The video also mentions another antimalarial that is also looking like it works. Tefenoquine. More on that below, but first, Ivermectin.
In use in Bangladesh, Ivermectin with Doxycyline given early has 98% success at curing Chinese Wuhan Covid-19 in over 400 patients in 4 to 14 days. Some with comorbidities did go to ICU and 2 died (even with remdesivir and serum treatments).
They have started a double blind trial that ought to complete in about a month.
India has approved Itolizumab & Tocilizumab for covid-19 use. Another case of an immune suppressing arthritis drug and an anti malarial. Looks like a pattern to me. But an Italian study found Tocilizumab didn’t benefit. Maybe more folks discovering that real morbidity is under 1% (so given early means your sample is biased to more low symptom folks) or maybe more poorly done trials to make Gilead happy, packed with folks about to die and dosed wrong? Who knows….
I’ll be adding some Ivermectin links in comnents below as I work through my bookmarks.
Musings from the Chiefio 
This sort of fits here
“The Push To Discredit HCQ”
https://realclimatescience.com/2020/08/the-push-to-discredit-hcq/
“One Flu Out Of The Wuhan Nest”
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/index.php/2020/08/01/one-flu-out-of-the-wuhan-nest-12/
Warning on links
“WIV is Wuhan Institute of Virology. If you poke around in the replies and links, you’ll find a morning’s coffee worth of discussion, including this thread by Alita Chan. As a reminder, Yuri Deigin is the author of this Medium post of April, which if you haven’t read yet I recommend. But be warned, that will take a morning pot’s worth of coffee.”
Take your B-12 and Magnesium too…
https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/supplements-singaporean-researchers-say-that-vitamin-d,-magnesium-and-vitamin-b12-combo-may-reduce-severity-in-older-covid-19-patients
Links to:
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.01.20112334v2
General ivermectin info:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3043740/
Misc links:
https://www.worldhealth.net/news/ivermectin-displaying-promising-results/
Looks to me like both work with only a little difference. 3.6%. Then again, I’ll take the 100% please ;-)
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.06.20124461v2?fbclid=IwAR0N6pVNnHBj2xE0p3r627PMQ6wzGh_1PeN03vO4x7ldFZO44WTcAycdoX4
https://medicaldialogues.in/medicine/news/doxycycline-and-ivermectin-combo-may-be-new-effective-covid-19-treatment-65868
Another dewormer medication looks promising to U.T. Pharmacy folks:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niclosamide
https://www.trialsitenews.com/broward-county-doctor-using-ivermectin-off-label-combo-on-covid-19-patients-it-is-working-secures-county-health-protocol-approval/
https://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/05/11/whats-up-with-ivermectin
https://www.trialsitenews.com/category/ivermectin/
A load of limks in it…
https://www.jpost.com/health-science/israeli-researcher-anti-parasitic-drug-could-cure-coronavirus-631526
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04422561
Looking at prophylactic use in exposed family& contacts:
https://www.newsmax.com/us/ivermectin-drug-virus/2020/05/22/id/968688/
Interesting that I saved the link a while ago, but it shows todays date. Updated? But an older date in the article propet, so maybe jyst mssthead date?
https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04373824
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04438850
Oh, and the in vitro test that was the start of it all:
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220302011
“The FDA-approved drug ivermectin inhibits the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in vitro”
I think that’s all, but if I run into more I’ll put it here.
The COSTCO multi-tablet has Zink, B12, and Vit-D. Not a lot of the D. I add a D3 pill (2000 units). We don’t eat much of those things high in D, and get very little exposure to sunlight.
Vitamin D deficiency in US adults is a serious issue, much ignored.
My wife is loaded up on meds because of heart issues. If either of us show signs of virus/flu there will be quick and serious discussion with the pros. Our first contact is a young lady with 6+ years of being a Physician Assistant under several different doctors. I guess there is an MD at the clinic, but it has been 3 years since I’ve seen one and this one has been in-house less than 2 years.
We have experience with Ivermectin as a horse wormer. Works well for them.
