Dueling Foundations, Lawfare, Happy Birthday Mr. President, IG Report

Happening now, the release of the I.G. report, on POTUS Donald Trump’s Birthday.
One hopes it is a very nice birthday present…

So not much to say yet, but here’s a place to say it as the “stuff” hits the whirly thing.

In other news, the New York Democratic Lawfare Organization has decided to sue / attack / whatever… the Trump Foundation claiming all sorts of improprieties (and no doubt that they kicked the dog too.. /sarc;) so another “watch this space”. Looks like they are suing POTUS and his kids. It’s a civil suit, so money damages at most (though don’t be surprised to see someone try to expand this into criminal charges).

One wonders where the NYC Lawfare Division was when Hillary was running her “Pay to play” shakedown operation.

Not much to say about either at the moment, but here’s just a specific thread to accumulate the score as the battles expand the field…

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141 Responses to Dueling Foundations, Lawfare, Happy Birthday Mr. President, IG Report

  1. H.R. says:

    Re the Lawfare: resident Trump has already tweeted that his foundation took in $18.8 million and gave out $19.2 million. He further tweeted that the NY DA sat on the case for two years because it was a loser. President Trump said he will fight it.

    The suit was picked up again today to serve as chaff to split coverage of the IG report. It’s not the facts (baseless accusation), but the seriousness of the charge that matters.

  2. H.R. says:

    I would expect that somewhere in the IG report is the finding that Comey did not reopen the Clinton email investigation due to political bias, which is true.

    Due to the emails discovered on Weiner’s laptop, he was forced to reopen the investigation (all fine and good) and then sweep it under the rug as quickly as possible (definitely nefarious). “Nothing to see here. Move along.”

    Apparently, McCabe hid the knowledge of the emails from Comey for a month before knowledge of the emails leaked out.

    Sundance, on The Conservative TreeHouse, is of the opinion that the week spent allegedly reviewing the 650,000 emails was actually spent in panic and the planning of how to bury the news. Sundance believes that the emails weren’t even read. There was no investigation of the 650,000 emails.

  3. Larry Ledwick says:

    If you want to full text IG report it is available here:


    568 pages long
    titled “A Review of Various Actions by the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Department of Justice in Advance of the 2016 Election”

  4. philjourdan says:

    @HR – I agree with you that the Trump Foundation suit is a distraction. A desperate attempt to divert attention from what the IG is saying. I suspect the dog kicking will be found on the new NY AG, and probably sooner than later.

  5. E.M.Smith says:

    It says download but there is no download button and it does not end in .pdf so…

    I wonder if “select all, copy, past” would work (or break W.P. comments ;-)

  6. Larry Ledwick says:

    FBI agents were getting bribes from journalists in the form of freebees


    The Department of Justice inspector general identified a number of instances where FBI employees regularly spoke with members of the media and received a number of free perks from journalists including meals and tickets to various events.

    On page XII in the report, the IG says the department “identified numerous FBI employees, at all levels of the organization and with no official reason to be in contact with the media, who were nevertheless in frequent contact with reporters.”

    The IG expressed “profound concerns about the volume and extent of unauthorized media contacts by FBI personnel that we have uncovered our review.”

  7. Larry Ledwick says:

    That link auto opens as a pdf file for me in firefox


  8. Larry Ledwick says:

    From twitter:
    3 minutes ago
    TheLastRefuge Retweeted TheLastRefuge

    The “executive summary” was written to protect the institutions and that’s where the media are getting ALL of their headlines. However, the internal body, the investigative report inside, is entirely contradictory to the summary. The facts are DEVASTATING.

  9. E.M.Smith says:


    Ah, when you click ‘save page as’ it gives a .pdf ending on the name… Downloaded now…

    And yes, I expect it will take mining the whole document to find the truth, thus just having an open page for folks to post things as they are found…

  10. Larry Ledwick says:

    From twitter:
    Robert Barnes @Barnes_Law

    Wonder why @Comey let Hillary walk for using personal email to conduct official business? Because #HorowitzReport finds: “Comey, Strzok and Page used their personal email accounts to conduct FBI business.”

  11. E.M.Smith says:

    Hmmm….. WAAaaay down at the bottom is “Appendix Two – Law Enforcement Sensitive”.

    Wonder what was left out?…

    (Yes, I’m starting at the bottom and working my way up. Best way to read financial reports too…)

    Then above that “Appendix One – CLASSIFIED”…. Oh My.

    A couple of Comey “Butt Cover” memos in Attachments E & F.

    Attachment D, page 549, looks interesting, maybe:

    Statement by FBI Director James R Comey on the investigation of Secretary Hillary Clinton’s use of a Personal Email System

    Attachment C page 543

    Has a couple of emails between McCabe, Comey, and Strsok, then a long update doc on what they did. Don’t know how interesting…

    Attachment B page 532 is the FBI response to the IG report. On page 541 it has:

    7.Insubordination by former Director Comey
    The OIG found that former Director Comey was insubordinate when he intentionally concealed from DOJ his intentions regarding the July 5, 2016, announcement and instructed his subordinates to do the same. The FBI does not condone insubordination at a
    ny level and will institute training to ensure compliance with policy and the chain of command, as appropriate

    I think that one will need a full read ;-)

    Attachment A page 530 is just a memo saying “Uh, sure, we’ll do some of what you suggested”…

    Chapter 16, Conclusions & Recommendations starts on page 526.

    Near as I can tell they are the usual: Some training, put in some policies to fix liability on the little fish for violating them, and oh, yeah, don’t do it again.

  12. E.M.Smith says:

    Table of contents starts on (pdf) page 16. Looks detailed enough to be a good guide for where to dig…

  13. Another Ian says:


    “Those reading the report will note the executive summary and conclusions were not written by the same IG officials who wrote the body of the investigative findings. The investigation doesn’t match the summary. The media is using the summary for their narrative; however the content within the IG report is entirely devastating.”

  14. Larry Ledwick says:

    Attorney General Jeff Sessions on the IG report


    On the Appendix, they mentioned last night that the main body of the IG report was to be as open as possible and not littered with redactions. They moved the sensitive info that required redactions to appendix so it could be handled differently ( ie provide unredacted versions to those with proper clearances. )

  15. Another Ian says:

    “US DoJ Inspector General report into FBI Clinton email investigation – shocking FBI bias”

    Quite a list there!


  16. Another Ian says:

    “The DoJ stands for “Department of Just Us” – and leftists get passes, conservatives get railroaded. No equal justice. A corrupt Justice Department is dangerous to our country.”

    Comment at


  17. Larry Ledwick says:

    It is going to take several days to dig out the serious issues in this document due to its size, and they may have talked around a few things to not compromise indictments that they already have prepared or actions they have planned. This is just enough to set the stage and like a full orchestra it will probably build to a crescendo ending just before the mid terms in 4 months.

    The independent journalists will dissect this document and find associations and conflicts that are not apparent on the surface that point at other issues not yet in the public domain.

    I think the primary agenda is to slowly bring the public into accepting the possibility that there is massive long standing corruption in Washington that has gone unchallenged so long it is taken to be accepted practice even though by the letter of the law many of these actions are either highly illegal or grossly unethical.

    It will take time to shift the public perception from one of seeing government as being benignly incompetent to maliciously manipulative as standard procedure in some departments.

  18. Larry Ledwick says:

    From twitter:
    Katica Retweeted
    60 minutes ago
    Clinton IT Guy Combetta admits he was part of the coverup crew. HUGE revelation – Pg 103 OIG Report – FBI NOT INTERESTED

  19. Larry Ledwick says:

    As and example of triggered events resulting from the IG report:
    Ftrom twitter:

    Harold Finch and Michelle Malkin liked
    House Judiciary ⚖
    ‏Verified account
    6 hours ago
    In reviewing this report it is clear the FBI and DOJ withheld relevant text communications between Lisa Page and Peter Strzok.

    The House Judiciary Committee intends to issue a subpoena to Peter Strzok to compel his testimony before the Committees. #IGReport

  20. Larry Ledwick says:

    There are a whole lot of analysis threads starting to show up, many say basically – don’t go off half cocked, wait for this report to be dissected, this is only a summary of events and evidence,that at a later time (or perhaps already has) trigger formal investigations and charges. That is not the function of this report it is simply to assemble in one place an authoratative body of evidence to be sifted for conflicts, indirect admissions, references to other people and events to be further probed. We are just at the beginning of the beginning, so don’t expect indictments to fall from the sky tomorrow.


