Experiments in Mobility and Anonymity

Life on the road is interesting some times…

First off, I’m out of the Hotels now. I’ve got a nice little ‘bungalow’ of sorts. One bedroom, kitchen, living room, cable TV and more. Price is about $400 / month more than the hotels, but worth it, I think. The spouse comes out to join me in a couple of days (so being out of the fleabags was not optional ;-)

Along the way some interesting “puzzles” came along. One was how to get mail. You would think that you could just go sign up for a mail box at “Mail Boxes R Us” or some such and be done. But no…

Our paranoid intrusive and Police State government has leaned on the Mail Box companies such that you can’t just sign up and pay and get an address. You must already have an address to get an address. TWO forms of ID are required (one with photo and government issued…), copies of them are kept, you must have a real physical address that they can take down, they want an email address and a telephone too. Oh, and a credit card (which must have an address too…) Then there is the official Application For Mail Delivery Via an Agent form to fill out. One can show a “power company bill” to show you have a local address, that way you can get a mail box to have a local address… Sigh.

It would seem that the needs of the Road Warriors of the world are not of interest to the Paranoid Police State. Not only does one not have a local address when living in hotels, but if one rents a place “utilities included” one does not even have a power bill…

The bottom line is that I STILL have not got a “local address” for my physical mail; even though I now have a place for the next few months. I could “kind of sort of” get a local address in that I could get mail put in a bin for me at the collective address of where the cottage is located, but that’s a bit less secure than I’d like. I’d also like something that didn’t change every time I moved locations – and this place is only for a couple of months. Yes, I’m hoping to ratchet up one more level.

OK, so to get a Rent-A-Mailbox you need to already have a load of ID Info and all of it gets collected and shared around to all the various agencies (and, thanks to the “email notification” companies use these days for various other account set ups and billing, all THAT data ends up in NSA computer data archives…)

Not particularly wanting my phone number to get tons of crap calls, nor have it shared with everyone and their cousin, I thought I could at least get a local phone number via either a “Burner phone” or an IP Phone (internet phone). The “Burner phones” looked a bit expensive (at about $40 / month) so I looked into an IP Phone. At $9 and then about $10 / month, not too bad. Wally World has their “Basic Talk” at that price point, so I decided to play with it. “Burner Email” accounts being fairly easy to get, I’m assuming folks can do that on their own. (I went ahead and used a ‘real email’ for the initial set up; but if really working on a “Private Existence” first step looks to be “get a burner email address” since everyone wants the email to do anything.

Now Basic Talk spends a LOT of time ranting about how you MUST have a high speed internet like DSL or Cable. I had neither, but didn’t think that ought to stop me ;-) Both of THEM come with location information and a tether to Yet Another Company and their billing records. I decided to try using it with my Wireless Hot Spot.

Yes, I’ve managed to make a clunky “Ersatz Cell Phone”…

A $5 El Cheapo ordinary phone plugs into the Basic Talk box (that takes wall power… A battery and inverter are needed to make this phone rig “portable” ;-). The Basic Talk has an ethernet cable to the laptop that has “Share my internet connection” turned on. A future project will move that onto the Raspberry Pi instead of the Laptop… but for now, the laptop does a WiFi connect to the wireless hotspot and BINGO! I’ve got phone.

I haven’t tested it yet, but in theory this ought to mean I can use Starbucks, or various Hotel WiFi, etc. to provide my “Laptop Router” with high speed internet. That means my Basic Talk phone ought to be able to move around with me. Ditto the RPi variation when I get around to doing that.

So the “Set Up” was far more painful than it needed to be. Not technically, that was trivial. Plug ethernet to laptop and Basic Talk. Turn on Hot Spot. Laptop connect to Hot Spot (set up as automatic now). Turn on “share my Internet” in the laptop. Plug dumb phone into Basic Talk. Turn on power. It’s done. No, the hard part was getting through the interrogation screen at basictalk.com new accounts. There’s a panel that DEMANDS a physical address for 911 calls. Once again, you MUST have an address. Sigh. OK, I finally got it to take an address; but it took a while. I’m expected to always keep this correct, too, per the Agreement. Wonder how that whole “at Starbucks” thing fits their paradigm… It also wants a phone number.

Yes, you MUST have a phone number before you can get a phone number. I think I’m starting to see a pattern here…

So I had already picked the number I wanted for the Gizmo, but it balked at that as my “contact number”. I eventually gave it a number of a phone at work. THEN it was happy to complete the set up. THEN it let me change the number to the one on the Basic Talk gizmo. So as long as you have a ‘Burner’ number, you can eventually get this set up to be your ONE phone number. (One is left wondering how long the ‘Burner’ number is kept in records… and if a pay phone number would also work…) At any rate, you then also must give it a credit card for billing (and the Billing Address for that card, too).

Clearly there are a lot of Catch 22 things going on here.

How would someone just off the boat (or just out of school, or other institutions) get a phone number without a credit card that they can’t get without an address that they can’t get without…

OK, I’ve pondered the “boot up” problem a bit. More on that in a moment.

First: The phone quality was pretty good. In a 1/2 hour or so phone call to a friend, most of the time it was nearly land line quality. There were about 30 seconds total spread over a half dozen moments where it had ‘digital breakup’ and was a tiny bit garbled. There is some significant time lag compared to real land line, but not worse than other cell phones. All in all, it worked fine. Comes with voice mail and you set up an account that lets you use your computer to check your metadata (billing and usage) along with caller ID of who called you and what messages were left. As I used my cell phone to check that calling worked, I’ve “printed” my contact trace into the phone records and thus into the NSA Database. Were one doing this for a Real Burner Phone with some sense of privacy and anonymity, that would be a bad thing to do.

So, all up, for $10 Basic Talk, $5 very cheap phone, and leveraging off of my Laptop and Wireless Hot Spot, I had phone service up and running inside an hour. But with far more information about me demanded than I care for. For one thing, it would be good to go into this with a Bogus Email already set up (one you would use for this account and set up, but disposable if the junk gets too rich). It would also be good to have a temporary use Bogus Phone Number for the “contact phone”. At that point you are just down to “billing information”.

That gets a bit touchy. There are prepaid cards you can buy, but they, too, want a lot of information about you; like a phone number and an address and… Catch 22 again. It looks to me like the only way to do this with some modicum of privacy is to get one whole set of “Burner Email, Phone Number, Address” that are used to set up a second set and then the first ones scrubbed. Not perfect (as the trail still exists), but perhaps enough for some small privacy.

So, for example, by getting a prepaid card, using this Basic Talk phone number, and a quasi-valid address, Burner Email, etc., one could then use it to get a Mail Box. Now with that Mail Box, one gets a different prepaid card, phone number, etc. Then the first set are closed up. Move to a different address. Once a year or so, repeat. After a while, the trail back to anything physically you (home, bank, cell phone) can be muddied enough that most folks would not follow it. (Though enough would be in NSA databases for them to unscramble it, at least for the 5 year retention period they claim to be using now.)

Seems like a heck of a lot of work just to have some privacy, but there you go.

As it stands now, I’ve got a “local phone number” tied to me via a credit card, and an email account. I could easily have scrubbed the email. But the credit card takes more work. Using a temporary, but real, address does leave a trail back to the “real you” for the diligent. I suppose folks could just use an address that does not really lead to them. Yet for the prepaid cards, they send the final one in the mail to your mail box, so somewhere along the line you must have a physicality. Yet once you have a reloadable card, in theory you could “move on” to a different mail box leaving only the bread crumbs of that original ‘set up’ to make the connection.

Some hotels will ‘rent you a box’ ( IIRC Motel 6 did this in their Suites) for mail while you are there; so I suppose you could pay cash for the Hotel Room, then leverage that mail box into a prepaid card, then leverage them into a bit more private a set. Leaving only the “ID at check in” at the hotel as the connection.

Why do I care?

Well, mostly just curiosity. That, and I’m mostly employed in things related to computer security; so I’m supposed to know about this kind of stuff, and how to stop it. How to do the forensics that lets you unravel it. That, then, implies knowing how to DO it, so you can ‘un-DO’ it. I could easily see me with a contract to a TLA to figure out how to design systems to prevent anonymous calling or buying. Then there is the recent news that shows we are on the cusp of becoming a complete Police State with NO privacy. Makes me wonder just how far it really has gotten. That it looks like “nearly a done deal” does not bring comfort.

A little bit it is just for things like having a phone that makes IP calls over the internet for cheap. Some for the technical questions (like, “can I really tunnel an IP Telephone through the laptop and over a Hot Spot that is using 3G digital?” It is kind of fun to think that I’ve got a Sprint network data account, but just used it to make a voice call.) It also means I now have a ‘local number’ I can hand out to all those folks who demand a phone number; but where I’ll essentially never answer it. I can make calls when I want (and fire up the laptop) and from anywhere I want; at a minimum confounding my physicality of location. I’m also pretty sure there isn’t a GPS chip in any of the phone gear or laptop. (The Hot Spot I don’t know about; but with the Galaxy Note it lets you turn off geolocation, and I’ve not seen evidence of folks figuring out where it is based on the Hot Spot…)

So in some small way it is a bit of a comfort that for $10 / month I can make a butt load of phone calls should I so desire, over any of a couple of Internet Spigot types. Though I’ve not tested to prove it works when the Internet Router and Carrier are changed (it ought not to care). I did have to “lie to the account set up” and tell it I had Cable Internet, as it didn’t have a choice of “wireless hot spot” and was darned argumentative about wanting a real physical location for 911. So I’m outside their paradigm.

