I’ve begun to wonder if our “Medical Establishment” along with our “Food Industry” are actively trying to damage us and / or stop reproduction; of if they are just highly greedy and do not care?
Along that line of thought… There’s a bunch of highly “recommended” (i.e. pushed and promoted) foods that seem to do just that. From high linoleic acid plant and seed oils, to fake meat and even oatmeal “rich” in glyphosate (RoundUp as formulated with adjuncts); the recommended foods seem to come with some real downsides, medically.
Seed Oils
There’s a lot wrong with seed oils, from Omega-6 rich oils increasing inflammatory processes to heat processing damage and more. But looking specifically at one thing here: they are pushed as a way to reduce heart & circulatory problems and extend life.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23386268/
Use of dietary linoleic acid for secondary prevention of coronary heart disease and death: evaluation of recovered data from the Sydney Diet Heart Study and updated meta-analysis
Christopher E Ramsden 1, Daisy Zamora, Boonseng Leelarthaepin, Sharon F Majchrzak-Hong, Keturah R Faurot, Chirayath M Suchindran, Amit Ringel, John M Davis, Joseph R Hibbeln
PMID: 23386268 PMCID: PMC4688426 DOI: 10.1136/bmj.e8707
Abstract
Objective: To evaluate the effectiveness of replacing dietary saturated fat with omega 6 linoleic acid, for the secondary prevention of coronary heart disease and death.Design: Evaluation of recovered data from the Sydney Diet Heart Study, a single blinded, parallel group, randomized controlled trial conducted in 1966-73; and an updated meta-analysis including these previously missing data.
Setting: Ambulatory, coronary care clinic in Sydney, Australia.
Participants: 458 men aged 30-59 years with a recent coronary event.
Interventions: Replacement of dietary saturated fats (from animal fats, common margarines, and shortenings) with omega 6 linoleic acid (from safflower oil and safflower oil polyunsaturated margarine). Controls received no specific dietary instruction or study foods. All non-dietary aspects were designed to be equivalent in both groups.
Outcome measures: All cause mortality (primary outcome), cardiovascular mortality, and mortality from coronary heart disease (secondary outcomes). We used an intention to treat, survival analysis approach to compare mortality outcomes by group.
Results: The intervention group (n=221) had higher rates of death than controls (n=237) (all cause 17.6% v 11.8%, hazard ratio 1.62 (95% confidence interval 1.00 to 2.64), P=0.05; cardiovascular disease 17.2% v 11.0%, 1.70 (1.03 to 2.80), P=0.04; coronary heart disease 16.3% v 10.1%, 1.74 (1.04 to 2.92), P=0.04). Inclusion of these recovered data in an updated meta-analysis of linoleic acid intervention trials showed non-significant trends toward increased risks of death from coronary heart disease (hazard ratio 1.33 (0.99 to 1.79); P=0.06) and cardiovascular disease (1.27 (0.98 to 1.65); P=0.07).Conclusions: Advice to substitute polyunsaturated fats for saturated fats is a key component of worldwide dietary guidelines for coronary heart disease risk reduction. However, clinical benefits of the most abundant polyunsaturated fatty acid, omega 6 linoleic acid, have not been established. In this cohort, substituting dietary linoleic acid in place of saturated fats increased the rates of death from all causes, coronary heart disease, and cardiovascular disease. An updated meta-analysis of linoleic acid intervention trials showed no evidence of cardiovascular benefit. These findings could have important implications for worldwide dietary advice to substitute omega 6 linoleic acid, or polyunsaturated fats in general, for saturated fats.
So go ahead and eat that marbled steak, enjoy your pork chops (fat and all) and slather your toast with Real Butter.
FWIW, the only cooking fats I use (other than what cooks out of roasted meats and ends up in gravy or soups) are: Olive Oil & Butter for almost everything, and a little coconut oil in some things such as 10% in Tallow (beef fat) used for deep frying. There is one small bottle of “vegetable oil” in the fridge that the spouse insists on using in baking to avoid olive oil flavor in baked goods. That works out to about 2 Tablespoons a month…
Fake “meat” and Wheat
Fake “meat” is largely made from Soy Beans or Wheat. Soy has a lot of problems including phyto-estrogens and various pesticide residues along with the need to be processed to make it “edible”. Those are pretty well known to most folks.