  21. Larry Ledwick says:

    This one has not been rolled up into a thread reader app yet but if you have access to twitter:

  22. Larry Ledwick says:

    Chart the OIG put together showing identified FBI reporter contacts outside protocol


  23. Larry Ledwick says:

    What happened after the IG report was released

  24. A C Osborn says:

    The worst response bar none was from Wray, “No political bias found in IG Report” in direct contrast to the Strzok’s & Page’s emails.
    He should be removed as Director of the FBI immediately.

  25. philjourdan says:

    @Larry Ledwick 15 June 2018 at 2:43 am

    BINGO! You just nailed it. The only thing I would “quibble” with is the “they”. Trump is just one man. It is indeed his design and plan. As you look over what has transpired in the past 2 years, you begin to see a pattern of sucker and snooker. The coincidences are too numerous to chalk up to random chance even if you believe in coincidences (which I think are rarer than Hen’s teeth).

    This is the small show. The one to win the mid terms with. The big show comes in 2 years.

    The irony of it is, the only ones that know what is coming are businessmen like Trump who have played the game before. But like magicians, they are not going to reveal their own secrets to expose him.

    Grab some popcorn and sit back and watch the fun!

  26. David A says:

    Rene we the 500 plus page report is itself, just a summary of a portion of the 1.5 million page IG investigation, and the real meat is being parsed and acted on here…

    And THIS is better. Please read and consider. Anti Sessions crowd, your comments about what you KNOW are appreciated, or admit WE do not know.

    AG Sessions says “[…]This has been a prolonged and painful process for the Department and the FBI. But this is not the end of the process. US Attorney John Huber continues his work in cooperation with the Inspector General… He has reviewed this report and based on its findings and his own investigation, will provide recommendations as to whether ANY MATTER NOT CURRENTLY UNDER INVESTIGATION should be opened, whether any matters currently under investigation require further resources or whether matters merit the appointment of Special Counsel.[…]” https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dfq-l0oXcAAJXXC.jpg


    Larry Schweikart Posts–

    “But in case you lost track there are FIVE investigations of Ds going on plus the sex fund scandal:

    1 – The first, in no particular order: Sessions announced that he was reopening the Cankles e-mail investigation, and that it in fact has been going on “for months.”

    2 – 1/12/2018 the DOJ unsealed the indictment of the U1 guy, but his partner had been CONVICTED some time ago, meaning this investigation has been going on “for months”

    3- Sessions announced he was opening an investigation of Hezbollah/Iran.

    4 – Mulehead–The fact is, except for two minor “process” indictments, he hasn’t done anything even remotely pointing toward Trump. But . . .
    note that the two “process” indictments Manafort and Flynn’s plea deal, are both so incredibly tainted by “sloppy” processes themselves that both should easily walk or have plea & charges thrown out. Gee, maybe that was on purpose?

    5 – the Awans are closely tied to the emails, FUSION GPS, and likely even the U1 deal, then it stands to reason Sessions is on it.[…]”

    Thanks to Gail for these posts!
    I an simply sharing them. She is the savant researcher!

  27. David A says:

    Rene = Remember, dang phone!

  28. David A says:

    … Sessions recently increased DOJ staff by 300!
    The plus 30,000 above normal sealed indictments are apparently real.

  29. jim2 says:

    @David A says:

    I can’t find the full passage purported to come from Sessions in you link. Specifically, I can’t find anything related to “ANY MATTER NOT CURRENTLY UNDER INVESTIGATION”.

  30. David A says:

    Jim, curious because I do read that, yet I agree, the source of the Sessions quote is not revealed in the link, so I will inquire further later today.

  31. philjourdan says:

    “Rene = Remember, dang phone!”

    And here I was thinking that you found a new “Shirley” ;-)

    I had almost forgotten about John Huber. Thanks for the reminder.

    But I will say that the “meme” being run about by the left is the Schumer Meme “nothing to see here, move along”. When Schumer flat out lied in his speech (to be fair, he did not lie as he had not read the report, so his statements were lies based upon ignorance).

  32. E.M.Smith says:


    I believe “lie” is when you know it is false, but not knowing makes it a “fabrication”…i.e. fiction. I.e. making shit up.

  33. cdquarles says:


    Indeed, there has been and still is longstanding corruption in the DoJ, the FBI and the US Federal government, overall. Decades old for some parts and centuries old for the Fed government as a whole.

    The rot began early and with the passing of the founding generation. In my opinion, the rot accelerated in the 1820 to 1840 period, when John C. Calhoun’s “natural slave-owning Aristocracy” founded the current Democrat party. NB, his aristocracy excluded the Free-Black slave owners and the minions he led expropriated both the Free-Black owners and the ‘natives’, too. If I am remembering correctly, they fleeced the Indians first. And you wonder why I won’t vote for a Democrat that I can’t personally vet and vouch for.

    The rot accelerated with the Reconstruction and was egged on by the Know-Nothings and the Progressives in the first few decades afterward. Once we started criminalizing ‘disfavored’ commerce, it got worse from there. Glomming on ‘Scientific Socialism’, starting in the the late 1840s, in my opinion, simply made things easier for “Evil Bastards”, as our host names them, to do their dirty work; assisted by the 16th, 17th and 18th amendments. (going from memory, so I may be way wrong about the 18th)

  34. jim2 says:

    @David A says:

    Unless I missed something, that comment is referring to the Wray’s pressor. It would be more meaningful if Sessions said it. I’m thinking there is a reason Sessions is still there – I hope that reason is that he is heading up the effort to skewer the Dimowits and their allies everywhere and anywhere.

  35. philjourdan says:

    @CD – 18 is Prohibition. 19 is Suffrage.

  36. jim2 says:

    If you wonder if the FBI and DOJ are politicized, this is all you have to know:

    Moreover, the treatment afforded to former Secretary Clinton and other potential subjects and targets was starkly different from the FBI’s investigation into Trump campaign officials. Voluntariness and consent in the former were replaced with search warrants, subpoenas, and other compulsory processes in the latter. Many of the investigators and supervisors were the same in both investigations but the investigatory tactics were not.


  37. cdquarles says:

    Thanks, philj, for the confirmation. Oh, yeah, I should have included the 19th as well, with some caveats.

  38. David A says:

    Jim2, not sure where your getting this as coming from Wray.

    The beginning and end show it coming from the AG, not the director of the FBI. Even the Guardian quotes the beginning of Sessions statement as coming from Sessions. Still I have not found the full quote elsewhere but it appears genuine and from Sessions.

  39. gallopingcamel says:

    We waited patiently for the IOG report but it was built just like Comey’s July 25th (2016) report to Congress. It is a meticulously documents criminal actions yet nobody will face investigation other than five low level agents. The American Center for Law & Justice (ACLJ) got it right when they said that the IOG office “is where the Truth goes to die.”

    The problems in the DoJ and the FBI are not the grunts who do the real work. Christopher Wray should be ashamed for threatening these guys with anti-bias training. That would imply that he knows that bias exists even though the Inspector General illogically suggests that there is no bias because nobody left a memo detailing it.

    Criminals are not in the habit of documenting why they committed their crimes. It is up to our (corrupt) judicial system to decide which suspects to prosecute. Paul Manafort is in jail because Mueller accuses him of jury tampering based on flimsy evidence while the underlying “crime” is one that most of our elected officials commit with impunity. Manafort did not document his nefarious intent yet he in jail? So unfair!

    The problem with the DoJ and the FBI is not the “grunts”….it is the corrupt top level officials. Donald Trump appointed Sessions to head the DoJ and Wray to head the FBI. These people could have made a name for themselves by pledging to clean the Augean stables. Instead they chose to join the cover up and align themselves with the corrupt top management at the FBI and DoJ.

    Fortunately for the American people they won’t get away with it……they have seriously underestimated Donald Trump. He is purposefully moving towards the head of the fish (Barack Obama):

    Now another scandal connected with Debbie Wasserman-Schultz. Her crooked IT person is getting the kid glove (Hillary Clinton) treatment:

    Trump is a very patient man. He has refused to intervene in the Spygate scandal that makes Watergate look like a petty crime. Unless the GOP leadership develops a backbone (don’t rule that out given that Mitch McConnell flipped today), Trump will order the DoJ to hand over unredacted documents to the oversight committees.

