W.O.O.D. – 9 May 2018

Intro

This is another of the W.O.O.D. series of semi-regular
Weekly Occasional Open Discussions.
(i.e. if I forget and skip one, no big)

Immediate prior one here:
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2018/04/27/w-o-o-d-26-april-2018/
and remains open for threads running there
(at least until the ‘several month’ auto-close of comments on stale threads).

Canonical list of old ones here:
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/category/w-o-o-d/

So use “Tips” for “Oooh, look at the interesting ponder thing!”
and “W.O.O.D” for “Did you see what just happened?! What did you think about it?”

What’s Going On?

History

This is Victory Day in Russia.

Victory Day is a holiday that commemorates the surrender of Nazi Germany in 1945. It was first inaugurated in the 16 republics of the Soviet Union, following the signing of the German Instrument of Surrender late in the evening on 8 May 1945 (after midnight, thus on 9 May Moscow Time). The Soviet government announced the victory early on 9 May after the signing ceremony in Berlin. Though the official inauguration occurred in 1945 the holiday became a non-labour day only in 1965 and only in certain Soviet republics.

In East Germany, 8 May was observed as “Liberation Day” from 1950 to 1966, and was celebrated again on the 40th anniversary in 1985. In 1975, a Soviet-style “Victory Day” was celebrated on 9 May. Since 2002, the German state of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern has observed a commemoration day known as the “Day of Liberation from National Socialism, and the End of the Second World War”

So looks like at least one German state recognizes it was a brand of Socialism from which they were liberated.

Watching RT is interesting. On the one hand, they are correct to point out that with some 26 Million dead, they did the heavy lifting in W.W.II especially against Germany. Claims that the USA was the major actor in Europe are clearly in error. Yes, my Dad did a LOT from landing in Normandy to ending in Germany, but we didn’t lose nearly so many soldiers nor field nearly so many tanks as the Soviet Union.

OTOH, the USA and UK didn’t just fight a 2 front war, we fought a 3 front war. Africa / Italy. France / Germany. Japan / Southeast Asia. Russia did little in the Pacific other than a mad dash into Northern Japan as it crumbled.

https://www.quora.com/Did-Russia-fight-Japan-in-World-War-II-If-so-how-significant-was-their-contribution

Andrew Warinner, Code monkey, expat, utility infielder
Answered Jun 15, 2016 · Author has 1.4k answers and 6.1m answer views

The Soviet Union and Japan had several “border incidents” around Nomonhan in Manchuria in 1939. These incidents cost the Soviets about 28,000 dead and wounded and the Japanese between 17,000 – 20,000 dead and wounded.

Looking strictly at the casualties, it would seem that the Red Army came off the worst, but it was mostly a draw. The fighting cooled the ardor or Imperial Japanese Army fire-eaters for a war with the Soviet Union and showed up Japan’s unpreparedness for mechanized warfare. It also convinced Soviet leaders that a war in the Far East with Japan could be a costly distraction.

So Japan and the Soviet Union did a deal: the Soviet-Japanese Neutrality Pact in 1941. The pact left Japan free to turn its attention on a war in the Pacific and the Soviet Union to focus on the looming threat of the Third Reich. After Stalin determined that Japan would be true to its word in late 1941, he was able to drawn down desperately needed troops in Siberia and feed them into fighting around Moscow where they helped stem the Wehrmacht tide.

As World War II ground on, Stalin saw an opportunity in the Far East to roll back the results of Russo-Japanese War and pick up the Sakhalin Peninsula, Port Arthur and give the Soviet Union a comfy buffer zone. That intersected neatly with the US’s main strategic worry: the Japanese Kwangtung Army in China and Manchuria, over a million IJA troops. If Japan decided to pull back in China, the troops could be fed into island garrisons across the Pacific or used to launch an assault on India from Burma.

In 1943 Stalin promised at the Tehran Conference to join the war against Japan after the defeat of Germany. He renewed his pledge at Yalta in 1944 and promised to do so two or three months after Germany’s defeat. Stalin terminated the Soviet-Japanese Neutrality Pact on April 5, 1945. At the Potsdam Conference in July 1945, Stalin promised to declare war on Japan in August 1945.

So I would assert that all three of the main Allied Powers did a huge job, just taking on different roles and major places of focus.

The Immortal Regiment:

RT is doing a very touching thing. They are having their staff members hold up a photo of an ancestor who fought in “The Great Patriotic War” of W.W.II, along with their names and a description of what each does / did. What is fascinating to me is that they have folks from all the Allied sides showing up. Polish army. British, American, and more. Along, of course, with a fair number of Russians / Soviets.

There’s something powerful about seeing photos of young military folks, with a caption of something like “Defended Stalingrad” or “Landed in Italy” or “shot down over Germany” or “Nurse in Britain”; the photo held by their children or grandchildren now working at RT as writers, cameramen, directors, lighting techs, etc. Makes me think about my own “Immortal Regiment”. Dad landing at Utah Beach somewhere around the 3rd day of the invasion; driving a “Deuce and a Half” truck off of an LST (big landing ship where the nose opens into a ramp)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Beach

The 4th Infantry Division landed 21,000 troops on Utah at the cost of only 197 casualties. Airborne troops arriving by parachute and glider numbered an additional 14,000 men, with 2,500 casualties. Around 700 men were lost in engineering units, 70th Tank Battalion, and seaborne vessels sunk by the enemy. German losses are unknown. Cherbourg was captured on June 26, but by this time the Germans had destroyed the port facilities, which were not brought back into full operation until September.

My Dad was a Combat Engineer and was involved with taking up land mines, booby traps, and also rebuilding Cherbourg. After the port was running, then his group headed toward Germany and mostly he blew up bridges or built bridges (as needed) all the way; along with more mine fields and booby traps.

So take just a moment to think of your ancestors or relatives who were involved in that great event. Whatever side, whatever uniform, whatever politics.

Weather

Coldest April EVER… but I’m sure will be told it’s the hottest ever. How can such bald faced lying be better illuminated? What can be done when the Trusted Guardians Of Truth turn out to be paid liars?

Iran

So Trump is going to try the same “in your grill” tactic that worked on North Korea with the religious fanatics of Iran. I doubt it will work. Too much arrogance in Iran. They believe their own Bull Shit too much.

Markets

Wobbly flat for a month and a half. Perhaps basing for a rise. I need to do a more in depth look now that it’s not just rolled over.

The Swamp

Mueller got spanked by a judge. One can hope things break loose now. I’m still waiting for the first Hillary indictment…

h/t H.R. for the link to this image:

Mueller gets Spanked

Global Trends

The House of Lords in the UK is trying to scuttle Brexit. Probably need a better understanding of what they are up to, and what it really means.

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About E.M.Smith

A technical managerial sort interested in things from Stonehenge to computer science. My present "hot buttons' are the mythology of Climate Change and ancient metrology; but things change...
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115 Responses to W.O.O.D. – 9 May 2018

  1. jdseanjd says:

    WWI, WWII, The French Revolution, back to the English Revolution 1640 – 1660, all were funded & provoked by Banksters, for profit & power.
    Book: Pawns in the Game, by William Guy Carr. 1955.
    Carr was a WWII Canadian naval intelligence officer who put 40 years of research into this & his other books. Banksters et al founded, funded & fostered both Fascism & Communism.
    The ancient strategy of Empire: divide & conquer, divide & rule.

    Book: The Creature From Jekyll Island, by G. Edward Griffin, a first rate researcher, writer & documentary film maker. Up to date to 2012 IIRC.
    ” The Most Blatant Scam Of History: The Banking Scam”
    The cause of wars, boom-bust cycles, inflation, depressions, prosperity.
    “A superb analysis. Be prepared for one heck of a journey through time and mind.”
    Ron Paul, member of Congress, House Banking Committee, Presidential candidate.
    Churchill arranged for the sinking of the Lusitania to drag US into WWI, etc etc.
    Griffin’s website: needtoknow.news

    Youtube &
    BILL STILL MONEY MASTERS 3.5 hrs but worth it.
    Youtube &
    All Wars Are Bankers Wars.

    Iran:
    Youtube &
    Riding a c90 through Iran
    an interesting perspective. 18 mins.

    John Doran.

  2. Gary says:

    E.M., I’m remembering my grandfather who, 100 years ago next month, sailed off to France as part of the 42nd Balloon Company of the American Expeditionary Force. Wouldn’t have been a WWII without a WWI — for a couple of reasons. Of the 4.7 million American men and women who served, only about 6,000 were assigned to 45 balloon companies in France. http://usafunithistory.com/PDF/30-49/42%20BALLOON%20CO.pdf

  3. Paul, Somerset says:

    Russia: the most reliable and enthusiastic ally Nazi Germany ever had. Provided indispensable facilities without which Germany could never have re-trained and re-armed between the Wars; supplied vast quantities of raw materials – whatever Germany asked for, Russia provided; they even opened a submarine base near Murmansk to allow U-boats to attack British shipping; and, of course, their people fought side-by-side in 1939 to crush Poland and western Ukraine.

    Communist parties all over Europe were loud and uncompromising in their support and congratulations for Hitler in 1939 and 1940, having been ordered by Moscow to condemn the war as an imperialist war. The French Communist party implored workers not to resist the Nazi invasion: it was a war, the Party claimed, on behalf of Anglo-French financiers.

    As a Brit, it sickens me to read Russian claims that they were in any way deserving of applause for their conduct in WW2. In 1940 Britain fought on, alone and penniless, not against Germany, but against the Germany-Russia pact. In retrospect it appears almost impossibly brave to have refused to seek peace terms at that time in those circumstances. Britain represented Europe’s last hope for the restoration of democracy, decency and civilization. That she faced such odds when having to decide whether to continue the struggle is something for which Russia should be for ever ashamed.

  4. philjourdan says:

    ” On the one hand, they are correct to point out that with some 26 Million dead, they did the heavy lifting in W.W.II especially against Germany. “

    I refer them to General George S. Patton: “No dumb b****** ever won a war by going out and dying for his country. He won it by making some other dumb b******* die for his country.”

  5. E.M.Smith says:

    @Phil,

    If you are going to quote someone, quote them:

    “No dumb bastard ever won a war by going out and dying for his country. He won it by making some other dumb bastard die for his country.”