_ _ _ _
The U. S. medical folks were ill prepared for this virus, or similar.
Too bad all the money was shunted off to CO2 related things, such as wind mills, solar-pv, and mirrors. Not to mention pallets of cash to Iran, and millions to the UN’s green slush fund.
It is enough to make a person angry.
I ran into Ivermectin via my rabbits and trying to fix an intracellular parasite they get. Did my deep dive on it and then, later, used the drench on myself when I had a non-resolving rash that I figured was a tropical bug; but my MD said it couldn’t be since I’d not been to the tropics…. and didn’t care that my neighbor had been, had a rash on his hand, and we’d done the handshake thing…
BTW, the rash left fairly quickly after Ivermectin ( after months of getting worse and spreading. MD had just declared it self induced via scratching and handed me salve…. which did nothing).
Ivermectin appears to interupt some primative pathway essential to primative life forms, but where people & mammals have newer redundant pathways we can use. I had exactly zero side effects from a “sheep dose” rubbed into the skin. (about a cap full of drench. It just soaks in in a minute or two.)
IMHO, most US doctors have little skill with either tropical diseases or parasites, and if you get off page from “the usual” they can’t imagine hoof beats ARE sometimes a zebra, not a horse. Even less educated on history of medicine and just how many plants & fungi are medicinal, and pretty clueless about actual nutrition issues. (Ask them about carbs and heart disease, or vit-C and arterial plaque, or omega 3 vs 6 oils and health… you have high probability of getting the USA Food Pyramid that makes folks sick, the high carb diet that causes diabetes, and the low fat low cholesterol diet instead of keto plus vit-C that eliminates problems.)
Oh Well. When you find one with clue, it is great, so hang on to them when you find one.
For me, personally, I’d much rather use an MD than self treat. But when it becomes clear my 50 hours of a deep data dive on whatever I’ve got exceeds their 4 hours in a class 12 years ago, AND they are unwiling to get updated, well, I’m willing to DIY.
So I spent the money to get an 8 oz. bottle of drench to refresh my stock. I’d used the last dose of the old bunny bottle some weeks back when I had that “cold starting, nose feels inflamed, sparkle feeling in nerves all over, feel off” and just didn’t want to deal with even a regular cold in a pandemic. Yes, it ended that in one day and a bit. Again with zero side effects. One bottle is about 20 treatments so about $1.50 per. I’m willing to have that wasted sitting on the shelf just for the EOTWAWKI inventory of emergency treatments.
IF I get Wuhan Covid, I’ll start with the M.D., but if it is just all “no treatment approved, come back when you need a ventilator” (as it has been…), well, OK, I have options. Gin & tonic for the quinine, doxycycline is easy to get, up the nutrients, daily mushroom omlette & mushroom sautee topper on lamb chops (lamb high in omega-3 fats, short chain fats, and other good things, mushrooms medicinal and antiviral), and, if necessary, a bit of ivermectin drench.
BTW, the medicinal action of mushrooms is fascinating. Any will do, but some are exceptional. IIRC, shiitaki, lions mane, and oyster mushrooms in particular (without getting into the non-commercial exotics like agaricon, cordyceps).
https://bmccomplementmedtherapies.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12906-019-2629-y
Besides, butter sauteed mushrooms taste really good!
So work them into your meal plans on a regular basis Since different compounds are active in different mushrooms, use several kinds. Asian markets have interesting ones and Whole Foods has Lion’s Mane. If nothing else, you get interesting tasty meals and added nutrients.
EM, that is a great roundup of data.
I suggested B12 some time back because my son is B12 deficient which adversely affects his Fibromyalgia.
The evidence is building that the various western world health services have been allowing people to die unnecessarily due to either dogma or for more nefarious reasons like Cash.
@A.C.Osborn:
Yup. I remember your call for B-12. I’ve been taking it since.
I think it telling that the big leaps are comming from doctors in poor lands. They must quickly find a way with what they have. USA and EU doctors seem frozen by legal liability, tied up in government regulatory red tape, and fixated on formal research with publication taking months to years. Then there is all that pharma cash…
They seem to have forgotten that rapid trials, observation, experience, and adoption had worked well enough for centuries. Yes, with higher error rates. But sometimes rapid matters more. When time matters, rapid prototyping and iteration beats pedantry.