In Conclusion

It looks like there is a concerted push to assure anyone can be “bagged and tagged” via phone (geolocation / GPS in cell phones, physical address for landline and IP Phones); via MailBox (mandatory phone, government ID, and physical address proof); and via billing (credit card physical address / billing address). They all interlock, and email is being added to the mandatories.

An IP Phone on a data hot spot tether breaks a bit of that. Leveraging a cycle or two of address changes and billing changes could weaken the connection to physically of the Mail Box (but still ties it to a government issued ID). A prepaid money card, after a couple of ‘address washes’, ends up a bit isolated from your bank and any real phone / email; but still has a link back via the mail box to an ID.

All in all, it looks like some degree of private communications can be done; but anonymous mail and anonymous contact are grossly unavailable. Anonymous money only via cash transactions.

That is a far cry from what it was when I was a kid. Mail boxes were available without a “Your Papers Please!” moment. The government did not photo scan and save forever all envelope data (who is mailing to whom). The government did not gather all money transactions and all phone contacts to be used against the citizens at a later time. They did not gather ALL medical data; we had ‘doctor patient privilege’ then. What we have lost is huge.

The foundation of Roe v. Wade, as I understand it, was a finding of “implied right to privacy”. That forbidding abortions would require violating the privacy of the doctor patient relationship. How can that still stand when there is no longer any privacy in the medical record? When there is no “right to privacy” in what you buy, who you call, what your email contains, and what is addressed to you? It seems a bit daft to me to persist in the Schitzo notion that we have an “implied right to privacy” when there is no privacy. So either that foundation is gone (and abortions ought to be gone with it), or that implied right to privacy needs to be reasserted. I don’t see how we can claim both a right to privacy and a complete lack of it; at least not in a sane world.

At any rate, I’ve got a new toy, and had a bit of fun exploring just how intrusive data suckage has become. Still don’t have an address for mail, though. Maybe I can pay for somebody else to get utilities so I can then use that to get a Mail Box ;-) Now if only the Swiss were still doing Swiss Banking like it was in the past…

Oh Well. If I had enough money to care, I’d care more; and if I did anything interesting enough to matter, it might matter. As it stands, the paycheck is gone before the next one arrives and my phone calls consist almost entirely of pleasantries and the occasional “pay the bills” or “did the mail come”. Not exactly the stuff of intrigue. Still, some part of me wants to have my privacy, even if only to hide how humdrum life can be.

So I’ll keep whacking on issues of phones, email, communications, and privacy. For example, it would be fun to marry up some IP telephony software on a Raspberry Pi, with a spigot to a small phone switch, that then sent outgoing calls out again via the Basic Talk. In that way you could do “computer to computer” encrypted calling, with the sporadic ‘incoming’ or ‘outgoing’ to a dialed line still handled over the internet. Add a bit of an onion routing type assignment for what IP Phone was used to place those calls; well, one might be able to fog up some of that Contact Trace info after all. But that will have to wait for another day…

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199 Responses to Experiments in Mobility and Anonymity

  1. BobN says:

    Wow, what a tale you weave.
    The Computer to computer encrypted calling sounds interesting I look forward to your update on this.
    I just went through a can’t get there from there situation. I let my drivers license expire and I can’t find my expired passport, lost in the move. Try and get a drivers license without either of these. My wife pays the bills so my name isn’t on the bills, I found out I’m a non person. Well I decide I need to send and get my birth certificate, they will accept that. To get a copy of my birth certificate I need to send a copy of my picture ID. That’s a problem, so no can do there. After endless paths to prove who I am to no avail I resorted to what works best, I got lucky. I found out I had a 5th cousin who new my 85 year old mother because her mother were friends. Having a solid footing I used it to the max, I new someone in government who would vouch for me. After 6 months of begging, pleading and then telling lies to no avail, the people path got it sent. I just got the paper and no license yet, but I have high hopes that it could happen this next week. I just need to find a bill with my name on it. I’m thinking I’m getting close and should be legal soon. Don’t ever not have a picture copy of yourself, it gets Ugly.

  2. Ralph B says:

    Not too many years ago I was renting a place with utilities provided but not on a postal route…no address. I just had my mail sent as General Delivery to the local post office. Granted all I had to do at the PO was tell them where I was staying (it was a podunk town in Vermont) got the ay yup response and was good to go. No worries about i’net or cell phone as there wasn’t service for either available.

    Maybe I am wrong but working hard to cover your tracks may raise more suspicions and more likely put them on your trail. People love a challenge so you may actually be making someone at the NSA’s day by covering your tracks. I bore the crap out of them. Yes it sucks that our privacy is pretty much toast…can’t bring your blow up doll with you on vacation anymore without giving AP security a good laugh…Big Brothers tendrils are everywhere. The fact is they are there and will never go away. I applaud people like Chiefio who keep their machetes sharp and chop away. I chide myself for not doing it but the truth is I am just too darn lazy…maybe I’ll start tomorrow.

  3. punmaster says:

    @Ralph B:
    Considering that the 911 attacks came from people operating without any overt security precautions, and those attacks came off pretty well as planned, you are probably correct that working to be anonymous brings more attention. Like you I also applaud Chiefio’s efforts and his willingness to share them. As for starting tomorrow, well, I have a chainsaw to reassemble, and I am into the third season of Law and Order: Criminal Intent on Netflix, so it will have to wait.

    @E.M.Smith:
    . . . I can make a butt load of phone calls . . .
    Not being critical of you; just an observation. When did we exchange ” truck load ” of whatever for the crude, even obscene with its reference, ” butt load ” ?

    As a lover of words, their meaning, and their sound ( why I am THE punmaster ), I do not care for the use of the crude. Why has WTF become common? Have we forgotten what this means, or do we simply not care anymore?

  4. p.g.sharrow says:

    There is no doubt that the US has become a police state. A velvet glove at present but still a police state. I can’t understand why the Liberals want Obamacare as it erases Roe v Wade by ending ALL privacy. But at least some of us kick sand in their gears and I can hear the grinding slow as the system overloads. The USSR collapsed because of bureaucratic overload. Even with High Tech, the western bureaucracies are not up to the task of operating a modern global system. They will fail. Only freemen managing their own affairs can make the thing work. Co-operative efforts for mutual benefit, not imposed efforts directed by the Elites. We don’t need them. pg

  5. Ralph B says:

    Punmaster
    I have not yet become pun-worthy…still working the clench.
    I know 25+ years ago in the Navy “buttload” was a standard measurement, replacing the hogshead. For fine detailed measurements we referred to the RCH. “WTF” is the modern day “Snafu”. Coming from a plumber headed family we were well versed in toilet humor so it doesn’t bother me so much. During my navy years I was like most sailors, a potty mouth. My kids though have never heard me swear…they think I am a square. If they only knew ha ha

  6. gary turner says:

    @punmaster: “Not being critical of you; just an observation. When did we exchange ” truck load ” of whatever for the crude, even obscene with its reference, ” butt load ” ?”

    If you’re seeing an “obscene” reference, perhaps it’s your own mind making such a connection. A butt is simply a large barrel or cask (as RalphB mentioned), not a reference to one’s derriere.
    Thus a butt load is a quite properly prim expression for ‘a whole lot’.

  7. punmaster says:

    Thanks, Gary. I didn’t read Ralph’s comment slowly enough and missed the reference. OTOH, how many people can make that connection? I know a number of former Navy men who never use the expression, and wouldn’t understand the reference to a cask. Some of them are old, but still never sailed on a wooden ship. :-)

    Now, back to the privacy/technology question . . .

  8. E.M.Smith says:

    3 generations of sailors on mom’s side… so casks and butts still in my vocabulary.

    As for calling attention to myself: Um… think maybe making a posting is less than hiding? I am not trying to hide, I am exploring the technical space in public view. Open source investigation. Ymmv.

    If the TLA’s notice, l would hope my postings were good enough to rate a contract offer. I am a White Hat after all. Just one that
    is a bit worried about trends…

  9. philjourdan says:

    @p.g.Sparrow – I disagree with the “velvet glove” analogy. I do not think George Zimmerman thinks he got the “velvet” treatment, just the glove (with the obligatory snap you always hear).

    There is nothing velvet about Brandon Raub’s treatment. The only thing velvet may be they have not gotten around to you yet.

  10. Gail Combs says:

    Then there is the recent news that shows we are on the cusp of becoming a complete Police State with NO privacy. Makes me wonder just how far it really has gotten. That it looks like “nearly a done deal” does not bring comfort…..
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    They are now bootstrapping to an implanted RFID chip.

    2006-07-19 Insurers Study Implanting RFID Chips in Patients:
    Hackensack University Medical Center and Horizon Blue Cross Blue Shield of New Jersey are recruiting volunteers to have an RFID device implanted under the skin.

    The chips, made by VeriChip Corporation, will contain a 16-digit identifying number that can be used to bring up medical and family contact information stored electronically in a database. The chips will be tested in patients with chronic conditions who are more likely to need care in hospital emergency rooms. In the two-year trial, the insurance company will pay about
    $200 for the chips to be implanted, plus $80 a month for a subscription fee, according to reports in the RFID Journal. Horizon will then assess whether the devices lower health care costs by reducing duplicate lab tests, drug interactions or misdiagnoses. Horizon will invite patients with conditions like diabetes and heart disease to participate and hopes to enroll about 300 volunteers. Though non-implanted devices, like bracelets or dog tags, could also provide the identifying numbers, chip proponents said that the implanted tags are less likely to be removed or damaged and that scanning for implants will take less time than looking for other means of identification….

    8/05/13 RFID Chip Now Being Issued In Hanna, Wyoming As Part Of New “Obamacare” Plan: The “Obamacare” RFID chips are currently being given a test run…

    And I thought RFID tags for livestock under NAIS was bad….

