How Trust Is Lost – HCQ, Authority, Corruption, Abuse

Dr. John Campbell is having a loss of “trust” in “authority”. Why? Due to the oppression of how medicine has been practices for hundreds, perhaps thousands of years. As a direct Physician / Patient relationship with treatment customized to the individual – recognizing their unique metabolism, location, diet, disease history, etc. It is mutating into a “Top Down Authoritarian Mandate One Size Fits All”, and we know that “one size fits all” never does. Not in socks, not in medicine.

He’s had to resort, on EwTube, to circumlocutions, snickers, and facial expressions just to express some opinions; others he can only hint are “forbidden” topics.

That, IMHO, illustrates how “Loss Of Trust” and loss of faith in institutions progresses. Authoritarians just can not resist shoving their Authority down your throat. This, quite naturally, leads to resentment among those folks who like to think for themselves, make their own decisions, or have more brain function than a parrot.

Then, when Authority has been shown to be wrong, or worse in being Dramatically Wrong, or even worse – Suppressing pointing out they were dramatically wrong with consequences: Folks see that the Arrogant Bastards are just abusive. The whole point of “accountability” is to keep “authorities” in line and reluctant to indulge in high risk of damage to those over whom they have authority. So another indicia of when to become skeptical and when to lose trust in “Authority” is when they suppress discussion and especially when they avoid accountability.

We’ve had a load of that lately. Along with that, there has been a relatively dramatic erosion of Trust In Authority. I know mine is essentially gone with respect to Big Pharma, the independence of my Local Doctor, the AMA is long gone as is any trust in the Licensing Authorities who threatened to pull M.D.s and Dentists licenses if they failed to parrot the dogma pushed by Big Pharma, and then there is the power grabbing W.H.O. trying to take control of your ability to travel without their stamp of digital approval of your medical status. All while ALL of those “Authorities” are dodging any accountability for their huge litany of errors in the Chinese Wuhan Covid Scare.

The first step to Skepticism, IMHO, is when there is cognitive dissonance between “Authority” and personal experience (or personal experience as reported by someone who you actually do trust). I’ll give one example:

I’m approaching 4 years of Ivermectin use with ZERO covid-19. Both my spouse and myself have used it. Both had no problems at all. Neither drug side effects nor virus infection. FWIW, we’ve also had zero flu and substantially zero “head colds”. I have to say “substantially zero” since a couple of times I’ve forgotten to keep the schedule (once a week, 10 ml topical ‘cattle pour on’) and gone a few weeks without. Just last week, I started to have some sniffles and “that feeling” of a head cold trying to start and realized it had been a few weeks. Slathered up with Vit-I solution and about 6 hours later was fine again. Whatever it was, ended immediately instead of taking the usual course.

Now compare that to all the Official Narrative of The Pwnd Media saying that it’s not going to do anything good and might cause Bad Things. Yeah, right… Big Pharma pays most of the bills at Big Media via advertising, so easily calls the shots on “news” reporting. Nobel Prize drug with millions to billions of doses given for various things with nearly no side effects and on the list of essential medicines.

Similar story for HydroxyChloroQuine. Given for decades to prevent malaria to millions of folks globally. Shown to be effective in clinical practice early on. Yet “news” and “media” talking heads treating it as nearly poison. The W.H.O. decrying the use of both drugs as covid treatments, yet trying to mandate a jab with an experimental gene therapy (called a “vaccine” but not one…) that has been shown to be ineffective over time and with massive side effects (auto-immune problems, Multiple Sclerosis, Myocarditis, Death, and disability).

It is when you notice How The Game Is Played and that the 60 ¢ / tablet HCQ is suppressed (about $6 to $20 for a full course of treatment) but the $1000 / dose Paxlovid is pushed (despite marginal efficacy) that the bell starts to ring and Trust Has Left The Building.

So where am I today? My opinions / emotional evaluation:

W.H.O. – Thoroughly pwnd Globalist Tool doing the bidding of Big Pharma and GEBs (Globalist / Greedy Evil Bastards). Not trustworthy in any way, on a Power Trip to grab control of your medical treatment, ability to travel and work, and more. Ought to be abolished.

MSM / LSM / YSM – Thoroughly pwnd Globalist Tool doing the bidding of Big Pharma (via advertising budgets) and GEBs (who own ALL the major outlets). Not trustworthy in any way. A Propaganda Operation at best.

Big Tech – Is there any doubt at all that the “Fact Checkers” are just tools of Censorship? That the Big Media owners realized their propaganda was being bypassed so had to get a throttle on that. Musk has taken one modest step to wrest back some open discussion, but it is still a work in progress at X (twitter). Google is 100% a lost cause and Microsoft was lost long ago. Faceplant too. While I suspect TLA (Three Letter Agency) involvement in this, it is possible it is mostly just greed for the ad budgets and “same circle” effects among the C-Suite folks and Blackrock / Vanguard sorts. In any case, we know that Big Tech is Not Our Friend and it both lies and suppresses truth that is counter to The Narrative. (See how many folks have been banned, shadow banned, reprimanded, “struck” and more on EwTube… including many who are flooding to Rumble now.)

Government Agencies – It has been known for a very long time that “Industry Capture” is a typical outcome for regulatory bodies. Clearly it has reached completion with Dr. Fauxi raking in the dough for 50 years in “Government”. CDC, FDA, etc. etc. all are essentially useless to the Governed, but of great use to the Big Pharma companies and others. Mandating that you MUST use their products, whatever the costs and consequences (to you, no accountability for them…).

Is it any wonder that trust in Government, Media, and Tech Companies is at an all time low (and dropping more)? And obviously Big Pharma is of zero trust now.

So, as is increasingly the case, when Crap is forced on me, I turn to DIY and Personal Trust. Automotive Mandates have made new cars essentially crap (see my discussion of the Mercedes ML and FORD F-150 horrific costs to repair if you break a tail light / get a gasket leak), so I’ll just be keeping my old ones running ‘forever’. I have a local mechanic I trust who can get the job done. Oh, and no “Flaming Sparky Cars” in my future either.

I’ll have ZERO mRNA “gene therapy shots” ever. No matter what is “mandated”. The side effects and unpredictability have been demonstrated to any who will bother to look for themselves. I don’t need to spend my vacation $Money in any nation that mandates a W.H.O. “Digital Health Certificate” (Or: Your digital Papers Please!) or other things that violate my medical privacy.

Nor do I need to work for anyone who demands I get (and prove) any medical treatment. Happy to do a job for which I have the needed skill and for which I get paid. Not going to share my medical status or take treatments “prescribed” by managers in suits.

For food, I’m willing to “grow my own” and / or work with local independent farmers rather than ingest GMO stuff of unknown properties. Not hard core on this one just yet, but BT Toxin is a known antigen and being prone to allergies, I’m avoiding anything with that in it, like GMO Corn. It looks like it causes all sorts of gut problems when fed to pigs & cows, including crossing the gut barrier into the blood. Which may or may not have anything to do with our (spouse & me) difficulties with beef & pork. (So now we have a lot of Australian Lamb and birds – chicken & turkey instead).

And on and on.

Yes, I’ve become a Surly Curmudgeon on these things (no doubt with more to follow as the GEBs noose tightens around the gullible). There’s just been a significantly higher rate of ME being right vs “Authority” being quite wrong and abusive. Trust has left the building.

And that’s even without mentioning the pwnd electoral process and our “installed” rulers… No trust left in “elections” either these days. Then don’t even get me started on the Climate Change / Global Warming scam… Academia is in the dumper too.

Is all trust lost? Not quite yet.

Lots of individuals that I trust. Lots of “independent media” folks who look to have their head on straight. In some cases, the “abuse of power” by “Authority” has gotten so bad they make it an effective Negative Indicator (so in that sense it is “trusted”…). IF, for example, the W.H.O. / CDC / FDA announce that FOO Drug FAILS to treat the New Pandemic but Big Pharma has a new experimental FIX: You can likely take it to the bank that FOO Drug is the way to treat it and avoid the FIX Shot. But do your own research on both first. AND wait a while to see who dies from the “FIX” before going that way… Pretty much anything from MSNBC / CNN (and increasingly FOX News) is likely wrong / The Narrative Propaganda; so better used as a negative indicator than believed.

Then there’s the “My Enemy’s Enemy” stamp of approval. ANYONE banned by EwTube or Faceplant is likely telling a truth. Folks who get pushed out to Rumble are heavy with clue, too. So that’s a reasonably reliable stamp of approval (at least on anything political, medical, and $Big $Money or TLA related).