EM, unfortunately for me I am allergic to mushrooms, even mushroom sauce has me throwing up in an hour or two.
Oh, and just for completion:
Doxycycline has direct antiviral activity by itself.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26459887/
So be prepared to score doxy from that kid with bad acne ;-)
Or at least to show the article to your M.D. (whom often, here, prescribe doxycycline for everything or just to shut you up…)
@A C Osborn:
I’d be surprised if it is all mushrooms as there are many very divergent species.
OTOH, I can understand the desire to avoid searching the space and potentially a dozen “rejections via ejections”.
With reference to your comment about Doctors in poorer lands vs 1st world.
https://c19study.com/
Also noticed Singapore is referenced more than once, Karl Denniger at the market ticker has been banging on about them reducing their Nosocomial infection rate to zero in March and the rest of the world ignoring as “Not Invented Here Syndrome”
https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=239747
By chance, something good has come out of my diabetes. I have been taking Super-B complex twice a day for a few years. My podiatrist prescribed large doses of all of the B vitamins to prevent degradation of the myelin sheath, which is the cause of a lot of bad foot pain in diabetics.
The B vitamins don’t reverse any damage, but so far, they are the only known treatment to prevent further damage.
So I’m getting lots of B12 as well as all the other Bs.
(The Doc said, “Here’s and Rx for a super B-complex. If your insurance won’t cover it, just go find the strongest over the counter B-complex vitamin you can and take a couple of those per day.”
The Rx was going to be $100+ per month – screw that – so I get a high potency Super B-complex from Costco, dirt cheap.)
Not sure if it has anything to do with these other viral treatments but, I have shingles outbreak from time to time on my feet. At the first sign of blisters I take 1-1000mg Lysine and by morning they are gone for a week or two. Lysine inhibits viral replication.
Our host said: “IMHO, most US doctors have little skill with either tropical diseases or parasites, and if you get off page from “the usual” they can’t imagine hoof beats ARE sometimes a zebra, not a horse. Even less educated on history of medicine and just how many plants & fungi are medicinal, and pretty clueless about actual nutrition issues. (Ask them about carbs and heart disease, or vit-C and arterial plaque, or omega 3 vs 6 oils and health… you have high probability of getting the USA Food Pyramid that makes folks sick, the high carb diet that causes diabetes, and the low fat low cholesterol diet instead of keto plus vit-C that eliminates problems.)”, and this is true, though they should be willing (and don’t the licensing bureaus demand keeping up via continuing education) to ask questions and seek outside consultation and/or do their own research (which is easier than ever today).
Thanks, EM, and commenters for all successful new therapies, supplements, and foods.
When I look for the success, or not, of HCQ in every study, I always look for its use only/mainly at the beginning. Also it must be given with bio-available zinc, which is the virus killer, if it can get access to our cells. For that it needs an ionophore – HCQ’s job. HCQ also “fills” and protects the other organs, as I understand it. Watched a lot of DrBeen and EVMS Dr. Marek’s updated protocols.
EM, I just mentioned your studies on early cultures/civilizations and their rise and fall often associated with climate cycles – at WUWT.
@P.G.:
Interesting… didn’t know about that one. So have your cheeseburger lunch and steak dinner…. and chew on some olive leaves ;-)
https://doctorsnutrition.com/the-natural-antiviral-effects-of-lysine-and-olive-leaf-extract/
https://www.healthline.com/health/lysine-foods#lysine-in-meat
So chilli beans ought to be particularly good, noodles and bread not so much….
Cheese burger and fries good, skip the rice or couscous.
Thìngs to avoid:
https://www.coldsorescured.com/foods-high-in-arginine/
So now I’m wondering if this might also enter into other virus replication and differences in national Chinese Wuhan Covid outcomes.
We have bingo!