    The government push for Animal ID was the start of my odyssy from a niave believer in the basic legitimacy of the US government to my current intense dislike for the ruling class.

  11. Judy F. says:

    Even here in rural America we have trouble with the Post Office. I live in a town that is so small that we do not have mail delivery, We have to pick up our mail at the Post Office and we have a Post Office Box. Since that is the place where our mail is sent, it is our “legal” address. The Powers That Be do not like people who have Post Office Boxes. Official person: “I need to have your legal address”. So I give it to them. “No, I need your LEGAL address.” I tell them that IS my legal address. They don’t believe me. I finally end up giving them my physical address, which is of no use to the Post Office, but is staffed by a local person so they throw my mail in the right box anyway. I wonder if every person in small town America goes through the same rigamarole. And yes, we have to fill out paperwork every year to make the Powers That Be happy.

  12. Ralph B says:

    So if a person makes a pun and no one gets it, is it still a pun?

    EM, first off you must not use logic remember who we are talking about here. Blogging about hiding makes you even more guilty. Look at what happened to Giggles the fawn.

  13. punmaster says:

    Ralph,
    Yes, it is. If you don’t understand why an engineer designed something a certain way, is it still engineered, especially if it is German? Yes, it is. So with the pun.
    BTW, isn’t the not getting it by others sometimes the goal? To make a pun very few understand? Those who don’t understand won’t care, but it makes us look very intelligent, doesn’t it, at least to other punners? It comes close to, perhaps is, punishment, isn’t it?

  14. adolfogiurfa says:

    @Judy F.: It seems that it is about you, humans, and a kind of reptilians ET´s a long way out there :-)

  15. p.g.sharrow says:

    @punmaster; Is the punishment accidental or is it deliberate? ;-) pg

  16. Ralph B says:

    PG
    I would say the punishment is believed accidental but unconsciously deliberate making it deliberately accidental…

    Ouch

  17. punmaster says:

    Ralph, p.g.
    punishment is believed accidental but unconsciously deliberate
    No dark recesses of the mind there, are there? :-)

    If you were born here in the US it is probably deliberately Occidental.

  18. p.g.sharrow says:

    To be a Punmaster, One must deliberate on the punishment. pg

  19. punmaster says:

    Deliberate on, and be deliberate in, the process or act of punishment. But the best act comes off the cuff, when an opportunity appears unbidden and can be turned to advantage.

    I am thinking of updating a fairy tale, the one about the damsel with the long hair shut up in the tower in the forest. What if she was on the large size? I will call it Rotundsel.

  20. p.g.sharrow says:

    Rotundsel! Sounds like my ex-wife…….Lol 8-) pg

  21. Ralph B says:

    If she had silver hair you could call her Rotinsel

  22. Sweet Old Bob says:

    How about using an obama phone in the the”string” ?

  23. p.g.sharrow says:

    “Mary Ann Contrary,
    Harvest gardens other grow.
    Socialism wastes, Others create.
    Bringing Civilization low.” pg

  24. adolfogiurfa says:

    @P.G. But real productive capitalism has been corrupted and replaced by speculative only pseudo-capitalism, where all REAL MONEY is being sucked up from our pockets all the time. Guess @E.M. knows very well this.

  25. p.g.sharrow says:

    Traders attempt to acquire “unrecognized” wealth and remove it from it’s creators. Sharp businessmen attempt to acquire a “toll gate”position and tap a share of the wealth flow from creators to consumers.
    By it’s existence, Government has the power to tap all wealth and license the “right people” to tap the wealth stream. Traders and Businessmen claim to be creators of wealth as they rake off their portion. At best they merely facilitate the flow of wealth from the creators to the consumers. At worse they are thieves that add no value. I have often encountered these “thieves” that demand a greater share of the wealth then they allow to the creators, for their”risk”, actually the creators have the greater risk and costs.
    When the Thieves, government or private, demand too great a share the creators quit the wealth creation and everyone starves. They think that they have a strong position. They are wrong, If you don’t provide them wealth, they starve and their position is moot. I am tired of supporting “the Right people”, let them starve. We don’t need them. pg

  26. punmaster says:

    Now, Now, pg. They are accustomed to eating cake, and don’t see any need to quit.

  27. Zeke says:

    pg says “At worse they are thieves that add no value.”

    Then why do they call it a Value Added Tax?

  28. punmaster says:

    Zeke,
    It adds to the value of tax collections. It is always referred to as a VAT, because it fills the tax vat.

    Nothing they name has any relation to the real world. That is why communist countries are always
    the ” Democratic Peoples Republic of . . . .”

  29. adolfogiurfa says:

    Just received the following:
    http://lavabit.com/

    My Fellow Users,

    I have been forced to make a difficult decision: to become complicit in crimes against the American people or walk away from nearly ten years of hard work by shutting down Lavabit. After significant soul searching, I have decided to suspend operations. I wish that I could legally share with you the events that led to my decision. I cannot. I feel you deserve to know what’s going on–the first amendment is supposed to guarantee me the freedom to speak out in situations like this. Unfortunately, Congress has passed laws that say otherwise. As things currently stand, I cannot share my experiences over the last six weeks, even though I have twice made the appropriate requests.

    What’s going to happen now? We’ve already started preparing the paperwork needed to continue to fight for the Constitution in the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals. A favorable decision would allow me resurrect Lavabit as an American company.

    This experience has taught me one very important lesson: without congressional action or a strong judicial precedent, I would _strongly_ recommend against anyone trusting their private data to a company with physical ties to the United States.

    Sincerely,
    Ladar Levison
    Owner and Operator, Lavabit LLC

    Defending the constitution is expensive! Help us by donating to the Lavabit Legal Defense Fund here.

  30. Steve C says:

    ^^ There was a bit in the Guardian about Lavabit – http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/aug/08/lavabit-email-shut-down-edward-snowden . Not a good situation.

    FWIW, I have a paid-for account with Hushmail (Canadian based). As far as I know, their policy still requires individual requests, detailing the specific malfeasance, via the Mounties before they’ll compromise us users, but in the current climate nobody should be complacent. We need a secure way of distributing one-time pads …

  31. Zeke says:

    Thanks punmaster (: In other words, you have to worry when the devil starts talking about “food security.”

    PS Or how about this one – “You have a human right to sustainable energy.”

  32. E. M. Smith,

    Those who lead our Police State government have good reason to be paranoid: They sit on a powder keg of resentments and do not know how to get out of the current mess.

    To save mankind from nuclear annihilation, the scientific method was re-molded into a tool of government propaganda in 1945 in:

    1. “Hard” sciences like astronomy, chemistry, geology, nuclear, particle, planetary, solar, space and theoretical physics, and in

    2. “Soft” sciences like banking, economics, political science, psychology, and sociology.

    http://theinternetpost.net/2013/08/09/japan-enters-the-keynesian-twilight-zone-as-total-debt-crosses-¥1000000000000000-00/

    Fear and the instinct of survival triggered mankind’s relentless march to today’s worldwide insanity, with abundant paranoia in all quarters.

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10640850/Creator_Destroyer_Sustainer_of_Life.pdf

    With deep regrets,
    – Oliver K. Manuel
    Former NASA Principal
    Investigator for Apollo

  33. Steve C says:

    I don’t know whether anyone here ever checks ‘Signs of the Times’, but my eye was caught there by a (transcribed) article supporting quite strongly the hypothesis that Jesus Christ was Julius Caesar. The talk touched on various points in which ‘official’ history seemed to differ from subsequent evidence which turned up – a sort of ‘prequel’ to Dr. Manuel’s position.
    http://www.sott.net/article/264750-SOTT-Talk-Radio-Who-was-Jesus . There was a brief description of Roman politics towards the end which sounds strangely familiar:

    “Jason: One of the things…that was going on…I mean, the Roman Empire, at the time was…and the citizens were crippled by debt. The middle classes were impoverished….

    Laura: …starvation…

    Jason: …and the rich people were super, super rich. I mean it was…

    Pierre: …most were not citizens.

    Jason: …most weren’t…

    Laura: They had the same thing that we have nowadays: they had these vast estates that were owned by the ultra-rich that they had gotten because they would go off to the provinces and rape, pillage and plunder, to steal the stuff of other people (taxes and stuff); come
    back, get all this land….they’d been using the Italian people for years and years to be soldiers (then they would come back and they would lose their land and they would be bought up by the rich people). And then, of course, they would bring back tons of slaves from their
    conquests to work the land (so that the Italian people didn’t have jobs). So, they didn’t have land, they didn’t have jobs, the rich people owned everything. You know, it was the equivalent of the corporatocracy that we live with today: the big corporation; corporate farming;
    corporate this, corporate that; cutting out artisans and individual people, family farms…and it was exactly the same thing…and then crushing taxes and….”

    Get this on BBC News all the time, just with less honest detail.

  34. omanuel says:

    Yes, Steve, there are remarkable similarities between the current insanity of society worldwide and that foretold for the end times.

  35. Zeke says:

    “supporting quite strongly the hypothesis that Jesus Christ was Julius Caesar.”

    Actually the Romans crucified Yeshua. And this was allowed to happen after a court convened illegally at night, and found him guilty.

    Pilate did offer to let Yeshua go, but they said, “We have no king but Caesar.” You may decide if any one who makes a wreckless, worthless, and false statement like that one above is worth your attention.

    And now, Steve C, what will you eat when you destroy the growers and reverse the agricultural advances in this country? Will you eat five foot melons, as Mao promised? We have no grain storage in this country, so we are one Lysenkoist policy by sustainability “scientists” working with government away from a disaster to the food supply here, and that will also mean disaster for the world.