    @Paul:

    Interesting POV. I’d often wondered how much “spin” was in Russian story about them just doing a deal with Germany over Poland as a ploy to buy time and get a buffer…

    I’d had this baseless suspicion it was one of those “started out as a nice hook up, then things went bad” kind of things…

    @Gary:

    I always have trouble when looking at W.W.I history. How so many lives could be ended, thrown into the mud, in the mad attempt to use mass charges (that work with swords and single shot muskets) against mechanized wall of lead destruction ( machine guns).

    I think I could have learned that lesson just testing the first machine gun my own side bought, and certainly by the time the first charge was cut down to nothing… But no… a few million later…

    @jdseanjd:

    Do you need instruction on how to embed links? Or just like the “go fish” aspect of search text tips?

    While I’m sure wars were fought partially to make money for some, gain power for a few: there were also other reasons are it would become hard to get a few million men to go die…

    Also be wary of a “on reason fits all” in any context. People are generally driven by multiple factors. Even some “Banksters” will have had patriotic urges or be cowed by political sticks and regulatory beatings…

  6. philjourdan says:

    I was unsure if the spam gremlins would deep six the post if it caught a curse word.

    But it got printed – by you anyway. :-)

  7. E.M.Smith says:

    I only have F bombs in the naughty list…

  8. Larry Ledwick says:

    Begin religious debate on systemd vs init in 3 – 2 – 1

    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/05/10/red_hat_systemd/

  9. Another Ian says:

    E.M. and others

    Thanks for the info on my reference problem. The Windows situation just is – for various reasons.

    One of them – at 76 and with the state of range science here I’m not likely to be adding many references. It would have been handy just now as we are having an infliction of a local variant of the spotted owl. The “latest scientific” justification for same is omitting about 40 years of woody vegetation research.

    Seems the dos emulator does run it ok, and I am being pointed at Endnote as reading the data. Not sure about the cross referencing categories – I’ll find that out when I try it.

    A Linux migration is highly likely when I get out from our current financial software – at real retirement most likely.

    One of those things that make life around a computer interesting. Our isp had someone plow a data cable. Somehow in there Firefox got mangled so it ran without screen display – needed Task Manager to turn it off. First go at downloading an English version ended up in Spanish. At least the English download picked up my bookmarks.

  10. Pouncer says:

    “How could so many lives be ended, thrown into the mud, in the mad attempt to use mass charges
    (that work with swords and single shot muskets) against mechanized walls of lead destruction ( machine guns) ? ”

    Worse than that. The mass charge against single shot muskets wasn’t exactly a reliably working tactic. As shown by both sides repeatedly during battles of the American Civil War. At which battles various European military officers observed, clocked durations, measured distances and counted rounds expended versus casualties incurred. The European observers noted the development of aerial observation and signal corps — balloons — and raced to the Old Country to lay seeds for the WWI air forces of zepplins and mass bombings of civilian targets and dropping of poison gas from the clouds… The Europeans saw ironclad steam ships slugging it out, holing each other and sinking with all hands of both sides … and again raced back home to start work on what would become tanks and armored cars — oh, and submarines that could lurk below visibility, sneak up on commercial ocean traffic, and send cargo, crews, and innocent passengers all to destruction with amazingly efficient economy. It was a war that INSPIRED war, as industry and innovation among some of the cleverest and most technologically regions of the planet was on open and measured display for every wanna-be empire of the 19th century. Everybody that watched seemed to ignore the horrors against humanity, to instead race home with the idea that THIS THING that they’d seen invented could be the edge and lets our side fight, and win, the last war, the next time.

  11. Another Ian says:

    E.M.

    For your economic analysis

    “We Don’t Need No Flaming Sparky Cars”

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/index.php/2018/05/09/we-dont-need-no-flaming-sparky-cars-3/

  12. jim2 says:

    I think EM should get on Forged in Fire and show us what he’s got :)

    https://www.history.com/shows/forged-in-fire

  13. jim2 says:

    @Another Ian says:

    Glad to hear you are up and running. Linux is free, you know. The DOS emulator will probably run just fine on it and you can still keep your Windoze box around for old times sake :)

  14. Another Ian says:

    Well at least I can access the files. Not sure about printing from Dosbox as yet.

  15. E.M.Smith says:

    @Pouncer:

    I’ve never understood the mindset of folks who send others to war. I can understand being forced into it against your will so doing what you must ( the old “If attacked, I will respond”) but how someone can stand there and say “Well, we lost 20% last week, let’s try it again this week but with more gusto and newer meat grinders! This time for sure!!”. Just insanity.

    @Another Ian:

    Glad to hear the Emulator path is working for you.

    Oh Geez… when current payables exceed all cash that’s a problem.. Wonder how much of that cash is deposits on future deliveries… One can only hope he’s got a stash of short term liquid bonds somewhere he can cash out in a hurry…

    The dumping all contractors thing is a common move of companies in cash trouble… The cash issues gets a “DING!” and the Exec looks over the budget & bills, sees “Contractors $Millions” and just sees cash out the door. Completely missing that those contractors are typically doing something critical to the company where it has no skill. Been at more than one company where the “All Contractors Must Go!” edict came down. Universally it was when they were going to miss their financials by a lot (often looking at a surprise loss, or someone needs a bonus…)

    Schwab was on the edge of a loss, so “All contractors must go!”… in their case about 20% of staff – they carried a lot just so they could do this and never post a loss… At Disney, it came down in the group I was in; just weeks before the entire department was outsourced to H1B visa holders & India… (later this was partly rescinded as it went to court…) New VP and all…

    So my read on this is that someone at Tesla had a money issue, looked at cash payable and took a big GULP! and kicked it up to an Executive who said “Damn… ‘All contractors must go!’ and we’ll get cash flow closer to balance while we deal with the damage next quarter and hope we get revenues up.”

    @Jim2:

    It’s been a long time since I made a tool or tempered a blade, so not going to make it to TV… at least not at a forge…

    @Larry:

    Oh Boy, more Devuan! I’ll need to pick a system to try 2.0 RC upon…

    Per SystemD: Did you read the comments? Universally excoriating! Glad I saw it coming BEFORE experiencing it and dodged the whole thing…

    each to his own

    It also became a crucial dependency for many software packages, locking people in.

    It’s going to take a while before I embrace anything with lock-in.
    […]
    No.

    Just no. The last thing I want an improved PID1 to have is more points of failure, and a larger surface for attack. I’m sticking with Slackware and the BSDs for many reasons, but a large one is the clusterfuck known as systemd.

    And yes, I have given it a fair look. Several times, in several incarnations. It’s ill conceived at best.
    […]
    Poettering still doesn’t get it… Pid 1 is for people wearing big boy pants.

    “And perhaps, in the process, you may warm up a bit more to the tool”

    Like from LNG to Dry Ice? and by tool does he mean Poettering or systemd?

    I love the fact that they aren’t trying to address the huge and legitimate issues with Systemd, while still plowing ahead adding more things we don’t want Systemd to touch into it’s ever expanding sprawl.

    The root of the issue with Systemd is the problems it causes, not the lack of “enhancements” initd offered. Replacing Init didn’t require the breaking changes and incompatibility induced by Poettering’s misguided handiwork. A clean init replacement would have made Big Linux more compatible with both it’s roots and the other parts of the broader Linux/BSD/Unix world. As a result of his belligerent incompetence, other peoples projects have had to be re-engineered, resulting in incompatibility, extra porting work, and security problems. In short were stuck cleaning up his mess, and the consequences of his security blunders

    A worthy Init replacement should have moved to compiled code and given us asynchronous startup, threading, etc, without senselessly re-writing basic command syntax or compatibility. Considering the importance of PID 1, it should have used a formal development process like the BSD world.

    Fedora needs to stop enabling his prima donna antics and stop letting him touch things until he admits his mistakes and attempts to fix them. The flame wars not going away till he does.
    […]
    Ahhh SystemD

    A solution that no one wants for problems no one has.
    […]
    Raise your hand if you’ve been completely locked out of a server or laptop (as in, break out the recovery media and settle down, it’ll be a while) because systemd:

    1.) Couldn’t raise a network interface

    2.) Farted and forgot the UUID for a disk, then refused to give a recovery shell

    3.) Decided an unimportant service (e.g. CUPS or avahi) was too critical to start before giving a login over SSH or locally, then that service stalls forever

    4.) Decided that no, you will not be network booting your server today. No way to recover and no debug information, just an interminable hang as it raises wrong network interfaces and waits for DHCP addresses that will never come.

    And lest the fun be restricted to startup, on shutdown systemd can quite happily hang forever doing things like stopping nonessential services, *with no timeout and no way to interrupt*. Then you have to Magic Sysreq the machine, except that sometimes secure servers don’t have that ability, at least not remotely. Cue data loss and general excitement.

    And that’s not even going into the fact that you need to *reboot the machine* to patch the *network enabled* and highly privileged systemd, or that it seems to have the attack surface of Jupiter.

    Upstart was better than this. SysV was better than this. Mac is better than this. Windows is better than this.

  16. E.M.Smith says:

    Oh Dear!

    ANOTHER “hits everyone on Intel / AMD chips” major bug / blunder:

    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/05/09/intel_amd_kernel_privilege_escalation_flaws/

    Every major OS maker misread Intel’s docs. Now their kernels can be hijacked or crashed
    Grab those patches while Chipzilla updates its manuals
    By Simon Sharwood and Chris Williams 9 May 2018 at 06:53

    Linux, Windows, macOS, FreeBSD, and some implementations of Xen have a design flaw that could allow attackers to, at best, crash Intel and AMD-powered computers.

    At worst, miscreants can, potentially, “gain access to sensitive memory information or control low-level operating system functions,” which is a fancy way of saying peek at kernel memory, or hijack the critical code running the machine.

    The vulnerabilities can be exploited by malware running on a computer, or a malicious logged-in user. Patches are now available to correct the near-industry-wide programming blunders.

    As detailed by CERT on Tuesday, the security cockup, labeled CVE-2018-8897, appears to have been caused by developers at Microsoft, Apple, and other organizations misunderstanding the way Intel and AMD processors handle one particular special exception.

    Indeed, CERT noted: “The error appears to be due to developer interpretation of existing documentation.” In other words, programmers misunderstood Intel and AMD’s manuals, which may not have been very clear.

    So once again glad I’ve moved onto ARM chips…

    Though the Mac I’ve got is an issue… but It’s used in very limited ways and low exposure to attack.