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/312115736_D_L-lysine_acetylsalicylate_glycine_Impairs_Coronavirus_Replication
This is where the hysteria has got us, in what must be the most worrying and authoritarian statement ever issued in peace time by any democratically elected western leader
https://www.dhhs.vic.gov.au/updates/coronavirus-covid-19/premiers-statement-changes-melbournes-restrictions
Tonyb
What is missing?
The US being involved in any of this. Thanks to the fake news media and democrats. Such a sad day when 2 groups work for the deaths of Americans instead of saving lives.
A serf in lock-down responding to Tony’s comment onnew restrictions in Oz State of Victoriastan, Agenda 21 in action by our leftist premier. 8pm to 5.am curfew, 1 hour day- light hours to exercise or go to shops Mr Soros plans working nicely.
Came across this, a handy chart. tho’ not complete, leaves out many shady interconnections like Alliance for Global Justice, one of Soros’ top 7 grantees, funding Rise-Up and Anti-Fa.
Hey big spender! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ed7nom6XYAATbZd?format=jpg&name=900x
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ed7nom6XYAATbZd?format=jpg&name=900×900
E.M.Smiths: “We have bingo!”
I am surprised that there were no ripples in the media. There was another study of Aspirin 100 mg. No results posted yet.
https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04365309
Another one
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=avigan&t=ffnt&ia=web
@YMMV:
So aspirin alone helps. Lysine alone helps. Lysine and aspirin in that combo medication with glycine helps (LASAG which when read letter by letter has me thinking Los Angeles Screen Actors Guild :- )
So the necessary conclusion is burger & fries or steak & baked potato with aspirin ought to help too (mushroom topper optional).
The covid therapeutic response by the US is symptomatic of the top-down control espoused by Dimowits everywhere. Our founders saw this flaw hundreds of years ago. We are more technologically advanced, but not one whit smarter. (Political whit mechanics?)
Hey Jim2; Even more scary, half of all people have below average intelligence, And they vote!
PGS – Now there’s a study I would like to see. Find out how the lower half votes. I’m not sure it’s a slam dunk one way or another, although “free stuff here” is pretty easy to understand.
@Jim2 – sadly PGS statement is a truism. Which means it is a mathematical certainty,
@nessimmersion & pyromancer76:
Please forgive my being slow to approve your comnents at:
I’d not checked “moderation” for a couple of days…
@nessimmersion: you r link on HCQ is effective.
https://c19study.com/
@pyromancer76:
Yeah, WUWT has decided no,Younger Dryas impact could be, so touts any “study” saying “no”: Ignores massive evidrnce for “yes”.
nessimmersion says: 2 August 2020 at 10:44 am
Re Karl Denniger.
There is quite a bit wrong with his spiel, first of all many countries have Mortality rates over 10% for COVID-19, some are around 15% and some are even over it. Mostly because they had no prior experince with Pandemics
Next the Head of the South Korea Pandemic Team stated that Masks were essential, along with gloves and glasses, in addition to hand washing. Because you can catch it via your eyes.
Now who am I going to believe on this, Mr Denniger or the Head of the Pandemic Team that has succesfully led his team through 3 Pandemics?
Singapore – 54,254 cases
South Korea – 14,456 cases
I couldn’t find the prior post for measuring Ivermectin (my wife is getting tested this morning; if she has it, I probably have it asymptomatically. My cousin shot me a concise page (including YouTube) last night… https://www.maximpulse.com/permethrin/ivermectin-calculating-a-dose.html
No apologies required for moderation, it is your blog and time after all.
I have been geting a lot of references from this site, a good collation of current Covid research and evidence.
https://swprs.org/a-swiss-doctor-on-covid-19/
You may well be fully aware of it already, so feel free to remove if I am reposting old knowledge.
The apple flavored ivermectin for horses comes in a large syringe with enough to treat a 1250 pound horse. The syringe plunger is calibrated in 250 pound increments for a 200 ul/kg dose. So, it is easy to figure out from your weight in pounds the proper plunger travel. You can mark it on the plunger and dispense the right amount. You can get it at tractor supply.