But the big push for Fake “meat” includes using a lot of Seitan (pronounced a lot like Satan…) which is basically Wheat gluten.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seitan
Seitan (UK: /ˈseɪtæn/, US: /-tɑːn/;[1] Japanese: セイタン) is a food made from gluten, the main protein of wheat. It is also known as miànjīn (Chinese: 麵筋), fu (Japanese: 麩), milgogi (Korean: 밀고기), wheat meat, gluten meat, vital wheat gluten or simply gluten. It is made by washing wheat flour dough with water until most of the starch granules have been removed, leaving behind the sticky, insoluble gluten as an elastic mass, which is then cooked and eaten.
Wheat gluten is an alternative to soybean-based foods, such as tofu, which are sometimes used as a meat alternative. Some types of wheat gluten have a chewy or stringy texture that resembles meat more than other substitutes.
So you are pretty much going to get either wheat or soy as your “Fake meat”.
The problem with wheat is two things.
1) In the USA, the wheat is usually “dried off” by soaking it with glyphosate (Roundup) so that it all dries at the same time and can be harvested on an exact schedule. I.E. to be cheaper. As this kills the wheat, a lot of it is still IN the wheat as harvested. Glyphosate causes a bunch of health problems.
2) Wheat gluten is low (essentially none) in Lysine – an essential amino acid. Used in making that important structural protein collagen. 30% of the protein in your body, per the wiki… (not to mention all the other good things washed out in the process of seitan, like vitamins, minerals…)
So not only are you NOT getting the essential amino acid you would get from Real Meat, but you are also getting a nice dose of glyphosate… Then there’ the whole question of impact on guy microbes, “wheat belly”, gut irritation and some folks being very gluten intolerant.
Oats & Breakfast Cereals
Roundup for Breakfast, Part 2: In New Tests, Weed Killer Found in All Kids’ Cereals Sampled
Findings Released as Major Scientific Study Shows Eating Organic Lowers Cancer RiskWASHINGTON – A second round of tests commissioned by the Environmental Working Group found the active ingredient in Monsanto’s Roundup weed killer in every sample of popular oat-based cereal and other oat-based food marketed to children. These test results fly in the face of claims by two companies, Quaker and General Mills, which have said there is no reason for concern. This is because, they say, their products meet the legal standards.
Yet almost all of the samples tested by EWG had residues of glyphosate at levels higher than what EWG scientists consider protective of children’s health with an adequate margin of safety. The EWG findings of a chemical identified as probably carcinogenic by the World Health Organization come on the heels of a major study published in JAMA Internal Medicine that found a significant reduction in cancer risk for individuals who ate a lot of organic food.
The tests detected glyphosate in all 28 samples of products made with conventionally grown oats. All but two of the 28 samples had levels of glyphosate above EWG’s health benchmark of 160 parts per billion, or ppb.
Products tested by Anresco Laboratories in San Francisco included 10 samples of different types of General Mills’ Cheerios and 18 samples of different Quaker brand products from PepsiCo, including instant oatmeal, breakfast cereal and snack bars. The highest level of glyphosate found by the lab was 2,837 ppb in Quaker Oatmeal Squares breakfast cereal, nearly 18 times higher than EWG’s children’s health benchmark.
New EWG Tests Find Glyphosate in All Cheerios and Quaker Oats Cereals Sampled
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Glyphosate, the most widely used herbicide in the world, is classified by the International Agency for Research on Cancer as “probably carcinogenic” to people. The IARC has steadfastly defended that decision despite ongoing attacks by Monsanto.
Almost enough to make me eat “Organic” foods… (after all these decades I still find using that term difficult, as ALL food is “organic” in the sense of Organic Chemistry and what they really mean is “free of synthetic pesticides and fertilizers” or “traditional biological” grown.)