Crowder, The Quartering, Emil Cosman, perhaps soon Steve Turley, and increasingly Dr. John Campbell along with another medical guy I sometimes watched… but who’s name escapes me at the moment. EwTube tossed him out for advocating natural (and cheap…) cures for things. Something like 75% of modern drugs were found in plants, but advocate for them? How does that line the pockets of Big Pharma? FWIW, I’m currently using “Russian Penicillin” – as it was called in W.W.II field hospitals – i.e. Garlic to treat some bacteria trying to move into my skin. It works. Not as well as the concentrated extract in the pharma drugs, but good enough. Oh, and now I watch The Duran & the 2 Alex / Alexander guys on Rumble – much nicer without the commercials from EwTube – but I need to search on “Alex” and “Duran” to find the channels.

So “Be like water my friend” and flow around the lumps of crap shoveled into your way.

In that regard, two Dr. John Campbell talks from Rumble:

This one is a 19 minute discussion of how Medicine has been changed from a Doctor / Patient relationship with care tailored to the individual needs; into a One Size Fits All abomination of Top Down Mandate / Guidelines. A pretty good summary of the process of corruption of medicine by politics and money. Note that on Rumble this is the “uncensored” version.

Great to learn from professor Robert Clancy. Every time I learn so much. Robert is a consultant physician and pioneering immunologist, professor of medicine, emeritus professor of pathology, doctor of medicine, doctor of philosophy and doctor of science, author, teacher and broadcaster. Also holder of the Order of Australia.

https://rumble.com/v35fbkq-medicine-changes-and-intimidation-uncensored-version.html

In this one, Dr. John Campbell talks with an Australian M.D., Dr. Robert Clancy, who covers the actual clinical practice and results with HCQ. They also spend a bit of time pointing out the horrible flaws in the “trials” that found it “risky” (for one of THE most commonly used drugs in the world…) and of low to no benefit. Things we covered at the time. At 52 minutes, a bit long, but worth it in my opinion.

With professor Robert Clancy. The Curious Tale of Hydroxychloroquine
You have prescribed hydroxychloroquine (HCQ) 20,000 times, why do you use it and what side effects do you commonly see?

Has medicine changed in the past few years, influenced by powerful commercial and political forces?

Is WHO a threat to independent local health systems?

The doctor-patient relationship, and science-based medicine. Why are these important?

Is there a concern over conflict of interest created by grants and payments from pharmaceutical companies?

Emergency Use Authorization of Medical Products and Related Authorities

https://www.fda.gov/regulatory-information/search-fda-guidance-documents/emergency-use-authorization-medical-products-and-related-authorities

d. No Alternatives
For FDA to issue an EUA, there must be no adequate, approved, and available alternative to the candidate product for diagnosing, preventing, or treating the disease or condition. A potential alternative product may be considered “unavailable” if there are insufficient supplies of the approved alternative to fully meet the emergency need. A potential alternative product may be considered “inadequate” if, for example, there are contraindicating data for special circumstances or populations (e.g., children, immunocompromised individuals, or individuals with a drug allergy), if a dosage form of an approved product is inappropriate for use in a special population (e.g., a tablet for individuals who cannot swallow pills), or if the agent is or may be resistant to approved and available alternative products.

https://rumble.com/v361k2g-hydroxychloroquine-the-curious-tale..html

So “Follow The Money” is also a good indicator of who to trust, and who NOT to trust.

About E.M.Smith

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52 Responses to How Trust Is Lost – HCQ, Authority, Corruption, Abuse

  1. andysaurus says:

    I have been saying for some years, with the accumulation of evidence continuing to support the notion, that the ‘military industrial complex’ of which we were warned actually goes into every aspect of modern life. Education, food, agriculture, health, medicine, energy, media, news, government, technology, pharmacy, justice, – you name it.
    I am particularly aggrieved on a personal level by the standard diet that encourages high carbohydrate use (Standard American Diet, or SAD), echoed by authorities in Australia where I live, and England from where I came. It resulted in me weighing 136 kg.
    I now eat fatty steak cooked in animal fat, eggs and bacon. I weigh 84 kg and many ‘diseases/ailments’ are in remission/cured. Calling it a health system is oxymoronic. It is a sickness system designed to keep you ill and dependant on their products, be they processed food or pharma, all backed by a corrupt government being bribed by the interested players.
    Add the lunacy of the woke brigade on sex/gender/race/climate/immigration/drug, legalisation and it seems to indicate a concerted effort to undermine our civilisation, all it stands for and our way of life.
    I invite everybody to dissuade me from my belief that we are at war, and we are losing, with hardly a shot fired.

  2. Ossqss says:

    What he said!

  3. Simon Derricutt says:

    Rumble won’t play here in France; some sort of disagreement with the French government because they don’t censor enough.

    For the BT toxin in corn, does that also pass through to the High Fructose Corn Syrup used to sweeten so many manufactured foods?

    Overall, my trust in Authority has dwindled a lot. I think a lot of them believe what they are doing is the Right Thing, though, since so many people I’d otherwise rate pretty bright think that reducing CO2 is needed to avoid the End Of The World and really don’t understand the logic that the temperatures started rising at the end of the Little Ice Age (before there was much human-emitted CO2), and that the rate of rise after 1950 is really much the same as before 1950 (when the human emissions of CO2 started to become significant). If we don’t know why the previous warming periods or the Little Ice Age happened, we can’t predict what happens in future, but CO2 (from the data) isn’t a big cause. On the other hand, local climates will change as they have always done, and we’ll have to adapt as we’ve always done.

    Malthus’ predictions proved to be wildly wrong, and there is so much unused space on the Earth that if we had enough cheap energy there would be no problem carrying ten times as many people as today. Added to that, looks like that cheap (and non-polluting) energy will be available fairly soon based on data from the various people I know working on physics at the fringe. Since fecundity drops once you get social security and working medicine in poor countries, it looks like the maximum human population will probably be around10 billion or so and with the cheap energy we can farm anywhere. No foreseeable problems with food security once these new bits of technology get widespread.

    Today (on Linked In) I’ve also seen claims that the mRNA vaccines work well and that the death-rate from Covid is smaller where the vax-rate is higher. Official data backing that up…. Since 3 people in my small circle “died suddenly and unexpectedly” soon after being vaxxed, I beg to disagree,though they didn’t die from Covid of course but instead heart failure or sudden cancer. I’m also seeing reports of people getting other unexpected illnesses, and official data that a larger percentage of people are spending more time off work being ill or have left the workforce through illness. These malingerers obviously need to be punished to get them back doing productive work….

    Once people believe something, looks like no amount of logic can change their minds. That includes in science, where we expect people to go by the data. I can’t trust published scientific data as being correct until I’ve tested it myself or until I’ve worked out why it is what it is. I expect a lot more lies in the data as people start to use AI to “help” in writing the papers.

    Some optimism for the future based on technology advances, but also a worry about the political status and a risk of some dystopian prediction being too true.

  4. cdquarles says:

    Folk forgot about the Government-academia complex also noted in that speech. Yes, I saw the changes with my own eyes and heard tales from folk who’d had life exposure to top-down “socialist” “free” medicine. That was decades ago. “Evidence-based” cookbook medicine is how it goes now, enforced by Government directly and indirectly by what they pay for and how much they would “allow”.

    It may indeed pass through to the syrup, depending on the chemical processing. That said, nature is full of poison; though dose and route of exposure matter. The down side to going “natural” is that these sources are easy to confuse and the dosage will not be as consistent.

    Calling these therapeutics mRNA vaccines is delusional and propaganda. They’re transposons. They had to be, because actual mRNA doesn’t last long. Folk generally are not aware of how much embodied life does genetic modification “naturally”, particularly editing and that genetic exchange also happens regularly naturally also. Nothing in this life is risk free and there are always trade-offs. That said, the corruption of “public health” isn’t a good thing.

    It isn’t so much that once people believe something their minds can’t be changed. It is when they get too emotionally invested in that decision and bad outcomes happen that they don’t want to be held responsible for, that they’d rather have cognitive dissonance than face the consequences of their actions.

  5. E.M.Smith says:

    @Ossqss:

    Where I got that from… Best to steal ideas from the best ;-)

    @Simon:

    Corn Sugar (high fructose corn syrup) is largely devoid of protein and it is the protein component that has the BT Toxin (expressed on the surface membrane of every single cell in the corn and some other crops).

    So I have an “allergy” to corn. But I can eat corn starch and corn syrup just fine.

    except (fructose):

    @Andysaurus:

    One of my “loss of trust” events first started when I was about 7 years old. More on that in a bit, but it was with food “recommendations”…

    Now the FDA has issued a new Food Pyramid that is guaranteed to make you fat and ill with Insulin Resistance and other problems needing lots of prescribed drugs. The SAD Diet is a real killer, and huge efforts are going into dissing and forbidding the Ketogenic Diet (including EwTube promoting a “skeptical” report that says, basically, keto is when you are broken and sick…) despite all the known and proven benefits. Like the folks saying we need to not eat meat to “save the planet” (despite running herds of herbivores over semi-desert land is the best way to restore it…)

    So, when I was about 7, was about when the whole Cholesterol = Heart Attack thing got rolling. Dad refused to eat the plastic tasting margarine nor would he give up steaks. (He did continue to smoke and eventually that got him lung cancer, but about 10 years later than average for heavy smokers of unfiltered cigarettes). At autopsy, his circulatory system was fine. Kind of proving his point, though in a very unfortunate way.