@jim2 – That’s exactly what I bought and I got it at Tractor Supply. What surprised me was that it was only $3.99. It’s cheap!
The liquid drench is another story. They had various sizes of it in a locked display case and the smallest bottle, just a couple of ounces, was around $30.00. I suppose the liquids are concentrates and that’s the reason they are so high.
Anyhow, I hope I never find out how tasty the apple flavored Ivermectin actually is :o)
@H.R. I bet you couldn’t tell if mixed with peanut butter…
Ha! Or ketchup. Ketchup drowns the taste of anything.
As kids, our philosophy was, put enough ketchup on it and you can choke down anything. That helped us get through to dessert many a time when mom tried something new on us.
Question: is Ivermectin effective on its own? In combination with Zinc?
The smallest 8 oz. of drench has about 20 people sized doses. So lots in one bottle.
The drug has a very wide range between minimal effective to causes issues and in farm use is often just poured on by eyeball guess. (The Vet. Dr. Pol, has a gallon jug in his truck. In one episode he just poured an ounce or two on a horse straight from the jug in a rapid slosh…)
Drugs are usually “weight per kg of patient” so read your tube or bottle and compute. For my drench, it was about 10 ml to 30 ml depending on your size.
Example human dosing:
https://www.drugs.com/dosage/ivermectin.html
Sheep dose is aboul 30 ml drench for 260 lbs. I consider myself a sheep analog. For horse analogs, a 120 lb person will be about 1/10 a horse. I don’t know the size of the horse tubes.
Ivermectin appears to work alone OK, but you want added zinc anyway to make your immune system work better.
And do you put the drench on the back of your neck?! As per pour-on?! We do have a small amount for the handful of cattle here.
@Annie:
Any skin will do. When I did it, I just rubbed it on my belly :-)
Yes, some soaks in through your hand, but that’s what you want anyway….
IIRC, I used about 10 ml one time and 15 ml another, it covered about a 10 x 10 inch patch of skin. Critters have hair, so that lets the pour and forget work better. No fur, it tends to run off unless spread out thin.
But a back rub from a partner would work too :-)
It drys and soaks in in a few minutes.
Obligatory Disclaimer:
I am not a doctor. I am not giving medical advice. I am just describing what I did under prior conditions of a failed medical experience and personal desperation. Always start with your M.D. or D.O. first.
I just found out why the “Powers that Be” are so opposed to Hydroxicloroquine/Zinc treatment for Covid-19. If hydroxy is available as a treatment. then an “Emergency use Authorization” can not be used to speed the development and use of an inoculation. This is a matter of law.
It is also a matter of money…………$Billions of saved development costs and time. Far better that a few hundred thousand people die and the world be thrust into a Depression.
PG, and the crisis must continue; voting places are very often churches and schools, so what are they exerting a strong effort to keep shut down? ( Yep)
EM, yet another fix to COVID-19, this time it is Budesomide, anti Asthma treatment given by nebulizer.
Might be useful to check out https://hcqtrial.com/ for an analysis of results of those countries that used HCQ and those that didn’t. A bit hard to pin down precisely, since the WHO said in June that it was dangerous so some countries stopped any trials. Still, overall they’ve tried to get a good correlation.
Thankyou E. M. Smith. Getting hold of my GP is another matter…she was on one day per week near us and ‘phone only after lockdown. Might just have to look a little further!
Again, be very careful about applying other mammal dose per kilogram to humans. A straight usage may fail due to differing pharmacology (absorption, volume of distribution and/or metabolism). Try to find human data if possible. On the other hand, if the therapeutic window is wide, you may get away with it. The therapeutic window is the difference in the effective dose versus the toxic dose.
Oh, another thing, too. Animal pharmaceuticals often have binders or solvents that differ from those used in human ones. The same caveats apply to them, too; that is, binders and solvents that are not a problem for non-human mammals may be a problem for humans and vice-versa.
@CDQuarles:
Good points.
Note that I gave a link to human dosing above. That has the risk of different administration routes. Oral vs drench absorption rates and concentrations. That’s what M.D.s do all that training for, to properly calculate that kind of thing.