    When will that happen? It will happen at a moment chosen by Trump. He wrong foots his opponents time after time but they never learn. Imagine the Dems and the Fake Media opposing transparency in government! Are the Democrats dumb enough to fight against the right of the American people to know who is doing what in their name? I suspect that they are.

  40. jim2 says:

    @gallopingcamel says:

    I haven’t read the paper myself, but your summation is the feeling I’m getting from reading pieces from those who are disappointed with the report. As you say, it throws a few low level people under the bus, then they expect the bus to roll on. I just hope they are wrong.

  41. E.M.Smith says:


    I’ve only jumped around in the report, but to me it does read that way. Sort of a: Here’s the list of crimes and criminals, now you all get “retraining” and don’t do it again…

  42. A C Osborn says:

    I don’t think so, having read lots of comments elsewhere there is sufficient info in that data to prosecute a lot of people, not just agents. Also some of the instructions on how investigations should be handled is very condemning of their leadership, especially the Weiner Laptop.
    The other point is that all that info has been passed to Huber, so he is the key to whether anything actually happens to the crooks.

  43. jim2 says:

    Well, I guess if nothing else it stirs the pot. I’m always hopeful :)

  44. Larry Ledwick says:

    So apparently the FBI limited their investigation into the personal electronics of Hillary and others because “They were afraid they would find too many crimes and get lost in the maze”

    Holy crap what a fine mess you’ve made Ollie.


  45. E.M.Smith says:

    A nice write up that ‘splains the Russia Investigation in a way that points out the folly of it (from a link at SDA http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/index.php/2018/06/16/when-the-fbi-does-it-that-means-that-its-not-illegal-31/ )

    Has a video you need to turn off (or watch) and another annoyance of auto-audio but the article is good…


  46. jim2 says:

    Giuliani is talking up a special counsel to investigate the Mule-ear probe. That would be SOOOOO SWWEEEEEET!!!

  47. Another Ian says:

    Is “hottening” a word?

    “IG Report: Peter Strzok Statements About Weiner/Abedin Laptop Conflict With FBI Claims About Weiner/Abedin Laptop…”


  48. E.M.Smith says:

    @Another Ian:

    One of the nice things about languages is that “it is a word if you make it one” – otherwise no language would ever have gotten beyond “grunt!”.

  49. gallopingcamel says:

    Folks like Sean Hannity tell us that the “Rank and File” at the FBI are honest. If that is so why have none of them have spoken out? I still hope that they are honest as Sean seems to think but how can they be so cowardly that they still refuse to speak out?

    If there is even one really brave and noble G-men left maybe he/her should prove it by speaking up right now.

  50. A C Osborn says:

    There have apparently been many FBI agents who have come forward and requested to be subpoened so that they can give testimony without jeopardy.

  51. E.M.Smith says:

    An agent can not just “speak out” due to policy forbidding it (so they get reprimands / fired / whatever). That is true in most organizations. Only the execs and the PR department are defacto authorized to “speak out'”

    The result of that is you get “leakers” and folks who quit with a press conference. It’s mighty hard to toss your career on the bonfire (what other agency is going to hire you?) if you don’t have hard proof, verifiable, of something really really big. Just suspicions and belief are not enough.

    Then, when you do “speak out”, you may need to be ready to move to Russia… (Snowden) or live in an Ecuadorian embassy… lest you catch the “Clinton Flu”…

  52. David A says:

    E.M. your comments on the technical aspects of sorting out the hundreds of thousands of texts and emails in the Anthony W insurance policy would be educational…

  53. E.M.Smith says:

    @David A.:

    I’d thought of making a remark on that, but thought that from this distance it would be more opinion than light… but since you have an interest, my opinion on it:

    They keep talking about metadata being absent. That says they wanted to use metadata to sort the emails. That could be mail headers, I suppose; but more likely it is some kind of data from the mail storage system. Perhaps date / time, size, message ID as index fields? Hard to say what is missing when it is missing…

    They also describe these as backups.

    So, what I conclude is that they were in some kind of email blob as a big backup, and they needed to sort out a few different backup copies to see what was unique.

    FWIW, I’m dealing with that same issue right now with respect to my multiple home directory copies.

    On the one hand, to do it properly requires a file by file strong comparison. I.e. it’s a royal PITA.

    On the other hand, it’s pretty easy when you find a wad named “HD500mb_Backup” and it’s 350 MB of your 500 mb hard disk, in a backup file, to figure you can just compare it to all the other copies you found labeled HD500mb_Backup and toss the duplicates.

    “diff” and “cmp” are your friends: The “diff” command lets you compare text files and it spits out the lines that are different. While “cmp” lets you compare binary files and it hollers if they don’t match (but does NOT spit out a wad of random binary to screw up your monitor…) So a quick “cmp” a/HD500mb_Backup b/HD500mb_Backup will tell you if they match.

    Now where you start to get some “Magic Sauce” is when you put these things in scripts. Toss together a little script that walks the file system tree and makes a catalog of where to find like named files, then have it run “cmp” over those files and note the matches. Quite rapidly you have dumped all the duplicates of the Aug 2015 backup of HD500_Backup and kept the ones from May, June, and December. In one shot, you have narrowed the search by 500 MB x number of dups of August. (And similarly for dups of other months).

    I suspect something like that was the “magic” done by the F.B.I. geeks. Further, I’d suggest that their “certified technician” was basically certified to run some standard forensic dredging program but was NOT a Unix / Linux systems programmer sort who uses these tools on a daily basis. Why? Because in court you want the certified software to be the only thing you must defend and NOT “well, I hacked together this cool script that modified the files and…”

    Next, you would unpack (un-tar, un-dump, whatever the storage format was) those backups into a series of directories. HD500-may and HD500-june and HD500-aug … Now you do basically the same thing all over again. Knock together a little script to walk each tree, comparing matching file names, and tossing the ones that are a duplicate. Essentially you are creating a full dump from the earliest version, then at each next step, creating an incremental dump (out of that full dump).

    At the end of that process (or about a day) you will have a single image of the 500 MB Hard Disk with the contents of all unique items over time.

    Not hard. Not particularly easy either, in that you need someone good at scripting and comparison languages to get it done. FWIW, Perl would be great for this kind of thing… originally used for systems admins to do things like dredge through massive collections of log files to figure out what was wrong and eventually used to automate the repair steps too.

    So it does not surprise me at all that the first impression was “OMG we can’t look at all that!” even from the “certified technician”, nor does it surprise me that when they called the Backroom Boys a script wizard was able to unscramble their eggs for them in a couple of days. It is what I would expect.

    Making that into some grand “Conspiracy Of They Lied!!!!!” is a bit over the top; especially when all it really requires is the “certified tech” sees one thing day one and the Backroom Boys see something else a few days later. They author put way to much faith in what “certified technician” might mean in terms of skill. All it really needs to mean is the guy had the 1 week class is using “System Can Opener 3.0” from the vendor… and was issued his “certificate”. Doesn’t make him a master system programmer or white hat hacker… But I didn’t feel compelled to rain on the writers parade based on my opinion when I don’t have the facts of the skill level as known (only as speculated).

