they handled Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming. That said, the case for the jab nine months ago was better than at present because we DIDN’T have confirmation of a lot of “maybes”. But now we have a situation where it looks increasingly (day by day more likely) that we may have very large numbers of people with deadly or at least chronic health problems because of the jab. One of my brothers and his wife are vaxxed. My son and his wife are vaxxed. And worse (in my mind) is that they also vaxxed all three of my 12 year old grandkids (triplets).

    What is to be done? No one knows for sure… and there is still a chance that the effects we are seeing at present will fade away and in a few years time we will look back and say “what a hoo-ha that was!” It could happen. But we may need to have a tool box of possible amelioratives and treatments and so I keep reading and paying attention. Not just for my own family, but for friends and neighbors who may be negatively affected. Honestly, all of us oldsters are not the ones who prey most strongly on my conscience, but I am concerned about the increasing push to vaxx the children, younger and younger and younger. Why? (Yes, that is rhetorical. I see ZERO medical reason and the only things I can come up with are greed, genocide, or greedy genocide.) I desperately hope I am wrong, but those of us in the “control group” may be called upon to spend the next years trying to keep alive a LOT of our peers. I just hope that there is not an equally large number of children caught up in this fiasco, not only children who are themselves damaged, but children who are left without parents or grandparents.

  36. jim2 says:

    What with such bad data and noise, it’s hard to tell if covid is like the black death, the flu, a head cold, or like hay fever. Similarly, we can’t tell if the vaccine works, causes health issues, doesn’t work, or what? The data is just too bad to make logical conclusions.

  37. cdquarles says:

    An issue with that is that WBC/lymphocyte counts may and do vary for many reasons; of which a recent immunization of any kind is just one possibility. Consider that when inflammation starts, WBC are recruited to the site(s) from the blood first. Only later will the bone marrow ramp up replacements. Consistently low WBC counts is a serious medical condition.

    Also, the reference ranges are population based. Individuals can and do have personal normal values that may vary from the reference and not be an issue. I, for instance, run an oral temperature roughly 1 degree F lower than the “normal” 98.6; which is itself variable depending on exercise, anxiety, immune system activation, or intake of hot/cold food/drink. Core body temperature generally runs 1 degree C higher than oral temperatures; when not exposed to harsh environments. (This is one reason why people need to choose a good personal physician, who will get to know a person’s physiological quirks.)

  38. jim2 says:

    Uttar Pradesh government says early use of Ivermectin helped to keep positivity, deaths low
    Claiming that timely introduction of Ivermectin since the first wave has helped the state maintain a relatively low positivity rate despite in its high population density.

    https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/lucknow/uttar-pradesh-government-says-ivermectin-helped-to-keep-deaths-low-7311786/

  39. E.M.Smith says:

    @H.R.:

    Yup. Spouse & I were, in the early stages, decided on “one and done” with the J&J Jab. Were actively looking for places where we could get it. But for our ages being just a bit under the wire of the early groups (she’s a few younger than me…) AND the J&J Jab being slower to roll out and become available, we’d have been able to book our appointment. As it was, we kept finding places booked up or sold out.

    Instead, after a week or three or so of trying to get in, the news announced J&J on hold for clotting issues…

    So we decided to wait a week or three more to see what the results were, and to revisit the “which is best” reasoning.

    But for that “luck” (or random chance), we would both now be vaccinated with J&J.

    That was when I started doing a much deeper dive on vaccine side effects, efficacy, the works. That then lead to me finding out I was not all that keen on the concept of mRNA spike protein.

    As the investigation dragged on, more bad news hit. The scales slowly tilted from “trying to get it” to “going to wait a bit” to “going to study some longer” to “Nope. Not going there.” Apace with that, I was accumulating experience with the prophylaxis route and finding out I was doing just fine. More tilt happened…

    Pretty much 100% of the rest of my family and spousal twin family (from us younger, not looking at our ‘more removed’ relatives) have had the Pfizer Pfaxine (but not yet to the 5 year old grandson…). Which is why I keep digging at how ivermectin might protect against vaccine side effects and against post vaxxine negative impacts (i.e. ADE). They followed roughly the same time-line but were OK with just swapping to Pfizer. So got the clot shot. So Far, So Good, with no adverse effects noted other than a day or two of feeling a bit crappy. I hope it stays that way.