So what’s the problem with Glyphosate, other than maybe a little cancer? Well, it’s something of an endocrine disruptor
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33131751/
Glyphosate and the key characteristics of an endocrine disruptor: A review
Juan P Muñoz 1, Tammy C Bleak 2, Gloria M Calaf 3
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PMID: 33131751 DOI: 10.1016/j.chemosphere.2020.128619Abstract
Glyphosate is a large-spectrum herbicide that was introduced on the market in 1974. Due to its important impact on the crop industry, it has been significantly diversified and expanded being considered the most successful herbicide in history. Currently, its massive use has led to a wide environmental diffusion and its human consumption through food products has made possible to detect it in urine, serum, and breast milk samples. Nevertheless, recent studies have questioned its safety and international agencies have conflicting opinions about its effects on human health, mainly as an endocrine-disrupting chemical (EDC) and its carcinogenic capacity. Here, we conduct a comprehensive review where we describe the most important findings of the glyphosate effects in the endocrine system and asses the mechanistic evidence to classify it as an EDC. We use as guideline the ten key characteristics (KCs) of EDC proposed in the expert consensus statement published in 2020 (La Merrill et al., 2020) and discuss the scopes of some epidemiological studies for the evaluation of glyphosate as possible EDC. We conclude that glyphosate satisfies at least 8 KCs of an EDC, however, prospective cohort studies are still needed to elucidate the real effects in the human endocrine system.Keywords: Endocrine disruptor; Glyphosate; Herbicide; Hormone.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2451943X20300399
Veterinary and Animal Science
Volume 10, December 2020, 100126
Veterinary and Animal Science
Glyphosate-based herbicide formulations and reproductive toxicity in animals
Author links open overlay panelZachery Ryan Jarrell 1, Muslah Uddin Ahammad, Andrew Parks BensonAbstract
The adoption of genetically engineered (GE) crops in agriculture has increased dramatically over the last few decades. Among the transgenic plants, those tolerant to the herbicide glyphosate are among the most common. Weed resistance to glyphosate-based herbicides (GBHs) has been on the rise, leading to increased herbicide applications. This, in turn, has led to increased glyphosate residues in feed. Although glyphosate has been considered to be generally safe to animal health, recent studies have shown that GBHs have potential to cause adverse effects in animal reproduction, including disruption of key regulatory enzymes in androgen synthesis, alteration of serum levels of estrogen and testosterone, damage to reproductive tissues and impairment of gametogenesis. This review emphasizes known effects of GBHs on reproductive health as well as the potential risk GBH residues pose to animal agriculture.
So, other than damaging your testosterone and estrogen levels and impairing sperm creation, no problem… er… But it must be fine for people because “You Are Not A Horse!”…
/snark;
Oh, and it might screw up following generations via changes in your gene expression (AMPA is a breakdown product of Glyphosate):
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fendo.2021.671991/full
The mechanisms of action of GBH and their metabolites are still under investigation, although recent findings have shown that they could comprise epigenetic modifications. These are reversible mechanisms linked to tissue-specific silencing of gene expression, genomic imprinting, and tumor growth. Particularly, glyphosate, GBH, and AMPA have been reported to produce changes in global DNA methylation, methylation of specific genes, histone modification, and differential expression of non-coding RNAs in human cells and rodents. Importantly, the epigenome could be heritable and could lead to disease long after the exposure has ended. This mini-review summarizes the epigenetic changes produced by glyphosate, GBHs, and AMPA in humans and rodents and proposes it as a potential mechanism of action through which these chemical compounds could alter body functions.
Perinatal means before birth and essentially may include when nursing. So this study is looking at male mice when Mama Mouse has some Glyphosate (Roundup).
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30785197/
Perinatal Exposure to Glyphosate and a Glyphosate-Based Herbicide Affect Spermatogenesis in Mice
Thu Ha Pham 1, Lohann Derian 1, Christine Kervarrec 1, Pierre-Yves Kernanec 1, Bernard Jégou 1, Fatima Smagulova 1, Aurore Gely-Pernot 1
PMID: 30785197 DOI: 10.1093/toxsci/kfz039
Abstract
Glyphosate is the most widely used herbicide in the world. Several studies have investigated the effects of glyphosate and glyphosate-based herbicides (GBHs) on male reproduction, but there is still little and conflicting evidence for its toxicity. In this study, we analyzed the effects of glyphosate, alone or in formula, on the male reproductive system. Pregnant mice were treated from E10.5 to 20 days postpartum by adding glyphosate or a GBH (Roundup 3 Plus) to their drinking water at 0.5 (the acceptable daily intake, ADI dose), 5 and 50 mg/kg/day. Male offspring derived from treated mice were sacrificed at 5, 20, and 35 days old (d.o.) and 8 months old (m.o.) for analysis. Our result showed that exposure to glyphosate, but not GBH, affects testis morphology in 20 d.o. and decrease serum testosterone concentrations in 35 d.o. males. We identified that the spermatozoa number decreased by 89% and 84% in 0.5 and 5 mg/kg/day of GBH and glyphosate groups, respectively. Moreover, the undifferentiated spermatogonia numbers were decreased by 60% in 5 mg/kg/day glyphosate group, which could be due to the alterations in the expression of genes involved in germ cell differentiation such as Sall4 and Nano3 and apoptosis as Bax and Bcl2. In 8 m.o. animals, a decreased testosterone level was observed in GBH groups. Our data demonstrate that glyphosate and GBHs could cause endocrine-disrupting effects on male reproduction at low doses. As glyphosate has effects at the ADI level, our data suggest that the current ADI for glyphosate could be overestimated.