    BTW, as an example of what creative folks can do:

    At Apple, we had a 4000+ person RIF (Reduction In Force – layoffs) one year. The HR folks would NOT give me a listing of the people in clear text / computer form. Even on paper they would only give it to me in nearly unreadable black ink on dark oxblood paper (that was deemed impossible to photocopy) each serial numbered. OK, not wanting my guys to type 4000 names by hand with strained eyes… I gave them the paper copy and directions to “find a way”…

    First we ran it through a scanner with settings to ignore the red, then we adjusted the contrast to the extreme, then we had more or less readable scan. Some obvious touch up was done to the scan to remove stray dots and crap. This was put through OCR on the computer (Optical Character Recognition) on it as a document, producing an ASCII Text file. This we then printed out on white paper and did a quick scan for comparison to the Oxblood and fixed any broken conversions (there were nearly none). I then had my guys prepare the scripts to close and archive the accounts of those folks when the file with the list of names was fed in. On lay-off day it took us about 5 minutes to close all the accounts on all of our (half dozen) machines. That day was about 3 weeks after first getting the oxblood copy…

    BTW, on the first week after getting the oxblood copy, (we were having weekly meetings of the layoff coordinating group) when we all pulled out our oxblood copies and folks were squinting at them to pencil in changes… I pulled out my white paper copy (deliberately…) and with a dirty look from HR and wonderment from others around the table said “We can print off other copies if needed… I have it on this floppy” (while holding a 3.5″ diskette up) HR Never refused my requests for clear copy in the future… They learned “It is a very bad idea to annoy the geeks”.. and doesn’t work anyway ;-)

    Even Corporate I.T. had not been able to break the oxblood… but we were part of Advanced Engineering, not I.T. and we could get into the guts of the scanner and “adjust” things…

  54. pouncer says:

    “They learned “It is a very bad idea to annoy the geeks”.. and doesn’t work anyway ;-) ”

    That, as phrased, is about 90% of the way towards being one of those “copybook heading” immortal aphorisms or proverbs that everybody should know and quote. “Work expands to consume the resources available” ; “bureaucrats will be promoted to the level of their incompetency” and very similarly “never mud wrestle a pig …”

    Have you composed or published a more fully polished version somewhere?

  55. Larry Ledwick says:

    One of the other issues with filtering things like thousands of emails is the actual process of digging out relevant emails. My understanding is that when Clinton filtered her emails for appropriate emails to submit as being responsive to the requests is that they simply did key word searches on words that would “likely be appropriate or should be excluded”. It was simply not possible to physically read every email in an archive of thousands of documents and even worse to comprehend what is being said in each email or groups of emails while pulling out subtle twists of phrasing or awkward sentence structure that might hint that something was being hidden or some alias term was used, that those in the know would understand but others would just breeze over.

    It could be that missed emails revealed later were simply missed in the rapid culling process because of search methods used, and only found days weeks months later when someone stumbled on a key email that reveals a search phrase that pulls up a new family of document chains that did not get captured by initial key word searches.

    For example an in group convention to use the term “Our staffing problem” to refer to someone or some group that they were doing something improper with.

    If you don’t use the right key words for searching as we all know from google searches the info can be there in abundance but due to improper selection of key word searches be missed entirely when you do a quick cull of responsive documents out of a massive archive.

    It is only later when hundreds if eyeballs skilled in what is going on physically read each email and something rings some ones warning bell that this phrase keeps appearing in odd sentence structures that you go digging for email chains tied to that magic sauce phrase.

    Then you have really subtle communications methods specifically intended to hide information from such simple search systems like Steganography where information is intentionally hidden inside other file types not likely to be pulled apart for examination for information. For example hiding text comments in the image information of benign images included in emails would be completely missed by normal searching techniques.

  56. E.M.Smith says:


    Nope. It is what it is. “It is a very bad idea to annoy the geek!” is the basic state.


    Yeah, and that’s before you get into LEET, jargon, ergot, and more…

    Like “we need to do a 302″… or on the street with “You like to have a party?”. Or just SWIMBO… as in “SWIMBO said whack a doodle”… She Who Must Be Obeyed said to whack him…

    That’s why in the final round a human must simply read the whole mess.

  57. David A says:

    Thank you E.M. – not just one of the brightest bloggers on the net, but the most responsive!

    Larry says…My understanding is that when Clinton filtered her emails for appropriate emails to submit as being responsive to the requests is that they simply did key word searches on words that would “likely be appropriate or should be excluded”

    Yes, and with the Morodor on the Potomac crowd, looking for dogs, their key word search was likely cats, and they innocently found nothing, and the FBI said Thank you!

  58. E.M.Smith says:

    @David A:

    Someone wants to know “how to” on something, I’m pretty much committed to sharing what I know. That’s why I got a Teaching Credential too. (Community College computer stuff). I enjoy raising other folks skill levels and understanding. It’s like an infinite tub of ice cream where you can scoop some out and give it away, and the tub just gets more full…

    Same basic idea behind the whole free software movement. Everybody gives something away and in return everyone gets a much greater total… Not many things are like that, but software and know-how are.

    Keyword searches are good for a very cursory quick dip, but once you find anything interesting, you must look at all forward and reverse time vectors of that communication chain AND contact trace it AND look at adjacent chains. Basically the key word search just is the handle on the zipper. A place to start the unzipping and opening the chains…

    So, say you search on “debate” and find an email saying “they will provide the questions for the debate”. Then you search the few days before to find what led up to that statement and who was talking to whom about it. Your debate coach or CNN? Then you search a few days after to find “Meeting at 18:00 at Stony Lounge”… and who is on the CC list. A key word search would not turn up that meeting as the place where the deed was done, but the proximity search would.

    Just doing key words doesn’t get you very far.

  59. Another Ian says:


    ” It’s like an infinite tub of ice cream where you can scoop some out and give it away, and the tub just gets more full… ”

    Have you met “The Magic Pudding”?


  60. Another Ian says:

    Start at

    “Won’t let me post the link……go to the front page of Drudge…..left hand column
    “”50 Media Mistakes in the Trump Era: The Definitive List… “””


    Samples and link in the next comment down

  61. Larry Ledwick says:

    From twitter:

    HUGE-IG Horowitz confirms existence of a Grand Jury!

    “We provide a draft copy to DOJ/FBI…to determine whether there’s GRAND JURY, Title 3, classified info & in this case THERE WAS

    At our request DOJ WENT TO COURT & GOT UNSEALING ORDERS so that what you see here is unredacted”

  62. E.M.Smith says:

    @Another Ian:

    Or one could just start at the actual thing linked to:

    Never heard of magic pudding, but it looks interesting…


    A Grand Jury could be nice ;-)

  63. Another Ian says:


    I was giving credit to where I found it there

  64. E.M.Smith says:

    No worries…. and I was just going for the cheap chuckle line…

  65. kneel63 says:

    ” “It is a very bad idea to annoy the geek!” is the basic state.”

    If anyone is collecting them, some of my favorites are:
    “I’d rather answer a dumb question than fix a stupid mistake.”
    “Once is a mistake, twice is a coincidence, three times is looking deliberate”

    Bah! No time ATM…

  66. gallopingcamel says:

    Reports (e.g. the IOG report) are useful but the intent is to protect “Swamp Creatures”. We can’t wait another year for another IOG whitewash report. It is time to speed things up if the DoJ and FBI are going to be cleansed of Obama’s corruption and abuse of power. Clearly Hillary Clinton should have been indicted but most of the lying that is going on relates to protecting Barack Obama.

    Now we need to indict people and convene “Grand Juries”. Lying to the FBI can lead to a jail sentence of up to five years. Can anyone tell me what the maximum sentence is for a FBI or DoJ official who lies in order to investigate anyone connected to the POTUS on “Trumped Up” charges? Honorable people like general Flynn are being ruined while sleazebags connected with Hillary Clinton are given immunity in exchange for………NOTHING.

  67. ossqss says:

    I suspect, with high confidence, that 33,000 emails will surface in our near future. Reminds me of a Doors song about Cats and Rats ;♢》

  68. gallopingcamel says:

    Trump slamming Rosenstein reminds me of the Vince McMahon clip that drove the Left crazy. This video had almost 500,000 views even before I called all my friends!

  69. David A says:

    Galloping…, this cracked me up

    How Trump triggers statists… https://youtu.be/CmZAyMx7vjQ

    The jury on Sessions is still out. Two grand juries likely already in motion. Thousands of sealed indictments. Plus 300 hired at the DOJ. Sessions does not telegraph his moves.

    Trump is fully engaged in an extremely active presidency, and does not appear worried by the attempts to remove him. ( The man’s indefatigable work ethic, and ability to stand unshaken while the world storms around him,is amazing, yet he knows the cards he holds regarding the DOJ, and they appear to be aces.)

  70. gallopingcamel says:

    @David A,
    There are tens of millions who hope that you are right. Given Trump’s nature, sooner or later he will go on offense against the corrupt officials who keep trying to frame him.