    At this point, I’m pretty sure ivermectin will do a good job on both injection spike protein and ADE. IFF One of the “rest of the family” gets a bad case, I’m on the road with “juice” to talk to them…

    FWIW, I’m in possession of 2 x Covid-19 self test kits. Not yet found the antibody test. (Not looking all that hard though… a casual search ;-)

    Basically we didn’t end up in the “Control Group” by design, but rather by competition for shots and random schedule artifacts. Oh Well, place your bets and spin the wheel.

    I think maybe tonight is the night to do that “Other Vaxxine” posting ;-)

    Sidebar: On Dementia…

    Spousal Mom had “mixed dementia” for several years and in a care facility. I did a year or two of “outings” for her. Know the drill. Had she still been alive, we’d have had her get one of the early round of shots (as she was in the prime early age group) and probably the Pfizer as it was first out the gate. Your decisions were exactly what we would have done too.

    Situationally, it was sound based on the data at the time.

    Frankly, given 85 (Gma’s age at that time) and health and in a care facility with all that news, I’d likely have her up for the jab even now. Why? The risk slope with age. Covid risk, IMHO, strongly greater in that age group with her co-morbidities than any downstream risks from the shot. (“Long Term” being irrelevant when she had maybe 2 years to live estimated – pneumonia being the big killer in that cohort too. So “just reduces severity” is FINE in that context.)

    Part of why “One size fits all” doesn’t and why all medicine MUST be custom fit to the patient.

    @CDQuarles:

    My personal quirk caused raised eyebrows and a “Call In The Night” to wake me up…

    I was in the “Study Box for NASA” doing a circadian rhythm study. Instrumented with a couple of thermometers as they were also testing which tech was most workable. (Turns out moulded earpiece thermal sensor was a PITA and “anal probe” was fine… Thin wire covered in a thin rubber coating was, well, forgotten once in place…)

    SO it’s about 3:30 AM (guess as we were not allowed clocks) and the Loud Speaker starts nagging at me to wake up. Is my thermometer out of place? Will I check it? I check it. Nope, it is stuck where it’s supposed to be, up the pitoot… and I’m groggy and slow as this is the exact BOTTOM of my deep sleep cycle…

    What had caused them surprise was that my core temp was something like 97.3 F (or maybe a bit lower) and they thought that can’t be right. During the daytime in the afternoon, I run about 99.6 F and sometimes a bit higher (exercise can run it up to 103 F easy). I’ll take about a 2 F to 3 F range over the day even without heavy activity.

    Every so often I’ll need to tell a Nice Nurse that no, a 99.5 F after I’m up and just climbed their stairs is NOT a “low fever” and I have to have at least 101 F to even consider it… Eventually the new nurses and M.D.s learn about me and my quirks.

  40. AnnieM says:

    The anomaly in the flu data is easy to explain. For decades the CDC has been padding the Flu death data by adding in the pneumonia deaths and calling them “flu related”. So for decades the Flu death numbers have been overstated by a lot. I used to have a link to the ONE CDC page that broke the numbers down, but they’ve moved it and made it much harder to find. So Instead of the 50,000 or so “flu” deaths that we were told about every year it has always been more like 1000. Since they had to use the pneumonia deaths to pad the covid deaths last year they had to remove them from the flu death count.

  41. E.M.Smith says:

    @AnnieM:

    I had no idea… Good Find!

  42. H.R. says:

    E.M.: “As the investigation dragged on, more bad news hit. The scales slowly tilted from “trying to get it” to “going to wait a bit” to “going to study some longer” to “Nope. Not going there.” Apace with that, I was accumulating experience with the prophylaxis route and finding out I was doing just fine. More tilt happened…”

    Same here, except the Mrs. definitely had concerns for her mom (1st group eligible at 86) and then for what she’d need to do as it related to her mom, and the early reports were Intentionally falsely?) rosy.
    And…

    E.M.: “Frankly, given 85 (Gma’s age at that time) and health and in a care facility with all that news, I’d likely have her up for the jab even now. Why? The risk slope with age. Covid risk, IMHO, strongly greater in that age group with her co-morbidities than any downstream risks from the shot. (“Long Term” being irrelevant when she had maybe 2 years to live estimated – pneumonia being the big killer in that cohort too. So “just reduces severity” is FINE in that context.)”