    So I grew up eating more or less the way Iowa Farmers and Amish did (and still do really) but with the addition of English Tea and Cakes from Mum. So was a little overweight, but not too bad. Now, at 70+, I take no drugs and have no issues of any significance; while many of those around me (my age cohort) are either dead and gone or very sick. I attribute a lot of this to the way I was raised. VERY LITTLE came from packages. A whole lot of: Meat, Vegetables, Fruits, and some grains (but not excessive). Maybe a little heavy on potatoes (Dad having Irish ancestry too), and with too much Coke & Candy as a kid (free in the family restaurant) but way less than the typical Fast Food Junkie eats today.

    Yet the Medical Establishment has been telling me my whole life to do stupid things like Seed Oils (inflammation promoters) and Hydrogenated Fats (margarine) instead of healthy saturated fats (butter, lard, tallow) and non-seed oils (Olive, Palm, Coconut). Now they tell me to gorge myself on starches, grains, and sugars instead of meat & healthy fats burned keto style.

    Heart Attack risk has been traced to sub-clinical Vitamin C shortage. Getting some sun and high Vitamin D levels reduce your cancer risk (being coated in SPF 50 anytime you see the sun is not healthy). So it goes. For Fructose in particular, it has been shown to stimulate hunger and cause excess consumption – any wonder the Fast Food Fructose Soda Brigade all have several fat rolls of belly? Trans Fats (hydrogenated) from the fries oil clogging up their fat metabolism (reduced now compared to before), Fructose keeping them hungry and leading them to Insulin Resistance and the need to snack every couple of hours, and excess calories galore without any satiety leading them to stop eating. Oh, and using low smoke point seed oils to fry everything (which causes a lot more cancer causing by products in the oil).

    So to some extent I’ve been on this “Loss Of Trust” path for most of my life. But only in the last decade or two has it reached a saturation point. Where now I just assume “Government is wrong, The Media lies, Major Companies are Evil, and Authority is Abusive”. Unfortunately, that belief structure has not let me down… (This has grown to the end state in proportion to the growth of Blackrock & Vanguard et.al.; but I’m sure that’s just a coincidence /sarc;)

    So now I just cook my own food. What do I tend to eat? Meat. Birds & Fish. Eggs. Vegetables. A little bit of fruits. Some gains (mostly as bread for tuna or chicken sandwiches or breakfast toast, and rice with sushi or fish). The odd baked or fried potatoes (frying done in any of butter, tallow, coconut oil, olive oil but no seed oils). Salads from time to time, often with added cheese & olives; maybe every 2nd or 3rd dinner. One morning cup of coffee.

    Typical meal might be: Ham, “Yams”, Green Beans. Slice of bread and butter. Or chicken (fried or baked) with baked or mashed potato, buttered, and a side vegetable (fresh or canned). Burrito made with simmered/fried ground lamb, onions, garlic, salt, pepper, comino (cumin), on a tortilla without hydrogenated oils (you can find them if you look hard) with canned refried beans, cheese, olives, touch of hot sauce, and optional {sour cream, avocado, lettuce / salad stuff} if I have it. Your basic “Meat, Vegetable, Starch” meal plan with only modest starch.

    What is not eaten much, or at all? Sugary things (I’ve lost the attraction to sugar). NEVER any artificial sweeteners (or anything artificial if I can avoid it). Sodas ( I do like unsweet or very low sugar Iced Tea)Cakes & Cupcakes (unless the spouse insists on making one, then a small slice to show “appreciation”…). I do have some fruit pie about once every 2 or 3 months. Very little made with grains (other than the rice & bread mentioned above – though sometimes instant oatmeal if camping). Stuff From Packages. (Exception being when the spouse insists on Kraft Mac & Cheese or the dried scalloped potatoes from a box. Maybe once a month each.) “Snack” foods (chips, dips, puffs, crackers, etc. other than a couple of saltines in soup.) and “Breakfast Cereals” especially those with color and from a box…and never those coated in sugars. Maybe once every 4 months I’d have a bowl of shredded wheat or raisin bran when I have no time to cook eggs & toast for breakfast. Sometimes one spoon of jam on breakfast toast. The very occasional Hot Dog (made with chicken or turkey) either on a slice of bread / bun or with a topping of sauerkraut & mustard.

    Basically, if it comes from a factory I’m skeptical and it better be a simple and clear food item; like bread or canned vegetables / beans.

    I’ve yet to see the FDA recommend that eating pattern… nor does the TV Adverts promote it…

  6. andysaurus says:

    @E.M.Smith You obviously made choices that allowed your metabolism to cope with long chain sugars (carbs). I got to full blown Type 2 diabetes where I was having to inject 80 international units of insulin every day, atrial fibrillations, and ulcerative colitis. One of my methods of retrieving my health has been a 16/8 intermittent fast, so breakfast is a thing of the past.
    The ulcerative colitis was the most debilitating because it kept me close to available toilets. Miserable. I recently discovered it was a milk allergy, so no dairy for me, with the result that it is cured.
    I am certain that for some people like me, carbs are as addictive as heroin, nicotine or alcohol (I smoked 80 a day until 1996). Just a bit encourages more. I can only keep off them by eliminating them totally from my diet. Fortunately, the keto diet is totally satisfying – I am keto adapted with my meter showing beta-hydroxybutyrate (mmol/l?) between 1 and 2 units consistently. I’m never hungry. Cooking takes 10 minutes.
    My only vice is cheap red wine . I had to give up beer which is sad, Having said that, I only drink one or two glasses, and less often than every night, just to prove I can do without. Two cups of black coffee and that’s the total of my plant based input.
    I miss cheese, but I can live without it. Even better I am more likely to live without it.

  7. E.M.Smith says:

    @Andysaurus:

    Keto is very useful for sorting out a lot of issues. BTW, I had discovered a kind of milk reaction / allergy in my 30’s more or less. Long story, but thankfully no colitis. Mostly just arthritic joints and tendency for all sorts of things to make me wheeze.

    An Elimination Diet cleared it all up in just under 2 weeks. One week of Just Chicken. The next week I added potatoes (and a little butter). I was lucky that the butter did not have enough milk proteins to set me off.

    Once it was clearly gone and clearly diet connected, I started to add foods back in. It takes about 8 or 9 days for the immune system to “let go” of a reaction behaviour. Then it takes it several days to return (for many foods). After I’d added in a few more foods, the day came to add back in Milk. 2 or 3 days later, the wheezing and creaky finger joints returned. Removed it again, all good. Over the next few weeks a whole lot of other foods returned without problem, but “Cow Stuff” stayed an issue. I still have cow butter; and a beef steak about once a month (since it takes a few days to ramp up the reaction ;-) but mostly just avoid Cow Stuff other than butter.

    Spouse has a different reaction to Cow Stuff, but also doesn’t do well with beef.

    Oddly, we both are Just Fine with Goat Milk and Goat or Sheep cheeses. Different proteins.

    I would guess that you are unlikely to wish risking a bought of colitis just to try something new; but should your desire for a bit of cheese become too strong, consider trying a bit of goat or sheep cheese. You may find your issue is “Cow Stuff” and not “milk and cheese” from other animals.

    FWIW, dinner tonight was fried fish and buttered chard. A very keto dinner. Water for the beverage. A couple of hours ago and I am still feeling very full.

    That’s the odd thing about keto. Once you get it going, you just don’t get hungry much and certainly not for quite a while after a meal.

    FWIW, I found that various carbs have quite different responses from my metabolism. Potatoes are quite easy and without much sugar excursion at all. Bread in moderation (one or two slices) with meat and butter or mayo also works. But cakes with frosting?? Anything over a small slice and I can tell the sugar shock is hitting. (Lots of fats and fiber can dampen it).

    I once had the bright idea of helping a friend who had sugar issues (hypoglycemia was the diagnosis) with identifying what might work for him. I went on something of a Sugar / Carbs binge and reduced fats, protein and fiber. Heavy on cakes and such. In about 3 weeks, maybe 4, I was having shakes and sugar excursions if I didn’t eat very often. To the point where I was a bit scared I’d “broken myself”. Returning to a low carb diet / high meat and fats, in a week or two I was slowly getting back to normal. I’ve not tried that high carbs thing again since… It was months before I was back to a normal balance and could eat something with a lot of sugar or fast carbs again…

    What it taught me was that our carbs metabolism is more plastic than we might think and that a high carbs diet can push you into disease like state even if you are not sick and have “normal” metabolism. All it takes is too much fast carbs and not enough balancing foods (meat / fats / fiber). But I was able to recover from it with nothing but diet changes.