    My problem is that I lack Trump’s patience. Given how the rate of revelations is accelerating it may be that there will be a bunch of October surprises in the form of indictments. With so much evidence already made public here are some people who seem to be at risk:

    Jim Comey, Peter Strok and Andrew McCabe……….probable
    Loretta Lynch, Eric Holder, Lois Lerner, John Koskinen, James Clapper, John Brennan………possible
    Robert Mueller, Rod Rosenstein, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama………….unlikely this year, so don’t get your hopes up

    If we can’t prick the “Bubble of Immunity” these people enjoy they will keep on lying to us, stealing from us and ruling us. It is time to restore Lincoln’s quaint idea of “…government of the people, by the people, for the people….”.

    And if all else fails don’t forget what Jefferson said about the “Tree of Liberty”.

  71. cdquarles says:

    That’s what people don’t seem to get with respect to the man that I know, of our current US AG, Honorable Jeff Sessions. Remember, this man took on the KKK and voter fraud. He is known as the “Silent Assassin” and rarely, if I am remembering correctly, lost a case on a technicality. He will never telegraph his moves. He will do a ‘reveal’, if necessary, after the fact, at a time and place of his choosing.

    Of course, the “progessives” have smeared him repeatedly and have tried to frame him (done very early, mind you, when he was an assistant USA DA in the Southern District of Alabama, Mobile, AL. by rather well known, locally, Democrats). They didn’t touch him with respect to honor and integrity, though they did keep him off the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals. They played that book against him, again, with respect to the “Russia” “collusion” to “taint” the election; as if the progressives hadn’t done that themselves. Be aware that Sally Yates was a part of the recusal effort. Naturally, he agreed. [Consider what would have happened, spearheaded by the ‘mainstream’ ‘news’ media. I also think, without full knowledge, that this helped push Sally Yates out of the DoJ.]

    Look, the rot is so bad and has been there so long (I can imagine Jeff Sessions being shocked by it initially), that the public simply must be informed in a manner that is so obvious that the ‘news’ media can’t hide it nor spin it successfully against the people who will have to clean the Augean Stables, if you will. Thus, the kabuki Texas Two-step.

  72. philjourdan says:

    @GC -CD nails it. Trump, regardless of what his twitter persona projects, is not rash. He plays the long game. That has frustrated many politicians, even on his side (and I am not talking Never Trumpers, but real supporters). Even his indignation about Sessions’ recusal is feigned. That is the distraction and he welcomed it! All the while allowing Sessions to quietly go about the job of cleaning out the swamp.

    I will add to what CD said that the old adage seems very true. “Be careful of what you wish for, you just might get it”. The democrats denied Sessions a seat on the courts which would have taken him completely out of the game. By doing so, they created their worst nightmare. An AG that is efficient, effective, and adheres strictly to the law. Once the indictments start being made public, they will see the error of their ways. It is karma. And Trump knew it. That is why he got the job over others more devoted to Trump.

  73. p.g.sharrow says:

    According to person that knows, Sessions has twice tendered his resignation in writing to President Trump and twice been rejected. The Donald knows what he is doing. We should let him run, the swamp creatures are screaming their disdain so he must be on target…pg .

  74. Larry Ledwick says:

    Hmmm looks like the perp walks are not far in the future.

    From twitter:
    JUST IN: @AndyTriay reports Peter Strzok was escorted from FBI building amid disciplinary process. Statement from his lawyer:

  75. Larry Ledwick says:

    From twitter:
    Kyle Cheney
    Follow @kyledcheney

    CONFIRMED: Peter Strzok — who’s been the subject of a daylong congressional hearing about FBI bias — was escorted from FBI headquarters.

  76. Larry Ledwick says:

    Given how SPLC has turned into a polictical club to beat conservatives over the head to fake racism to shut down their counter point to Progressive talking points, this could be a really big deal.

    Like ACORN this could bankrupt them.

    From twitter;
    Maajid – (Mājid) [maːʤɪd] ماجد
    1 hour ago

    Woaaaahhhh: About 60 organisation’s are considering lawsuits against the SPLC

  77. E.M.Smith says:


    One down, 1 million to go…

    Per SPLC: Long ago it managed a take down of the KKK and collected their “property” (head quarters). As though that was the end of things. All it has done is result in more sub-rosa / distributed non-formal non-organization. Oh Well.

    As of now, IMHO, it is mostly just a shake down organization trying to use PC sentiments to collect the assets of others. Nice to see them have a bit of Aikido applied…

    ANYTHING that survives based on intimidation and inducing fear in others is wrong. No matter what side it is on.

  78. gallopingcamel says:

    @cdquarles, philjourdan & p.g.sharrow,
    Thanks for those great comments. I started out thinking that AG Sessions was an honest prosecutor but it bothers me that he supports corrupt officials such as Rod Rosenstein and Andrew Wray.

    I really hope y’all are right and Jeff Sessions will cover himself with glory by indicting people who have committed crimes while closing investigations that have turned up no evidence of criminal activity.

    The notion that nobody is above the law (or below it) can be traced to the “Glorious Revolution” of 1688. The rejection of absolutism (the divine right of kings declared by James I) spared Britain from revolution in the late 18th century. Even so Britain was still ruled by elites during the early 19th century. In 1830 our British ruling elite (with Earl Grey as the Prime Minister) turned away from ruling by force by accepting the radical idea that they were bound by “The Law” just as the rest of British citizens were.

    In the USA today, elites have the same choices that the British elites faced in 1830. Will they subject themselves to the same laws that the vast majority of US citizens obey? If the elites grant themselves immunity they are no longer fit to rule us and we are headed towards bloody revolution.

  79. Larry Ledwick says:

    If this checks out to be true, things could get really really ugly.

    Two possibilities come to mind:

    The NSA or someone has access to all that data and there will be a major RIF and incarceration of dozens of senior FBI and CIA officials (the senior leadership of both organizations appear to have been of the same mind and working toward the same behind the curtains Coup end state). The Democrats will try to sell such a house cleaning as a Stanlinesque purge.

    Either the whole house of cards collapses or we enter an under cover civil war between various branches of government and power players (some would argue that we are already there) which could lead to very bad outcomes up to and including a full out Civil War II or the equivalent to the Bolshevik revolution (which eventually led to open civil war)

    This is completely uncharted territory for the US, although it would put flesh on the bones of some of teh JFK era assassination theories that it was an inside job.

    This sort of thing is right out of Tom Clancy novels and very hard to believe, although some of the corruption in government I was aware of in the 1990’s makes me grit my teeth and with tight jaws say “well yeah it just might be possible that we have gone that far down this road” Perhaps even to the point that there is no going back.

    Does anyone else think we may have crossed the Rubicon of government corruption and it is a lost cause, the only question being what the price will be when it all shakes out?

    The other outcome is like the Mob and the KKK, you can eventually break any evil organization or at least push it into a corner where it is not a fatal cancer to the body politic if the right people make the right moves, and a large fraction of the people support the house cleaning.

  80. E.M.Smith says:

    There is the theory that the CIA was in the business of overthrowing governments and assassinating people, so JFK (once the Bay Of Pigs / Cuban Missile Crisis put us 5 minutes from nuclear W.W.III…) was just another operation in that model… And we’ve lived in a world of their making ever since. I do find it an odd thing that the folks “running things” have had insider connections OR had a V.P. with insider connections ever since… I can’t find any evidence that proves it is NOT the case. (Negative space analysis…)

    The simple fact that all real information was sealed until everyone involved would be dead “for the good of the nation” speaks loudly…

    Then for Trump to be trying to clean that up… after 50 years of slowly increasing rot (as all secret organizations and Central Authority powers eventually rot…); well, let’s just say I worry for his health… If “something happens to him”, the result will not be good. For about 1/3 of the nation he’s the last chance for peaceful correction of the system. Even I was voting for him on a “fix it or break it” basis. ( Bernie was my “break it” candidate… but the DNC fraud took him out).

    I do HOPE that it has all be above board and honest, but there’s precious little evidence of that.


    Well, we’re going to find out who is above the law and who is not.

    If the Clinton Cartel gets a free pass, then we know “some folks are more equal than others”… They have clearly violated laws that put others in prison. That Submarine Driver who took a selfie just so he could remember his honorable service driving the sub (for years) comes to mind. ZERO intent and nearly ZERO risk of any real damage from a picture of him at a steering wheel. Since that got him roasted and toasted, Ms. Hillary and “classified in the clear” email ought to result in prison too. Until those scales are balanced it is clearly a case of unequal justice.