    Exactly. No second thoughts or second guessing about the decision for mom here, either. That’s despite the sparse, accurate information at the time. No regrets and it seems we were right, so far. Her mom is in bad shape mentally, but in fine shape physically. That will change, of course, due to her age, but we believe she’ll move on due to the usual reasons that all older people leave us, not the Mexican Beer virus.


    And then Mrs. H.R. is obviously overwhelmed by the daily struggle involved when dealing with an Alzheimer’s afflicted parent to worry much about FauXi’s Flu for herself. Those who have been there, done that, and have the T-shirt know what she is going through.


    We’re 11 months different in age, E.M., so it’s no surprise that life has us seeing much the same things now, and we have witnessed much the same in the past .We have some here older and some younger, so that provides other perspectives, eh? (What? You never heard of …..that? What? Well I never heard of ….that? That’s the beauty of different ages kicking things around.)


    I’m ready. I have 1 liter of Ivermectin……….. and i know how to use it. 😜



    Thanks for that comment, E.M. It just affirms much of what I’ve been thinking and the actions I’ve (we’ve) been taking, and it’s also along the same timeline that bits and pieces of information have become available.

  43. David A says:

    HR, you and the fetching Mrs HR are a model for how I wish our society would deal with this. Once again the Statists in charge instead make every attempt to divide.

    I would not want their karma.

  44. cdquarles says:

    It is, Annie, the secondary bacterial pneumonia that kill most people who have had a recent influenza infection. This has been known to be the case since the 1918 “Spanish” flu. Bacterial pneumonia has been known to kill a healthy young person in 3 days. Only meningitis and/or tetanus kills faster, in terms of going from healthy to dead relatively quickly from an infection where sepsis isn’t involved; if I am remembering correctly.

  45. David A says:

    Jim, regarding the positive rate in Uttar Pradesh India

    “ Overall, the state has a total of 199 active cases, while the positivity rate came down to less than 0.01 per cent. ( WOW) The recovery rate, meanwhile, has improved to 98.7 per cent. As per the state’s health bulletin, Uttar Pradesh reported only 11 new Covid-19 cases and zero deaths in the last 24 hours. The fresh cases came out of 2.26 lakh samples that were tested in the last 24 hours. As of Friday, the state government has conducted 7.42 crore tests, according to the data published by Uttar Pradesh’s health department.”

    2.25 lakh is 225,000 people.

    US positive rate…
    “ The 7-day average of percent positivity from NAATs is now 9.1%. The 7-day average number of tests reported for August 27-September 02, 2021, was 1,539,747, up 6.3% from 1,448,837 for the prior 7 days.”

    And only 10 percent double vaccinated. Hard proof that the Vaccine was completely unnecessary.

  46. another ian says:

    Another potential – from cattle feed this time?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monensin

  47. AnnieM says:

    @cdquarles They add in ALL the pneumonia deaths regardless of whether the person ever had the flu (in the past) or covid (now). Lots of people have pneumonia who never had the flu or covid. Even most of the people who have the “flu” really had a “flu-like illness”. I.e. most people who have the “flu” didn’t have the flu.

    @E.M.Smith Found it! It only allows you to look at the data three weeks at a time (you move the slider at the top of the page). I originally got the idea from Jon Rappoport. Sometimes he has pretty whacky ideas but this one checked out. https://gis.cdc.gov/grasp/fluview/mortality.html

  48. E.M.Smith says:

    @Another Ian:

    It IS an ionophore, but I’d worry about this bit:

    Toxicity
    Monensin has some degree of activity on mammalian cells and thus toxicity is common. This is especially pronounced in horses, where monensin has a median lethal dose 1/100th that of ruminants. Accidental poisoning of equines with monensin is a well-documented occurrence which has resulted in deaths.

    The Crown Ethers (to which it is related) are known to be toxic to humans… though the exact levels are not that well known and vary with the size of the ring. Here’s data for mice:

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0041008X78901886

    Abstract
    The acute and chronic oral toxicities of a homologous series of three crown ethers in mice have been studied. The LD50 values and the partition coefficients (octanol/water) of the compounds have been determined. The LD50 values are as follows: 12-crown-4, 3.15 g/kg; 15-crown-5, 1.02 g/kg; and 18-crown-6, 0.71 g/kg. The compounds follow a general trend of increasing toxicity with increasing ring size and water solubility. There appears to be no cumulative effect of daily ingestion of small amounts (one-half to one-third the LD50 value) of the compounds over a 2-week period.