    The upshot is that, on Intel boxes, the user application can use POP SS and INT to exploit the above misunderstanding, and control the special pointer GSBASE in the interrupt handler. On AMD, the app can control GSBASE and the stack pointer. This can either be used to crash the kernel, by making it touch un-mapped memory, extract parts of protected kernel memory, or tweak its internal structures to knock over the system or joyride its operations.

    Any exploitation attempt is more likely to crash the kernel than cause any serious harm
    , we reckon. However, like Meltdown, as bugs go, it’s a little embarrassing for the industry, and it ought to be patched to be on the safe side.

    So if you start getting a lot of unexplained crashes, best to just shut down for a while and bore the attacker to death…

    Red Hat has patches ready to roll, as does Ubuntu, and Apple for macOS.

    The Linux kernel has also been fixed, way back on March 23, 2018. A patch is already present in versions 4.15.14, 4.14.31, 4.9.91, 4.4.125, plus older 4.1, 3.16, and 3.2 branches.

    Microsoft’s got it sorted, for Windows 7 through 10 and Windows Server 2008 through version 1803. Xen has patches for versions 4.6 through 4.10. VMware’s hypervisors aren’t at risk, but vCenter Server has a workaround and vSphere Integrated containers await a fix, but both are rated merely “potentially affected.”

    See the above CERT link for all affected vendors and their responses, and apply updates as necessary.

    So guess it’s time to check my kernel levels and maybe do an upgrade cycle… (Not needed on the AMC chip Pi boards. The Mac can not be upgraded as it is too old and too little memory; so maybe this is the Round Tuit to put Linux on it. Maybe I’ll just leave the Intel boxes in the corner where I put them about a year ago….)

    I do note that when EVERY software developer “misreads” the docs the same way, the Docs were certainly written wrongly / badly.

  17. Another Ian says:

    More Tesla headlines

    “Tesla “Model S” Battery Fire Kills Teenagers”

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/05/10/tesla-model-s-battery-fire-kills-teenagers/

  18. Another Ian says:

    Jim2

    “Glad to hear you are up and running. Linux is free, you know. The DOS emulator will probably run just fine on it and you can still keep your Windoze box around for old times sake :)”

    When you clean your boots you don’t leave the shit on them. The only thing Microsoft I’ve got left is W10.

  19. jdseanjd says:

    @ EM, I first came across “Pawns…” via Ted L. Gunderson’s video:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BplUD6kQYuU&t=396s
    Retired HEAD OF FBI Tells ALL ” Illuminati, Satanism, Pedophile Rings”
    1 hr 4 mins
    Gunderson, was head of LA FBI. When an honest man with such credentials references a book by a Canadian WWII naval intelligence officer, I reckon it’s worth a read. Gunderson was being poisoned with arsenic when he died of cancer. Griffin’s book developes similar themes with focus on the FED.

    I am amazed how closely Rothschild’s 1773 plan for world domination resembles UN Agenda 21,
    which is a plan for global domination behind the “green” cloak of environmentalism & “sustainable development.”

    I reckon things have progressed too far in the direction of control of the many by the few when 40% of global trade is dominated by just 147 international corporations, & 660 persons.
    Banks figure too heavily in the top 20 & top 50. Rockefellers now represent the Rothschild Bankster interests:
    http://www.journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0025995

    In case I’ve naffed up the link the paper can be seen via the “analysis” link on this article:
    http://www.shiftfrequency.com//147-companies-run-world/

    John Doran.

  20. H.R. says:

    Here we go! Ready to fish Florida ponds. Just needs an 8″ swivel-seat riser.
    https://www.basspro.com/shop/en/outcast-commander-frameless-pontoon?searchTerm=Outcast+Commander+Frameless+Pontoon

    Only 35 pounds, if I read that correctly, 85# if my eyes need recalibrating.

  21. E.M.Smith says:

    Looks like 35 to me: “weighs just 35 lbs.”

    They call it a pontoon boat, but it looks like a cross between a kayak and a canoe… Don’t know how much I like PVC…

  22. jim2 says:

    If a pontoon can inflate, it can deflate. Not a fan.

  23. H.R. says:

    I looked at that Outcast Commander more carefully and there is no floor in the front. Scratch that one.

  24. E.M.Smith says:

    Scratch the inflatables as a category for me…

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/animalia/wp/2018/05/08/a-bride-to-be-lost-her-arm-in-a-crocodile-attack-and-still-got-married-five-days-later/

    Ndlovu and Fox were on an adventure tour on the expansive Zambezi River, among the longest in Africa that feeds into Victoria Falls, when a crocodile broadsided their inflated canoe like a scaly, razor-tipped torpedo.

    She toppled into the river as the Nile crocodile held the canoe in its jaws, Adventure Zone tour company owner Brent Williamson told The Washington Post on Tuesday.

    Williamson, who co-led the tour, rushed to rescue Ndlovu from the water. The crocodile bit his canoe, puncturing the pontoon and sending him into the water alongside a guide trainee.

    Looks like gators can figure out how to get to the tasty bits on top of the floaty bits by biting… and deflating…

    So, OK, moving on to hard shell boats… at least in Gator Country…

    (Maybe a trailer isn’t so bad after all… 8-0

  25. jim2 says:

    I read a review on Amazon for one of the inflatable boats. Deflated without warning in the middle of a cold lake. It was the sixth use of the boat.

  26. E.M.Smith says:

    I think I’m going to end up with something like this…

    Add a 45 degree elbow upturn at the bow, maybe a bit longer pontoons for more stability and better load, and then put a ‘fence’ around the perimeter to tell gators not to think of it as a place to sun themselves…

    Well, it’s in my budget anyway ;-) And it doesn’t inflate… or deflate… or fit in my Subaru…

  27. philjourdan says:

    That is cool! Definitely thinking outside the box.

  28. catweazle666 says:

    “The mad attempt to use mass charges (that work with swords and single shot muskets) against mechanized wall of lead destruction ( machine guns)”

    Yes, machine guns are pretty lethal if you are stumbling along knee deep in mud and barbed wire, but in fact, the biggest killer in WWI was artillery.

    https://www.quora.com/What-weapon-caused-most-deaths-during-WW1

  29. catweazle666 says:

    That’s not “machines”, it’s “machine guns”.

    When’s this damn software going to get an editor, we are in the 21st century!

    Reply: Fixed it for you. No idea when WordPress will do anything. -E.M.Smith]

  30. H.R. says:

    This PVC kayak presents some interesting construction ideas.

    Then there’s this 1.4hp motor to power a PVC pontoon.

    https://www.amazon.com/4-stroke-Superior-Outboard-Inflatable-Fishing/dp/B079291Q62?psc=1&SubscriptionId=AKIAJQI4WMRX5G4E5LIQ&tag=phumocom-20

    And my brother-in-law has a nifty folding trailer that takes up very little room in his garage. It’s similar to this, but with a mesh deck.
    http://inflatableboatwarehouse.com/folding-trailer-t1180-4×8-1180lbs-gvw-black/

    I may just forget about a Florida boat and go the homemade route. I have room in my garage for all of that, trailer folded and the rest stored upright. My my 2-7/8 car garage has an 11′ ceiling. I never figured out why the builder didn’t make the garage 2.5′ wider so it would be a 3-car garage.

  31. ossqss says:

    Jon boats are very common in FL. Smaller ones are easy to handle and carry. Most will fit in a pickup truck bed easily. I used a 10′ unit and carried it in the back of the 4Runner for short distances with the hatch opened. The downside with small pontoons as shown would be anything but calm water. Interesting designs though ;-)

  32. jim2 says:

    The next step w/PVC pontoon boat is to make one that breaks down and assembles quickly (and securely).

  33. Another Ian says:

    E.M.

    SDA has just gone to WordPress. It now lets you edit a comment within a short time window.

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/

  34. jim2 says:

    Maybe angle iron and expanded metal mesh for floor sections?

  35. Larry Ledwick says:

    The interesting bit of trivia here on mass charges is that Hiram Maxim when he invented the modern machine gun intended it to end warfare by making it so lethal governments would resort to negotiation. He accomplished part of that mission he made frontal attacks so lethal that everyone reverted to trench warfare, but no one knew how to deal with hundreds of miles of trenches.

    The problem with the generals at that time is that they were rear area animals and really did not understand the realities in the field, the troops were just chess pieces on the board or symbols on a planning map. Unlike generals like Black Jack Pershing and Patton they did not lead from the front and the info they worked with was edited and sanitized or summarized by several layers of command before they ever saw it.

    More importantly though, they were caught in a trap, politically they could not avoid offensive operations, and tactically they had no other tools to break the trench warfare deadlock until the British brought out the tank and it took a while for them to figure out how to use it effectively.

    So for a while, they kept trying old tactics on bigger scale hoping that if they did a mass artillery barrage just a bit longer it would work, or they tried tunneling and setting off huge underground explosive charges to breach the line.

    https://www.quora.com/In-WWI-why-didnt-the-opposing-forces-tunnel-under-their-opponents-trenches-and-attack-from-the-rear

    http://magazine.cim.org/en/mining-lore/mining-warfare-in-wwi/

    http://michaeltfassbender.com/nonfiction/the-world-wars/big-picture/the-role-of-land-mines-in-world-war-i/

    They tried to break the dead lock with poison gas and mass artillery barrages which only reinforced the trench warfare and created deeper and more in depth trench systems. Air power was not sophisticated enough yet to really effectively attack the trenches yet, (large enough bomb loads and poor accuracy complicated by being no match for the dominance of the light fighters of the day.) Artillery was still mostly an area bombardment weapon, and the long preparatory bombardment campaigns just before attacks simply acted as announcements that an attack was coming and churned the battlefield into an impassible quagmire for the troops and was not particularly good at clearing barbwire, tangle foot and mines placed by the 10’s of thousands.

  36. jim2 says:

    Damn, LL. If only they had thought to load those artillery shells with smoke!