  36. Zeke says:

    Here Adolfo, your mind is your weapon.

    Turn philosophy into a sharp weapon in the hands of the masses
    http://chineseposters.net/toomanybooks/08.php

    Thought as a weapon
    Criticize the old world and build a new world with Mao Zedong
    http://chineseposters.net/posters/e15-699.php

    You’re lucky to have someone like me around to point out where these seducing, deceptive doctrines come from. Enjoy it while it lasts. The Maoist haarpies, aparchiks, witches and deavas are gaining more ground every day. The five year plan has already begun using the USDA for sustainability in agriculture. It was signed with China, who still does not admit that the starvation from the Great Leap ever happen. Perhaps you would also like China and Russia to control the web instead of the US as well.

  37. crosspatch says:

    Irony: Earning income in a state with no income tax only to have to pay it in the state with the highest income tax.

  38. Ralph B says:

    Crosspatch…that irony is balanced with the satisfaction one feels knowing the great good that is done with those tax dollars.

  39. Steve C says:

    @Zeke – I’m really sorry if I offended you by mentioning the main topic of that page. My intention in linking it was only to draw attention to the quote in it about “life in a decaying empire”, as mentioned – the rush of riches to the powerful, the impoverishment of the populace, all of it, then as now, same old same old. Please don’t take it as a claim by me that “JC1 = JC2”, intriguing though I find the story; that certainly wasn’t my aim.

    In fact, my own immediate reaction on seeing the topic was “What???” (complete with multiple question marks). I’m sure you’ve seen all the parallels drawn over the years between the lives of Jesus and Osiris, or Horus, or whomever; a Caesar claim was new and surprising to me. Indeed, as the transcript reveals, it was new and surprising to Laura K-J as well, when she tripped over it in her historical researches.

    I think she made one very important point in the programme, though. Everything you know, everything I know, is “predigested” before it ever gets to us, filtered through the beliefs of whichever power blocs happen to have seized “editing rights” over it through the centuries. The older the knowledge, the more filtering. Nobody alive now knows (in the strongest sense) exactly what happened back then, we can only infer as best we can from whatever old sources we can still find. Knowing that need not impact one’s knowledge of right and wrong, good and evil, etc.

    I don’t get the bit about me wanting to “destroy the growers and reverse the agricultural advances in this country” at all. I’ve been a technician or engineer for decades, and thoroughly enjoy using whatever knowledge the human race has gained to make things work, and make life, better. I want to encourage the growers (makers, etc.) enthusiastically, and to be reasonably happy that the good stuff we do doesn’t leave residues of evil crud behind it. A pity the Monsantoes, etc., of this world don’t take a similar attitude. More than a pity that their and our control over “our” governments are so disproportionate, but then … back to those parallels between the collapsing Roman empire and the present … :-(

  40. p.g.sharrow says:

    The Monsanto’s of the world need Big Government to protect them from small competitors. We need to force Big Government back into it’s small Constitutional box. pg

  41. Zeke says:

    @SteveC, thank you for clarifying your own thoughts. There certainly is a grave danger posed by World Empires, and you only mentioned a few of them – esp. that problem of a ruthless, extractive, debauched aristocracy forming and destroying the creation of wealth.

    But Empires also deport populations out of their own lands, and bring in populations from foreign countries. For example, the Assyrians deported the northern kingdom of Israel, and replaced it with people from a neighboring country. Today they are known as Samaritans. Empires subjugate the economies of their conquered people, and demand tribute. Today England pays over 9bn pounds per year to the EU for the privilege of having their legislation made for them in Brussels. And in the process of “unifying” countries, historically this has always entailed tremendous bloodshed. For example, look at the horrors of unification under Emporer Chin, from whom China gets its name. Those proud and independent people who hold on to their spiritual identity, language, and their culture suffer most and are sometimes completely eradicated. Hundreds and thousands of languages are lost to history where ever there has been an Empire.

    And Empires destroy the writings, traditions, and identities of the people they conquer, after rewriting a few parts and taking credit for themselves. For example, the so called “Arabic numerals” were actually Indian numerals were adopted by the Persian mathematicians in India, and then were transmitted by the Berbers to Europe. Yet under unification, the Arabs took credit for the inventions and writings of the conquered people. And that is all Rome’s and many of Greece’s accomplishments amount to – plagarism of works taken from conquered people.

    The Romans however were not successful in destroying the Jews and Christians and their book, so it is one of the few texts that survived unmolested by Rome. Everything else has been filtered through the political Empires of this world, and esp of the Roman Empire, as people blindly rely on Classical sources mainly. What the Romans did not destroy of the writings of many unique people, the Byzantine and Roman Church Empires destroyed, or the Muslim Empire destroyed. Yes everything has been distorted, but a few genuine texts have survived.

    So you tell me if an empire is in decline, or if the first truly global Empire is forming right now. What is the European Union, but an Empire? What is the United Nations, but another word for World Empire? So I would suggest you consider the alternative, that no Empire is in decline, but a World Empire is here, and it will be worse than all of the beasts before it.

  42. Zeke says:

    SteveC says, “…it was new and surprising to Laura K-J as well, when she tripped over it in her historical researches.”

    I am well aware of what those “historical researches” can turn up. (:
    History Channel https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7720417792/h157D08E1/

  43. j ferguson says:

    E.M.
    Try these guys: http://www.sbimailservice.com/

    We’ve used them since we moved aboard. Our drivers’ licenses show their address, they are not a post-office box of the sort that some shippers won’t send stuff to, and best of all, we vote there, and it is in one of those wonderful counties where your vote will surely count – sometimes goes Republican, sometimes Democrat. Car and boats are registered there. And they are very good about sending our mail to wherever we are.

  44. omanuel says:

    p.g.sharrow said “We need to force Big Government back into it’s small Constitutional box.”

    There are encouraging signs of impending collapse of an evil social structure that threatened the sanity of everyone and the very survival of humankind:

    1. The top rungs of society are richly rewarded for violating moral principles – lying, cheating, conniving, etc. – without getting caught.

    2. The bottom rungs of society are occupied by addicts and mental patients who are unable to adapt to social hypocrisy.

    See: http://thepointman.wordpress.com/2013/08/09/a-berlin-story-eva/ and message to the Congressional Space Science & Technology Committee

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10640850/Creator_Destroyer_Sustainer_of_Life.pdf

  45. Like “crosspatch” I see irony here.

    A government that sees nothing wrong with making life difficult for its citizens while bending over backwards to provide education and benefits for 11 million illegals.

    A government that sees nothing wrong with inverse profiling where little old ladies from Pasadena while young men much more physically capable of hijacking an aircraft are ignored.

    A government that denies SSA disability benefits to people who paid into the system while providing red carpet treatment for illegals. When my wife provided evidence of what was going on at the Holmes Regional Hospital in Melbourne to “Florida Today” the newspaper ignored it.

  46. omanuel says:

    Yes, Gallopingcamel, this corrupt social system will collapse soon – for the very reasons you cite.

    If you read Pointman’s post on Eva in Berlin you will realize the desperation of those on the bottom rungs of society

    There is a story about getting a camel through the eye of a needle that tells us the likelihood of peacefully ending the sixty-eight years of deception since the end of the Second World War in 1945.

  47. BobN says:

    To me things don’t make sense, all forms of common sense have seen to depart.
    The government gives preferences to illegals over the citizens.
    They seem determined to kill the oil/gas business inside the US
    We keep getting involved in more places around the world militarily, but we continue to gut the services.
    Unemployment stagnate and nothing being done to get things going
    Businesses are struggling so we give them more regulations and Obamacare
    We have open borders and don’t seem to worry about Cartel activities.
    We keep importing Muslims from the middle east, putting them on welfare
    Our president seems hell bent on creating a race war.
    We push Global Warming at the cost to business with no proof its real.
    Our cops are becoming militant thugs
    We are tracked on everything we do
    elections seem rigged, ripe with fraud
    Politicians ignore the people they serve, its all about them getting money for reelection.
    Morals seem to be evaporating

    The list just goes on and on and it truly defies any reasons of sanity. Its time to totally change all the politicians – with the mentality of the average voter, that will never happen. We have become a divided society, the givers and the talkers and vote accordingly.

    I just don’t understand what has happened the last 20 years.

  48. omanuel says:

    You are right, Bob N. These are acts of desperation as the “ship of fools” sinks in the face of reality.

  49. Gail Combs says:

    adolfogiurfa says: @ 8 August 2013 at 4:48 pm

    @P.G. But real productive capitalism has been corrupted and replaced by speculative only pseudo-capitalism, where all REAL MONEY is being sucked up from our pockets all the time….
    >>>>>>>>>>
    That is my major beef with Fractional Reserve Banking.

    The best example I can think of is Corporate Raiders and the leveraged buyouts of the 1980s. A Raider would go to a bank and borrow money, putting up for collateral stock HE DID NOT OWN. The Bankers happily printed out of nothing, new ‘money’ and gave it to the raider who used it to purchase controlling interest and force a vote. The Raider then tells the other stockholders the company’s assets are worth far more than what the shares are worth and gets others to back him. He then either forces the board, president and CEO to cough up higher dividends or he takes over the corporation and breaks it up and sells off the pieces, in some cases literally. (I know a guy in Boston whose company packed up the equipment in US factories and shipped it overseas.)

    This is what happened to US corporations in the 1980s. This is one of the reasons we now have 22%+ unemployment.

    Since the ‘money’ is created out of nothing and is therefore not actually ‘Consideration’ (a thing of value exchanged in a contract) and the raider did not own the item he was using for collateral, the entire process is a fraud.