    At about a gram / kg it would take a cup of it for me, so it might not be an issue IF the dose needed to treat a virus was similar to ivermectin ( 20 mg to 50 mg for me)

    There’s also the “odd bit” that the degree of toxicity can vary (at least in bacteria) based on the ions floating about:

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0162013400800033

    Crown ethers are toxic to Escherichia coli. At a sublethal dosage, the crown ether affects the three phases in the bacterial growth curve as evidenced by an appearance of a lag period, an occasional decrease in the stationary phase at a lower microbial population. Potassium ion but not sodium ion can reduce the lag induced by the presence of 18-crown-6. On the contrary, the presence of either potassium ion or sodium ion lengthens the lag due to substituted 18-crown-6 ethers. Explanations to this variable toxicity are proposed.

    So it has a real potential, but would require some exploration… (so he explores…)

    Gee, some folks are looking at them:

    https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Synthesis-and-Antiviral-Activity-of-Derivatives-the-Basok-Lutsyuk/6c6d3b086c53d12409b3229a70a5c51dbe309953

    Synthesis and Antiviral Activity of Diaza-18-crown-6 Derivatives with the Fragments of 4-Aminomethylbenzoic and 6-Aminocaproic Acids
    S. Basok, A. Lutsyuk, +1 author A. Fedchuk
    Published 2018
    Chemistry
    Among the most important properties governing wide spectrum of biological activities of crown ethers are their high lipophilicity, selectivity of the complex formation as well as ability of transporting ions and some neutral molecules across the biological membranes, similarly to the natural ionophores. Modification of diazacrown ethers by introducing fragments of known antiviral agents into their structure can be assumed to yield new products with high antiviral activity. The compounds of a class of protease inhibitors, 4-aminomethylbenzoic and 6-aminocaproic acids are of interest in respect of this. We have synthesized derivatives with free amino and carboxyl groups containing fragments of known antiviral drugs, 4-aminomethylbenzoic and 6-aminocaproic acids, based on the macrocyclic diaza-18-crown-6 platform. The cytotoxicity and antiviral activity of synthesized compounds against of human influenza strains А/Hong Kong/1/68 (H3N2) and А/Puerto Rico/8/34 (H1N1) have been studied. Synthesis of compounds with free amino group (1,10-bis(6-aminohexanoyl)-diaza-18-crown-6 and 1,10-bis(4-aminomethylbenzoyl)-diaza-18-crown-6) have been carried out by interaction of diaza-18-crown-6 with Boc-protected derivatives of 6-aminocaproic and 4-aminomethylbenzoic acids in the presence of DCC and HOBT followed by removal of the Boc-protective group in the intermediate compounds by the action of trifluoroacetic acid. It should be noted that using HOBT allowed us to avoid the formation of collateral bis-N-acylureas, simplify the purification, and increase the total yields of final products to 90–92 %. Acylation of benzyl esters of studied N,N’-dicarboxymethyldiaza-18-crown-6 amino acids was investigated to obtain the compounds with the free carboxyl group, 6,6′-{(7,16-diaza-18-crown-6)-7,16-diylbis[(1-oxoethane-2,1-diyl)imino]} dihexanoic acid and 4,4′-{(7,16-diaza-18-crown-6)-7,16-diylbis[(1-oxoethane-2,1-diyl)iminomethylene]} dibenzoic acid. In this case, using DCC as a condensing agent has resulted the main reaction product to be macrocyclic bisN-acylureas, and the desired compounds have not been obtained. Therefore, another method of peptide chemistry was used for the acylation of esters of the studied acids – mixed anhydride method with ethyl chloroformate. By this method the benzyl esters of dipeptides with yields of 85–87 % were obtained. Subsequent removal of the benzyl protecting group in these compounds by catalytic hydrogenolysis resulted in desired products with yields of 92–94 %. The toxicity level for all the synthesized compounds was studied on a model using Colpoda steinii infusoria culture and the chorionallantoic membrane cells of chick embryos, and antiviral activity against human influenza strains A/ Hong Kong/1/68 (H3N2) and А/Puerto Rico/8/34 (H1N1) in culture of the chorionallantoic membrane cells of chick embryos. Synthesized compounds showed significantly higher level of antiviral activity compared to that of 4-aminomethylbenzoic and 6-aminocaproic acids on both strains of the influenza virus with no cytotoxicity demonstrated in the studied concentrations. The compounds with 6-aminocaproic acid fragments were more active toward both virus strains. It should be noted that the 1,10-bis(6-aminohexanoyl)-diaza-18-crown-6 showed marked activity towards influenza A/Hong Kong/1/68 (H3N2) strain not only at a concentration of 1 mmol/L (Δlog10 TCID50=3.9), but also at a lower dose of 0.5 mmol/L (Δlog10 TCID50=1.17). 6,6′-{(7,16-Diaza-18-crown-6)-7,16-diylbis[(1-oxoethane-2,1-diyl) imino]} dihexanoic acid was the most effective against the strain of the influenza А/Puerto Rico/8/34 (H1N1) virus. It significantly suppressed the reproduction of the virus at a concentration of 0.5 mmol/L (Δlog10 TCID50=4.92). Both compounds demonstrate the level of the reference drug Oseltamivir regarding their influenza activity and are promising compounds for the further research on the in vivo models for the purpose of designing the new antiviral drugs.
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    macroheterocycles.isuct.ru