    BTW, the friend was eventually able to track his issue to a Wheat Allergy. NOT Gluten intolerance, but an actual allergy. If he avoids wheat, he’s fine. (That was part of why the normal hypoglycemic treatments were not working and what got me to “try things on me” and compare it to him.)

  8. YMMV says:

    One thing became clear during Covid:
    Your doctor does not work for you; he works for an institution.
    (Be that hospital, government, WHO, BigPharma)

    Which also means that his objective is not to make you more healthy, but to make some institution more “healthy”.

    And you only thought that was so with socialized medicine…

    (all praise to the exceptions!)

    Unfortunately, the health field is really a mine field. So much info, and more and more everyday, who can know what to trust?

  9. E.M.Smith says:

    Hmmm… this could go under garden plants too, I suppose… but this thread on DIY medicine seems better. Papaya are an interesting fruit. Green, it can be cooked as a vegetable or shredded and treated like spaghetti. Young leaves can be eaten as a Pot Herb, cooked. Ripe, or course, it is a sweet fruit. The seeds can be ground up and used a bit like pepper.

    Then there’s this: It claims that papaya seeds can kill off / cure a common parasite that causes people to (and mice…) to take excessive risks. Toxoplasmosis
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxoplasmosis

    Toxoplasmosis is a parasitic disease caused by Toxoplasma gondii, an apicomplexan. Infections with toxoplasmosis are associated with a variety of neuropsychiatric and behavioral conditions. Occasionally, people may have a few weeks or months of mild, flu-like illness such as muscle aches and tender lymph nodes. In a small number of people, eye problems may develop. In those with a weak immune system, severe symptoms such as seizures and poor coordination may occur. If a person becomes infected during pregnancy, a condition known as congenital toxoplasmosis may affect the child.

    Toxoplasmosis is usually spread by eating poorly cooked food that contains cysts, exposure to infected cat feces, and from an infected woman to their baby during pregnancy. Rarely, the disease may be spread by blood transfusion. It is not otherwise spread between people. The parasite is known to reproduce sexually only in the cat family. However, it can infect most types of warm-blooded animals, including humans. Diagnosis is typically by testing blood for antibodies or by testing the amniotic fluid in a pregnant patient for the parasite’s DNA.

    Prevention is by properly preparing and cooking food. Pregnant women are also recommended not to clean cat litter boxes or, if they must, to wear gloves and wash their hands afterwards. Treatment of otherwise healthy people is usually not needed. During pregnancy, spiramycin or pyrimethamine/sulfadiazine and folinic acid may be used for treatment.

    Up to half of the world’s population is infected by T. gondii, but have no symptoms.
    In the United States, approximately 11% of people have been infected, while in some areas of the world this is more than 60%. Approximately 200,000 cases of congenital toxoplasmosis occur a year. Charles Nicolle and Louis Manceaux first described the organism in 1908. In 1941, transmission during pregnancy from a pregnant parent to their baby was confirmed. There is tentative evidence that infection may affect people’s behavior.

    I wonder if this is why so many people seem a bit nuts lately… ;-)

    In any case, it looks like Papaya Seeds can treat the disease to some extent. I think I’m going to try using some of those Papaya seeds “like pepper” and see if they are tasty or not.

    In mice, the psychological changes are quite obvious and an infected mouse will tend to not run away from a cat, and indulge in other risky behaviour. It is thought that the disease helps the cat get prey, and the cat helps spread the disease, so “win win”…

    In any case, it is an interesting example of potential DIY Medicine using plants.

    This site gives an even broader list of agents:

    https://draxe.com/health/toxoplasmosis/

    While trying to fight off parasites of any kind, it is wise to follow The Parasite Cleanse and Diet. You’ll want to avoid certain foods including sugar, processed foods, alcohol, pork, and wheat. On the other, hand you’ll also want to up your intake of certain foods known to have proven or likely anti-parasitic effects including raw pumpkin seeds, almonds, ginger, garlic, daikon radish, kelp, onions, horseradish, cayenne pepper, pomegranate, cabbage, kombucha tea, papaya (including papaya juice and seeds), carrots, lemon and pineapple.

    I suspect some of those “likely” are not all that likely or there would not be so many people with the parasite in them since a whole lot of folks regularly eat onions, carrots, cabbage, and cayenne pepper… oh, and drink tea.

    So, back at Papaya…

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17472487/

    Effectiveness of dried Carica papaya seeds against human intestinal parasitosis: a pilot study
    John A O Okeniyi 1, Tinuade A Ogunlesi, Oyeku A Oyelami, Lateef A Adeyemi
    Affiliations expand
    PMID: 17472487 DOI: 10.1089/jmf.2005.065
    Abstract
    The tropical fruit Carica papaya and its seeds have proven antihelminthic and anti-amoebic activities.
    To determine the effectiveness of air-dried C. papaya seeds on human intestinal parasitosis, 60 asymptomatic Nigerian children with stool microscopic evidence of intestinal parasites received immediate doses (20 mL) of either an elixir composed with air-dried C. papaya seeds and honey (CPH) or honey alone (placebo) in two randomized treatment groups. Repeat stool microscopic examinations were conducted 7 days postintervention for intestinal parasites. Significantly more subjects given CPH elixir than those given honey had their stools cleared of parasites [23 of 30 (76.7%) vs. five of 30 (16.7%); z = 4.40, P = .0000109]. There were no harmful effects. The stool clearance rate for the various types of parasites encountered was between 71.4% and 100% following CPH elixir treatment compared with 0-15.4% with honey. Thus, air-dried C. papaya seeds are efficacious in treating human intestinal parasites and without significant side effects. Their consumption offers a cheap, natural, harmless, readily available monotherapy and preventive strategy against intestinal parasitosis, especially in tropical communities. Further and large-scale intervention studies to compare C. papaya with standard antiparasitic preparation are desirous.

    So there’s that. Not surprisingly, a random search listed a LOT of “debunking” articles claiming it was just nonsense from a Tic-Toc Video. So guess they don’t know how to do a Pub Med search…

    So my papaya trees are also medicinal. Nice to know! I wonder if, like many antihelminthic substances, there’s any antiviral properties too…

  10. E.M.Smith says:

    @YMMV:

    A big part of why I’ve spent so much time digging into medical articles and issues; because I realized I had to at least Q.A. the M.D. and perhaps do ever more DIY…

  11. E.M.Smith says:

    Well… I did a web search and… yes, Papaya is antiviral. Who knew?

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36425179/

    RSC Adv
    . 2022 Nov 16;12(51):32844-32852. doi: 10.1039/d2ra04600h. eCollection 2022 Nov 15.
    Evaluation of antiviral activity of Carica papaya leaves against SARS-CoV-2 assisted by metabolomic profiling

    Amr Adel 1, Mohamed S Elnaggar 2, Amgad Albohy 3, Ahmed A Elrashedy 4, Ahmed Mostafa 5, Omnia Kutkat 5, Usama Ramadan Abdelmohsen 6 7, Eman Al-Sayed 2, Mohamed A Rabeh 1 8
    Affiliations expand
    PMID: 36425179 PMCID: PMC9667237 DOI: 10.1039/d2ra04600h
    Free PMC article
    Abstract
    The COVID-19 pandemic caused a huge health crisis all over the globe. SARS-CoV-2 is the virus responsible for the disease and it is highly contagious leaving millions of confirmed infected cases and a dangerous death toll. Carica papaya is a tropical plant known for its antiviral activity since it possesses different classes of compounds that are believed to combat various viral classes. In this study, the extracts prepared from C. papaya leaves cultivated in Egypt were evaluated for their anti-SARS-CoV-2 activity using crystal violet assay and for their cytotoxicity through MTT assay. The total methanolic extract, n-hexane, ethyl acetate, and n-butanol fractions of papaya leaves were used in the study and the results revealed that the n-hexane fraction has a high anti-SARS-CoV-2 activity with an IC50 value = 1.98 μg mL-1. Moreover, it also showed a high selectivity index value = 104.7. Dereplication of the secondary metabolites in the crude methanolic extract of C. papaya leaves revealed the presence of different classes of compounds including sterols, terpenes, fatty acid, alkaloids and flavonoids that are known to possess antiviral activities against various classes of viruses. The current study was assisted by molecular docking, molecular dynamics simulation and MM-PBSA calculations for the annotated compounds against 6 SARS-CoV-2 target proteins. The results of these in silico-based investigations showed high to moderate binding on the targeted proteins. This postulation may instigate further research studies concerning the compounds responsible for this high anti-SARS-CoV-2 activity of the n-hexane fraction of C. papaya leaves.

    So, OK, something in the gasoline soluble fraction is antiviral. I think I’ll just try cooking up some of the leaves and eating them in their whole form. Supposedly the younger leaves are edible and palatable. Don’t know about the older ones. Often minor pot herb plants have tough or fibrous older leaves so people prefer the younger ones. OTOH, stronger flavors in older leaves may mean stronger effects.