What I did with ivermectin drench does not generalize to other drugs, YMMV, proceed with caution and knowing you are accepting risks and personal responsibility.
The drench I used was Durvet brand for cattle. 5 mg ivermectin per ml. Calculate accordingly.
Other brands or target species may be different. I knew of this being used (grew up in farm country & Dad had some cattle…) and knew folks spilled on themselves without issues.
Then, I had a sick bunny problem. E. Cuniculi can kill a whole herd. As there was no known good treatment then, I had to go off-page and pioneer. The result worked, rapidly and well.
In the process of holding a small bunny with neurological issues and applying drench, I had small dose exposure from spills (scared bunnies kick…). So I had a baseline measure of issues before doing anything else.
When, later, I too got a “problem disease” and medical treatment was a nonop, I again needed to pioneer. My approach was very incremental. You DO NOT just jump off off-page cliffs… Started with 1 ml. No Bad Thing. Did 5 ml a few days later. Rubbed on the rash. That spot improved & No Bad Thing. Doubled again to 10 ml. No Bad Thing. On another occasion, I did the 15 ml. dose with No Bad Thing.
At this point I can confirm that for that drench, a 230 lb. Male had zero side effects from a 15 ml dose. I’ve had more issues from OTC NSAIDS.
I also did background research on the composition and such. The package insert and my PDR (Physician’s Desk Reference) for general human ivermectin information. Essentially, the dose varies widely based on target parasite species more than host, with a fairly high dose before issues. The warnings for people were for skin irritation. Most likely from the flamable solvent in it. Smells like mostly alcohol with some other minor solvent to me. I had no skin response to it, so suspect that only shows up after prolonged exposure treating a large herd.
https://dailymed.nlm.nih.gov/dailymed/fda/fdaDrugXsl.cfm?setid=f5aa53ab-2c44-4652-88fc-11bde79dce8d
I’ve bolded a bit.
I can’t find the msds for the cattle drench just now, but the sheep one looks similar:
Click to access DURVETSHEEPDRENCHMSDS.pdf
Mostly water, propylene glycol, polysorbate, and benzyl alcohol. I think the cattle version has less water and more alcohol for more rapid evaporation.
In any case, that’s the kind of homework I did before dosing the bunnies, then added the PDR before trying it on me. You must do your homework.
And yes, I was very anal about it all… I’m like that… but you must look up the solvents used in any drench, so I did. Found the same stuff you read on your bathroom products.
Ah, found the cattle drench msds again:
Click to access Ivermectin-Pour-On_Norbrook_030816_SDS.pdf
Major solvent isopropanol (aka rubbing alcohol) then ivermectin and triethanolamine.
Basically, if you soak in rubbing alcohol you can irritate your skin, eventually. Oh, and you can absorbe the target drug (which is the goal).
Since most folks don’t have a PDR:
Mine states that lethality in mice and rats was observed at doses of 25 to 50 mg/kg and 40 to 50 mg/kg respectively. (My dose rate max was 15 ml x 5 mg = 75 mg then / 100 kg = 0.75 mg / kg so a good ways away. Species vary in toxic dose by species and size (for some reason m^2 of surface area matters) so human level may vary.
For strongyloidiasis they recommend a dose of 200 micro gm/ kg. That would be 20 mg for a 100 kg me, or 4 ml. So the dose I used was between 2.5 and 3.75 times that dose. However, this was a one time only dose, theirs is oral while mine was topical, and I estimated some would not make it to the blood, would get there slower, and I was dealing with a recalcitrant persistant issue so wanted a high dose. Then, being about 25 to 50 times lower than rodent toxicity, and working up to it slowly, found the risk acceptable to me. YMMV.
To get the suggested human dose rate would be 4 ml for a 100 kg / 220 pound person, or 2 ml for a 50 kg / 110 pound person (assuming full absorption through the skin that IMHO is unlikely to be 100%) for the cattle drench. You could split the difference between my despiration aggressive dose and the suggested one to allow for skin absorption being less efficient than oral, and get 6 and 3 ml respectively. Or just start with 1 or 2, wait a day, try another 1 or 2, etc. Until better or at 10 ml max total in one week.