  37. jim2 says:

    The bipartisan bill introduced Thursday would prohibit federal agencies from requiring or requesting that firms “design or alter the security functions in its product or service to allow the surveillance of any user of such product or service, or to allow the physical search of such product” by the government.

    http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/387122-house-lawmakers-move-to-block-govt-from-ordering-digital-back-doors

  38. E.M.Smith says:

    @Another Ian:

    It’s open source Beta, has been for years, lists “200+” as the number of users, and looks like the install process is painful:
    https://wordpress.org/plugins/edit-comments/#installation

    And from the looks of what you must do, not available to the “free” folks only to those who have bought a license to the software and are using it on their own server (maybe… let’s just say I don’t have any of the paths mentioned nor even any way to see paths. I have a browser editor…)

    @H.R.:

    Yeah, that’s an interesting one. I’d want at least some strong mesh over the length of the “floor” area…

    @Jim2:

    In High School, me and a buddy made a pontoon raft. All fit in the back of a pickup and took about an hour to set up. 2 sheets plywood. 2 x 4 bracing on all edges and bolted together. 6 x 30 gallon barrels for the pontoons. (empty pesticide barrels… it was a different time ;-) They were held in place with 3 x guy wires each. 2 to the outside rail, one to the center rail. Just wire loops around the barrel, turnbuckles in the outer ones to adjust / tighten.

    Took it several miles down the Feather River, about 1/2 at night (something about a late start ;-) including unexpectedly needing to get out in 3 foot to 4 foot water and lift the pontoons over a fence across a shallow area and then hitting rapids with a tree angled from the center to shore … knocked 3 barrels loose on that plus another one, so ended up on a gravel island about 2 AM using rock hammers to re-curve the “hook-eyes” the cables connected with. (Note to self, next time use welded circles…)

    Had a great time playing Huck Fin and all. Now our parents would be arrested for “child endangerment” as we were not of draft-able age for at least another 6 months (at which time we could suddenly kill people and drive tanks with wild abandon…)

    So yeah, I have some ideas on making it portable and modular ;-)

    I’d only use metal if it was rust proof and light weight… Otherwise plastics are better. Wood too with the right finishes. Or various composites.

    Wonder if anyone makes aluminum mesh…

    Oh, and don’t hold your breath on that “no back doors” legislation…

    @Larry:

    Long history of folks thinking “THIS will make war too horrible!”.. and discovering that it’s already astoundingly horrible and the increment does nothing to the horrible part, just speeds up the process… Speaking of things never learned…

  39. jim2 says:

    Aluminum expanded metal sheet:

    https://www.metalsdepot.com/aluminum-products/aluminum-expanded-metal

    And use Al “angle iron.”

    My concern re take down/assembly is easy loading/unloading. Assemble it in the truck or even at the water. Disassemble when back home.

  40. Another Ian says:

    E.M. FYI

    I just spent several days in hospital and turned a tv set on for the first time in years (twice actually). Episode 2 of this was one of the watches.

    “The Celts: Blood, Iron and Sacrifice with Alice Roberts and Neil Oliver …
    Three-part documentary series in which anthropologist professor Alice Roberts and archaeologist Neil Oliver go in search of the Celts – one of the world’s most mysterious ancient civilisations.”

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06h7x5f

  41. E.M.Smith says:

    Interesting commercial product. $1155 for a one person pontoon w/ aluminum deck:

    http://expandacraft.com/product/wide-glide-paddlecat/

    Claims to break down into parts all of them light that fit in a sedan…

    Me? I’m thinking large diameter PVC pipe with smaller diameter “dowel and socket” alignment in the center (all glued and sealed / water tight) then sections each bolt up to the top frame AND you run a couple of compression cables fore to aft to assure the segments stay engaged… Think “pre-stressed concrete” design with tension cables and compression members… So have a tail cone and a nose piece that just clip / bolt on and then a tension cable down the middle. Like a 4 inch PVC pipe inside a 12 or 16 inch. Just tighten the cable so the “stack” engages the 4 inch protrusions into the matching lock rings. Apply end caps, and bolt to deck…

  42. E.M.Smith says:

    @Another Ian:

    Saw the icon for that on one of my {channels / services / apps / providers / whatever you call a Netflix, Amazon, Pluto…} but didn’t have time to check it out. I have a minor issue with their “tag line” in that we know where the Celts are. They are the French, Spanish, English, Irish, Canadians, Australians, and a goodly chunk of the Americans… Admittedly having mixed a fair amount along the way ( Celts being known for, um, “proclivities”… ) but there none the less.

    Maybe I’ll look it up again and check it out ;-)

  43. ossqss says:

    @EM, we made a similar 8×8 barge in my back yard several years back. It actually was my dock for some time, but was also mobile. We essentially made an 8’x8′ platform with 2×8’s and some 1″ plywood (PT). Under that we installed lids from around 20 – 5 gallon pickel buckets. Those were obtained from the Linger Lodge and had thick screw on green lids. Basically just screw the thick lids onto the bottom of the platform with a number of screws and then just screw on the buckets on to the lids. That thing was great fun with a piece of 2×12 mounted on the back for the trolling motor. Add a big cooler in the middle and 4 lawn chairs around the perimeter, and boom, party barge for fishing. BTW, it drove like a barge for certain. Spin, point and then move straight forward. There was no real steering that thing with all those buckets vertically mounted under it. That thing held up for about 10 years and was finally donated to the neighbors kids for further barge experimentation.

    It was formally known as the “Pickel Barge” by all the neighbors on my lake. I miss that thing now ;-)

  44. ossqss says:

    Dang mobile keyboard strikes again. That should say Lawn Chairs, but Pickel was how those buckets spelled pickle (cajun or something for branding) for the record.

  45. H.R. says:

    @E.M: I like that Expanacraft Wide Glide paddle craft. One of the pictures just below the main picture shows one with a really nice pedestal seat, motor mount, and a rod holder. It looks like it fills the bill.

    Honda makes an excellent 2.3hp motor. A few more flange mounted rod holders, some screwed on sections of aluminum angle to keep a cooler in place. A small folding bimini cover, and you’re good to go. I also like the 8 chambers. Odds are you could limp back to shore with one or two of of them compromised from an errant .357 mag bullet that missed a gator.

    I have room to transport that boat disassembled to Florida. I suppose it would transport in the truck OK with the end chambers removed. I dunno. I’ll be looking for more info on that baby and if any are available used. Gotta keep it cheap!

    P.S. Thanks to all who are pitching in with suggestions. Looks like the pickle bucket barge passed its sea trials or we wouldn’t be hearing the tale.

  46. ossqss says:

    @HR, indeed the barge never had any issues that impaired it. The wood sat up about 6-8″ out of the water and the buckets were mostly hidden from direct UV from the Sun most of the time while parked on the edge of the lake. In fact the most difficult time that was had was the day I launched her. We flipped it over into the lake and I proceeded to jump up and down on it for a few minutes to test it and the stability. It was very stable as I tested it. We also had cleats on the corners to tie down as needed. My buddy Dave, donor of the buckets, was holding the shore line and let it run out several feet while I was doing my happy test jumping. He then decided to test the cleat too by pulling it as hard as he could while I was in flight. Needless to say I did a half Gainer right into the lake! That SOB!! I do have VHS tape of the incident and will convert and post it on youtube when I find it. It was quite funny for the many folks who were in attendance. Me,,, not so much ;-)

    That was the day the Pickel/Pickle barge was christened and it never came out of the water for at least 10 years while I had it. It was by no means easily portable, but it did its job well.

  47. Alexander K says:

    Hi EM.
    My Dad served in both WWI and WWII, the first as a mounted trooper (NOT a cavalryman, just a trooper with transport, quick to to deploy and equally quick to depart over the nearest hill. This style of warfare was initiated by Boer farmers.
    He was ‘too young’ for WWI, turning 16 on the back of a horse in France and ‘too old’ for WWII, but fought in the Italian and North African campaigns as a machine gunner. My wife and I had a trip to Tuscany, one of the theatres in which he fought, and prior to our trip I researched the NZ effort. I was staggered by the enormous tonnage of MG ammunition that was used, all hauled in on roads built by the NZ Army engineers, as at that time, Italy had a road on each coast and the rest were mostly interconnected goat tracks.
    Dad would never talk much about the first war, but he reckoned the second was a ‘Cook’s tour’ by comparison, and entertained me for years on that topic. He survived both wars without a scratch, apart from from having something heavy dropped on his head from an upper deck on the return voyage from WWII.
    He retained a lifelong distaste for the British officer class from WWI and always insisted the Germans were correct in saying then that the Brits were ‘Lions led by donkeys’.

  48. E.M.Smith says:

    @ossqss:

    We figured our raft would support a Volkswagon. We had 3 people on it, and we could all walk to the same side and not have a problem. Even when we’d ripped a couple of barrels loose via speed / current impact on a tree (with limb stubs just at the water line to yank on the guys), we’d just paddle over and grab that barrel and put it on the raft. At one time we had 2 on the raft and one was rolling back and forth – one cable pulled loose but not yet free… Still worked fine.

    Figure each barrel was 32 gallons at 8 lbs / gallon ( the 1/4 going to barrel wt.) that’s 256 lbs. Then we had 6 of them. 1536 lbs. Even with 2 lost, we had 1024 lbs of lift. For maybe 500 lbs of people and 100 lbs max of boat. Still 400 lbs of extra… If all three of us went to one corner, we could almost get it near the water…

    We left it in the river, tided to shore, once we got to the target area, but by then it was about 4 or 5 AM, we were beat, and nobody wanted to take it apart. Plus the pickup was at the starting end and that would add another hour getting to it and back. So we decided to go home and sleep.

    When we returned 2 days later, it was gone. We figure someone else found it and went for a ride. Often wondered how long it lasted and who all got to play with it. I like to imagine a summer of dozens of kids playing Huck Finn down segments of the river… But we’ll never know.

    The barrels were free. The plywood was surplus from somewhere or other. We had to buy a couple of 2 x 4s and about $20 of hardware. Not much labor either (drill holes, put in bolts). So nobody lost sleep over a lost raft.

    I do think on it from time to time. There’s something about the first boat you ever make that makes it special…

    @H.R.:

    They have a couple of picture galleries, including one on fishing boat configurations. The overall impression I get is that you can assemble it as you like it. 2 or 3 or 4 pontoons. Whatever amount of decking you like. Just apply money for more parts. It also looks like when you buy, say, the Wide Glide Paddle, if you find 42 inches is too ‘tippy’ for you, you can just order a wider deck segment (or a 3rd pontoon if you need more than 500 lbs lift… i.e. more people).

    So it isn’t like if you buy a $1200 boat, and it isn’t wide enough, you blew $1200… just means you can spend another few hundred and make it into “more boat”… I like that.