    Well now I’m looking at my papaya trees with a whole new respect. “Hold the jab and pass the papaya stew, please!” ;-)

  12. E.M.Smith says:

    Oh we’re on a roll down the rabbit hole now! Looks like some anti-tumor and anti-cancer properties too:

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29023013/

    Comparative Study Pak J Biol Sci
    . 2017;20(1):36-41. doi: 10.3923/pjbs.2017.36.41.
    Anti-proliferation and Apoptosis Induction of Aqueous Leaf Extract of Carica papaya L. on Human Breast Cancer Cells MCF-7

    Fatma Zuhrotun Nisa 1, Mary Astuti 2, Agnes Murdiati 2, Sofia Mubarika Haryana 1
    Affiliations expand
    PMID: 29023013 DOI: 10.3923/pjbs.2017.36.41
    Abstract
    Background and objective: Breast cancer is the most frequently diagnosed cancer in women. Chemotherapy is the main method of breast cancer treatment but there are side effects. Carica papaya leaves is vegetable foods consumed by most people of Indonesia have potential as anticancer. The aim of this study was to investigate anti-proliferative and apoptotic induced effect of aqueous papaya leaves extracts on human breast cancer cell lines MCF-7.

    Materials and methods: Inhibitory on cell proliferation was measured by MTT assay while apoptosis induction was measured using Annexin V.

    Results: The results showed that papaya leaf can inhibit the proliferation of human breast cancer cells MCF-7 with IC50 in 1319.25 μg mL-1. The IC50 values of papaya leaf extract was higher than the IC50 value quercetin and doxorubicin. Papaya leaf extract can also induce apoptosis of breast cancer cells MCF-7 about 22.54% for concentration 659.63 μg mL-1 and about 20.73% for concentration 329.81 μg mL-1.
    The percentage of cell apoptosis of papaya leaf extract lower than doxorubicin but higher than quercetin.

    Conclusion: This study indicated that papaya leaf extract have potential as anticancer through mechanism anti-proliferation and apoptosis induction.

    Keywords: Carica papaya; MCF-7 cell line; MTT assay; apoptosis; breast cancer; extract; leaf; proliferation.

    Similar articles
    Aqueous extract of Carica papaya leaves exhibits anti-tumor activity and immunomodulatory effects.
    Otsuki N, Dang NH, Kumagai E, Kondo A, Iwata S, Morimoto C.
    J Ethnopharmacol. 2010 Feb 17;127(3):760-7. doi: 10.1016/j.jep.2009.11.024. Epub 2009 Dec 2.
    PMID: 19961915

    So there’s that.

    OK, I’m going to have to work up the courage to try cooking and eating some papaya leaves.

    https://www.cooksifu.com/recipe/stir-fried-spicy-papaya-leaves/

  13. andysaurus says:

    @E.M.Smith There are those who say that the reason the body uses sugars in preference to protein/fat because it recognises that damage it does to you in terms of inflammation etc. I also think that the usual form of adding them is in the Autumn/Fall (harvest festival) when all the fruit becomes available, and the body wants to stack away as much reserve as possible for Winter.

    Whilst we are discussing observable facts, it is interesting to note that two major religions fast for 6 weeks each in Spring time. Any chance that this is to slim down ready for the hunt after a somnolent Winter?

    And…

    No cave paintings of lettuce.

  14. andysaurus says:

    @E.M.Smith I meant to ask – what is the concentration of Ivermectin in your cattle pour on. I can get 5g/litre here. If a litre has 5,000,000 micrograms, that means each ml has 5,000 mcg. I know the standard dose is 200 micrograms per kilo so, I would need 84 *200 mcg which is 16,800. That would be delivered by (16.800/5,000) = approx 3.5 ml of the pour on.

    Mind you, the standard dose is for oral tablets, and I don’t intend to drink a pour-on, even in such small quantities. You said about 10 ml – is that to cater for reduced efficacy of externally applied medication?

    Lastly, whereabouts on your body do you pour it, or do you need help.

    Thanks for the tip anyway.

    A$90/l here – much cheaper in the US.

  15. AC Osborn says:

    From the Treehouse yesterday, Dr David Martin adresses the almost empty EU parliament about COVID and he does not pull any punches.
    He uses the government, medical industry and WHO data against them showing that the COVID pandemic was planned in advance and was exploiting the public’s health for monetary gain.
    It is just a shame there was hardly anyone there to listen to him.
    This should be headline news in the mass media, instead it is supressed.

    https://rumble.com/v3i004y-health-and-democracy-under-whos-propsed-rules.html

  16. E.M.Smith says:

    @Andysaurus:

    I “did all the math” for this, 2 ways, several years ago and posted it, so it’s in some of the Covid postings somewhere. One way was per the FLCCC protocol of the time:
    link: https://covid19criticalcare.com/
    The other was “say I’m a 100 kg sheep”… and use that dose.

    IIRC, I, too, did the calculation from pills and got the 3.5 ml you did, but also did it from FLCCC and the Indian folks and found 5 ml was inside the accepted range so went ahead and “plus-ed it up” a little to that, matching the cattle pour on dose/kg. In any case, it has worked for 4 years now.

    Turns out they are essentially the same (within the therapeutic dose range). IIRC, the “if I’m a sheep” dose was slightly higher. I’d also looked at the early Indian data (who were doing one dose a month to start, and had something like 75% efficacy at prevention and a much lower dose). FLCCC started at once every 2 weeks and got about 94% prevention. Then moved to once / week and got 100%. This is in keeping with the clearing times of the drug. IIRC, I figured it was about 10 days to zero-ish, so 14 days was a bit low at the end and 7 days gave a residual level at day 7 that was just in the effective range, still. The dose range MAX is way higher in any case as this thing just is not very toxic at all. (Therapeutic range is VERY large with lots of headroom).

    The Ivermectin I found, then, as cattle pour on is “Durvet Ivermectin topical solution pour on for cattle. 5 mg ivermectin per ml” so my 10 ml is 50 mg; and it is also the dose on the convenient measuring spout of the bottle for a 220 lb sheep / calf which is also about my weight.

    At the time, I bought what I thought was likely a “Way over the top amount” of something like 2 liters. I figured it would be about a 5 year supply and that ‘this will all be over well before then”. Except it isn’t. So I’m down to my last year or so worth (for the 2 of us) and likely need to buy some more (so will look at what other brands are available too, now). I also looked up the MSDS sheet and found that the solvent is isopropanol (rubbing alcohol). So this is almost all rubbing alcohol with a tiny bit of active ingredient.

    Where to put it? It is designed to be poured onto the fur of a large animal and soak in through the skin. I just figure that without fur and with thinner “hide”, it will do the same on me. So I rub it on anywhere (with one big exception…). Mostly I’ll use “belly or legs” as they are most easily reached without spilling on the floor. Sometimes I’ll use arms, occasionally shoulders or neck. It doesn’t seem to matter. Only “big deal” is to not wash it off and let it be for 24 hours to “soak in”, and avoid the scrotum. Once, about 50+ years ago, I was using some rubbing alcohol on a bit of sore muscles in the legs and “discovered” that when applied sloppily that the scrotum was “special” and felt like it was burning… So no rubbing alcohol on “the boys”… I would assume something similar for women’s labia…

    I have a tiny sake cup that I use and just pour the measured 10 ml into it, then from it, I pour a little at a time on some bit of skin and “rub it in” until no longer dripping. It dries rapidly to a slight film that eventually soaks in.

    FWIW, on the smaller package (one that I also bought way back when and refill from my big jug) you get a measuring cup built in. For mine, the bottom line is the 10 ml / 220 lb mark that I use.

    BTW, love that “no cave paintings of lettuce” ;-) but, there are Egyptian walls with lettuce on them – a kind of over sized Cos or Romaine type. So I guess we can mark the start of our metabolic decline to the Egyptian Empire era ;-)

    I’m pretty sure the ancients figured out they felt better after a fast, so made it “a thing”.

    Also, I’m of the opinion that since we know Fructose stimulates the brain to eat more, and comes from fruit, and is directly converted to fat in the liver (bypassing other pathways): I’m pretty sure it is “natures way” of saying “It’s fall and the fruit is all ripe, fatten up for winter!”. Just like I suspect the forced fasting of The Hunger Gap in winter signals to “go Keto and use the stored fat”. Then we break all that with “perpetual fall” via High Fructose Corn Syrup in everything and just pack on the pounds.

  17. E.M.Smith says:

    Oh, and just putting this video here so I can find it again. It’s about cancer, what really causes it and how to get rid of it via removing its food (sugar) and re-balancing your metabolism via fasting.

    There’s a whole lot of “testimonials” and such when you search on “cancer sugar fasting” so this one is hard to find in the flood, but it is one of the best ones.

