Incredible Plunging BBC CNN NYT

Well guess what happens when you spend months, years, pissing on your customer and calling them names:

Yeah, BBC to lay off hundreds.

BBC To Layoff 450 News Staff In A Bid To Save $100M
By Jake Kanter

Jake Kanter
International TV Editor
January 29, 2020 6:10am

Then there is CNN:

CNN logged its lowest primetime-viewership ratings in three years during the week of Nov. 25-Dec. 1, attracting an average of 643,000 viewers from 9 to 11 p.m., versus 2.2 million for Fox News Channel and 1.3 million for MSNBC, according to widely reported Nielsen Media Research figures.

Conservatives were quick to blame what they described as CNN’s relentless anti-Trump coverage as well as the House impeachment hearings, which have dominated the news cycle for several weeks.

Note that is prime news hours. About 2/3 Million. That’s approaching vloger level.

The New York Times was 3rd in circulation as recently as 3 years ago. Now? Last statsic I found was about 1/2 million circulation.

Updated January 2020

The following is a list of the largest daily US newspapers in order of circulation.
13. Newsday
Breaking News, data and opinions in business, sports, entertainment, travel, lifestyle, plus much more. is the leading news source for Long Island and NYC.

14. The New York Times
The New York Times Company (NYSE:NYT) is a global media organization dedicated to enhancing society by creating, collecting and distributing high-quality news and information. For more than 150 years, Times readers have expected their newspaper to provide the most thorough and uncompromising coverage in the world. The Times has won more Pulitzer prizes than any other news organization and remains No. 1 in overall reach of U.S. opinion leaders. The company includes The New York Times, International New York Times,, and related properties.

15. The Dallas Morning News

Well at least it beat out the Dallas morning news in last place on the list.

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13 Responses to Incredible Plunging BBC CNN NYT

  1. Graeme No.3 says:

    Just signing up for the NBN here in Oz (landline and almost compulsory), and was offered an
    add-on package including CNN, BBC and the NYT. Didn’t take it up, although I hesitated because it also had the Disney comics.

  2. Bill In Oz says:

    Graeme, They’re free to air, semi commercial free Australian Brainwashing Corporation constantly asks me to sign up for their news and other stuff just by providing them with my email address. !
    I never have; just something else to delete each day or even each hour !

    But as I was driving home tonight I pondered about a noisy lobbying mob here called “Friends Of The ABC”…It struck me that this implies that the ABC here has enemies..Why else would it need a Friends group to go into battle for it ?

    And I pondered if it was indeed ‘OUR ABC’ for ALL Australians, it would have no enemies !

  3. tom0mason says:

    The problems with the BBC started back in the 1980-1990 when they inflated their internal bureaucracy, so to pay for it started to get rid of all it’s technical services (engineering, technical research, and the outside broadcast and transmitter departments). They farmed them out to private Co. then contracted (rented) back what they needed. This initially gave them some money to squander on more paper-shufflers and some programs making, however the subsequent UK Governments (and the national financial problems) through the 1990-2010s held the TV tax (aka license fee @ £145/household) and negotiated no real rise for the BBC — in fact they lost some money to the UK’s Channel4 who get part of the TV tax.
    The BBC’s response was to do the same with some of the program making, so out went the Bristol studios that specialized in groundbreaking documentaries about nature, and many other smaller specialized TV and radio production facilities.
    Now what is left is what is LEFT — the rump of socialist admin types who ride a desk, commissioning programs and vote themselves pay rises. A clique of overpaid metropolitan lefties who contract hire like-minded writers, journalists, broadcasters, and program-makers, and are unable to respond to the needs, wants and wishes of the UK public.
    According to their charter, the BBC is mandated to Inform, Educate, and Entertain (note the order) — IMO they fail at all three. see for a copy of the charter where it says …

    The Public Purposes
    The Public Purposes of the BBC are as follows.