So enjoy that “toast & oatmeal” breakfast… /sarc;
You might not have much else to enjoy. Might this explain the increase in “Soy Boys” in The West:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2305050015000305
Potential pathways of pesticide action on erectile function – A contributory factor in male infertility
Author links open overlay panelR.P. Kaur, V. Gupta, A.F. Christopher, P. Bansal
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The pesticide, Glyphosate is a known or likely potential cause of endocrine effects. There is already evidence that Glyphosate may act as an endocrine disruptor for both males and females by altering aromatase activity, estrogen regulated genes, and testosterone levels in rats however Roundup has been reported to act via different mechanisms. Roundup exposure during pregnancy and lactation at a level that did not induce maternal toxicity in Wistar rats nevertheless induced adverse reproductive effects in male offspring, including decreased daily sperm production during adulthood, increase in abnormal sperms, and low testosterone serum level at puberty.
[…]
Glyphosate reduces production of testosterone. At the very low, non-toxic concentration of 1 ppm, both Roundup and Glyphosate decreased testosterone level by 35%. It also inhibits production of other hormone. Previous studies indicated that most insecticides inhibit the non-specific esterase activity in leydig cells that, in turn, result in reduced testosterone production
Then, down in the References section:
E. Clair, R. Mesnage, C. Travert, G.E. Seralini
A glyphosate-based herbicide induces necrosis and apoptosis in mature rat testicular cells in vitro, and testosterone decrease at lower levels
Toxicol Vitro, 26 (2012), pp. 269-279
Not liking the word “necrosis” applied to “testicular cells”…
But hey, you can console yourself with some government approved “medicinal” cannabis and a nice Jelly Doughnut or natural oat snack bar… (Welcome to California Lifestyle…)
Musings from the Chiefio 
Fascinating yet horrifying.
Corn oil was dissed for a long time, then lately it’s supposedly the best seed-oil. It had been dissed so much that it’s not easy to find compared to all the others. Bottom line, who can truly say if those oils are good or bad….. Lately, instead of oil for frying, I just use (real) butter.
Thanks for the tip off. Where I come from in Western Australia the alarm was raised about the use of herbicides for ‘topping’ in 2016. The industry is conscious of the possibility of adverse publicity that could threaten export markets. Hopefully my morning rolled out porridge with a teaspoonful of ground shiraz grape seed, for its antioxidant value) is safe.
@Beng135:
There’s been 3 constants throughout the “Fats & Oils debate”:
1) Claimed benefits of “polyunsaturated oils” have evaporated under examination as it was always just an assumption from a theory that was wrong.
2) Presumed evil of saturated animal fats have evaporated under scrutiny as it too was always just an assumption. Especially in high temperature cooking like frying, saturated fats hold up a lot better and polyunsaturated fats make a lot of carcinogenic compounds as you approach / pass their lower smoke point.
3) Olive Oil (a mono-unsaturated oil) has consistently shown healthy results, both in testing and in population studies. Like “The Mediterranean Diet” showing longevity.
Butter, btw, is largely a very short chain saturated fat. The best combination you can get. Similarly, sheep & goat milk & cheeses have a very nice short chain fatty acid too and populations that eat a lot of them (north Italy for example) are also longevity hot spots.
Thus my preference for about a 50:50 mix of butter and olive oil in cooking. The mix works to higher temperatures than butter alone (raised smoke point) yet the taste stays buttery.
Coconut oil comes in at least 2 kinds. One touts being some combination of {natural organic holistic etc GreenSpeak} and has a strong enough coconut aroma / flavor that you can’t put it in some dishes without it saying “COCONUT” in the eating. I find it hard to work into things like, oh, frying an omelette… Coconut oil tends to froth when frying anyway… The other is more refined (coconut flavor / smell molecules removed) and can be treated like a neutral oil. It is hard to know which one you are buying until you open the jug. It is very good for various health issues (like inflammatory diseases) and in populations that historically used a lot of it (Pacific Islanders) showed a very high health status (essentially no heart disease and long life spans).