  18. The True Nolan says:

    Ivermectin? I have been using the same cattle drench that EM shows for about 3 years with no ill effects. I did come down with one flu of some sort about a year ago. COVID? Not COVID? No idea; I was hesitant to increase dosage, not being certain at the time of the extreme range of dosages that are still safe. Any way, I was in bed for three days and draggy for a week. If I got symptoms again, I would immediately repeat a dose, and maybe even a third or forth dose over the next few days. Other than that one illness, nothing, no sniffles, nothing.

    Not sure what the price is now, but at the Co-Op a couple years ago it was about $22 or so for 1/4 liter — but only $80 or so for 5 liters.

    By the way… THANKS, EM! Your research and analysis was a major reason I went ahead and started using it. Dr. Piere Korey had made several interviews and statements about it, but your digging was the final factor for me. I have a brother and several friends who were convinced as well.

  19. andysaurus says:

    @E.M.Smith, thank you so much for your detailed and thorough response. You have commented before that you type about as fast as you think and that it isn’t an effort for you, but I count it as a privilege that you attend to my questions as you do. Thank you.
    I have heard an evolutionary biologist (I think probably Brett Weinstein) comment that poor dental health, obesity and other diseases originated in the fertile crescent that includes egypt. It would seem that these are associated with the farming practices that were invented there, so your hieroglyphic evidence concords with what he said.

  20. YMMV says:

    Good to know. It looks like it is available (but not at Amazon).
    Of course everything comes with the Covid obligatory dire warning.

    product details: https://www.durvet.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Ivermectin-PO_5L_FP-1.pdf
    Safety Data Sheet: https://www.durvet.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/Ivermectin-Pour-On_Norbrook_030816_SDS.pdf

  21. YMMV says:

    Yes and No:
    “Currently unavailable.
    We don’t know when or if this item will be back in stock.”

    Maybe they are just sold out and will get more soon.
    There is a recent review (July 17, 2023) which says they received their order.

    The splash and dash is certainly cheaper than the pills from India.
    Pills to cover the “two weeks”, fine. But then … you know.

  22. E.M.Smith says:

    Interesting… the link I posted, for me, gives:

    $55.61
    FREE delivery Friday, September 22. Order within 14 hrs 53 mins. Details
    Choose location for most accurate options
    Only 10 left in stock
    – order soon

    and the 5 L size gives: https://www.amazon.com/Ivermectin-Pour-5Ltr-Part-01-11045NB/dp/B002FYRAWK/

    92.75 ($0.55 / Fl Oz)
    FREE delivery Tuesday, September 26. Details
    Choose location for most accurate options
    In Stock

    Wonder if it varies by Nation or State or Location / warehouse zone…

  23. E.M.Smith says:

    The 250 ml bottle is in stock too: https://www.amazon.com/Durvet-IVERMECTIN-Pour-Cattle/dp/B079ZHBTWK/

    $25.29 ($2.98 / Fl Oz)
    FREE delivery September 22 – 25. Details
    Choose location for most accurate options
    Only 7 left in stock – order soon

    They also have some 2-Packs and other sizes listed, but I’m not going to post them all. Amazon sometimes has a bunch of very similar things, different sizes and such or packages, and doesn’t always have the same price or availability on things that look the same to me… For example, they have listings for both 1 L and 1000 ml that are basically the same thing…

    I suspect it is a “by region warehouse” thing…

  24. YMMV says:

    Interesting! It never occurred to me that it could be by warehouse. Makes sense. But then it didn’t offer any choices. Some chain stores let you find out what is in stock for all their locations.

    You’re right! As a test I entered 80222 as the shipping zip code, and it worked.
    Learn something every day!

  25. E.M.Smith says:

    @TTN:

    Nice to know that “Dig Here!” was helpful to others. It was a fun bit of a dig / run. 8-)

    @Andysaurus:

    You are most welcome. Do note that at least partly it is because you ask interesting questions with interesting places to dig ;-) or ask about something where I did a “Big Dig” and so it’s nice to be reminded the work was of use.

    I no longer think about typing. I just think the words and there they are…

    It is slower than the “gestalt” type thinking, where the thought, fully formed, is just there… often with visuals / images / sounds; but about as fast as “verbal thoughts”. So IF I’m thinking of composing some prose, it just flows out the fingers too…

    So “picture mating elephants” is a visual just there and would take a good while to translate into words and type. But “How do I fry chicken, the process” creating a body of text has the typing about as fast as the thinking.

    Per Agriculture:

    It is one of the “odd but true” things that with the onset of agriculture and growing grains, the archaeology evidence shows bad teeth, shorter stature, smaller brain size, skeletal issues and more showing up. Agriculture let there be more of us, but in worse health…

    Hunter / Gatherer skeletons & teeth tend to be in better condition, but with more physical injury damage.

    Oh, one other thing: Evidence for warfare only shows up with the advent of agriculture. It would seem that before then, we were too busy trying to find something to eat, and too scattered, to bother with war and a military structure. It was agriculture that gave humanity something to fight over and the time to do it… Along with enough people in one spot to make an army. It also looks to have enabled the Hierarchical Society and the rise of the Sociopath to lead it to war…

    Maybe that’s why so many people pine for the log cabin in the forest family group and hunting for dinner…

  26. Power Grab says:

    @ EM:

    Was the Durvet product the same product you had used on your bunnies?

    I found a friend who had Ivermectin pills, but thought it might be better to have the pour-on around in case our bunny needed treating.

  27. E.M.Smith says:

    @Powergrab:

    I used 2 drugs on the bunnies. Ivermectin was one of them, then Albendazole or Fenbendazole (valbazen). I had miniature bunnies so getting the dose right was a bit of a challenge (eye dropper making 2 drops IIRC…)

    Look up the actual E. Cuniculi posting to be sure: https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2015/06/28/rabbits-e-cuniculi-and-a-rewarding-moment-from-cure/

    IIRC, the Vet gave the bunny a shot of Albendazole (first bunny) and I added other stuff later. But when I “cooked up” my treatment (cure) I could only get Valbazen one time and Fenbendazole another. At any rate, it’s all in the posting and comments.

    Also remember the caution that Dutch Pattern rabbits sometimes have a weaker blood / brain barrier, so you need to test it in very small dose the first time.

    It is one of those strange things that a couple of breeds of dog, and Dutch Pattern rabbits can have a reaction when no other type does due to a variation in the blood brain barrier.

  28. jim2 says:

    Your comment about war intrigued me, so I had to look. War plays an important role shaping societies. It wasn’t until the UK got tired of Viking raids that a central authority, a king, and taxes were put in place. The taxes were used to raise, train, and supply an army – a well regulated militia if you will – to teach those pesky Vikings some manners.

    An Ancient, Brutal Massacre May Be the Earliest Evidence of War

    Even nomadic hunter-gatherers engaged in deliberate mass killings 10,000 years ago

    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/ancient-brutal-massacre-may-be-earliest-evidence-war-180957884/

  29. jim2 says:

    Here’s another possible pre-agricultural war. It was hard for me to imagine humans sans violence.

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/2278870-earliest-known-war-was-a-repeated-conflict-in-sudan-13400-years-ago/

  30. jim2 says:

    You spark my curiosity from time to time, EMS. Thanks.

  31. E.M.Smith says:

    @Jim2:

    I suspect we are working from different definitions of “War”. I’m seeing it as organized violence of a fairly large group (i.e. hundreds) with weapons designed specifically for war (i.e. swords not knives and spears of a kind not useful for killing animals) and with rudimentary armor….

    A half dozen males killing off part of some tribe or family where some unknown dispute would adequately explain it (i.e. jilted bride, stolen food, killed brother) is not what I’d call “War”. Like the Hatfields and Macoys, it is a family fued not a war, in my view.

    Your second article link is unavailable to me as I do not have an account on their site (and they demand I make one). Your first link includes (my bold):

    They are the victims of the earliest scientifically dated evidence for human group conflict—a precursor to what we now know as war.

    so even they recognize it doesn’t rise to the level of a formal war.

    Further down:

    […] identifying at least 27 individuals[…]
    Of the 27 individuals found, eight were male and eight female, with five adults of unknown gender. The site also contained the partial remains of six children.

    So 8 men of clear fighting stature, but also a matched number of females, then 5 adults not showing clear sexual traits in their bones (so I would speculate “teens”) and then a similar number of children. That doesn’t look like much of an “Army”.

    It looks more like a tribe of about 8 families (or less if some are grandparents) that was killed in some kind of feud or by a group of marauders / raiders. So just as I’d not call a Viking Raid on some village a “war” I’d not call this a war.

    Then this flight of fancy is just BS:

    The killers carried weapons they wouldn’t have used for hunting and fishing, Mirazon Lahr notes, including clubs of various sizes and a combination of close-proximity weapons like knives and distance weapons, including the arrow projectiles she calls a hallmark of inter-group conflict.