  81. E.M.Smith says:

    BTW, per the FBI “missing text messages”: Just ask the NSA for their copy… We know they have it.

  82. philjourdan says:

    @G.C. – Being a colonial, my knowledge of English history is not good. So I do appreciate your perspective and education on the subject. While I have often commented that the US is better when it comes to free speech, it is clear, at least at this point, that the UK is better at holding all subjects to the law equally than the current US.

    @Larry – Slight disagreement on your “Civil War II”. While the war between the States was called a “Civil War”, it lacked a key aspect of the definition of a civil war. And that is the south never tried to usurp the government of the north. In other words, it was not a war of control over a country, as civil wars are defined. So this is (or will be if you are more optimistic) the first true US Civil war.

    @E.M. – Trump is very smart. But the one thing he cannot get away from is a political assassination. It is a fear I have had from the start, especially with the naked hatred and irrationality of the left. The question then becomes, will an assassination make him a Martyr and allow for the completion of his goals? Or the final nail in the coffin of freedom in the country?

  83. David A says:

    @G.C. I hope I am correct as well, yet in truth I simply do not know.

    The ” deep state” is very deep. There is evidence on both sides.
    If you were going after the DS – CIA. / FBI / POLITICIANS / JUDGES / MEDIA etc… How would you assemble the evidence, squire unbiased judges, infiltrate the operatives wage the battle of public perception, etc… The theory of a planned silent assassin infiltration of the operatives fits some of what we know. Trump has had long and deep connections to the US military as well for a long time.

  84. gallopingcamel says:

    Did the “Deep State” kill John F. Kennedy? You can’t blame people for asking that question given that the release of the relevant documents has been delayed once again. The Truth must be really bad if the American people can’t handle it fifty five year later!

    If Trump is assassinated the odds are 90% that the “Deep State” planned it just as they planned what they hoped would be a bloodless coup using the DoJ (Sally Yates, Rod Rosenstein), the CIA (John Brennan), the DNI (James Clapper) and the FBI (Comey, McCabe, Strzok and many more).

    If none of these people are indicted it will be clear evidence that the “Deep State” has granted itself immunity.

  85. E.M.Smith says:


    I was going to complain that a Civil War could be between any groups or areas of the country… but then I realized that hinges on what you think of the legality of the Confederate States declaration they had left the Union.

    IF that is accepted as effective, then it was a war between 2 nations, and not a civil war. As they thought they had left, even had a President and currency, from that POV it can not be a civil war.

    From the Union POV, they were not allowed to leave, so it was a civil war against the renegade leaders…

    The “War Between The States” southern usage vs “Civil War” northern usage. (Or “The War of Northern Aggression” that also has some merit given who invaded whom).

  86. cdquarles says:

    Hmm, and maybe I am wrong about this, but I am remembering the aftermath of the attempt on Ronald Reagan and that I think that the Secret Service likes Donald Trump. Right now, an attempted assassination on our President is very unlikely, I think, though not impossible. If successful, the Left will really wake the dragon. If unsuccessful, that’ll likely generate enough sympathy among Rs to get them to support President Trump even more. (Since John F. Kennedy and his brother Robert, have there been assassination attempts against ‘old school’, pre-new left, Democrats? NB. George Wallace does not count, here, since he was a real maverick and virtually no-one, today, really knows who George Wallace, the man, was. Also be aware that the ‘stand at the schoolhouse door’ was completely staged. Nothing about it, as known today, is the full truth.

  87. Larry Ledwick says:

    Well we are starting to see some major indictments getting unsealed – this is a biggy on corruption.

    From twitter: (all posts by same user)
    10 minutes ago
    Federal Grand Jury Indicts West Virginia Supreme Court of Appeals Justice
    Supreme Court Justice Charged with Obstruction of Justice and other federal Crimes

    CHARLESTON, http://W.Va . — United States Attorney Mike Stuart announced today that West Virginia Supreme Court of Appeals Justice Allen H. Loughry II, 47,of Charleston, West Virginia, was charged by a federal grand jury in a 22-count Indictment that was unsealed today. Loughry is a Justice on the West Virginia Supreme Court of Appeals, who was elected in November 2012 and sworn in on January 1, 2013.

    The 22-count Indictment charges Loughrywith numerous fraud, false statements, and witness tampering offenses.

    “A federal grand jury has charged a Justice on the state’s highest court with numerous and serious federal crimes,” said United States Attorney Mike Stuart.
    “This is a solemn day for all West Virginians. On this day—West Virginia Day—the people of our great state deserve better. They have worked too hard and too long to tolerate misconduct that strikes at the heart of the public’s trust by their elected officials.
    I intend to do all that I can to ensure that our people have the honest government they deserve.”

    Loughry is accused of using a government vehicle and submitting mileage claims for reimbursement; using a government vehicle and credit card on personal trips;
    & unlawfully converting to his own use a historically significant piece of furniture – a Cass Gilbert desk. Justice Loughry was also indicted for attempting to corruptly obstruct and influence testimonial evidence of a Sup. Court employee in an imminent grand jury investigation.

    “Public corruption is a top investigative priority for the FBI,” said Assistant SAiC Nick Boshears. “It erodes public confidence and undermines the Rule of Law. We want the people we serve to know the FBI will hold those accountable who betray the public’s trust.”
    This morning, at approximately 7:30 a.m., Justice Loughry was arrested at his home by the FBI and brought to the Robert C. Byrd Courthouse in Charleston, West Virginia for processing and to schedule arraignment.

    The arrest of Justice Loughry was without incident and it is not expected he will be detained pending trial in this matter.
    “For the past several weeks, public officials across West Virginia have been quick to condemn Justice Loughry, perhaps with the hope that the crisis in public confidence with the Supreme Court could be expediently resolved by lodging all culpability on just one person –Justice Loughry,” said United States Attorney Mike Stuart. “That may or may not, however, be the case. Our work continues on many fronts, including additional areas of corruption. I urge public officials and the public to respect this process and allow the process to play out.”

    “I want to praise the hard and thorough work of several law enforcement partners, agencies and individuals,” said United States Attorney Mike Stuart. “The amazing work of the FBI, the West Virginia Legislative Commission on Special Investigations,the Internal Revenue Service—Criminal Investigation Division, and Assistant U.S. Attorneys Philip H. Wright, L. Anna Forbes, and Eric Bacaj. Late nights, long weekends, and hours and hours of investigative work – the FBI, WV-CSI, and my prosecutors are to be strongly commended.”

    The 22-count Indictment charges Loughry with sixteen counts of mail fraud (Counts 2, 3, 4-17), which carry a penalty of up to 20 years for each count; two counts of wire fraud (Counts 1 and 18), which carry a penalty of up to 20 years for each count; three counts of making false statements to a federal agent (Counts 19-21), which carry a penalty of up to 5 years for each count; and one count of witness tampering (Count 22), which carries a penalty of up to 20 years.

    If convicted on all counts in the Indictment, Loughry faces a possible sentence of up to 395 years in prison, a fine of $5.5 million, and a term of supervised release of up to 3 years.

    [ I take this as a warning shot across the bow of corrupt government officials in all jurisdictions. It also possibly explains those 30,000 + sealed indictments. It looks to me that President Trump’s justice department is pulling this corruption out by the roots, going for the entire infrastructure that allows politically motivated legislation from the bench to happen. ]

    The next few months may be very very interesting.

  88. E.M.Smith says:


    As an “exemplar” it is an interesting one. False statements and self dealing at the core of it. Then aimed at cleaning the Judicial House. One wonders just how much more prone to self dealing and lying might the ‘well connected’ be… and especially those in the Clinton’s Corner racket…

    I’d say it looked like a big broom was getting ready to do some sweeping, but it’s sounding a bit more like a giant Hoover Vacuum with a jet turbine winding up! (A fella can hope ;-)

  89. E.M.Smith says:


    The “problem” is that it only really takes one actor and any of several kinds of common access sites. Look at the way Kim Jong Un had the guy whacked at the airport. Leveraged a couple of girls to put toxin on his skin. A drone with a supersoaker or even just popping a “water balloon” in the right place would be enough.

    I do think the Secret Service have gotten to know the man enough to realize he’s the real deal and very much on their side. Just the fact that he gives them a real heart felt salute on and off the plane and helicopter has to make an impact after “limp wrist wave” Obama.