I’m still trying to find ways to work more coconut oil into my cooking.
For high temperature deep fat frying, tallow has a very high smoke point, does not rapidly degrade into “bad stuff” like unsaturated oils, and is a much healthier choice for that use. I’m not saying it is bad for any other use (pan frying, baking) just that nothing else works as well in the fryer. BUT it is so neutral a flavor as to be overly bland. Dull uninteresting french fries, for example. Fine in all respects, but lacking the “kick” from the fryer (that might be “the bad stuff” like acrylomides). Adding 10% of coconut oil, it makes a much tastier french fry but without the foaming and smoke point problems of pure coconut oil.
And that is another constant: Saturated Fats are much better AND healthier when frying things. Pan fried or deep fried or any other hot oil cooking. Unsaturated oils, especially polyunsaturated oils, ought to only be used in cold or cool uses like salad dressings and such. Baking is in between as most things never get above the steam point, so ‘anything goes’… but it is hard to beat butter, lard, or even tallow in some cases as a “shortening”. But avoid anything with the word hydrogenated and especially “partially hydrogenated” (due to the horrors of trans-fats).
By keeping in mind the “best use” for each class of fat / oil, you can avoid the constant “is too, is not, mine’s best, no it isn’t” oscillations of the Oil Wars… And by looking at the historically longevity hot spots and most healthy population diets you can filter out the crap claims.
Corn Oil may (or may not…) be “the best” seed oil, but all seed oils share the common problems of polyunsaturated fats in frying and high Omega-6 causing increased inflammation.
@Erl:
While there’s a growing list of nations where Glyphosate is banned, many have had on again off again bans (EU / Germany etc.) and it is in flux as the industry funds “studies” to say it is safe and the people push for food clean of it.
Unfortunately for you, Australia is one of the places still using LOTS of it and arguing over “does too / does not” medical issues.
There’s always controversy about food and health, but lately I’ve been looking into keto diet and cancer treatment. The advocates stress that cancer cells need sugar and starving them of sugar is an effective treatment.
@Beng135:
Combining Keto with Intermittent Fasting or the Fasting Mimicking (all eating in a 6 hour or less window – say 11 AM to 5 PM) diet works even better. A neighbor is doing that.
There’s also another food source for cancer cells, glutamine:
https://www.mskcc.org/news/beyond-sugar-what-cancer-cells-need-grow
so blocking it is also helpful. Either via the fast or via drugs. The drugs are given for a short window (since the rest of your cells need it too…) then back to normal. Repeat on a regular schedule.
There’s also potential with blocking glutathion but I think that isn’t worked out yet:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7600400/
FWIW, there’s a guess (less than a weak hypothesis) that the folks showing cure / recovery from stage 4 cancer by using fenbendazole https://fenbendazole.org/ or even Vit-I (ivermectin) might be via one of these pathways. But remember “you are not a horse!!!” it only cures cancer in animals as the Veterinarian who observed it shows…
Part of the reason why we get competing stories about foods/drugs/health is the poor use of statistics and the typically small samples (like the study cited above with only a few hundred participants, which means wide prediction intervals and low explanatory power; never mind that p-values are essentially meaningless). The only bad diet is the one that makes *you* sick, and teasing out what is really a cause for you may not mean it is a cause for someone else (Jack Sprat could eat no fat, his wife could eat no lean …).
@CDQuarles:
Absolutely! Then there’s the issue of what “a food” is over time.
Spelt becoming modern highly modified genetically different short stem wheat. Then natural wheat vs glyphosate soaked wheat.
Or the A1 type North American cow milk issues vs the cows that make a different form of the protein A2. (Cows had a mutation some hundreds to thousands of years ago in some dairy cattle…)
Sauerkraut transitioning from a fermented product full of microbes and their byproducts with health benefits into a vinegar cabbage pickle in a commercial jar…
Maybe no one enough to break anything, but the sum or product over time?…
So I can’t drink cow’s milk without “creaky joints” and arthritic hands, but goat milk is just dandy… unlike a lot of other folks…
Glyphosate is considered to be a Class-2 carcinogen in Australia, which means there are ‘suspicions’, but little proof of cause and effect. OTH alcohol is considered to be a Class-1 carcinogen (Proven link), so we had better prohibit all alcohol sales. ;)
On the topic of saturated fats, it is amazing how slowly the revision of ‘mistakes’ take place. Everyone knows spinach has high levels of iron. Somone got the decimal point in the wrong position more than 100 years ago so spinach actually has the same iron level as all the other vegetables. 2 out of 5 textbooks had the correct figure and 3 out of 5 had it wrong (too high – 10x)
Sometimes it needs “data archeology” too
“Records Found in Dusty Basement Undermine Decades of Dietary Advice”
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/records-found-in-dusty-basement-undermine-decades-of-dietary-advice/
@Another Ian:
The whole “fat vs heart disease” idea is just broken. I think I did a posting on this a few years ago… but there are some very good researchers who have done very good talks about an alternative mechanism (available on video at TED or EwTube IIRC). That mechanism was demonstrated in animal studies.