    The hammer is not just a weapon, but an essential tool for nomads. Used to crack bones to get to the marrow, and drive tent pegs, in addition to tasks from cracking walnuts to breaking big rocks to get flint for tools. A “club” is largely a primitive hammer. The first tools ever found were “hammer stones”, then those affixed to handles as an axe or hammer.

    Knives are the next tool invented. From flint scrapers for hides on up to cutting tools for cutting grains / plants.

    Then the bow & arrow. NOT a sign of war, but a better “game getter” than the spear. Pretty much every hunter gatherer group eventually made and used the bow and arrow for food getting. Even today, Survival Lilly on Naked & Afraid chose to take her bow (as the allowed tool) and used to to get a rabbit for food.

    Were I stocking up my Bug Out Vehicle, what would I put in it? (What IS in it…). A hammer of some kind (also used to repair the truck), a knife (“survival” or “hunting” type) and also a machete (very useful for wood processing and cutting brush) and, if possible, a bow and arrow set ( I have 2, but need to find them). ALL for food getting and camp construction. (I would use a hand axe as both chopping tool and hammer on the back side for at least 2 kits – as that’s the number I have.

    Clearly this person knows nothing of hunting. Heck, doesn’t even remember the fuss about “clubbing baby seals in Canada”… A Club is a good food getter and very useful as you approach a wounded animal to “finish it off”. Processing wood to make shelters (even primitive lean-to type) is done with knives “baton” strikers (hammers) and axes.

    Then, based on their erroneous assumptions, they build further flights of fancy”

    “This suggests premeditation and planning,” Mirazon Lahr notes.

    No, it does not. It implies that ancient hunter gatherers carried their prized tools that embodied hours or days or even weeks of work with them. When I go camping, I have an axe or machete, “hunting” knife, fire bundle, and if possible, some “small animal capture device” be it gun, bow & arrow, or fishing kit. Add a bedroll and cooking gear and that’s pretty much every “prepper” or “survivalist” or “outdoorsman” or even hunter gatherer basic kit.

    Other, isolated examples of period violence have previously been found in the area, and those featured projectiles crafted of obsidian, which is rare in the area but also seen in the Nataruk wounds. This suggests that the attackers may have been from another area, and that multiple attacks were likely a feature of life at the time.

    We know folks traded prized obsidian over very long distances even in pre-historic times. All the presence of obsidian arrow points indicates is that they had, or traded for, obsidian and liked it for the superior points it makes. Also, rare is not absent. Lots of “rare” materials are hunted out and used. Even special wood is sought for the particular properties in making spears, bows, axe handles, etc. So the presence of obsidian implies nothing about the origin of the attackers.

    The author then goes on to say this indicates property of value was the motivation. I call Bull Shit on that, too. It could just be one tribe had a guy who knocked up the daughter of the other tribe’s chief and then didn’t want to marry her. Or that one insulted the other. Pissed on their “sacred burial mound” or whatever.

    This is my usual complaint about most pre-history archaeology papers. They make up a whole lot of crap from nearly no evidence; usually to include motivation, social dynamics (by inclusion or exclusion of choices), and “rituals” (usually stated as “religion” when “harvest party” would be sufficient).

    Basically they make up a Pretty Good Story that may or may not have anything to do with the “evidence”.

    In any case, I’d not call a tribal feud a “war”. By that definition, “war” has been with use since our Bonobo ancestors started breaking big animal bones and using fire to cook meat. I.e. about 6 million years…

    There’s a “counter narrative” that I read some years ago. A site in South America about 5000 years ago (or maybe 5000 BC). It looks like a big trading village. Folks inland grow a plant that is used to make fishing nets. Folks from the shore bring fish and trade it for nets (and other trades too; but that’s the basic one). There isn’t any evidence at all of protective structures (forts, defensive walls, etc.) nor evidence of weapons. Until the city got larger and agriculture arrived. Then those layers of excavation show just those kinds of things and skeletons with “battle damage”.

    Not sure how to find it now, but it makes a very good case for the evolution of armies and battle and wars arriving with fixed settlements and the “wealth” from agriculture.

    Then there is the fact that the Native Americans when “doing battle” often did it via “taking coup” and not via killing. Scalping was introduced by the Europeans who paid a bounty for each one. In a hunter / gatherer society, injury in battle is a very grave risk and people take pains to avoid it.

    Now none of this is to imply that hunter / gathers were peaceful pastoralists living a charmed life. Look at Utze, the Ice Man. Killed about 5000 years ago up in the mountains, by an arrow (of the kind commonly used for hunting, BTW, i.e. stone tip). Near as we can tell, he was a hunter (with bow & arrows, knives, hand axe…) and was alone. But somebody was pissed at him and shot him. (and no, it is NOT possible to state “motivation’ or why). But violence existed even between individuals and tribes.

    But to call it war? Nope. Show me the fortifications, the evidence of large groups of men attacking other large groups of men, and the use of weapons not generally used for hunting (and preferably with some kind of armor – be it the thick Bear Skin of the Vikings, the lacquered wood of the Japanese, or even the silk shirt undergarment of the Mongols (that actually works, like flexible body armor or today, the outer hard layer takes most of the arrow impact, then the silk supports it and spreads out the impact while being tough to cut through)

    If it’s just two pissed off tribal groups going at it with hunting tools, food processing tools, and camp making tools, that’s not war. That’s an anthropologist trying to “make up a good ‘rewrite history’ story “to impress his peers or the administration for a raise…

    And “you’re welcome” ;-)

  32. Ossqss says:

    War has driven the economy for several decades. Think about it and do the math.

  33. jim2 says:

    Hunter-gatherer tribes probably had only around 500 people, so if only some of the males go to war, it would be difficult to have a really large “army.” And a wandering people probably wouldn’t build something as permanent as a fort – too much energy for a temporary location.

    I’m sure the people in the UK felt like they were in a war. But the over-arching point was the Viking raids caused a major change in their society with effects that persist even today. It’s probably why white people were so successful exploring and conquering a large part of the world. They were used to having an organized army that was well trained.

    I’ve had that same thought about archaeology papers inferring too much from too few facts.

    So maybe instead of calling it war, we could just call it human on human violence. That, I’m pretty sure, has been a constant.

  34. jim2 says:

    From what I’ve found, agriculture emerged around 10,000 BC. You may be thinking about Tehuacán Valley, Mexico. It was settled, apparently, due to the large variety of native food plants.

    The Prehistoric Civilizations of South America

    https://quatr.us/west-asia/ancient-history-timeline-10000-4000-bc.htm

    https://www.thoughtco.com/tehuacan-valley-mexico-172989

  35. E.M.Smith says:

    @Jim2:

    “When” for Agriculture is a variable. Best evidence is for a Central Asian origination that then swept south and west over Europe and North Africa (Egypt). Starting about 10,000 BP and ending when “settlers” reached North America…

    BUT, there looks to also be a separate origination in the Americas of unknown antiquity but about 5000 yr BP in central / south America. Then there may also be a separate origin in East Asia… where I’m not sure the dates, but it traveled with the Polynesians fairly recently across the pacific.

    It also does look a little bit like “war” traveled with it. For example, Native North Americans had tribal battles, but nothing like the wholesale slaughter that arrived with European Armies… yet the Inca and Aztecs DID have large scale warfare… along with cities and advanced agriculture. (Raised beds with water channels between them, for example).

    So, yeah, people have been violent to other people since before they evolved into people, but to truly get the violence on a massive scale, takes a LOT of stored food and large population – that seems to depend on agriculture.

    @Ossqss:

    If you plot total military budget over time from, say, the start of the Roman Empire to now, it does seem to have a high growth rate. It looks similar to the growth rate of total farmed land and production; and it looks like population growth.

    Projecting the “math”, one would suspect that a W.W.III ought to happen before too long and be much bigger than the prior one. Or maybe we’re just now in a state of Perpetual War (with minor oscillations…) as the “news” seems to imply.

    FWIW, it looks like Europe, Caucasus (Azerbaijan) , and East Asia (China, China Sea, etc.) are on deck for the next escalation; with the USA involved “at a distance”… at least up until either Russia or China gets tired of our hiding behind 2 oceans and pretending to not be pot stirring… Oh, and don’t forget Niger vs France in Africa… it’s hotting up too with Burkina Fasso and Mali joining the Niger pact and Nigeria getting excited too.

    You would think folks could figure out that honest trade and mutual respect worked better than Global Domination and War, but I guess not… Stupid is as stupid does.

  36. Power Grab says:

    @ EM:

    IIRC, people have been using Ivermectin in combination (sometimes) with Fenbendazole in the past 3 years. So Ivermectin is an antiparasitic, and isn’t Fenbendazole an antifungal?

    In my recent posting from Dr. Becker’s book “The Body Electric”, it intrigued me that their brain specialist said that certain of the bunny brain samples they sent to him were damaged because its immune system was damaged in those locations.