    Actually fiat money is a complete fraud because there is no real wealth (good or services) backing it up. In the above example the raiders and bankers colluded in transferring all the built up wealth in a corporation into their control without actually giving anything of value in return.

    Can you say pure out and out THEFT?

    The problem is ‘Bad money’ (because it is ‘cheap’) will drive out ‘Good money’ that is printed on the spot bankster money can always be lent at a much lower interest rate when compared to ‘Real Money’ that is money that was actually earned. Therefore those with easy access to Bankster money are in a good position to practice ‘speculative only pseudo-capitalism’

  50. Gail Combs says:

    Zeke says:
    10 August 2013 at 2:33 am
    ….And now, Steve C, what will you eat when you destroy the growers and reverse the agricultural advances in this country? Will you eat five foot melons, as Mao promised? We have no grain storage in this country….
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Actually we are facing deep doodoo.

    …This year, for the sixth time in 11 years, the world will consume more food than it produces, largely because of extreme weather in the US and other major food-exporting countries… (www.sott.net/article/252605-UN-warns-of-looming-worldwide-food-crisis-in-2013-Collapse-of-global-food-supply-inevitable )

    First the Food Safety Modernization Act which saddles ALL US farmers with massive red tape goes into effect now.

    April 16, 2013

    ‘Proposed FDA safety rules frustrate tree fruit farmers,” by imposing costly and complicated rules on them, reported The Washington Post. As the FDA puts “in place a massive overhaul of the nation’s food safety system,” due to the Food Safety Modernization Act, “Few groups have expressed more frustration than tree fruit farmers, who grow apples, pears and a variety of other produce. They complain that the FDA’s approach, in some ways, defies common sense.” The 2010 law is proving far more costly than its supporters promised it would be, in order to get Congress to pass it.

    The “Food Safety Modernization Act would impose only modest costs on farmers, or so we kept being assured when it passed in 2010.” But many orchard growers now face tens of thousands of dollars in costs, notes the Cato Institute’s Walter Olson. As he points out, the law’s unexpected costs have caused a furor in some farming communities, and the Town of Brooksville recently became the “ninth in Maine to pass symbolic ‘food sovereignty’ resolution…. (www.examiner.com/article/food-safety-modernization-act-harms-small-farmers-and-safety-innovation )

    I took a look at the red tape and possibility of fines and said ^%$% it, I now grow for my table only. I don’t have the data at my finger tips but if I recall correctly the typical cow herd size for breeding cows is only 30 animals.

    According to the 2002 Ag Census.
    There are 2,128,982 farms In the USA.
      1,519,209 GROSS  less than $25,000 a year
        298,385 GROSS between $25,000 and $100.000
      240,746 farms GROSS between $100,000 and $500,000
        Only 70,642 farms GROSS over $500,00, these are the corporate farms

    “Commodity products” like rice, wheat, corn and cotton get government money.  The small farmers raising fruit, veggies and livestock do not.

    In business the net (your salary) is about 5 to 15 % of the gross  after you pay for the cost of doing business. Second we are talking farm (not individual) income. Like most businesses farmers hire help at least some of the time even small farmers. All that new red tape costs time and money. One farmer in the UK hit with similar red tape said he now spends 60% of his time on paperwork for the government.

    Once farmers in the USA find out exactly what is required of them how many of the ~ 2 million small farmers who raise our fruits and veggies and meat do you think will be left in the USA? In the EU about 60% were lost in Mexico it was 75%.

    Then you can add in Dam Amstutz 1996 Freedom to Farm Fail Act that got rid of US strategic grain reserves. The last of the US reserves were used up in 2008. AND you can add in the idiocy of the biofuel laws.

    The Elite/financiers who control the government don’t give a rats behind how many they starve.

    In summary, we have record low grain inventories globally as we move into a new crop year. We have demand growing strongly. Which means that going forward even small crop failures are going to drive grain prices to record levels. As an investor, we continue to find these long term trends…very attractive.” Food shortfalls predicted: 2008 (www.financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/dancy/2008/0104.html )

    Recently there have been increased calls for the development of a U.S. or international grain reserve to provide priority access to food supplies for Humanitarian needs. The National Grain and Feed Association (NGFA) and the North American Export Grain Association (NAEGA) strongly advise against this concept..Stock reserves have a documented depressing effect on prices… and resulted in less aggressive market bidding for the grains.” July 22, 2008 letter to President Bush (www.naega.org/images/pdf/grain_reserves_for_food_aid.pdf )

    If as some think we are headed into a major cooling trend we could be in for real trouble. This is the Köppen climate map for the US mid west. Note 1980/1990 decades are almost an entire state north of the 1970 decade.

    No wonder the Department of Homeland Security and the National Weather Service(?!!) are buying hollow point rounds, ammo that has been illegal in international warfare since 1899.
    (www.businessinsider.com/the-national-weather-service-is-shopping-for-46000-rounds-of-ammunition-2012-8 )

    The skuttlebutt is they are buying 1.6 billion rounds of ammo
    (www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2013/03/22/dhs-denies-massive-ammunition-purchase )

  51. punmaster says:

    What has gone wrong? We have gotten comfortable. The United States has been rich enough since WW 2 to be able to afford leisure, across a broad spectrum of our economic picture. No society has ever had the choice across the whole of society. With that ease has come the certainty that pouring work into the things that actually matter, learning to work and teaching that to our children, keeping our responsibility to our neighbors, and by extension all of society, by maintaining a strong morality, living within our means and saving for the the unexpected, keeping charitable work close to home by accepting the responsibility for it; those things aren’t really necessary.

    All of these things have, or are, going by the wayside because we are tired from working
    in an air conditioned facility for eight hours. It is time to relax. So we don’t know our neighbors. We certainly don’t know those running for office. We just don’t have time to get to know those folks; after all, the ball game is on.

    Little by little, the good things slip away from us because we aren’t working to keep them. Then we are surprised, even stunned, to find the world has become worse morally then we could ever imagine Why do I say morally? Because all questions which face us are moral questions.
    Bought a car you can’t make payments on? You have cheated someone. Bump a car in the parking lot and didn’t find the owner? You have cheated someone. BTW, why is it I could go into a store this past Thanksgiving and Christmas season and find people being polite and courteous, offering help or let another in line, and then got out on the highway to find those same people trying to kill each other in a car? We don’t even come close to fulfilling the standard to love our neighbor on the highway. Why not? Aren’t we the same people? No; we are anonymous in the car just like we are at home, so whatever we want to do in that privacy is ok.

    What this all comes down to ( Yes, I know some of you have been asking, ” When will he get to the
    end of this?” ) is that every problem we have is a responsibility problem, and therefore a moral problem. The Second Law of Thermodynamics says, more or less, that without the continual input of energy, a system slows down. We have not continually put energy into sustaining our responsibility, our love thy neighbor system, so it is failing. Add in the corrosive effects of the desire for power by the Evil Bastards and it is easy to understand where we are headed.

    Now, I have to go give this speech somewhere else. ;

  52. Gail Combs says:

    (To keep this comment from being booted into the ether I have removed h.t.t.p:// and added ( ) so wordpress does not recognize the links. )
    BobN says: @ 10 August 2013 at 11:41 pm

    To me things don’t make sense, all forms of common sense have seen to depart….
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Only if you think those in control of the US government WANT the USA to prosper. They Don’t. (spectator.org/archives/2010/07/16/americas-ruling-class-and-the/print )

    Once you wrap your mind around the fact that the US government DOES NOT have the best interest of US citizens or the country in mind but only that of the elite who want a world government, all the idiotic inexplicable moves by the US government become clear. The elite HATE the US system of government because it was specifically designed to castrate them.

    The USA is unique because it is based on the principle of God given INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS and individuals ALLOW the government to make laws on their behalf. Other governments are based on the principle that the Government grants individuals ‘privileges’ that it can remove at any time and the needs of the community as a whole (read the government leaders) trump the rights of an individual. (‘God given’ is the reason for the present attack on Christianity. BTW)

    You can see this creeping change in the underlying principle of the USA in the recent Supreme Court decision to allow corporations the right to confiscate an individual’s land if the community (read local government tax) was affected in a positive manner. The fact is that our rights to our own property (wealth) and what we can do with it have been eroded via zoning regs and the EPA not to mention the use of fiat funny money mortgages and Rockefeller’s “Green Revolution” US farmers were persuaded by the USDA extension service to mortgage their land to buy ‘Modern Improvements,’ and we have been stuck with mortgages ever since. (www.opednews.com/articles/History-HACCP-and-the-Foo-by-Nicole-Johnson-090906-229.html ) India’s Farmer Suicide is a present day example of the same maneuver. (www.commondreams.org/headline/2010/01/06-0 )

    What many do not realize is the British Monarch OWNS all the land in the UK, Canada and Australia. (www.businessinsider.com/worlds-biggest-landowners-2011-3?op=1 ) (Notice the article does not mention banks own a heck of a lot of the rest of the world’s land via mortgages)

    What we are seeing is expressed in H.L. Mencken’s one liners.
    “The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false face for the urge to rule it.”

    “The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.’

    ……
    First let’s start with the Capitalists Captains of Industry, Wall Street. Cartoonist and member of the American Communist party, Robert Minor shows in his 1911 Cartoon, DEE_LIGHTED, the true allegiance of Wall Street is to Socialism not Capitalism. (www.wildboar.net/multilingual/easterneuropean/russian/literature/articles/whofinanced/whofinancedleninandtrotsky.html ) This is because socialism manufactures a ‘Privileged Class’ and reduces everyone else to serfs unable to challenge that ‘Privileged Class’ Wall Street sees the Middle Class, especially unrestrained entrepreneurs as threats to their cushy positions and wealth. An example of how ‘Socialism’ aids business: (www.motherjones.com/politics/1995/07/dwaynes-world )

    Then lets take the Club of Rome.
    “In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill….All these dangers are caused by human intervention….and thus the “real enemy, then, is humanity itself….believe humanity requires a common motivation, namely a common adversary in order to realize world government. It does not matter if this common enemy is “a real one or….one invented for the purpose.”