    (1) To provide impartial news and information to help people understand and engage with t he world around them: the BBC should provide duly accurate and impartial news, current affairs and factual programming to build people’s understanding of all parts of the United Kingdom and of the wider world. Its content should be provided to the highest editorial standards. It should offer a range and depth of analysis and content not widely available from other United Kingdom news providers, using the highest calibre presenters and journalists, and championing freedom of expression, so that all audiences can engage fully with major local, regional, national, United Kingdom and global issues and participate in the democratic process, at all levels, as active and informed citizens.
    (2) To support learning for people of all ages: the BBC should help everyone learn about different subjects in ways they will find accessible, engaging, inspiring and challenging. The BBC should provide specialist educational content to help support learning f or children and teenagers across the United Kingdom. It should encourage people to explore new subjects and participate in new activities through partnerships with educational, sporting and cultural institutions.
    (3) To show the most creative, highest quality and distinctive output and services:
    the BBC should provide high-quality output in many different genres and across a range of services and platforms which sets the standard in the United Kingdom and internationally. Its services should be distinctive from those provided elsewhere and should take creative risks, even if not all succeed, in order to develop fresh approaches and innovative content.

  4. Gary says:

    Careful! Careful! …. Nuts!
    But! But! …. Crap!

  5. Nancy & John Hultquist says:

    As a kid, our family got 3 TV stations — all free.
    Further, we could not fast-forward through the commercials.
    Now there are many alternatives to the TV and print sources.
    Just as malls and department stores needed to adjust to a new environment,
    if they were too slow or made the wrong moves (Sears!), they don’t often get a second chance.
    ‘tom0mason’ describes how the BBC stumbled in the attempt to adjust, and put their elite
    ideology over the mandate.
    A football analogy: It is late in the 4th quarter, can they make a come-back?

  6. Kneel says:

    “…although I hesitated because it also had the Disney comics.”

    Get a geo-unblocker service (ie, ) and have a look at – plenty of Disney and other kids stuff, news channels (inc RT USA), movies etc. Sure, plenty of rubbish, but about on par with most pay TV stuff here in Oz, just less of the “new” stuff. Still, more than 200 channels now…
    The unblocker is only about $US50 p.a. – much cheaper. And allows you to get US netflix content as well.

  7. Compu Gator says:

    Top 15 U.S. Newspapers by Circulation Updated January 2020
    The following is a list of the largest daily US newspapers in order of circulation.
    2. Tampa Bay Times []
    Founded in 1884 as the West Hillsborough Times, the Tampa Bay Times is Florida’s largest newspaper. It has chronicled the Tampa Bay region’s growth with outstanding journalism, winning 10 Pulitzers and numerous other awards along the way.

    Whoa! Now there’s a national shocker!

    I think it’s really the merger of the Tampa Tribune (morning daily that long ago absorbed the afternoon Tampa Times) and the St. Petersburg Times. How ironic that the latter was once owned by the N.Y. Times; I must’ve missed a later divestiture.

    The Tampa–St. Petersburg–Clearwater Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) is not even in the Top 15 U.S. MSAs by population; it’s ranked down at 18th [#]. Wikipedia shows the MSA population per the U.S. Bureau of the Census as 3,030,936 (2010), and recent estimate 3,142,663 (2018).

    Note #: [].

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  9. philjourdan says:

    #Graeme #3 – If they throw in an an egg roll, will that make it worth it? LOL

  10. Fred Streeter says:

    I do so hope that the clip’s sniggering idiot is not a typical US right wing current affairs presenter.

    If so, I shall stick with the written word – twice as much information in a tenth of the time.

  11. Graeme No.3 says:

    Thank you Kneel and philjourdan:
    I was being facetious implying that the intellectual content of the combined BBC & CNN (& the NYT) would have been raised by a few Disney products (Goofy comes to mind).

  12. E.M.Smith says:


    If you are talking about Dr. Steve Turley in the video embedded in the article, do realize that he is British, not American, so cannot be a “Right Wing American” anything. Oh, and note his “Dr.” Title. “Idiot” he is not. As per “sniggering”, well, we have much to snicker about.

    Finally: some folks like video best, others prefer audio, some work best with print. (Basic multimodal education theory) My goal is to provide all three, when possible, so individuals may choose. It is pointless to complain that you do not like what is served to others. This is a buffet, take what you like from the table, but don’t look at the other person’s choice and cast spittle at it.

  13. The concept of TV tax/licence is so foreign to me. If they are “public” channels, which are supposed to be free, then why is there a “TV tax”? If there is this TV tax, then there should Not be any commercial advertising during TV programs.

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