    So “note to self”: Russia is doing interesting work. This link has 2 more antivirals listed as the bits they are adding to the crown ether, and the whole thing is antiviral at well tolerated doses.

    This one is intriguing, but I don’t have access:

    Link:https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0166354285900245

    Metal chelators as potential antiviral agents
    Author D.W.Hutchinson

    Abstract
    Metal-chelating compounds can inhibit virus-induced enzymes in infected cells by coordinating with metal ions at their active sites. Consideration of the coordinating properties of ligands can explain the antiviral activity of these compounds. The antiviral actions of a number of compounds (e.g., thiosemicarbazones, pyrophosphate analogues, β-diketones, cyclic polyethers and flavanoids) are discussed in the light of their metal-chelating properties.

    So another note to self: Look up metal chelating favanoids…

    Searching specifically for “Monensin antiviral” pops a few too:

    Link:https://www.aasv.org/shap/issues/v1n6/v1n6p15.pdf

    Case Report
    The effect of monensin in the control of transmissible gastroenteritis (TGE) of pigs

    Spiros C.Kyriakis, DVM PhD; John C.Vlemmas, DVM PhD; John C.Mavromatis, DVM; Anastasios C.Tsinas, DVM; Stefanos G.Lekkas, DVM PhD; and Thomas A.Tsangaris, DVM PhD

    Summary- Monensin sodium, an ionophore polyether antibiotic, has shown efficacy in controlling certain viral infections.
    We investigated the effect of monensin sodium in moderating the losses of an epidemic outbreak of transmissible gastroenteritis virus (TGEV) in an immunologically naive swine herd.An epidemic of TGEV occurred on a continuous-farrowing, large industrial pig farm that had no previous exposure to TGEv. Monensin at the dosage of 100 ppm was used in creep feed and weanling pig diets until 2 months of age and in the gestation and lactation diets. Preweaning mortality in pigs < I week of age was reduced for litters of the sows that received monensin (20.0%) compared to the control group (57.2%), and total piglet mortality up to the age of 60 days was lower for the monensin group (24.8%) compared to the control group (73.9%). We conclude that monensin was very effective in reducing preweaning mortality during this TGE epidemic.

    Golly… 100 ppm is pretty small dosing.

    And another intriguing one:

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33324406/

    Identification of Potent and Safe Antiviral Therapeutic Candidates Against SARS-CoV-2
    Xia Xiao 1 2 3, Conghui Wang 1 2 3, De Chang 4, Ying Wang 1 2 3, Xiaojing Dong 1 2 3, Tao Jiao 1 2 3, Zhendong Zhao 1, Lili Ren 1 2 3, Charles S Dela Cruz 5, Lokesh Sharma 5, Xiaobo Lei 1 2 3, Jianwei Wang 1 2 3