Basically heart and circulatory problems are sub-clinical shortage of Vit-C.
Not enough to give you scurvy, but enough that your arteries are slightly leaky. We (humans) adapted to the loss of the ability to make Vit-C by evolving a kind of glue-patch to plug up the leaks for a little while. So IF we had seasonal Vit-C supplies (think fruit & greens) we could make it through the shortage season with this patch. If constantly short of Vit-C, it makes plaque and you get artery disease.
Vit-C is used in the creation of collagen. It is like the strands are stapled together every so often and a Vit-C molecule gets consumed in the making of the staple. Too little Vit-C, it just skips a staple. Skip too many, you get weak collagen that starts to make leaky arteries. Way too little you get the spontaneous bruising and bleeding of Scurvy. But there’s a wide band between “right amount” and scurvy…
What they did:
Gorilla do not get atherosclerosis or heart disease the way people do, yet also lost the ability to make Vit-C. Their high leaf content diet provides about 6 grams Vit-C a day (roughly the same as 2 grams for a human as we weigh about 1/3 of a Gorilla ;-) (That’s one of those trendy units of measure, like water measured as Olympic swimming pools). So the researchers fed them a diet where they removed a lot of the Vit-C. Then the gorillas developed the same heart and circulatory diseases as humans.
Next, they took lab mice and inserted the human “patch” genes into them and removed their Vit-C making gene. Fed a standard mice diet, these mice also developed heart & circulatory disease similar to humans.
I think that’s about as definitive as you can get. Direct demonstration of the mechanism and how it works. The Primate Patch gene (whatever the proper name is) in the presence of prolonged sub-clinical Vit-C shortage results in atherosclerosis and heart disease.
Human Vit-C “guidelines” are based on “no scurvy” not on optimal health. We ought to be taking about 1 gram of Vit-C / 100 lbs or about 2 grams / 100 kilograms a day.
Want to end the lucrative Fat Wars & Diets, end the seed oil debate, put huge chunks of the Big Pharma business out of business, end the fixation on cholesterol and the related drugs and vastly reduce the big profits in heart surgery? Have folks take 2 grams of Vit-C daily (or eat a lot of leaves ;-)
Oh, one other side point:
Vit K (K2 in the stores) directs calcium into bones and not soft tissue. IF you are short of it, those glue patches fill up with calcium and become “hardening of the arteries”. To remove them (move the calcium back to the bones) take Vit-K2.
Or eat a lot of leaves and stuff with a lot of Vit-K in them…
as per the fat wars, it all started with Ancel Keyes? (sp) and Criscoe… i’ll drop some links later, if no one else has, right now i got to light a fire and start cofffee…. 18f this morning
See https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/ for a relevant post today from Dr. Kendrick. How much LDL cholesterol you have makes little difference.
so…. this is a rather long video at 140min. but it does cover most things….. worth a watch? i guess.
it does touch on ancel keys and initial funding for AHA coming from criscoe, could use more nuance though.
@em
per cooking oils….. per coconut, extra virgin or virgin implies stronger “coconut smell” brands like Luanne which don’t claim virginal status tends to be higher processed, and be neutral smell/taste. i’m guessing your perception of tallow tracks…. smart and final is prolly highly processed, my homebrew tallow…
well… i used a couple of different processes, batch “A” was just heat processed, and had a much more “tallow-y” smell, batch “b” was chemically rendered, meaning it soaked in vinegar for a week before heat, batch “b” had a way more neutral smell…. and i got a couple of very sensitive noses at my disposal….
any way batch “A” had a “Unami” quality to it, and made incredible French fries, batch “b” was better for soap/skin cream, not as good fries (but still pretty great).
in a month or so, i will do a side by side comparison of tallows
Found it. From 2018 https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2018/11/16/take-your-vit-c-to-reduce-cardiovascular-disease/
Speaking of Vit -C
This morning I was reading about MSG and of the few things that somewhat inhibit absorption of MSG, and Vit-C was one of them, along with Curcuma and Green tea and a few others.