    And because, what do they say?, 70-80% of our immune system is in our microbiome, it sounded to me that the magnetic field (I’d be inclined to describe it as an EMF field) wiped out some of their commensal organisms, which left the parasites free to multiply and destroy those parts of the brain that had been radiated.

    I’ve been thinking this past 3 years that it’s a combination of heavy metals from shots and other toxins that damage our commensal organisms, along with stronger radiation than we’re accustomed to (got 5G or acquired lots of close-at-hand wireless digital toys and appliances since 2019, anyone?) were what caused the most severe injuries and deaths. And that’s not even factoring in the cases where people were “treated to death” at hospitals.

    In the cases where people had had a disease or injury in years past, but were in remission or otherwise returned to relative health, but which raised its ugly head again (especially after taking one or more clot shots), I wonder if there is a propensity for our body to have made changes in those damaged or diseased tissues/organs (perhaps leaving scars, or perhaps because of surgery that changed the flow of chi, etc.) that caused greater amounts of LNPs or spike protein to accumulate in those locations. Perhaps that led to a return of the symptoms or malfunctions that they had had when they were diagnosed with that past disease or condition, and since their “good guy” microorganisms (e.g., bifidobacteria) had been decimated and could no longer mount a defense against, say, a cytokine storm or other destructive cycle…then that led to their quick demise.

    I’m seeing things that make it sound like our microbiome plays a huge part in maintaining our health. Also, when they say “Everyone is different” when referring to the success or failure of a particular treatment, the greatest part of that difference lies in the microbiome. And the microbiome changes day-to-day, or even hour-to-hour, depending on changes in our diet, environment, or even mood or mental state.

  37. Power Grab says:

    BTW, our bunny is brown with only a spot of white on his nose and a couple paws. The bunny is the color of an acorn. Also, his name is Acorn. How convenient!

  38. beththeserf says:

    Great coverage, E.M.
    Meat and vegetable, Vitamin D, Ivermectin, growing stuff,
    and a measure of scepticism, like you, my recipe for living in
    uncertain times.

  39. another ian says:

    This has done the rounds a bit while I haven;t been able to post here –

    “Interesting items downstream from

    How Trust Is Lost – HCQ, Authority, Corruption, Abuse

    Where Chiefio looks at the properties of the modest papaya plant –

    “Hmmm… this could go under garden plants too, I suppose… but this thread on DIY medicine seems better. Papaya are an interesting fruit. Green, it can be cooked as a vegetable or shredded and treated like spaghetti. Young leaves can be eaten as a Pot Herb, cooked. Ripe, or course, it is a sweet fruit. The seeds can be ground up and used a bit like pepper.

    Then there’s this: It claims that papaya seeds can kill off / cure a common parasite that causes people to (and mice…) to take excessive risks. Toxoplasmosis

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toxoplasmosis”

    and more. then

    “Well… I did a web search and… yes, Papaya is antiviral. Who knew?

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36425179/

    “Well now I’m looking at my papaya trees with a whole new respect. “Hold the jab and pass the papaya stew, please!” 😉 ”

    “Oh we’re on a roll down the rabbit hole now! Looks like some anti-tumor and anti-cancer properties too:

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29023013/

    “OK, I’m going to have to work up the courage to try cooking and eating some papaya leaves.

    https://www.cooksifu.com/recipe/stir-fried-spicy-papaya-leaves/

    Upcoming headlines in “Not the Bee” and NYT, CNN, ABC, Guardian and other YSM –

    “CDC, NIH, FDA, Big Pharma, TGA, State Government Health Departments, AMA announce ban on consuming papaya products!

    Chiefio, Jo Nova, Small Dead Animals and Rebel News censored!”

  40. andysaurus says:

    @E.M.Smith. Thanks for all you advice, I jumped in and slathered my bod in cow anthelmintic according to manufacturer’s recommendations. I’ll let you know when I don’t die from a virus.
    Did you ever look at Borage as a wound repair agent? Easy to grow and a great green manure.
    I still have the damp fingertip of borax from time to time, do you?

  41. The True Nolan says:

    @E.M.: “You would think folks could figure out that honest trade and mutual respect worked better than Global Domination and War, but I guess not… Stupid is as stupid does.”

    Of course you are right. But when even one (psychopathic) trading partner decides that coercion and aggression is a better choice, then EVERYONE has to alter their strategy. It takes two to tango, but it only takes one to start a fight.

    If I were the proverbial “King of the World” and could do that magic wave of the hand, I would love to see the world with something approaching anarchy. “Rules, but no Rulers.” Sadly that breaks down in the real world. As soon as one warlord becomes so successful that other individuals are no longer able to challenge him, good people have no choice but to re-create nation-states for mutual defense.

    @Power Grab: I suspect I am preaching to the choir about this, but it may be new to someone. One of the reasons glyphosate is considered so safe is that it primarily affects a well understood metabolic pathway called shikimate, which is found in plants but not animals. Hence, it is reported as “not toxic to animals”. On the other hand, the shikimate pathway is found in some bacteria that live in our gut. We don’t even know the function of a lot of gut bacteria — but we do know that it is responsible for producing B vitamins, for “predigesting” some nutrients, and is connected to our emotional and mental functioning. How can glyphosate be considered safe when we know it is throwing grit into the gears of our bacterial biome, but we don’t understand what all the biome does?! Obviously, the manufacturers and government agencies say it is safe, but looking at their track record on honesty, I would rather bet against them.

  42. The True Nolan says:

    @andysaurus: “I still have the damp fingertip of borax from time to time, do you?”

    I do not use commercial toothpaste. For one thing I do not want the extra fluoride. I use mostly baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) with some mint flavoring added. But I also add some borax, maybe 25%. When I brush, I rinse and spit like anyone else and don’t make an effort to swallow, but I figure that amount of borax is safe and sufficient to get a daily dose into me.

  43. Power Grab says:

    @ TTN:

    Right you are! Dittos on everything you said about Glyphosate and the shikimate pathway. I’ve reading Stephanie Seneff’s research about that for some years now.

  44. Simon Derricutt says:

    TTN – “I would love to see the world with something approaching anarchy. “Rules, but no Rulers.” Sadly that breaks down in the real world.”

    Yep, that would be my ideal, too. It only takes a small smattering of people who want to exploit others to make that fail, as you say. The other reason it wouldn’t work is that too many people prefer to be followers rather than think for themselves, so we naturally end up with groups with leaders who make the decisions that the others in the group follow. The leaders are generally not chosen for competence, but because they can speak well and project certainty which may or may not be justified. Maybe they’re certain because they read it in a book someone else wrote….

  45. The True Nolan says:

    Simon Derricutt: “too many people prefer to be followers rather than think for themselves”

    True. I have a hard time respecting people who have the ability to think but choose not to. On the other hand, for those who have no real talent for thinking, following the herd has shown itself to be a reasonably good long term strategy. It may not give optimal results, but for the poor thinkers out there, it mostly gives acceptable results, and requires almost no investment of time and resources. It fails most often when something new, something unprecedented, comes along.

    Many, maybe most, people will do ANYTHING if it helps prevent them from having to think. To quote Edward Teller, “I have come to suspect that to most people thinking is painful.”

    Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oh31I1F2vds

  46. YMMV says:

    One of the reasons glyphosate is considered so safe is that it primarily affects a well understood metabolic pathway called shikimate, which is found in plants but not animals. Hence, it is reported as “not toxic to animals”.

    Without mentioning the known unknowns, such as gut bacteria.

    That’s the post-modern science in a nutshell. Like with mRNA “vaccines”, they say they are “safe and effective”, but leave out the phrase “as far as we know (and there is a lot we do not know)”. Except that for the mRNA things, they knew more than they admitted. And they implied that their testing was not extremely limited.

    I’m told old maps used to say “Here there be monsters”, beyond the known.
    In aircraft design, there is an “envelope” which gives the limits of safe flight.
    For an ICE engine, there is a red line, go past at your risk.
    Or if you prefer platitudes, look before you leap.

    The eco-left used to promote the Precautionary Principle. We haven’t heard much about that in the Covid era.

  47. E.M.Smith says:

    @Andysaurus:

    I just never get enough injuries nor enough big enough to be worth looking at the wound clotting effect. I know about it, but never needed it…

    Per Borax: Yes. Though sometimes the time is long. Like now when I’ve moved my jugs of it but will not be able to use it again until I unpack / find them…

    @TTN:

    I”ve been looking at saturated salt solution and turmeric as a tooth agent. No conclusions yet…

  48. cdquarles says:

    Do you need a fast acting blood coagulating agent for a wound? Silver nitrate works well. Good luck finding it.

  49. E.M.Smith says:

    @CDQuarles:

    It used to be easy to make back when dimes were silver ;-)

    FWIW, IIRC it also kills canker sores and inhibits some other skin viruses… I remember being about 5? and having Doc Sears swab a canker sore with it. Gone in a day or so.

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