Of course it would be vastly better if you talk to your M.D. or D.O. and get an approved prescription with the doxycycline added to improve results. Unfortunately, In My Opinion, the W.H.O. in the pocket of China wants you sick, the F.D.A / C.D.C. are acting like they want more Gilliad and Pfizer etc. money, and the Democrats want to create as much death, panic, and disaster as possible to “blame Trump” so are blocking anything that works.
So, like the citizens of Police Defunded Democrat Cities, you may likely find you are on your own medically as well as security wise. I am willing to DIY on both, if forced. So prepared, if necessary.
E.M. FYI
“To protect your security, http://www.domyown.com will not allow Firefox to display the page if another site has embedded it. To see this page, you need to open it in a new window.”
AC Osborn.
I can only see Singapore and US covered in the article with a lassing mention to Wuhan.
Can you tell me where the many countries you refer to are in his article please.
Also the case numbers in Singapore vs S Korea will be dependant on number of people tested.
More important is the fatality rate, having the virus doesn’t really matter if there is fully effective treatment.
S Korea at 6 per million and Singapore at 5 per million seem pretty evenly matched on that score.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
There does now seem to be an inverse correlation between how full on fascist a country is with its lockdown policies and the severity of the outbreaks.
pyromancer76 says:
2 August 2020 at 5:34 pm
Exactly! Use of HCQ indiscriminately is nonsense! But doctors are qualified to prescribe it, Let them do their job!
nessimmersion says: 6 August 2020 at 11:48 pm
I was referring to “Singapore -they took what they learned from SARS and instituted militant hand-washing before and after every contact with a person or thing.”
Suggesting that they only used hand washing, except they didn’t, Masks became compulsory on the 14th of April, plus they also had social spacing.
They used comprehensive test, track & trace.
For what it was like in Singapore in March read this
https://www.forbes.com/sites/margiewarrell/2020/03/30/singapore-sets-gold-standard-against-covid-19-be-ready-be-decisive-be-bold/
My other response was to these statements ” their case fatality rate went to under 0.06% and has stayed there.” and “SARS killed 15% of those who got it in Singapore, and they slammed the door on Covid-19 just as hard because they feared a repeat.
Instead they got…. the flu. Literally the seasonal flu”.
Well many countries have had that kind of fatality rate, but it is not deaths per million population it is deaths/cases which is not shown on Worldometers, you have to calculate it, which I have done for over 100 countries in the world.
But I no longer keep them all up to date.
Take the UK, they have carried out 17.5M tests, have 308,134 cases and 46,413 deaths, that gives an infection rate of 1.76% and a death rate of 15.1%.
France 15.5%
Italy 14.1%
Mexico 10.9%
So did Singapore have the flu and other countries have COVID-19, I don’t think so, it is all about Isolation (Quarantine) and treatment.
Most of the less developed countries have high Infection rates but low death rates, some of that will be down to reporting techniques and some down to treatment.
We already know that the US have had excess deaths due to not using the best medicines and sending infected patients to old folks homes like the UK and Italy, but they are still only in the 3% mortality rate.Which was the point President Trump was trying to make the other day.
nessimmersion says: 6 August 2020 at 11:48 pm
ps his main rant was about infections and South Korea’s infection rate is 283/Million from 1,613,652 tests and Singapore’s is 9318/Million from 1,474,372 tests, so no Singapore did not do as good a job as SK.
Although their Death/Million rates are very similar the mortality rate for Singapore is much lower at 0.06% compared to SK’s 2.09%, so what do Singapore do for treatment or recording of deaths that others do not?
Just maybe given the inaccuracies inherent in testing, the while thing can only be assessed by death rates in comparison with 5 year seasonal average.
It may well be that mortality is the only stat that is not open to interpretation, and even then only totals, every countries other health stats are wildly at variance with each other and susceptible to medic reporting.