    PMID: 33324406 PMCID: PMC7723961 DOI: 10.3389/fimmu.2020.586572

    Abstract
    COVID-19 pandemic has infected millions of people with mortality exceeding >1 million. There is an urgent need to find therapeutic agents that can help clear the virus to prevent severe disease and death. Identifying effective and safer drugs can provide more options to treat COVID-19 infections either alone or in combination. Here, we performed a high throughput screening of approximately 1,700 US FDA-approved compounds to identify novel therapeutic agents that can effectively inhibit replication of coronaviruses including SARS-CoV-2. Our two-step screen first used a human coronavirus strain OC43 to identify compounds with anti-coronaviral activities. The effective compounds were then screened for their effectiveness in inhibiting SARS-CoV-2. These screens have identified 20 anti-SARS-CoV-2 drugs including previously reported compounds such as hydroxychloroquine, amlodipine besylate, arbidol hydrochloride, tilorone 2HCl, dronedarone hydrochloride, mefloquine, and thioridazine hydrochloride. Five of the newly identified drugs had a safety index (cytotoxic/effective concentration) of >600, indicating a wide therapeutic window compared to hydroxychloroquine which had a safety index of 22 in similar experiments. Mechanistically, five of the effective compounds (fendiline HCl, monensin sodium salt, vortioxetine, sertraline HCl, and salifungin) were found to block SARS-CoV-2 S protein-mediated cell fusion. These FDA-approved compounds can provide much needed therapeutic options that we urgently need during the midst of the pandemic.

    Keywords: COVID-19; SARS-CoV-2; US Food and Drug Administration-approved compounds; antiviral; therapy.

    Ding! Ding! Another Ian, we have a winner!!

    Whole article for free at:
    https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fimmu.2020.586572/full

    Indicated drugs were added to cells at 10 μM before the co-incubation of the cells. We found that fendiline hydrochloride, monensin sodium salt, vortioxetine, sertraline hydrochloride, and salifungin inhibited the SARS-CoV-2 S protein-mediated cell fusion (Figure 4).

    Given the number of antivirals that are being popped up, it is going to be increasingly difficult for the GEB PTB to suppress them all.

    I’m especially interested in the flavanoids reference as they are OTC in concentrated form and you could always just eat a load of plants… But that will be for another day…

  49. cdquarles says:

    Hmm, if they are doing that, then the numbers are more suspect than ever. Ugh. Indeed, not all bacterial pneumonia cases have a viral initiator (see aspiration pneumonia post strokes, etc).

  50. E.M.Smith says:

    Nice find, AnnieM!

    @CDQuarles:

    Spousal twin tends to pneumonia on bacterial infections (she’s vegan, spouse is not, so our own “twin study” as spouse has no such issues). She now is given antibiotics on first onset of illness instead of waiting a few days to see if it resolves…

    Don’t know if it is lack of sun (spouse takes some sun with me, twin tends to stay out of the sun) or the diet, but there’s a definite difference.

    My takeaway from it? Get some sun and don’t eat a diet that’s hard to get right for all the immune system required inputs…

  51. another ian says:

    In a nutshell

    “The protected need to be protected from the unprotected by forcing the unprotected to use the protection that didn’t protect the protected.”

    A comment at Jo Nova

  52. another ian says:

    “Good news. You can get at least another 12 days of coverage. ”

    From a third jab of Pfizer

    “Researchers in Israel reported on Wednesday that a third dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech coronavirus vaccine can prevent both infections and severe illness in adults older than 60 for at least 12 days.

    How much research went into the FDA licensing of these boosters anyways? Slide on down to page 22 here for a look. Notice which age group is not in phase 2/3? And how’s about those sample sizes.”

    More at

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2021/09/16/good-news-3/

  53. another ian says:

    Maybe the corrected spelling is “Pfizzer”?

    As in our slang – https://www.thefreedictionary.com/fizzer

  54. The True Nolan says:

    @another ian: “a third dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech coronavirus vaccine can prevent both infections and severe illness in adults older than 60 for at least 12 days.”

    One astute reader at the link you posted commented: “But in Canada, they don’t count you as having taken the jab till 14 days after, so as far as Canada is concerned, you get no coverage at all.”

    That is like a 30 days from purchase warranty that only takes effect after six weeks of use.

  55. another ian says:

    FWIW

    “PANDEMIC OF THE ‘VACCINATED’ IS UPON US! THE JABBED ARE 75-80% OF NEW CASES”

    https://richardsonpost.com/howellwoltz/23489/pandemic-of-the-vaccinated-is-upon-us-the-jabbed-are-75-80-of-new-cases/

  56. jim2 says:

    From the NYT article:

    Israel has authorized boosters for everyone over age 12 and is already contemplating fourth doses for its population. In the new study, the Israeli team collected data on the effect of booster shots, based on the health records of more than 1.1 million people over age 60. At least 12 days after the booster, rates of infection were elevenfold lower and of severe disease nearly twentyfold lower in those who received a booster compared with those who had received only two doses, the researchers found. The researchers acknowledged that their results were preliminary. “We cannot tell at this point what will happen in the long run,” said Micha Mandel, a professor of statistics and data science at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem.