They say that MSG does far more than cause headaches, that there is a link between MSG and diabetes, obesity and even a reduction in testosterone levels!
an excerpt,
” … … Vitamin C has been demonstrated as protective agent against some other MSG-induced toxicities including histological changes in oviduct of rats (172), hepatotoxicity (173), sperm toxicity (169), Obesity (174), and neurobehavioral changes in periadolescent rats (175). … …”
There is a lot more at ,
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7239414/
@canadian friend
i recently saw something that linked “MSG bad” to one particular dr.s letter, not even a study, that used only anecdotal evidence to say it was terrible, basically some patients had headaches and were sweaty after eating Chinese food.
….not saying you don’t have issues, just that it could be another example of “official guidelines” being off base for most people….
some problems with dietary salt/blood pressure have also come to light recently….
IIRC Bill Bryson in “The Body” mentions that “MSG bad” is on dubious grounds.
I could say ” peanuts bad” is on dubious grounds.
yet some people are so allergic they can die if they eat peanuts.
It is more complicated than MSG =bad, it is; some people ( maybe 5% of population ) have an intolerance to MSG and this is real as those people gain NOTHING from faking it or from making themselves sick.
A few years ago an article popped up on different media saying that we needed to look at MSG with new respect ( from the same people who brought us “Trump is a Russian Agent” , “Hydroxychloroquine is poison”, ” Ivermectin is only for horse and does help with Covid” and “Nick Sandman harassed an old Indian ” ) saying that MSG not only did not cause headaches but that it was racism that was behind this whole thing.
Yes Racism.
The article was saying or alluding to that white people – were so racist – that when they ate food prepared by an Asian, their racist-mind convinced themselves that those Asian had put something bad in food they were serving to whites…their racism was so strong that gave themselves a headache…
Imagine how desperate the MSG industry is to bribe journalists to write such garbage.
Need I explain that MSG is added to thousands of products? Chicken soup, Nacho chips, Brown Gravy, Sausages, Spaghetti sauce, not only found in Asian food?
Blaming the MSG thing on racism is supremely imbecilic.
But to the crooked people involved in that were killing two bird with one stone; -1- Repairing MSG’s bad reputation, -2- Spitting venom at their favorite target ( white people)
I could probably find that article on google.
It was about 6 or 7 years ago,
The people making BILLIONS of $$$ by adding MSG to the food they make to give it more flavor and sell more of it, are so desperate that they bribed journalists to invent stories of racism to explain MSG headaches…
They thought that was a brilliant trick but that does not explain the headaches caused by the MSG in soup, chips, gravy, etc etc
They have lied to us about cigarettes, teflon pans, cholesterol , margarine, covid-19, vaccines and about 50,000 other things, they would NEVER EVER lie about MSG ,right ?
It is easier and costs less money to simply add MSG to food than to go trough the trouble of preparing it with good ingredients that add real flavours,
they make Billion$ by adding MSG, they d never lie to keep making Billions right?
just as Pfizer or some other big pharma would never – EVER- lie to keep making Billion$ with vaccines , right ?
For decades I have seen resistance against accepting the fact that some people, not all people, some people do get headaches from MSG.
I am sorry if I sound angry or if I offend anyone but MSG deniers ( I just made up the term ) remind me of flat earthers; no matter the evidence , no matter the facts, no matter the logic, they reject it, dismiss it, nothing can change their mind.
We may as well say that we saw Elvis at the corner store.
Tucker/Alex Jones interview on foreseeing 911 and Globalists now full operational. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJji3_pD-VQ&ab_channel=AbsoluteHistory
“1) In the USA, the wheat is usually “dried off” by soaking it with glyphosate (Roundup) so that it all dries at the same time and can be harvested on an exact schedule. I.E. to be cheaper. As this kills the wheat, a lot of it is still IN the wheat as harvested. Glyphosate causes a bunch of health problems.”
This is very regional I think. Generally for wheat that is in humid climates. I grew up in North Central Montana which has a dry climate (dryland farming) and I don’t think any farmer uses roundup to dry the kernel. The optimum moisture content for long term wheat storage is 13% or so and my granddad would generally test before starting harvest in the AM. If there was dew, it might be until later in the day before harvest starts. Wheat in drier climates probably has little trouble being dried to the proper 13% moisture content.