    The UN puts this concept into practice. First with a test run banning CFCs “To save the Ozone” and then with CAGW. The IPCC mandate states:

    The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) was established by the United Nations Environmental Programme (UNEP) and the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) in 1988 to assess the scientific, technical and socio-economic information relevant for the understanding of human induced climate change, its potential impacts and options for mitigation and adaptation.
    (www.ipcc-wg2.gov/ )

    The IPCC was never about finding out what factors were responsible for controlling the climate. Instead humans were tried and found guilty BEFORE the IPCC ever looked at one single scientific fact. The IPCC mandate is not to figure out what factors effect the climate but to dig up the ‘facts’ needed to hang the human race.

    Next look at what our government has done.
    Bush started the push for the World Trade Organization and Bill Clinton convinced Congress to go along with the idea and ratify the treaty. Clinton took campaign funds from China and brought China into the WTO. This resulted in a huge US trade deficit and a 22% unemployment rate that Clinton’s Admin. made sure was hidden from the public. (www.shadowstats.com/article/employment) and (www.financialsense.com/financial-sense-newshour/guest-expert/2012/05/08/john-williams/the-real-unemployment-rate-the-coming-fiscal-cliff ) and (www.theaureport.com/pub/na/14523 )

    Just that fact I find incredibly damning without even considering Clinton’s China Policy that gave away the USA’s technological advantages not to mention our military secrets.(www.artistmarket.com/writers/piraino/clintonchina.htm ) Clinton’s policies took the USA from the top economic position and handed that position to China on a gold platter.

    On to The WTO and Pascal Lamy’s enlightening statements:
    Pascal Lamy was unanimously re-elected director-general of the World Trade Organisation in 2009. He is a good friend of Clinton’s and both lecture at the Fabian Socialist’s London School of Economics where many world leaders in politics, finance and the corporate world are educated. Clinton also signed into law the five banking bills that caused the world financial crisis and US bank bailout. (I will detail more on that in another comment)

    Pascal Lamy took ‘Practical Politics’ the next step, by telling us what the “new enemy to unite us” is that is needed to create Legitimacy, one of the“three legs” needed to implement a global government…

    It gives me great pleasure to be here today to participate in this thematic debate on the United Nations in global governance, an issue of the utmost importance given the urgency of the global challenges we are facing… As for legitimacy, I see two avenues to strengthen it. First, domestically, by increasing the visibility of international issues and giving citizens a greater say…
    (www.globalpolicy.org/globalization/globalization-of-politics/global-governance-and-the-three-sisters-2-17/50398-lamy-urges-raising-un-ecosoc-profile.html?itemid=id#951 )

    There sure as heck is no greater threat for uniting citizens together then the threat of ‘catastrophic climate change’ and a world wide financial mess threatening their jobs is there? And of course the citizens are given a ‘greater say’ through NGOs that just happen to be completely non-democratic. The new method of governance is the NGO-government partnerships where voters and individuals get completely cut out of the system. (link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs12134-000-1012-6#page-1 )

    Strong’s early work with YMCA international “…may have been the genesis of Strong’s realization that NGOs (non-government organizations) provide an excellent way to use NGOs to couple the money from philanthropists and business with the objectives of government.” (sovereignty.net/p/sd/strong.html )

    …As Elaine Dewar wrote in Toronto’s Saturday Night magazine: as an advisor to the Rockefeller Foundation and the World Wildlife Fund. Above all, he served on the Commission on Global Governance — which, as we shall see, plays a crucial part in the international power grab.  The Commission on Global Governance (CGG), was established in 1992, after Rio, at the suggestion of Willy Brandt, former West German chancellor and head of the Socialist International. In 1991, the Club of Rome (of which Strong is, of course, a member) issued a report called The First Global Revolution, which asserted that current problems “are essentially global and cannot be solved through individual country initiatives.

    “Very few of even the larger international NGOs are operationally democratic, in the sense that members elect officers or direct policy on particular issues,” notes Peter Spiro. “Arguably it is more often money than membership that determines influence, and money more often represents the support of centralized elites, such as major foundations, than of the grass roots.” The CGG has benefited substantially from the largesse of the MacArthur, Carnegie, and Ford Foundations. (www.afn.org/~govern/strong.html )

    And there are still The ‘Innocents’ Clubs’:

    (www.heretical.com/miscella/munzen.html )
    …During the 1920’s and most of the 1930’s Münzenberg played a leading role in the Comintern, Lenin’s front for world-wide co-ordination of the left under Russian control. Under Münzenberg’s direction, hundreds of groups, committees and publications cynically used and manipulated the devout radicals of the West….Most of this army of workers in what Münzenberg called ‘Innocents’ Clubs’ had no idea they were working for Stalin. They were led to believe that they were advancing the cause of a sort of socialist humanism. The descendents of the ‘Innocents’ Clubs’ are still hard at work in our universities and colleges. Every year a new cohort of impressionable students join groups like the Anti-Nazi League believing them to be benign opponents of oppression…

    Despite the formal collapse of Communism in 1989, the legacy of Stalin’s strategy of destroying the West by propaganda has an increasing hold through the cult of ‘political correctness.’ The undermining of our society by the media has steadily intensified since then. Münzenberg’s spectre hovers as vital as ever in contemporary life. At a time when Communism has little remaining formal influence, Münzenberg’s techniques of propaganda and disinformation pervade our lives.

    His legacy had far outlasted the formal cause it served, and now works for new masters. The opinion-formers who so misjudged Communism still claim legitimacy in dictating political ideals. Their track record is little considered. Marx wrote in 1857, “It is possible I’ve made a fool of myself, but that can always be remedied with a little bit of dialectics.”

    (I often wonder if Marx perpetrated a giant joke on mankind.)

    Lamy also indicates that an European Union like super state has been the goal since the 1930s. (www.globalgovernancewatch.org/spotlight_on_sovereignty/lamy-calls-for-europeaninspired-global-governance )

    To govern this globalized world, writes World Trade Organization Director-General Pascal Lamy, existing institutions will need to be reformed
    (www.theglobalist.com/storyid.aspx?StoryId=9174 )

    In the same way, climate change negotiations are not just about the global environment but global economics as well — the way that technology, costs and growth are to be distributed and shared…
    Can we balance the need for a sustainable planet with the need to provide billions with decent living standards? Can we do that without questioning radically the Western way of life? …
    At the same time, globalization is blurring the line between national and world issues, redefining our notions of space, sovereignty and identity. As we saw during the recent financial crisis, economic turbulence in one country now sends shockwaves worldwide.

    Countries claim the right to use national resources as they see fit. But the byproduct can be greenhouse gases or disappearing fish stocks or raw material shortages — which impact the interconnected world we share….

    This raises a final challenge: How to provide global leadership? Mobilizing collective purpose is more difficult when we no longer face one common enemy, but thousands of complex problems
    The reality is that, so far, we have largely failed to articulate a clear and compelling vision of why a new global order matters — and where the world should be headed….

    All had lived through the chaos of the 1930s …including the defeated powers, agreed that the road to peace lay with building a new international order — and an approach to international relations that questioned the Westphalian, sacrosanct principle of sovereignty — rooted in freedom, openness, prosperity and interdependence.

    “and an approach to international relations that questioned the Westphalian, sacrosanct principle of sovereignty” means getting rid of that pesky US Constitution.

    Lamy makes that clear when he says…

    I see four main challenges for global governance today.
    The first one is leadership…..
    The second one is efficiency, i.e. the capacity to mobilize resources….
    The third one is coherence….
    The last challenge that I see is that of legitimacy — for legitimacy is intrinsically linked to proximity, to a sense of “togetherness”.….

    There is one place where attempts to deal with these challenges have been made and where new forms of governance have been tested for the last 60 years: in Europe. The European construction is the most ambitious experiment in supranational governance ever attempted up to now. [Interesting that he uses word ‘experiment’] It is the story of a desired, delineated and organized interdependence between its Member States….

    First, on the question of efficiency, Europe scores in my view rather highly. Thanks to the primacy of EU law over national law. Thanks to the work of the European Court of Justice in ensuring enforcement and respect for the rule of law. And thanks to a clear articulation between the Commission, the Parliament, and the European Court of Justice.
    (www.wto.org/english/news_e/sppl_e/sppl220_e.htm )

    And that is the whole goal “…the primacy of EU UN law over national law…. UN Agenda 21 is the plan for our new society. A cross between feudalism and a company town.
    (www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK2sZUs2l_U )

    (www.postsustainabilityinstitute.org/the-post-sustainable-future.html )

    (www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/ )

    A demonstration of Agenda 21/Smart Growth in action

    National Multi Housing Councl -Green Practices/Sustainability
    Apartments are the core of any sustainability strategy. They are more resource- and energy-efficient than other types of residential development because their concentrated infrastructure conserves materials and community services. As part of an infill or mixed-use development, apartments create communities where people live, work, and play with less dependence on cars. This reduces the consumption of fossil fuels and their carbon emissions.