    Also, at 500 lbs for 8 pontoon segments ( I think it’s 8) that’s 62.5 lbs / pontoon. I think you could lose up to 3 of them and still be OK getting back to port. That would be 312 lbs of buoyancy remaining. Allowing some for the boat and a little margin for not submerging the whole float, you still would have a couple of hundred+ left to hold your toes out of the water… and I don’t think I could hit 3 different pontoon segments shooting at one gator if I tried! ;-)

    Heck, I’m tempted just ’cause it would fit in my Subaru! (deck might need to go on the roof rack, I’m not sure what length it is). Just strap on a lawn chair and add an umbrella holder and I’m good to go (fishing…).

    @Alexander K:

    Near as I can tell, substantially every army has suffered from bad officers. At least up until the “Professional Soldier” came to the fore in the period after W.W.II. The idea that an aristocrat who mostly counted money and sucked up politically would know how to be an effective warrior was endemic in the era of Colonies. It was always a bad idea. Heck, even in the USA we had idiot leaders being stupid with troops, even recently. LBJ slowly ramping up force and methods, giving the opponents plenty of time to learn our methods and develop counters. Forbidding things that worked (bombing N. Viet Nam harbors). Even Obama with his appeasement strategy and giving back hard won gains for free…

    I believe I remember a similar statement about the Spanish and Italian armies from a couple of foreign language films. Mar del Plastico, IIRC, had such a remark (or maybe it was Ministry of Time…) that Spanish soldiers were excellent but were led by idiots… Then there’s the statement that we didn’t want to assassinate Hitler, despite several opportunities, as he was such an idiot about how he handled his forces, and replacement would do better(!). (“fight to the death” is a stupid strategy. Retreat and preserve your forces, then envelop and counter… Oh Well, it’s only Russian Winter, why worry?… )

    I suspect that the loss of colonists lives for Yet Another European War was a big factor in the dissolution of the British Empire…

    Were I President, I’d call in my Generals and Admirals and say “I want FOO to be accomplished. Let me know when you are ready and how you will do it.” When they returned and said “To defeat Isis in Syria will take BAR and we can start in 2 weeks, finishing in 2 years” I’d say “OK, go do it” and then stay out of their way. There is simply no way some political animal can ever know as much about warfare as a professional soldier; and we do now have professional soldiers.

  49. Another Ian says:

    Re the Hawaiian eruption – brilliant IMO

    “B A Deplorable Rupertslander
    May 11, 2018 at 12:54 am

    Hawaii obviously needs a lava tax. That’ll stop it for sure because the science has been settled.”

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/index.php/2018/05/11/your-moral-and-intellectual-superiors-12/#comment-

    Check other comments too

  50. Rhoda Klapp says:

    The kind of officers who come to the fore in peacetime are not the ones you want for a war. They have to be got rid of, and that process seems to involve them being defeated and sacked.

    Hitler overruled his general staff to conquer how many countries? In order, from memory, Poland, Denmark, Norway, Holland, Belgium, Luxembourg, France, Yugoslavia, Greece and Crete. Later on his hubris got the better of him but why not reject the advice of generals who had given him bad advice in the successful times?

    Wellington never served at a lower rank than Colonel. He bought his commission. Turned out OK.

    To sum up, military history has a counter-example for every example.

  51. Alexander K says:

    EM, I agree with much of what you write, but your surmise about the dissolution of the British Empire is a tad skewed – The Brits saw the European Common Market as the entity to belong to and thus end all European wars and shedding the old Empire was the price that had to be paid.. I am in my late seventies now, and can remember attending a meeting held in our town by then NZ Prime Minister John Marshall in the early 1960s, who was attempting to explain to an angry populace why the Mother Country had just cancelled our British citizenship. We were stunned and hurt as a nation that all of us ‘Colonials’ who had, up to that time prided ourselves on our British heritage and identity, were being shunned. This general shunning included Australians, Canadians, South Africans and others, but for reasons that only much later become clear. did not include Afro-Caribbeans.
    Many of my father’s family had emigrated from Yorkshire in the late 19th century but continued to see England as ‘Home’, whole villages in the UK were emptied in the flood of emigration. Various branches of our family had opted to settle in Canada, Australia and the USA – this branch left Yorkshire in the late 16th century.
    My mothers family hailed from the Highlands of Scotland and they were part of a diaspora which followed the Highland Clearances in which English landowners of Highland estates preferred sheep on the their land to the large and warlike native clans whose major industry was fighting.
    Each new military ‘adventure’ which members of the British Empire saw as their patriotic duty to be a part of cost us and our cousins from far from outposts of the empire dearly. Every family in NZ with ties to ‘the old country’ lost family members in every ‘adventure’ from the Boer war on – my older brother lost his life piloting a De Haviland Mosquito fighter bomber as a member of the Pathfinder squadron that flew ahead of the big bombing raids over Germany to drop marker flares on targets, then flew back through the aftermath of each raid to make photographic records of the damage. It is interesting to visit cenotaphs in little whistlestop towns all over NZ to read the remarkable number of names of ‘the fallen’inscribed. In WWI, NZ lost a bigger proportion of our population of young men than any other Commonwealth country, including the UK.
    After retiring from teaching in NZ and while enjoying a last hurrah as a teacher in high schools in outer London, I was shocked to find the current generation of young Brits have no idea that the majority of the troops from the Empire who fought in both World Wars were, in fact, British. It has been fashionable in the UK for some years to see us Colonials as bad people for treading on the human rights and aspirations of ‘our natives’ and wrecking the lives of noble savages, but that is another topic entirely.
    I was also shocked to find that the huge efforts and real sacrifices my mother and her generation of Kiwi women made during the austerity of wartime and postwar food rationing, to send food parcels to the UK, had almost completely been airbrushed out of UK history.

  52. Another Ian says:

    Re Rhoda Klapp says:
    11 May 2018 at 8:32 am

    “The kind of officers who come to the fore in peacetime are not the ones you want for a war. They have to be got rid of, and that process seems to involve them being defeated and sacked. ”

    Mentioned early in R.V. Jones “Most Secret War”

    Some other pungent comment around this area (and others) in Neville Shute Norway’s “Slide Rule”. He was by training an aeronautical engineer . Better known as Neville Shute the novelist.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevil_Shute

    Re Wellington – from that unpromising start he never lost a battle. On the other hand at the time of Waterloo the description of the English cavalry was “the best in the world and the worst lead” which didn’t really help there.

    Bernard Cornwell’s Sharpe series is woven around Wellington’s career – except the last where he weaves in Admiral Thomas Cochrane. . They’re better read in order.. There is a separate one on Waterloo without Sharpe.

  53. Rhoda Klapp says:

    OTOH, Hugh Dowding, head of Fighter Command had in peacetime appointments encouraged the development of radar and fighters and the first integrated air defence system. Nobody else had anything like the setup which enabled him to win the Battle of Britain. Within weeks of winning he was made a Lord and got rid of as a result of inter-RAF political plotting. There are few examples of general officers making peacetime changes which work out to be war-winning. Guderian is another. Any more?

  54. ossqss says:

    Just remember, it is not just Gators and Sharks you have to keep an eye on in Florida waters. The higher the gunwale the better ;-)

    Then theres this from my backyard…… posting from mobile, so hope I get it right the first time

    http://www.bradenton.com/news/local/article203792974.html

  55. philjourdan says:

    @ossqss – Re: manatee – That looks more like being “loved’ than eaten! But I guess if they swamp your boat, it is not so much fun any more.

  56. ossqss says:

    @phil, the moral of the story is not to use “Barney” colored Kayak’s around Manatee’s ;-)

    PS, or dark green Kayaks around big Gators , in particular during mating season.

  57. philjourdan says:

    So that is what barney is! A land loving Manatee! :-)

  58. Steve C says:

    @Alexander K – I hope you understand that most Brits (i.e. the British people as we were before the forced admixture of multicoloured aliens, and absolutely not including politicians) are entirely in sympathy with, and share, your feelings of outrage at the way we were simply “decoupled” from the Commonwealth and shoved into the EU. There is still a deep feeling among those of us old enough to have memories of Britain that we were sold out, although, of course, to those who have grown up in the multikulti dystopia of modern Britain, this is “normal”. There is slight consolation in the fact that the young, perhaps even more than we oldies, are fully aware that not one word spoken by a politician will ever reflect the interests of the people they “represent” – their cynicism is 100%.

    FWIW, we’re also pissed off right now at the crappy way May is just selling us out wholesale in her EU capitulations, sorry, negotiations. Reclaim our territorial waters? Not, apparently, important, except to those silly little fishermen (who are nearly extinct anyway). That the European Court should be allowed to stick its great ugly Code Napoleon spanner into our common law legal system? Why not? Give the aliens swarming around our country more rights than the bl–dy people whose country they’re stealing? But of course! You can see why they staged Skripal, just to take some of the attention off the traitorous selling out – and selling off, in the case of things like our much-loved NHS – of the country. The ever-compliant media will paint their filthy actions as heroics, they know that, so fork the people and full steam ahead.

    Incidentally, dunno whether all has gone quiet on Skripal everywhere else, but it certainly has in British media. It seems to be established now that the UK Gov slapped a “D-Notice” on the media the moment they mentioned one (ahem) “P@bl0 M!ller”, who apparently recruited Skripal into MI6 and was his handler. Can’t have public discussion of serving secret agents! A couple of articles about it on TruePublica (not a bad site) on May 5th and May 10th give a fair outline of the censorship.

    Incidentally, for those puzzled about how the current alien invasion of all Europe got started, look up, if you haven’t, the Coudenhove-Kalergi Plan – there’s plenty online about it. What it amounts to is the genocide of white Europeans and their culture, and their replacement with a rabble of mixed-race slaves with no culture beyond the commercial. Read the list of the traitors who have won the prize and weep. I only have to look out of the window to see it in action.

    Just out of interest, I checked the first dozen people I saw when I went shopping in town this morning. Eleven were aliens. The twelfth was a young white woman of the “fat slag” variety, running after a black bloke who was striding down the road like the cock of the rock. (And why wouldn’t he? He’s probably been indoctrinated into thinking he is righteously punishing the old slave masters by taking their country and screwing their women – for whom his obvious contempt will be even greater than for native English men.) When you hear Brits saying that this is no longer their country, that’s the sort of experience – daily experience – behind the claim. And, unlike criminals, we’re not armed. Unlike us, too many of the aliens disregard inconvenient little “local laws” like that, and get away with no more than a telling-off when they tell the police “but this is our culture”. I don’t think that those who predict the end of Western civilisation are far out, unless we suddenly develop a very effective cure for traitorous globalist scum.