Despite headlines UK is not above 5 year seasonal average for example, but the press is awfully excited:
https://hectordrummond.com/2020/07/17/another-jaw-dropping-graph/
Denniger certainly seems accurate in his description of Singapore and his comment that facemasks are only used in hospital when there is high risk during procedures such as intubation.
Never having seen a US hospital I couldn’t comment but the tale of infection rates despite PPE in Minnesota seems tenable.
Don’t forget that HCQ is widely used OTC in tropical countries to prevent malaria.
IMHO, some or much of the lower infection and death rates in tropical and 3rd world countries will be due to existing wide spread HCQ use in the population.
My wife’s COVID test came back – negative. Looks like there’s one spot that isn’t at 100% positive 😜
AmericasFrontlineDoctorsSummit.com
This is the second podcast that the “Powers that Be” don’t want you to see/hear by real Doctors that treat actual patients to prevent and treat COVID-19
“Countries that use Hydroxychloroquine may have 80% lower Covid death rates”
http://joannenova.com.au/2020/08/countries-that-use-hydroxychloroquine-may-have-80-lower-covid-death-rates/
https://www.euronews.com/2020/04/06/has-the-key-to-a-coronoavirus-vaccine-been-staring-us-in-the-face-for-a-century
Via a comment at Jo Nova
That’s interesting. However, in the USA, TB was addressed by pasteurizing milk. Why? Because similar bacilli were common colonizing bacteria of bovine udders and people often got it that way. That and going to sterilized milking machines. I wonder if we still require medical workers to be tested for TB seroconversion now-a-days? That used to be required. A person testing positive was quarantined pending successful antibacterial therapy. Of course, the bacilli became more resistant given the selection pressure.
A couple on covid
Via Tip of the Spear
And
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/covid-wards-empty-as-virus-death-toll-plunges-bvm0mxl2n
Via
https://www.michaelsmithnews.com/2020/08/englands-coronavirus-wards-empty-death-toll-plunges-reports-theyre-reaching-herd-immunity.html
People love to post how well Sweden have done with their handling of COVID-19 when compared to much larger population countries.
When compared to other countries between 8M & 12 M population they are the second worst for Deaths/Million population.
Only Belgium was worse, but the population density in Sweden is only 22.5/km² compared to Belgium where it is 383/km².
Of the 27 countries in the 8M to 12M band on Worldometers site, 25 have half the deaths/Million of Sweden and 13 have less than 1/10 of the Swedish rate.
Comparing apples with apples shows just how well they have actually done.
Sweden seems to be doing comparatively well according to this:
Excerpt below:
http://inproportion2.talkigy.com/nordic_comparison_4jul.html
“Conclusion 2: In terms of all-cause mortality, Sweden is seeing a better outcome for 2019/2020 than Finland and Scotland, and is very close to Denmark.”
Here is the Hope-Simpson paper about influenza virus seasonality: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2134066/pdf/jhyg00034-0042.pdf.
Recall that the influenza virus is a zoonotic RNA virus. It is the causative agent for the disease called influenza. Recall also that sporadic outbreaks occur throughout the year. Epidemics or pandemics occur during their respective seasons.
Most, if not all, respiratory viruses have seasonality. The common cold is caused by rhinoviruses. Other respiratory system viruses cause cold-like or influenza-like illnesses and the coronaviridae family is but one of these and that the virus family may overlap both syndromes.
Around the corona area
“Renowned European scientist: COVID-19 was engineered in China lab, effective vaccine ‘unlikely’ ”
https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/renowned-european-scientist-covid-19-was-engineered-in-china-lab-effective-vaccine-unlikely
Via Tip of the Spear
I’m completely in agreement and OK with “effective vaccine ‘unlikely’ ”
That’s why I’m doing Vitamin D3, quinine, and zinc.
Name one effective Corona Virus vaccine, just one………… [Insert Jeopardy theme here].
OK… admittedly a trick, leading question. There ain’t one and never has been one.
BUT! This insane Covid-19 episode may have put a serious crimp in seasonal flu, with the discoveries of what HCQ + zinc and Ivermectin can do.