    So I’m not so much worried about “some nut with a gun” as I am about professionally trained TLA folks with skilz, methods, and access… Hopefully the S.S. is worried enough about them too.

    I’m sure Pence is a nice guy and all, but I don’t see him able to get this much done this fast while taking as much “heat for nothing” as POTUS Trump has done. I think, unfortunately, that Trump is one of those “Him and only him” folks that just can’t be replaced. That makes him a prime target for those who’s oxen are being gored. I hate the need to consider such things, but we know “the other side” is quite happy with dirty tricks and law breaking…

  90. cdquarles says:

    True that. Still … I’d be more worried about someone within the Secret Service, than TLA types outside of it. That’s why I pray for our President and his family, every day.

  91. Larry Ledwick says:

    You know it is getting hard to write these incidents off as coincidence.

    FBI agent who was to testify on Clinton and Obama malpractice and corruption in the “Operation Fast and Furious” cover-up before a US Federal Grand Jury, has been found dead at his home.

    He and his wife shot with his gun and he was stabbed multiple times – – Obviously an accidental discharge accident. ( /sarc )


    If I had to make a guess one of the Mexican cartel types covering tracks but this sort of thing seems to follow Hillary around like a love sick puppy.

  92. p.g.sharrow says:

    @Larry; The Clintons are deep into this, but this Dark State is a much older cancer then you might think. It has been centered in the State Department since the days of Hamilton.. The present CIA has been a rouge operation from it’s first week of existence. The Clintons joined this “Club” when Bill was AG of Arkansas and the CIA needed cover for their operations with the CONTRAs and the Cocaine drug lords out of the Mena air field. This child trafficking might be the “Hook” that glues the thing together. You have to meet the “Clubs” indoctrination standards to join and then are “locked” in because of your involvement. The Romans had something similar for their elite group…pg

  93. Another Ian says:

    “Do Not Look Away – Hollywood “Celebrities”, Deviants and Predators, Continue Showcasing Democrat Ideology…”


  94. Larry Ledwick says:

    Day two of the IG testimony highlights (or low lights as you prefer)


  95. E.M.Smith says:

    Were I running things, I’d pick someone who ought to have been in a position to “know things” and announce that he is going to testify next Thursday (say).

    Then I’d put a very select surveillance team on his house, his work, and places in between. Including snipers. I’d also put a tap on his phone and email. Now if he says to people he will NOT talk about {whatever} you know it exists. If he looks nervous, you approach him 3 or 4 days before the scheduled “testimony” day and let him know he can have immunity and protection detail; then station some undercovers inside and outside his home and wait…

    I’d lay odds that with a good selection of person, and a vetted secret from ALL agencies team, this trap would catch some very highly skilled assassin at work… Then you get to work back up the food chain…

    One or two dead is a coincidence. 50 is an organized slaughter.

  96. Larry Ledwick says:

    Apparently this is a private case filing but it could go somewhere if it gets even a little traction.

  97. E.M.Smith says:

    RICO! Now we’re talkin’!!!

  98. gallopingcamel says:

    That Gary Byrne lawsuit is news to me. No doubt the Yellow Stream Media will ignore it as they will ignore Mr. Byrne’s convenient suicide.

    I like Chiefio’s idea of tethering a goat with the aim of capturing the hit man or team. It seems I have been watching too many movies like “Enemy of the State”:

    I really like Gene Hackman in this movie.

  99. gallopingcamel says:

    We are starting to sound a little crazy on this thread but two days ago Roger Stone appeared on Fox News explaining how an FBI operative with a violent crime background in Russia contacted him under a false name (Greenburg):

    You can’t make this stuff up!

  100. gallopingcamel says:

    I believe the revelations in the IG report are merely the “Tip of the Iceberg”.

    Even though the scandal is already Watergate times ten there is much more to come.

  101. JoNova says:

    Be careful. The Raynor death story looks like either a mistake or a false flag. (Like the Time Magazine “doctored” cover story that is used to fog out the real 1970 covers).

    It occurred in March, not June, and news outlets said he was due to testify at his *Divorce Trial*, and I can find no link to any reputable source about a connection to the Clintons.

    Unless someone can find some real links or refs (I can’t), assume this is fake news.

    Hypothetically, this story could turn out to be a convenient way to mock anyone who raises the topic of the Clintons and suspicious suicides. I see fog coming.

    Expect SNOPES to debunk this any day now…

  102. David A says:

    Thank you Jo. I saw this debated a bit at CTH.

  103. gallopingcamel says:

    We love you JoNova!

  104. Another Ian says:

    More melting pot?

    ““The U.S. Supreme Court gave presidents more control over key jobs in federal agencies on Thursday, ruling that the way the Securities and Exchange Commission selected in-house judges who enforce investor protection laws violated the U.S. Constitution.

    The justices agreed with President Donald Trump’s administration that the SEC, in having low-level staff install administrative law judges, infringed upon powers given to the president in the U.S. Constitution’s “appointments clause” regarding the filling of certain federal posts.”

    More there


  105. philjourdan says:

    “Expect SNOPES to debunk this any day now…”

    Snopes is not a reliable site. Their favorite tactic is to label an opinion as “unproven”. Opinions are not facts, so why is Snopes even commenting on them? The second thing they do is ignore it. The lie of omission. Occasionally, when the heat is really on, they will actually print an outright falsehood to support the left. There have been several documented on that site.

    Like most all fact checking sites, they think that opinions are facts and if you do not agree with their opinion, then you are wrong.

  106. E.M.Smith says:

    “if you do not agree with their opinion, then you are wrong.”

    Or often if you do not agree with their opinion you are lying.

    I’ve seen that behaviour a lot from many sides. It’s like they say chocolate is the best flavor and you say you like raspberry more, get accused of lying. How can an opinion be a lie? Or say “I believe that things are like this” and get accused of lying about the facts. How can a belief be a lie. It IS what you believe. It might be in error (not matching reality) but it is your belief.

    @Jo Nova:

    Thanks for the heads up. There’s a lot of error, deception, and “over enthusiastic” enhancement of stories “out there”. It pays to double check and vet stories.

    I know some folks just love to start rumors just to stir the pot. Even if not malicious in intent. Just like to shake the cage and watch folks run around. Part of why I have the ‘laid back’ style I have and generally don’t get excited about “hot news”. Nothing is known until well vetted, until then it’s just “an interesting story”.

    @Another Ian:

    IMHO, the Clinton / Obama cartel was playing a lot of “angles” and often via some kind of warped reverse-psych kind of play. The gun running to drug cartels, for example. I suspect something similar with the “Russia Did It” game. Use the Russians as bogie man to damage whoever then wanted to damage. Do some dirty tricks and point at the Russians as cover. Then Trump won.

    So the gun running got caught, and blew up in their faces. Then the whole “Russia Did It” narrative is starting to unravel. They were sure that with a few “set up” meetings of random Russians with some folks on the Republican side, that they could get enough slime going to sink folks. Didn’t expect the Trump team to keep refusing to accept the “good Russian dirt”…

    Who knows how many similar plots they ran that did work.

    What’s very clear is that what is the surface story with the Clintons & Obama is not the story.

  107. Another Ian says:

    “Now It All Starts Making Sense – Deep State “Fixer”: Henry John Kerner, The Cover-Up Expert….”


  108. Larry Ledwick says:

    Interesting to note that it is very hard to find any images of Kerner. This is the only one I have been able to find so far.

  109. gallopingcamel says:

    The Lawfare in the US is probably much worse than we think. Look what has already happened in Belgium and the UK in connection with child sex trafficking. The Catholic church is not the only powerful organization that protects pedophiles.

    WARNING! View this at your own risk………….it may cause nausea and disgust.

    This may explain why people like Katie Hopkins and Tommy Robinson are subjected to persecution by a weaponized “Justice” system.

  110. Larry Ledwick says:

    The FBI is finally satisfying outstanding requests for information the Congress (with a few remaining outstanding requests). They are searching through thousands of documents and using a custom search tool ( ie grep or mysql query or similar I suspect) to extract responsive documents.


  111. gallopingcamel says:

    @Larry Ledwick,
    LOL! If they are using such powerful tools how can it take seven months to produce 10% of the documents?