    Through the NMHC Sustainability Committee, the Council is advancing industry best practices; working with lawmakers to adopt voluntary and incentive-based energy policy; and developing and promoting standards to help firms market their sustainability quotient….
    (www.nmhc.org/Content/LandingPage.cfm?NavID=249 )

    Wall Street Journal – California Declares War on Suburbia: Planners want to herd millions into densely packed urban corridors

    Metropolitan area governments are adopting plans that would require most new housing to be built at 20 or more to the acre, which is at least five times the traditional quarter acre per house. State and regional planners also seek to radically restructure urban areas, forcing much of the new hyperdensity development into narrowly confined corridors….
    (online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303302504577323353434618474.html )

    (www.capitalnewyork.com/article/politics/2012/07/6173436/micro-unit-mini-apartment-building-coming-new-york-city )

    (www.laweekly.com/2011-06-23/news/l-a-county-s-private-property-war/ )

    A radical website with decent links:
    (www.occupycorporatism.com/transition-towns-agenda-21-comes-to-life/ )

    (www.occupycorporatism.com/mini-prisons-micro-apartments-built-across-america-in-the-name-of-sustainability/ )

  53. Gail Combs says:

    punmaster says:
    11 August 2013 at 12:22 pm

    What has gone wrong? We have gotten comfortable….

    All of these things have, or are, going by the wayside because we are tired from working…
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    The Destruction of the USA is intentional and a well orchestrated plan. As I showed in the previous comment the plan was made in the 1930s.

    I used to think as you do until I read Nicole Johnson’s well researched article on the history of farming since 1945. That is when the light bulb went on. The decay in the US way of life was orchestrated by one of the Cecil Rhodes-Milner Round Table Groups, the Committee for Economic Development, established in 1942 as a sister organization to the Council on Foreign Relations.

    …Their plan was so effective and so faithfully executed by its operatives in the US government that by 1974 the CED couldn’t help but congratulate itself in another agricultural report called “A New US Farm Policy for Changing World Food Needs” for the efficiency of the tactics they employed to drive farmers from their land.[5]

    The human cost of CED’s plans were exacting and enormous.

    CED’s plans resulted in widespread social upheaval throughout rural America, ripping apart the fabric of its society destroying its local economies. They also resulted in a massive migration to larger cities. The loss of a farm also means the loss of identity, and many farmers’ lives ended in suicide [6], not unlike farmers in India today who have been tricked into debt and desperation and can see no other way out.[7]

    CED members were influential in business, government, and agricultural colleges, and their outlook shaped both governmental policies and what farmers were taught. Farmers found themselves encouraged to give up on a farming system that employed minimal outsourced inputs and capital and get “efficient” by adopting instead a system that required they go into debt in order to purchase ever more costly inputs, like fossil-fuel based fertilizers, chemicals, seeds, feed grain, and machinery….
    http://www.opednews.com/articles/2/History-HACCP-and-the-Foo-by-Nicole-Johnson-090906-229.html

    In conjunction with that L.B. Johnson de-fanged our churches. By disrupting our communities by bankrupting our farmers causing a flood of people to cities and neutering our churches we lost control of our nation. By continuing the process by making our work force ‘ itinerant workers’ moving from place to place and flooding the country with illegals and H1b foreign workers the destruction of US society is just about complete.

    Dick Lamm the former Governor of Colorado (Democrat) has an excellent speech on AMERICAN SUICIDE that touches on this subject. (www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/l/lamm.htm#.UgenVLARhoA )

    Back to churches:

    The First Amendment clearly states: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,….”

    The Houses of Worship Political Speech Protection Act

    House Resolution 235 was designed to revise the IRS code to remove restrictions placed on churches and non-profit organizations in 1954 by then-Senator Lyndon Johnson. Prior to 1954, churches and non-profit organizations had no such restrictions on their freedom of speech or their right to speak out in favor or against political issues or candidates.

    The history of Johnson’s IRS gag order is instructive. It began with what some historians believe to be a fraudulent election of Johnson to the Senate in 1948. It has been maintained by both conservative and liberal historians that Lyndon Johnson’s election to the Senate in 1948 was won by massive voter fraud. Known as “Landslide Lyndon,” this aspiring politician was “elected” by only 87 votes. His challenger, Coke Stevenson, challenged his election and presented credible evidence that hundreds of votes for Johnson had been faked. Johnson, however, was successful in blocking Stevenson’s effort by the clever use of “cooperative” court injunctions.

    In 1954, Johnson was facing re-election to the Senate and was being aggressively opposed by two non-profit anti-Communist groups that were attacking Johnson’s liberal agenda. In retaliation, Johnson inserted language into the IRS code that prohibited non-profits, including churches, from endorsing or opposing candidates for political office. In effect, Senator Johnson used the power of the go-along Congress and the IRS to silence his opposition. Unfortunately, it worked.

    However it ONLY works on Churches since we now have the NGO-government partnerships. (link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs12134-000-1012-6#page-1 )
    And other methods that allow favored NGOs to circumvent this law. You can have a separate branch that does the political advocacy that is funded via the main NGO.

    …There is generally very little restriction on the freedoms of expression and association of NGOs under U.S. law. Although NGOs engaged in political activities may not qualify for the most preferential tax-exempt status, the U.S. government thus does not prevent NGOs from undertaking advocacy for political issues or criticizing the government….

    Foreign NGOs in the United States

    The United States hosts many foreign NGOs that do important and valuable work in our country. Foreign NGOs can register in the U.S. by filing a simple form as a non-profit entity. Some operate as non-partisan foundations, while others are affiliated with foreign political parties and operate as think tanks and liaisons to U.S. organizations concerned with foreign policy. These foundations organize programs for their respective politicians when they come to the United States, and organize conferences, youth exchanges, and fellowships/scholarships. They also provide funding to and conduct joint projects with American NGOs. Funded entirely by foreign governments, these foreign party institutes do not have special restrictions on their activities in the United States, can conduct meetings and publish materials freely, and are not required to provide reports to other U.S. federal government agencies, provided they register and file tax returns according to the requirements described below.

    As Secretary Clinton said in Krakow in July 2010, “We welcome [foreign] organizations in the belief that they make our nation stronger and deepen relationships between America and the rest of the world. And it is in that same spirit that the United States provides funding to foreign civil society organizations that are engaged in important work in their own countries. And we will continue this practice, and we would like to do more of it in partnership with other democracies.”

    Regulation of Foreign Funding of NGOs and Foreign NGOs

    Foreign Funding of U.S. NGOs

    As Secretary Clinton has said, “in the United States, as in many other democracies, it is legal and acceptable for private organizations to raise money abroad and receive grants from foreign governments, so long as the activities do not involve specifically banned sources, such as terrorist groups.” As a general matter, U.S. law imposes no limits or restrictions on the receipt of foreign funding by NGOs operating in the United States. Of course, laws that are generally applicable to all Americans may apply to NGOs, such as restrictions on receiving contributions from a terrorist organization. There are also restrictions on direct financial support of political candidates by foreign individuals….
    (www.humanrights.gov/2012/01/12/fact-sheet-non-governmental-organizations-ngos-in-the-united-states/ )

    More on the “501c3 tax-exempt religious organizations.” and how it is actually a trap. (hushmoney.org/501c3-facts.htm )

    Churches Are “Automatically Tax-Deductible”

    And what about tax-deductibility? Doesn’t a church still need to become a 501c3 so that contributions to it can be taken as a tax deduction? The answer is no! According to IRS Publication 526:
    Organizations That Qualify To Receive Deductible Contributions
    You can deduct your contributions only if you make them to a qualified organization. To become a qualified organization, most organizations other than churches and governments, as described below, must apply to the IRS.

    In the IRS’ own words a church “is automatically tax-deductible.”

  54. omanuel says:

    Gail,

    In looking back, it is difficult to know which effects were intentional and which were coincidental.

    But we can be certain that:

    1. The most powerful persons were afraid of death by nuclear annihilation in 1945, and 2. Nuclear, solar and theoretical physics became mysteriously unscientific after 1945.

    Oliver K. Manuel

    Sent from my iPhone

  55. Omanuel,
    “If you read Pointman’s post on Eva in Berlin you will realize the desperation of those on the bottom rungs of society.”

    Thanks for that link. A disturbing story indeed and well told by the edmirable “Pointman”.

    Our government is determined to help people like Eva by making them dependent on “Social Services”. The best solution is better employment opportunities but the same government drives jobs “Off Shore” while allowing a flood of illegal immigrants to compete for the jobs that do remain.

  56. adolfogiurfa says:

    I guess the problem began with your invention of the BUBBLE GUM…. LOL!

  57. Gail Combs says:

    omanuel says:

    …..In looking back, it is difficult to know which effects were intentional and which were coincidental.

    But we can be certain that:

    1. The most powerful persons were afraid of death by nuclear annihilation in 1945, and 2. Nuclear, solar and theoretical physics became mysteriously unscientific after 1945.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    However Pascal Lamy point blank states: “…All had lived through the chaos of the 1930s …including the defeated powers, agreed that the road to peace lay with building a new international order…”

    He is talking about the aftermath of WWI, the Roaring 20s and the financial collapse in 1933. Fear of ‘death by nuclear annihilation in 1945’ was just the icing on the cake and more grist for the propaganda mill. The decision was made well before that.

    Checkout CECIL RHODES AND HIS IMPERIAL VISION
    The Round Table was the product of two people: Cecil Rhodes (1853-1902) and Lord Alfred Milner (1854-1925).

    …This was not to be a living partnership, given Rhodes’s untimely death well before the Round Table was founded and their limited contacts while he was alive, but more of a posthumous association in which Milner sought to realize Rhodes’s dream of a unified British Empire. As prominent Round Table member Leopold Amery (1873-1955) later observed,

    “If the vision was Rhodes’, it was Milner who over some twenty years laid securely the foundations of a system whose power…throughout the English-speaking world…would be difficult to exaggerate”.12

    While his claims of the Round Table’s power can be forgiven as wishful thinking, Amery by no means overstates the importance of Rhodes and Milner….