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  60. Steve C says:

    @E.M. – You’ve got some sort of crosstalk. There are already two “comments” / pingbacks from “Boats – Some A…” on this thread and 9500-y-o city …

  61. David A says:

    Trump often reminds me of G. Patton; quoted earlier in this thread. So I looked up photos of Patton’s at his military graduation and a young Donald Trump. Except for Trumps long hair they were very similar, almost twin like- lips, nose, almond eye shape, eye brows, even ears, although that is harder to say as Trump had longer hair covering most of his ears.

    Perhaps George reincarnated.

  62. David A says:

    Not the best two images I found but not bad.

  63. E.M.Smith says:

    @Steve C:

    That happens when I include a link back to one of my own articles in a new article. It is perfectly normal. Usually I let them sit in “moderation” for a few days so folks don’t see them. Sometimes I don’t…

    So look in the boat article, you will find a link to a comment in THIS article, and that’s the pingback above.

    @Larry:

    I have a friend who helps students in robot competitions. Retired from HP as a top end coder… I fully expect to hear that his kids have just created SkyNet and a robot that is unstoppable “soon”…

    @David A:

    One need not be reincarnated to be an admirer… just sayin’… Trump went to military school…

    To the extent there is a genetic component, well, we have Baron to look forward too…

    @Steve C & Alexander K:

    I have more on the topic of colonialists, but at the moment I’m working on some Sake and Sushi dinner with emphasis on the Sake… so it has to wait. I’ll just point out that different colonies had different experiences. The USA cut the cord in 1776… and in W.W.II the British were shocked when something like 16,000 soldiers from India had 14,000 captured and swapped sides to fight for the Japanese… Not all colonies were populated by Brits… (Me? Mixed mutt. Mum straight from England, Dad an Irish/ German Amish mix with no love lost for the UK and their treatment of Irish…

  64. Another Ian says:

    “I, For One, Welcome Our New Self-Driving Overlords”

    “Over the last two years, researchers in China and the United States have begun demonstrating that they can send hidden commands that are undetectable to the human ear to Apple’s Siri, Amazon’s Alexa and Google’s Assistant. Inside university labs, the researchers have been able to secretly activate the artificial intelligence systems on smartphones and smart speakers, making them dial phone numbers or open websites. In the wrong hands, the technology could be used to unlock doors, wire money or buy stuff online — simply with music playing over the radio.”

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/index.php/2018/05/11/i-for-one-welcome-our-new-self-driving-overlords-8/

    Still want one?

  65. Alexander K says:

    @ Steve C,
    Your comments are pretty much the way I saw things in the near-decade we worked and traveled in the UK between 2002 and 2012.
    An incident that occurred in a comprehensive school in which I was head of art and design for a few years was very illuminating. I had occasion to keep a fifteen-year-old boy of Pakisatani descent, who only spoke the most rudimentary English, back at morning break to discuss his extreme anti-social and violent behaviour. At the close of my homily, he glared at me and said ‘Why did you come to my country anyway?’
    Kinda encapsulated the situation in the UK nicely for me.
    A Cockney taxi driver who was ferrying my wife and I to a distant railway station early one morning pricked up his ears when he heard our Kiwi accents. Without any preamble he said ” Our government shit all over you Kiwis back in the ’60’s” Somewhat indelicate, but nicely put!
    @ EM
    New Zealand only had a veneer of Britishnesss as it was settled by nationalities from all over Europe, most of whom found it practical to Anglicize their surnames during WWI due to the rise of quite violent Jingoism toward anyone who ‘spoke funny’. My wife’s mother’s family came from a group who fled Prussia in the 19th century and founded a settlement in the South Island, and one can find similar settlements all over NZ where groups of settlers had come from places such as Bohemia, Austria, The Netherlands, Denmark, Norway, etc. Many settlers during that period were moving away from religious and political unrest. Many of my early schoolmates and their families came from backgrounds that reflected that diversity of nationalities.
    Even Yankee whalers had an input during the very early days of British rule – Hone Heke, the young Northern Chief who led war parties to fell the flagpole in the British settlement of Korerareka (now Russel) and burn some of the taverns and brothels on the foreshore down flew the then-current version of the Stars and Stripes from the stern of his waka (canoe). The Brits hushed that up very quickly as they were worried about ‘international incidents’ and everyone else in the settlement saw the incident as a good thing in general and went on with their business of the day.

  66. Steve C says:

    @E.M. – Ah, I see. Not so much crosstalk, more that you’d actually plugged them across. (Steve’s Recording Studio analogy for the digital age!) I did wonder, but thought it as well to mention it ‘just in case’.

    Re “mixed” vs “purebred” societies, as I implied with my mention of the young, I suspect that anyone’s concept of “normality” is strongly based on what they experienced as a child. For you, the US was already a melting pot, and I’d guess that California and Mexico have had “issues” to some degree ever since California was Mexico. In my case, OTOH, in the fifties and sixties I was growing up in an English cultured, white society, as England was then, and that was it. Non-white = alien. That easy.

    I’m not saying that it was a perfect society, God wot, we still had monsters like Ian Brady and Myra Hindley (60s child murderers), the Great Train robbers (“Kill the driver! No-one is innocent!”), the Kray twins terrorising the London underworld (but, note, only the underworld), and many more. But society as a whole was more cohesive because we all shared some form of British culture, whatever exactly that is. It probably helped that the adults then were not long out of fighting WWII, and generally tended to act “sensibly”; on the downside, it probably gave them too much respect for authority, which has led to where we are now.

    Now, in our multikulti wonderland, the hatreds and gang warfare of the world are taking root in British cities, declaring zones which are, simply, not safe places for white Brits to venture, overloading our ability to bring the situation under control even as the government imposes “austerity” on the forces which might do so. If you grew up in a world where there were differences but, hey, you rub along with the others because you do, kids in UK21 are growing up in a world of hatreds in which they are told that if they “think positive” everything will be OK, even if that alien with attitude did hold them up at knifepoint last week and steal their iPhone.

    And those hostile gangs nesting in out cities will never assimilate into British society, because they live half their lives online, chatting daily with the folks at home to keep their hatreds hot. They have their own “supermarkets” to get their food and an agenda which often seems to be little more than slagging off and stealing from the natives, while helping themselves freely to “their human rights” (i.e. the housing, welfare and other services we natives had built up for our children and our own old age). They have no interest at all in the host culture.

    They profane and prostiitute our children (Remember Rotherham? Look around the recent news from Telford, even bigger) and degrade our country, enabled and encouraged by insane legislation imposed by a succession of governments committed to the globalist doctrine. This is not a society of different cultures which have some sort of tolerance of one another. It is now a fractured society whose government does all it can to break it still further.

    Don’t get me wrong – carefully blend similar cultures and you can get quite astonishing results. I used to work at a Steiner school, where several of the staff were near-European and several of the families were Anglo-German, Anglo-French, etc., with polyglot children. Occasionally, at playtime, you’d walk around the playground and hear some of these polyglot children chatting among themselves, and it was delightful. They would, typically, talk in all three languages at once (!) – you’d hear sentences which started in English, or German, or French, rambled freely through all the languages they had and every kid there understood (unlike the average passing adult!). If politicians really wanted “to prevent war in Europe”, they could do a lot worse than employing only these kids to sort out the mess. That, in fact, sounds a lot more like you and the ethnically Spanish kids … ;-)

    While I’m here, thanks for the point you made about the Great Circle alignments being likely to be just navigational. With a navigational experience of zero, that explanation really hadn’t occurred to me. Still be nice to know nore about the folk who did it … “pre”-history must have been a *lot* more interesting than what we’re led to believe.

    @Alexander K – Wow. Yes. That Pakistani kid’s effrontery is exactly the bad attitude we get routinely. I was chatting with a shopkeeper (of Indian extraction, FWIW) the other week when some half-caste youth strolled into the shop and, without a pause, said in a loud voice – over our conversation – “That’s racist!”. (The shopkeeper and I looked at each other, wondering what he’d imagined he heard, shrugged and shut up until he left.) There are snowflakes on hair triggers all around us, and I want a flamethrower. Very pleasing to hear, though, that your Cockney taxi driver was One Of Us. We’re not quite extinct yet.

  67. Larry Ledwick says:

    What they have accomplished is to Balkanize Britain, and turn it into a bunch of sub groups at uneasy peace (or low tempo war) with each other, just waiting for the spark to set off something like Bosnia and Sarajevo. Sarajevo was the jewel of the Balkans when they hosted the Olympics and just a short few years later they were engaged with medieval siege warfare using modern weapons rather than trebuchets and archers.

    As an outsider from across the pond I don’t see any “civilized” solution to what the globalists have done to Europe, and more troubling is I suspect that that was exactly the intended out come.

    For cultures to peacefully coexist they must share a few base line social norms. When the only social norm shared by two cultures is that they both walk upright, you have a problem.

  68. E.M.Smith says:

    I don’t know if he idea was “mix them all up so they learn to get along” or “mix them all up so they fight and ‘we the rulers’ can more easily control them”. In any case, it’s a mess.

    The America of pre ’70s (roughly) was one of assimilation. The America of now, not so much. The new Hispanic immigrants have little interest in “becoming American” and a lot of interest in bringing Spanish & their cultural “values” with them. Similarly the “refugees” from the Middle East hate “American values” and norms.

    I find myself hoping Europe blows up into open culture wars & riots enough to make the point that it doesn’t end well, so the parts of the world less far along can stop now…

    We’ll see. The world will become what it will.

    Besides, I expect a major war will focus people… The world has rarely gone a generation without a massive conflict in Eurasia.

  69. H.R. says:

    I forgot about Elon Musk’s Boring Company. Does anyone think tunnels in L.A. are a good idea? At some point, even a minor quake is going to misalign a tunnel, and Murphy’s law says it will happen while a train is coming. The environmentalists are up in arms about the project.
    http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-musk-tunnel-boring-la-20180511-story.html

  70. Another Ian says:

    More Mueller

    CASTING A WIDE NET: Mueller Indicted A Russian Company That Didn’t Even Exist, Court Transcripts Say

    The investigation’s in the very best of hands.”