    My laptop would not take that long!

    The first basic principle of oversight is that the auditee provides all relevant documents to independent auditors. The second principle is that the auditors decide which documents are relevant.

    In this case the auditors are congressional committees. Given that the oversight committees have the appropriate security clearances there is no need for editing other than to protect covert sources. The inevitable conclusion is that the FBI, DoJ, State Department and others are engaged in cover ups under the guise of protecting national security.

    The cover up is usually a worse crime than what they are trying to hide.

  112. jim2 says:

    “Democrats Getting Back To Their Roots”

    Does this mean we should invest in sheets?

  113. H.R. says:

    jim2: “Does this mean we should invest in sheets?”

    Now Democrats can run on We have a plan to bring back textile manufacturing.

  114. jim2 says:

    OK, for something on a more serial note. I heard a guy on the radio, don’t remember who. He was talking about what had to happen to pry Mexico out of the hands of the narco-cartels. His first step was to declare the major cartels terrorists. I think a case could be made for that given the volume of drugs they smuggle and the human trafficking.

    It got me wondering why that hasn’t happened already.

    Good night!

  115. E.M.Smith says:

    Want to end the Drug Cartels? Make the drugs they push legal at the pharmacy with a Doctors report of medically sound. (i.e. not going to pop off from a heart condition if they try cocaine ) in known purity and proper dose.

    The same people will still end up using, but less dying and more likely to go to rehab… and the cartels run out of money.

  116. jim2 says:

    Legalizing drugs is my preferred path also. Having them illegal does more harm than good as those who want them get them. But, it’s obvious it ain’t gonna happen.

    Maybe the war path is more palatable to those in power – declare the cartels terrorist organizations, then kick butt. I think I found the guy. From the article:

    As a terrorist organization, the U.S. could go after the corrupt politicians that protect them, the banks that funnel their money and other entities that the criminal organizations rely on. The measure is the same that authorities eventually did with narco-terrorist in Colombia such as the FARC, he said. While there are drug cartels like the Sinaloa Federation that tend to leave the public alone for the most part, in the case of the Gulf Cartel and Los Zetas, the brutality with which those cartels victimize the innocents is enough to warrant the tittle.

    I found he heads up Breitbart Texas. Pretty scary stuff.

  117. E.M.Smith says:

    Several States and Canada have legalized pot. On the news here was that the State Tax revenues were far less than expected. “Why” kind of shocked me. (As it was so stupid given the widespread understanding of, or at lest awareness of, the Laffer Curve)

    Seems legal pot is going for about $75 / ounce of bud (IF i heard the blurb right) of which about $40 is taxes. They had one lady on who said her husband had “restless leg syndrome” and had gone to growing his own as the price was so high. IIRC you can grow something like a half dozen plants. That’s way more than one person could ever use, IMHO. The stuff is trivial to grow (it is called ‘weed’ for a reason). A 4 foot shop light over a section of floor is all it takes to grow enough pot in pots. (done it).

    How they thought they could juice the price so much and not have folks go the DIY route is just a mystery to me. I’ve got enough money I could buy if I was so inclined, but that price is enough to put me off even thinking about it. I’d bum a few seeds and start a grow first. (Then again, I like growing plants and things…)

    In any case, we’re already doing the legalization route. Slowly. Painfully. Stupidly. But it’s happening.

  118. p.g.sharrow says:

    I have heard of cannabis bud prices of as low as $400 a pound to growers here in California. Too cheap to produce or smuggle in from Mexico. That is a 90% reduction in a dozen years and It could drop in half again without government controls. As always prohibition is the friend of organized crime…pg

  119. gallopingcamel says:

    While Latin American drug cartels may be a huge problem “Big Pharma” is an even greater threat to the American people. Opioid deaths in the USA amount to ~115 per day (compare to automobile fatalities at ~100 per day).

    How many of those opioid deaths are caused by “Big Pharma” drugs such as Oxycontin? My guess is more than 50% but maybe some of you have actual data.

    Even if “Big Pharma” is responsible to 50% of the opioid deaths in the USA, that is only a tiny part of the harm that they inflict on the public. Starting in 2012, the price of hundreds of drugs sky-rocketed by factors of 100 or more. Millions of sick people had to choose between food or medicine and I am one of them.

    I suffer from psoriasis and use a tube of Clobetasol Propionate 0.05% ointment per month. In 2012 each tube cost $0.90. Today the same tube costs $249.05 at Walmart! It was not a problem for me to pay $10.80 per year for this ointment but today the cost is $2988.60 and that is a serious problem.

    How can this be explained? Most of the evil in this world can be traced to GREED……follow the money.

    Clobetasol Propionate 0.05% ointment, prices ($), May 2018, 60 gram tubes

    Vendor $
    Walmart (New Hope Commons) 249.05
    Walmart (on-line, with coupon) 138.63
    Canadian on-line pharmacy 40.00
    Oxford on-line pharmacy (UK) 9.99
    Sfarma (Bogota, Colombia) 7.94
    US wholesale price, 2012 0.90

    Active ingredient (Wholesale)
    Wholesale price = $1,250/kg or 0.0375 per tube

    How can something cost 20 to 30 times more in the USA than elsewhere?
    How can all seven FDA approved manufacturers raise prices 100 fold in 6 years?
    How can anyone justify a retail price 6,000 times the active ingredient cost?

  120. gallopingcamel says:

    @ p.g.sharrow,
    “As always prohibition is the friend of organized crime…pg”

    What a profound comment! Likewise the FDA (Federal Drug Agency) and PBMs (Pharmacy Benefit Managers) are friends of “Big Pharma” companies who conspire to drive drug prices through the roof. The present system in the USA rests on “Evil Genius”.

    I hope some of you will take the time to view this video from Owen Sullivan, a pharmacist in Carlinville, Illinois:

  121. p.g.sharrow says:

    Big Pharma in America makes higher profit margins then the Narco Lords could even dream of and they own the police as well. The local pharmacy also takes their cut at 600% markups over wholesale cost. If you actually pay retail for your medical costs in America you are getting Royally screwed. Insurance companies and government agencies only pay the suppliers a percentage of the retail price but Someone has to pay the full retail price. A chore “rich” Americans are getting stuck with. The FDA is fully funded by the pharmaceutical companies and works for them…pg

  122. Larry Ledwick says:

    There is one other player in the drug market most folks don’t think about. The forces of International Communism have openly stated that they are using drugs to break the US, and let us pay for the privileged of being destroyed.

    There is a tight connection between the intelligence services of the major Communist powers and organized crime. It creates natural allies for smuggling, and a gateway to compromise and control the opposition. Plus it generates huge sums of money, almost making subversion a pay as you go operation.


    KGB defector Yuri Bezmenov

    China was manipulated with Opium by the British and they are now returning the favor with opiates like Fentanyl it is literally chemical warfare that we are paying for the privilege or being the victim.

    The Chinese and Russians used drugs against us in Vietnam and the ’60’s drug generation, and we tried to use drugs against them during Iran Contra, but got outed by the South American Communists.

    Now the Islamists are also getting into the game (opium in Afghanistan)

    I would really like to see someone follow the money of Big Pharma back to international connections with the various Evil Bastards.

  123. jim2 says:

    Larry L. I recall talk in the 60’s about China Snow – pure heroin made available to our soldiers courtesy of China.

    My comment about the Mexican cartels wasn’t directed at the drug problem. It would be good for the US to have a better country to our South. A better Mexico would be better for Mexicans and reduce the pressure to migrate to the US. A better Mexico would make a better trading partner. A better Mexico would make the Southern border safer for US citizens.

    Of course, we would be all over their business. But why is it we will go half way around the world to right wrongs but we won’t do that for the good people of our neighbor to the South?

  124. jim2 says:

    More interference from liberal activist judges:

    A federal judge in California ordered the Trump administration to end its migrant family separation policy within 30 days late Tuesday.

    U.S. District Court Judge Dana Sabraw of San Diego issued the preliminary injunction, finding the practice likely violates the Constitution. The decision is not a ruling on the merits of the dispute.


  125. cdquarles says:

    Ah, the stupid … it burns. So is that ‘judge’ going to stop ‘separating’ families of American citizens who commit crimes? No?

    BTW, ‘Judge’, the practice is not only constitutional, it is practical.

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