I’m very skeptical about the amount of glyphosate in wheat in general and about “studies” regarding glyphosate and lawsuits. I’m more interested in “cui bono” and the recent purchases of farms by large interests. Given the push by the Globalists/GEB’s for a “Great Resest”, I’d be more inclined to believe this lawsuit and studies are intended to support consolidation of farm ownership than anything else.
SPRINGDALE, Ark. – Oct. 17, 2023 – Tyson Foods, Inc. (NYSE: TSN), one of the world’s largest food companies, has reached an agreement for a two-fold investment with Protix, the leading global insect ingredients company. The strategic investment will support the growth of the emerging insect ingredient industry and expand the use of insect ingredient solutions to create more efficient sustainable proteins and lipids for use in the global food system. The agreement combines Tyson Foods’ global scale, experience and network with Protix’s te
I wonder how many other food companies plan to use insects?
https://www.tysonfoods.com/news/news-releases/2023/10/tyson-foods-announces-partnership-protix-more-sustainable-protein
I, for one, have No Problem with Tyson growing insects and using them for food…
for their chickens…
BUT the only insects I will choose to eat are those that have converted into chicken or turkey “by the natural process”… i.e. digestion.
OK, so NOW we have to find all the dozen and one ways they will try to hide “BUGS” in the ingredient list of any packaged foods; so we know what to avoid… Or maybe I’ll just not buy anything from Tyson (or anything in a processed form…).
I already mostly do that. I mostly buy meat, birds, fish, eggs, milk(and other dairy), bread, canned fruits & vegetables, fresh fruits & vegetables, dry beans & rice, noodles, (salt, flour, pepper & spices), some nuts in bags or tubs.
There’s a little bit of processed stuff I buy. (Most of it, frankly, as “survival prep”). Some canned Alfredo sauce. A few salad dressings. Mustard, Mayo, Ketchup, BBQ Sauce. Potatoes Au Gratin in a box. Rice-A-Roni in a box. Mac&Cheese in a box. Saltine & Ritz crackers. Some Knorr “sides” in pouches that keep almost forever.
At that point I’m running out …
Oh, and in the freezer I usually keep a few Pot Pies “for those days”… so I’ll need to watch them. Or just make my own…
So of that list, I can maybe see someone trying to sneak in some “protein enrichment powder” into the “cheese sauces” or dry cheese powders in the boxes. Maybe some in the Chicken Pot Pies (though I buy an upscale brand). A remote possibility in the bread, but I think wheat will be cheaper than powdered bugs…
OK, not too much where I’ll need to spend 4 hours in the grocery store reading all the microtype on labels…
Hopefully this dies the same rapid death as the Fake Meat Burgers did…
Like the old Trix commercial, but “Bugs are for Birds!” and maybe fish farms ;-)
“The Doctor Will Kill You Now”
“Last night I was watching a lecture when the physician said “We’re seeing residents who couldn’t tell you which end is the head and which the tail [pancreas]. I’m hoping these remedial programs work.”
“What?!”, said I …
“Remedial medical education for a med school grad who’s been accepted into a respected residency program?!” So I looked into it for you.”
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1734160720558797193.html
https://www.smalldeadanimals.com/2023/12/12/the-doctor-will-kill-you-now-5/
This has links to that –
“Why Education Is NEVER To Set Policy”
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=250285
beththeserf, the Carlson-Alex Jones video was taken down by youtube, but is available here:
beng135,
Thank you, that was quick!
Something on topic from Dr Robert Malone.
Well Being: Eggs
We know that there is a huge difference in egg quality from laying hens that have access to better quality foods and forage. As much as our government would like to support the large egg producers, the truth is that small farms and “backyard” (at least from those hens that have access to pasture and better food) chicken eggs are healthier.
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Furthermore, the use of pesticides and herbicides in poultry foods used in the commercial poultry industry may have long term consequences for human health – something that has not been adequately studied. Although the effects of dietary exposure to glyphosate in the broiler hen diet has.
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These, and many more such studies with very similar results document that this is a serious issue that goes beyond the nutrients of egg composition.
Tips:
– Buy organic eggs. That is, eggs from hens fed an organic diet.
– Buy from a local producer, where you know the chickens have access to forage and sunlight.
– Start your own flock, where you can ensure organic feed, a mixed diet and access to sunlight, forage, bugs and space.
https://rwmalonemd.substack.com/p/well-being-eggs