    Link at

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/index.php/2018/05/13/when-the-fbi-does-it-that-means-that-its-not-illegal-21/

  71. Another Ian says:

    And the comments are interesting too

  72. After the African superhero film, it seems a Muslim superhero is planned….
    http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-44111442

  73. Larry Ledwick says:

    They have gone to red alert for the Kilauea volcanic eruption.

    http://kdvr.com/2018/05/15/red-warning-issued-for-kilauea-volcano-in-hawaii/

  74. E.M.Smith says:

    @Larry:

    One of the joys of the Roku is all the local news. One of the local news channels I’ve got available is from Hawaii. I’ve watched it a few times during this volcano event. Much more detailed (and clueful) coverage. Things like: They KNOW it’s just the one subdivision in the place everyone knows gets lava. They KNOW the main crater can get going, so nobody lives up there. They have volcano coverage in with how it affects traffic and the commute ;-)

    Last count I heard was 17 fissures draining lava out the side toward the ocean, then the worry of water intrusion into the main crater as the pressure and level drops. Hope it doesn’t mess up the telescopes on the next volcano over ;-)

    It would be real fun to be on that one watching the other blow….

  75. A C Osborn says:

    E M what is shocking is when you see overhead views of the volcano the current “eruption” is from a relatively small hole, the original caldera is absolutley massive by comparison.
    That must have been a spectacular Volcano when it originally erupted.
    The fissures are doing a good job of releasing the pressure at the moment.

  76. Larry Ledwick says:

    Things might be about to get interesting:
    From twitter
    Paul Sperry
    ‏@paulsperry_
    7 minutes ago
    BREAKING: IG Horowitz has found “reasonable grounds” for believing there has been a violation of federal criminal law in the FBI/DOJ’s handling of the Clinton investigation/s and has referred his findings of potential criminal misconduct to Huber for possible criminal prosecution

  77. Another Ian says:

    Lunatics and asylum?

    “Burn coal not wood if you care about the climate”

    http://joannenova.com.au/2018/05/burn-coal-not-wood-if-you-care-about-the-climate/#more-58827

  78. H.R. says:

    @Another Ian: I think you just revealed the plot for the next movie to be set in a not-too-distant dystopia. It will be titled When Tree Huggers Meet Coal Haters.”

    It will be full of epic battle scenes where the only weapons are crossbow-like, now-useless-smartphone launchers. Everybody rides around on Mad Max skateboards and wears pink or green pussy hats, depending on which army they are in.

    The movie ends with the sole survivors – the transgender hero and his transgender love interest – contemplating which bathroom to use and how in the heck they are going to repopulate the world.

  79. Another Ian says:

    Now this IS calling it

    “Do. Not. Blink.”

    “Alberta UCP leader Jason Kenney is standing by comments he made about Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, including calling him an “empty trust-fund millionaire who has the political depth of a finger bowl.” Kenney went on to say Trudeau is “one of the worst prime ministers for Alberta in our history.” ”

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/index.php/2018/05/18/do-not-blink/#comments

    As is Rex Murphy in the link at

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/index.php/2018/05/18/do-not-blink/#comment-1114644

  80. beththeserf says:

    There is only one good leader at any compass point of the globe at
    this present time – T-R-U-M-P. Swamps to the right of us, swamps certainly
    to the left !

  81. Jon K says:

    @ H.R.
    Sounds like you have a good pitch for a Netflix original ;)

  82. jim2 says:

    Intellectual Dark Web, links with info in the article … from the article:

    “Here are some things that you will hear when you sit down to dinner with the vanguard of the Intellectual Dark Web: There are fundamental biological differences between men and women. Free speech is under siege. Identity politics is a toxic ideology that is tearing American society apart. And we’re in a dangerous place if these ideas are considered “dark.””

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/05/08/opinion/intellectual-dark-web.html

  83. Another Ian says:

    ” Uber Drivers Just Killed All the Parts of the Job They Supposedly Liked the Most”

    http://www.coyoteblog.com/coyote_blog/2018/05/uber-drivers-just-killed-all-the-parts-of-the-job-they-supposedly-liked-the-most.html

  84. Larry Ledwick says:

    Gee what a surprise – sort of like those track your kid apps that let anyone eavesdrop on your children’s location and activities.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-mobile-privacy/fcc-investigating-reports-website-flaw-exposed-mobile-phone-locations-idUSKCN1IJ2F0

  85. jim2 says:

    I can’t believe this is happening, but …
    “Twenty years later, the fight for term extension has begun anew. Buried in an otherwise harmless act, passed by the House and now being considered in the Senate, this new bill purports to create a new digital performance right—basically the right to control copies of recordings on any digital platform (ever hear of the internet?)—for musical recordings made before 1972. These recordings would now have a new right, protected until 2067, which, for some, means a total term of protection of 144 years. The beneficiaries of this monopoly need do nothing to get the benefit of this gift. They don’t have to make the work available. Nor do they have to register their claims in advance.”

    https://www.wired.com/story/congress-latest-move-to-extend-copyright-protection-is-misguided/

  86. jim2 says:

    This latest high school shooting featured a shotgun and pistol. I guess this guy took Biden’s advice:

    “Joe Biden, the US vice-president, has said Americans should buy shotguns rather than assault rifles if they want to protect their homes.

    Biden, who is leading a push for President Barack Obama’s gun control proposals, made the remark during a question-and-answer session on Facebook on Tuesday.”

    I wonder how the rabid gun control freaks will leverage that one?

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/feb/20/joe-biden-buy-a-shotgun

  87. Another Ian says:

    Jim2

    “I wonder how the rabid gun control freaks will leverage that one?”

    Like this

    “USA Today Demonizes AR-15 After Reporting Santa Fe Gunman Used Revolver, Shotgun”

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/05/19/usa-today-demonizes-ar-15-reporting-santa-fe-gunman-used-revolver-shotgun/

  88. Larry Ledwick says:

    They are also trying to bury the fact he had a communist hammer and sickle button on his jacket too. You would think that they would catch on that if they keep getting caught on social media with these blatant misrepresentations and selective edits that they are slowly killing their credibility.

    Conservatives and independents have clearly taken all this to heart but the left are only now beginning to catch on that they are being systematically lied to by their news providers. Also the loss of trust is showing up more strongly in the younger demographics which are more likely to be active on the web and see repeated instances of major media stories being shredded by user comments and social media fact checking.

    http://news.gallup.com/poll/195542/americans-trust-mass-media-sinks-new-low.aspx

  89. H.R. says:

    Here’s another Gallup poll that shows trust in various professions. About halfway down are TV reporters. They don’t compare very well with local politicians. It’s not clear if the TV reporters are local or national network, as I’d suspect local reporters have a little more trust.

    http://news.gallup.com/poll/1654/Honesty-Ethics-Professions.aspx

  90. E.M.Smith says:

    This article does a nice concise job of laying out how the TLAs conspired to use British Intel to tap Trump & his associates in their attempt to take him down.

    https://truepundit.com/exclusive-six-u-s-agencies-conspired-to-illegally-wiretap-trump-british-intel-used-as-front-to-spy-on-campaign-for-nsa/

  91. ossqss says:

    So what clues will we find coming from the latest metal illness and or prescription drug, that got ignored, gun control push? Willis loaded a PS at the bottom of this post which was quite interesting. Glamorizing these type events in the MSM is a big mistake, but it continues. Agenda’s seem to superceed lives for some. Somebody saw Texas coming somewhere, but ignored it, again.

    https://rosebyanyothernameblog.wordpress.com/2018/03/20/guns-and-home-invasion/

  92. Larry Ledwick says:

    Interesting observations about the up coming IG report and what it says about the media.

    https://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/the-inspector-generals-report-will-expose-the-msm-as-treasonous/

    This whole mess is starting to play out like a mixture of a bad grand conspiracy novel, the assassination of JFK and the rumored connections to the FBI and CIA and the Frank Sinatra movie Manchurian Candidate. Keep in mind that “deep throat” was from the very top echelon ( 7th floor) at the FBI, Associate Director Mark Felt, so there is a history there of collusion with the media for effect from the very top levels of government.

    Depending on who’s ox is getting gored this could suddenly go completely sideways in ways we can only imagine.

    Some conservative reporters have said the scandal was much bigger that you could possibly imagine and the perception is that the IG report will blow the lid off of some of it.

  93. jim2 says:

    @ossqss says: 20 May 2018 at 3:32 am

    Well, strictly speaking, correlation does not imply causation. In the cases laid out by Willis, the third variable might be that these kids did indeed have intrinsic mental illness. So, they committed heinous acts and were given drugs for the mental issues.

    Do you believe all humans are “normal” and functional?

    Also, what of the millions who take these drugs and don’t kill anyone.

    Not enough data.

  94. p.g.sharrow says:

    You guys are missing the big picture in these shooting rampages.
    BULLIES ! both those that are students and the administrators that protect them.
    These shooters are all retaliating for a “life time” of being pushed around by bullies with no support from those that they depended on for protection.
    When we were young there was some retaliation expected. You could go to teachers or your parents or fight back,but now “Zero” tolerance is the Rule from the people in charge. and real bullies are protected from retaliation. Bullies tend to become Administrators and COPs. Their behavior is normal to them and resistance is not to be tolerated.
    Medicating young men to act like girls is just one more instance of Bullies in power forcing “compliance without resistance” on powerless young men. Small wonder that after a life of being subjected to this treatment and exposed to the murderous offerings of Hollywood a few of them go on a rampage of retaliation…pg

  95. cdquarles says:

    @jim2 That is the way things are supposed to be with respect to psychotropic drugs. Sadly, these days, way too many ‘normal’ behaviors get called ‘abnormal’. True mental illness is on the order of 1 to 2% of the population, for all types combined. Some of these are temporary, of which depression is likely the most common. Others are not. Combine that with the fact that often there will not be a physical lesion demonstrable, so you get the ability to abuse people who ‘don’t conform’ to the wishes of the powers that be.

  96. cdquarles says:

    Oh, one other thing. Current FDA rules require listing any sign or symptom seen while on a medication as being the result of the medication as a side-effect, regardless of whether said signs or symptoms were there before getting put on the medication in order to relieve the medical condition.

  97. Larry Ledwick says:

    Interesting item here about immigration:

    http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/05/20/un-migration-boss-attacks-trump-mass-migration-national-interest/

    The article brings up an interesting point. The best way to describe my observation is to dissect what would be the perfect environment for a progressive one world big government advocate. Someone who believes in big government (as long as they are “the big government”) wants to rule a large population of compliant people who pay taxes so they can skim the tax flow for personal gain and to facilitate the control of the governed.