  57. p.g.sharrow says:

    Soon we will learn that those that get the “Jab” can have no immunity except that conferred by the shot and it must be “Boosted” every 2 weeks. The longer between them makes the infection outcome worse.
    Those that have refused will generally get a mild infection and become immune as nature/GOD intended while those that were stampeded into the Gates/Fauci program become slaves to the Drug Lords to maintain their “Normal” lives.

  58. p.g.sharrow says:

    Every effort will be made to force those that have refused into complying with the slavery “Mandate”. “Everyone must be the same”

    Hell No!

  59. H.R. says:

    I don’t see the latest push and coercion as getting too many more to take the jab.

    At this point, most people have made up their minds. And I’m seeing a lot of reports on pushback against employers who are carrying out the Emperor’s wishes.

    another ian, I believe, linked to a Treehouse article where it was noted that OSHA does not have any rules in place regarding mandatory jabs and there is no date requirement for when they must have rules.

    Businesses that go ahead on their own then, will find that the word is out to wait to get fired. a) Every employer everywhere is shorthanded and can’t just get replacements the next day 2) It’s been gamed out that lawyers will have a field day with wrongful termination suits and the fired employees will wind up back at their old jobs with back pay; a paid vacation.

    The current administration knows they can’t legally mandate forced vaccinations on all. So they are trying to coerce businesses to do the dirty work for them.

    And then there are going to be a LOT of suits from people who were coerced to take the jab and regret it. This will be a really big thing if delayed negative effects from the jabs show up in a lot of people over the next year or two. I don’t know that they will, but if there are a lot of people suffering negative effects, the lawyers will get even busier (and richer) yet.

  60. E.M.Smith says:

    @PG:

    Some Dept of Homeland Mandating And Oppression, er, Security, announcement said in a sideways sort of way that anyone opposing the Govt. Policy on Covid was a domestic terrorist… That’s the camel’s nose. Now we’ll see how far they try to push it…

  61. E.M.Smith says:

    @H.R.:

    A required by your job shot means any side effects are a Worker’s Comp claim… which will drive W.C. insurance costs to ruinous levels and put many / most small business out of business. I suspect that’s a “goal” or “feature” to the Globalist GEBs…

  62. another ian says:

    “FDA Advisory Panel Rejects Pfizer Booster Shots
    September 17, 2021 | Sundance | 93 Comments”

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2021/09/17/fda-advisory-panel-rejects-pfizer-booster-shots/

  63. YMMV says:

    another ian: “FDA Advisory Panel Rejects Pfizer Booster Shots”

    Highlighting this quote from that document:

    The question the advisory panel was given to consider only used the U.S. data, a small dataset, despite the presentations including data from the U.K. and Israel.

    Marks instructed the panel to consider all the data, noting, “This is not a legal proceeding, this is a science proceeding, so you can take all the data into account.”

  64. another ian says:

    “To Governor DeSantis, Ivey, Lee And Others”

    https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?blog=Market-Ticker-Nad

    Message is “do what Uttar Pradesh did

  65. another ian says:

    “WHY DOES NO ONE EVER TALK ABOUT SWEDEN ANYMORE?”

    https://richardsonpost.com/im-unmasked/23507/why-does-no-one-ever-talk-about-sweden-anymore/

    “Sweden went against the herd, thus they must be scorned and labeled by the arbiters of acceptable opinion.

    There will never be a reckoning or acceptance of fault on the part of the media, because they are incapable of correcting their preconceptions and admitting that The Science™ was wrong. They placed their unquestioning faith in experts having a level of competence that they simply do not possess. And if there were any sanity or justice in the world, they would be held to account for their inaccuracy and the influence it’s had on COVID policy.

    But of course, as we all know, sanity and the Age of Reason and Enlightenment ended with “15 Days to Slow the Spread,” 549 days ago.”

  66. another ian says:

    And “suitable music” IMO

    “The Land of Makebelieve”

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