    Their nightmare would be a small well educated population of highly productive people who pay attention to what their government does, and do not like unnecessary control over them, but would rather take care of their own needs from the fruits of their own labor, and want to pay only those taxes necessary to fund the services that they need.

    In a modern highly technological society as automation increases productivity (and wealth of the masses) you get the worst of all possible worlds in the eyes of the progressive one world government.

    A small low birthrate Highly educated and technically competent population, who earn enough to not care about government services they do not need, and much of that production coming from automation which pays no taxes.

    This completely breaks the big government big tax flow money skimming machine of the progressives.

  98. cdquarles says:

    Well, for me, the only necessary government “services” are cops, courts and armies. Even with these, they must be strictly limited.

  99. E.M.Smith says:

    @Jim2:

    If you look at the class of drugs, they have a few very common effects ( I hesitate to call these “side effects” as they are so common). They are mostly either SSRI’s or essentially amphetamines. Amphetamines are known to cause various sorts of psychotic breaks, suicidal ideation, violent behaviour, etc. etc. Now put 1 in 10,000 on those drugs, when they have a sever condition that needs it, well, then maybe that 1 in 1,000,000 psychotic break is acceptable as we’re now talking one in 10 billion population. BUT, put 10 MILLION kids on that stuff, you are GUARANTEED 10 psychotic break episodes. Maybe that only leads to 2 “mass killings”, but….

    BTW, my spouse works in the school system in the function that assesses kids and recommends if they ought to be drugged or not. I daily get to “hear about her day”. The percentage of kids on behaviour modification drugs is quite a lot higher than I think appropriate.

    Now, let’s consider the anti-depressant drugs. They, by design, help you to not care about the bad things in your life. If you are busy “not caring” what bad thing happens AND having this little urge to kill off the folks who torment you at school…. It is IMPORTANT to pay attention to those things that are going to bring you more ‘bad’ in your life. Not caring what happens to you is a strong contributor to this. Yet SSRIs are handed out like chocolates by some docs.

    https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/depression/in-depth/ssris/art-20044825

    Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs)
    SSRIs, a commonly prescribed type of antidepressant, can help you overcome depression. Discover how SSRIs improve mood and what side effects they may cause.

    Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) are the most commonly prescribed antidepressants.

    How SSRIs work

    SSRIs ease depression by increasing levels of serotonin in the brain. Serotonin is one of the chemical messengers (neurotransmitters) that carry signals between brain cells. SSRIs block the reabsorption (reuptake) of serotonin in the brain, making more serotonin available. SSRIs are called selective because they seem to primarily affect serotonin, not other neurotransmitters.

    SSRIs also may be used to treat conditions other than depression, such as anxiety disorders.

    SSRIs approved to treat depression

    The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has approved these SSRIs to treat depression:

    Citalopram (Celexa)
    Escitalopram (Lexapro)
    Fluoxetine (Prozac)
    Paroxetine (Paxil, Pexeva)
    Sertraline (Zoloft)
    Vilazodone (Viibryd)

    Fluvoxamine, an SSRI that’s approved by the FDA to treat obsessive-compulsive disorder, is sometimes used to treat depression.

    So pretty much any teenager with OCD, depression or anxiety disorder (isn’t that pretty much every high school kid ever? /sarc; will be offered these if they seek “treatment” or if treatment is shoved at them. And what do they do, guaranteed, so some significant part of the population?

    Possible side effects and cautions

    All SSRIs work in a similar way and generally can cause similar side effects, though some people may not experience any. Many side effects may go away after the first few weeks of treatment, while others may lead you and your doctor to try a different drug. If you can’t tolerate one SSRI, you may be able to tolerate a different one, as SSRIs differ in chemical makeup.

    Possible side effects of SSRIs may include, among others:

    Drowsiness
    Nausea
    Dry mouth
    Insomnia
    Diarrhea
    Nervousness, agitation or restlessness
    Dizziness
    Sexual problems, such as reduced sexual desire or difficulty reaching orgasm or inability to maintain an erection (erectile dysfunction)
    Headache
    Blurred vision

    So some high school kid is already in the stressed out phase of life, has now been labeled as a “problem” and “sick” so gets these drugs. Then, say only 1 in 10,000, some of them get added insomnia, agitation, nervousness, some “sexual problems” and what comes next?

    Safety issues

    SSRIs are generally safe for most people. However, in some circumstances they can cause problems. For example, high doses of citalopram may cause dangerous abnormal heart rhythms, so doses over 40 milligrams (mg) a day should be avoided, according to the FDA and the manufacturer. They also recommend a maximum dose of 20 mg for people over age 60.

    Other issues to discuss with your doctor before you take an SSRI include:

    Drug interactions. When taking an antidepressant, tell your doctor about any other prescription or over-the-counter medications, herbs or other supplements you’re taking. Some antidepressants can cause dangerous reactions when combined with certain medications or herbal supplements.

    Serotonin syndrome. Rarely, an antidepressant can cause high levels of serotonin to accumulate in your body. Serotonin syndrome most often occurs when two medications that raise the level of serotonin are combined. These include other antidepressants, certain pain or headache medications, and the herbal supplement St. John's wort. Signs and symptoms of serotonin syndrome include anxiety, agitation, sweating, confusion, tremors, restlessness, lack of coordination and a rapid heart rate. Seek immediate medical attention if you have any of these signs or symptoms.

    Of course we can fully expect high school kids to never ever take supplements nor do other drugs without consulting their Physician, right?…

    Serotonin Syndrome shows up in something like 1 in 10,000. Basically they are driven crazy by the drug. One guy killed his family then went to prison THEN recovered (no drug) and was tested. He is one of those that has serotonin accumulate… We WILL be removing them from the population over time (along with a 1/2 dozen of their closest friends and family) so this will reduce if we drug enough people long enough… But the process is not so good…

    Suicide risk and antidepressants

    Most antidepressants are generally safe, but the FDA requires that all antidepressants carry black box warnings, the strictest warnings for prescriptions. In some cases, children, teenagers and young adults under 25 may have an increase in suicidal thoughts or behavior when taking antidepressants, especially in the first few weeks after starting or when the dose is changed.

    Anyone taking an antidepressant should be watched closely for worsening depression or unusual behavior. If you or someone you know has suicidal thoughts when taking an antidepressant, immediately contact your doctor or get emergency help.

    So here’s this rejected nervous kid, potentially with some sexual disfunction, can’t sleep and is depressive; so starts the suicidal ideation. But concern and worry about outcomes is reduced… and gee, what about a little “pay back” on your way out?

    Want to end mass shootings in schools? Make schools an “SSRI Free Zone!”

    Footnote: DO remember to “do the math”. It is critical to run the numbers. With about 350 Million population, and say 35 Million of them in “teen years”, put 10% of them on these drugs, it’s 3.5 Million. Now, a 1:100,000 suicidal ideation leading to murder suicide rate becomes 35 events. If only 10% of those run to completion, you have 3.5 Mass Killing. Just about the rate we are having…

  100. Larry Ledwick says:

    A bit more on the Texas shooting, it appears the final straw for the shooter might have been rejection by a girl he was interested in.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/may/20/santa-fe-shooting-suspect-dimitrios-pagourtzis-motive

    Another part of bullying is intolerance and alienation, you have these individuals who are black listed by all the other kids and try as they might they cannot fit in and join any group, so they finally join the one group that you can only join by individual action, and become “somebody” through violence.

    You wonder how many of these situations could have been defused if just one other person helped that outcast individual fit in to some activity or group.

    There was a book written back in the 1970’s called “born to win” that talked about the natural need for social animals to get attention from others and the worst form of bullying is actually shunning where the individual is a “non-person” to others in his group.

    If possible a kid wants to get positive strokes of approval.
    If they can’t get that they will get negative strokes of disapproval by acting out in some manner.
    Almost anything is better than being a non-person.

    I wonder if he was one of those slightly weird kids that got left out of every social activity of his cohort?

  101. Larry Ledwick says:

    Word of the day seen on twitter:
    Demopathic Party

  102. jim2 says:

    LL – But then you have to ask yourself if kids with mental problems tend to get bullied.

    EM – I’m not taking issue with if drugs are used on kids too often, they probably are. Neither am I taking issue with if drugs can cause secondary problems worse than the mental problem.

    To illustrate my point:

    1. Take as the population in question persons between ages 13 – 19 inclusive.
    2. Of those, consider the subset on, say, antidepressants – what proportion of those commit capital murder?
    3. BUT ALSO you you have to determine what proportion of the non-medicated subset commit capital murder.

    Point being, you have to look at the big picture, not just a somewhat cherry-picked slice of it.

  103. Another Ian says:

    The MSM – because (?)

    ”The world is being brought to you by stupid people.

    Journalists’ brains show a lower-than-average level of executive functioning, according to a new study, which means they have a below-average ability to regulate their emotions, suppress biases, solve complex problems, switch between tasks, and show creative and flexible thinking.

    The study, led by Tara Swart, a neuroscientist and leadership coach, analysed 40 journalists from newspapers, magazines, broadcast, and online platforms over seven months. The participants took part in tests related to their lifestyle, health, and behaviour.”

    http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/index.php/2018/05/20/your-moral-and-intellectual-superiors-14/

  104. Larry Ledwick says:

    Sometimes this just seems to be the appropriate response to current events and the news media.

  105. E.M.Smith says:

    @Another Ian:

    Well “there’s my problem!”

    Journalists’ brains show a lower-than-average level of executive functioning, according to a new study, which means they have a below-average ability to regulate their emotions, suppress biases, solve complex problems, switch between tasks, and show creative and flexible thinking.

    I have much higher than average “executive function”, above average (by a lot) ability to regulate my emotions ( I can literally turn them off entirely, or on to excess, at will), I generally know and eliminate any bias, solve complex problems without having had my first morning coffee and in minutes, switch between tasks instantly (and it seems constantly) and I’m very creative and have far too flexible a thinking process.

    Clearly I have no place in Journalism OR the New World Order…

    But at least now I know why I don’t fit in the world as defined by the media…

  106. Another Ian says:

    Larry L

    With all the Arctic ice pronouncements shouldn’t that reset button be at the north pole?

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