    RHODES AND HIS “CONFESSION OF FAITH”

    Rhodes first put his vision of imperial unity to paper on 2 June 1877 in his handwritten testimony, the so-called “Confession of Faith”. In the Confession, Rhodes stated he had concluded that his chosen calling in life was not marriage, travel or the accumulation of wealth, but to make himself useful to his country. Expressing his belief in the inherent racial and cultural superiority of Anglo-Saxons, Rhodes argued that only the British should rule the world:

    I contend that we are the finest race in the world and the more of the world we inhabit the better it is for the human race. Just fancy those parts that are at present inhabited by the most despicable of human beings; what an alteration there would be in them if they were brought under Anglo-Saxon influence… Added to which the absorption of the greater portion of the world under our rule simply means the end of all wars.21

    To this end, Rhodes put forward his own vision of an expanded British Empire that would be achieved by the formation of a secret society:

    Why should we not form a secret society with but one object: the furtherance of the British Empire and the bringing of the whole uncivilized world under British rule for the recovery of the United States for making the Anglo-Saxon race but one Empire. What a dream, and yet it is probable, it is possible.22

    This secret society would have “its members in every part of the British Empire”, including in the schools and universities to select new members and in the Colonial legislatures, where they would “advocate the closer union of England and colonies, to crush all disloyalty and every movement for the severance of our Empire”. He also envisaged this secret society owning “portions of the press, for the press rules the mind of the people”.….

    Empire building is by no means unique in the human species and it would be surprising if there were not people of power with visions of ‘Empire’

    “The will of Cecil John Rhodes (1853-1902) created the Rhodes Scholarships, and appointed Trustees to oversee the implementation of Rhodes’s vision.” ~ History of the Rhodes Trust and Scholarships http://www.rhodeshouse.ox.ac.uk/rhodes-trust/history

    Rhodes designed the Scholarships for the purpose of educating future leaders for the world who would be committed to service in the public good, and whose interactions in Oxford and after would help over time to promote international understanding and peace. He had studied at Oriel College, Oxford, and believed that Oxford’s collegiate system especially fostered broad views and personal development. Rhodes Scholars were to be chosen on the basis of innovative criteria – excellence in intellect, character, leadership, and commitment to service….

    The Fabian/ Rhodes/ Milner interconnections: http://fabiansociety.wordpress.com/2012/11/15/hello-world/

  58. Steve C says:

    As ever, Gail Combs is right on the button. (Gail, if you had a website with just one long page of your excellent links, I’d visit it every day!) Having endured (OK, slept through) history lessons of the deadly “lists of kings and battles” variety at school, I only came to study the history of my culture relatively recently, and to be blunt it makes my blood run cold. If anyone here hasn’t read their Carroll Quigley and Eustace Mullins, I really can’t recommend them highly enough: the ongoing story of the “Anglo-Saxon Mission” is as potent a tale of raw evil as any writer ever dreamed up. At times it can feel like you’re reading a telephone directory, until you begin to notice how the same family names turn up over and over, time and again, generation after generation. Once noticed, it’s unmissable, and it induces a flesh-crawling sensation with which Edgar Allen Poe would have been delighted. This arrogant attempt at absolute power is nothing new, it has been festering quietly in dark corners of the old British Empire for well over a century.

    There was a telling little opinion piece in the Telegraph a couple of days ago, called Charities should answer to the public, not to the political elite. In it, Charles Moore queries whether the modern charity – with its overpaid CEO and its eagerness to suck at the government teat to pay him and his mates – is in any real sense an entity like what an ordinary person would understand from the word “charity”, i.e., well, a charity.

    Moore describes a blog so greasily repellent that I shall not link to it here. In this blog, as he tells us, “The interpenetration of local government, quangos, the Civil Service, charities and the Labour Party is unquestioned and unconcealed” – and, I would venture, his mention of only one of our multiple, equally compromised political parties is a purely party political point, since you wouldn’t get a cigarette paper between the lot of them in this (or practically any other) respect. I would also add to the list all the “Trusts” which are now running down national assets like the Health Service, all the holding companies, asset managers, lobbyists, pressure groups, etc. ad nauseam which are leeching fat livings for themselves out of their degeneration of our social fabric. In short, all the unelected “suits” whose crude tick-box culture is being forced into every transaction between an individual and the state, or even into transactions between individuals.

    In a word, the problem is Technocracy, although Moore somehow avoids the word. I first heard the word “Technocrat” oozing from the maw of the repulsive Kissinger, around 40 years ago, although with the easy disdain of youth I discounted it at the time as being just another jumped-up politico trying to give his poisonous nonsense legitimacy by implying that it was in some way scientific or technical. Boy, was I wrong. I found recently that the idea goes back at least to the 1930s: the copy of the “Technocracy Study Course” which you can download from here originated in 1934 and was reprinted several times during WWII. The arrogance is breathtaking:

    Technocracy points out that this Continent (the US) has the natural resources, the physical equipment, and the trained personnel to produce and distribute an abundance.
    Technocracy finds that the production and distribution of an abundance of physical wealth on a Continental scale for the use of all Continental citizens can only be accomplished by a Continental technological control-a governance of function-a Technate.
    Technocracy declares that this Continent has a rendezvous with Destiny; that this Continent must decide between Abundance and Chaos within the next few years.

    If that “Continental technological control” sounds a little like Agenda 21, well, so it should. It is one and the same thing, being implemented, against our wishes and without any consultation, by a seemingly endless fifth column of faceless “managerial types”. These creatures are busily taking over and taking down everything we have achieved for ourselves over the years, presuming in their arrogance that they have a right to dole out indulgences to what they very evidently see as the worthless lower orders. H.L.Mencken once observed that “Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard”; these arrogant little ciphers do not care what the common people want, but take unto themselves alone the Godlike power of who may be permitted to do or to own what, based only on their own, deeply flawed, prejudices.

    The latest regular occurrence I’ve heard of the word “Technocrat” was in the BBC’s coverage of the “Technocrats” which took over Italy and Greece so as to enforce “internationally sanctioned” poverty on the populations of those countries. Don’t ever think they’ve gone away.

    We in the West, and to a large extent we internationally, are coming to a point where, if we do not wrest back control of our world soon, we will find that we cannot. We must arrange for these “Technocrats” to meet their very own “rendezvous with Destiny”, in which it is made very plain to them that this world belongs to us all and that their obscene greed and arrogance will not be tolerated. We know that “They” want the poorer 90% of humanity eliminated. I would suggest that eliminating the richest 1% and their fellow travellers would result in an inconceivably greater gain to the human race.

    Afterthought: Does anyone know the “proper” opposite to the word “élite”? I really cannot bring myself to refer to the most venal and corrupt specimens of humanity with a word which means “best”, yet most people do, never pausing to think what the word means. I’m after the word which is to “élite” as “nadir” is to “zenith”, or “kakistocracy” to “aristocracy”. There must be one.

  59. punmaster says:

    Steve C,
    Elite as opposed to common? The elites are the highest, the outstanding examples of a class, or they supposedly are anyway. If the ” thinkers ” who want to control mankind are the best and brightest, ” elite ” isn’t much of an achievement, is it? Anyway, if an example of any class is the nadir is the bottom. Either ” nadir ” or ” average. “

  60. p.g.sharrow says:

    In the original American States being called a “Elitist” was a disparaging slur. A common man was the highest attainment. Perhaps this needs to be expanded as the instinct is still there. Worship of Elites is a disease that must be eradicated. We don’t need them. pg

  61. adolfogiurfa says:

    @P.G. God save the queen! :-)

  62. adolfogiurfa says:

    @E.M. Where are you? We are missing your excellent post.

  63. @ Gail Combs [12 August 2013 at 12:25 am] et al.,

    In view of united opposition of world leaders, leaders of the scientific community and publishers to getting the truth out, I may publish my autobiography on-line as “My Journey to the Core of the Sun: How an Angry, Arrogant Atheist Discovered the Creator, Destroyer & Sustainer of Life.”

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10640850/Creator_Destroyer_Sustainer_of_Life.pdf

    I would deeply appreciate comments and contacts to others with publishing experience who can advise me on how to avoid common pitfalls and make this happen ASAP.

    With kind regards,
    Oliver K. Manuel

  64. R. de Haan says:

    Stumbled this site LibertyBlitzKrieg and link this article “We are Legion, anonymous presence in the US Military: http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2013/08/12/we-are-legion-anonymous-presence-in-the-u-s-military/

  65. omanuel says:

    Thanks, R. de Haan.

    All of us on the third ball of dirt orbiting the Sun – planet Earth – are in this mess together.

    We will work together to end world tyranny, . . . or we will perish separately.

    I would like to publish the autobiography on-line, open for comments while being written (something like WordPress), with comments retained for consideration

    Sent from my iPhone

  66. punmaster says, 11 August 2013 at 12:22 pm:
    “What has gone wrong? We have gotten comfortable….
    All of these things have, or are, going by the wayside because we are tired from working…”

    That may be the epitaph for many great counties. It certainly fits my homeland (the United Kingdom). I don’t have the words to express how this saddens me so here are some words from others:

    “The Deserted Village, an excerpt”
    51 Ill fares the land, to hastening ills a prey
    52 Where wealth accumulates, and men decay
    53 Princes and lords may flourish, or may fade;
    54 A breath can make them, as a breath has made:
    55 But a bold peasantry, their country’s pride,
    56 When once destroy’d, can never be supplied.
    57 A time there was, ere England’s griefs began,
    58 When every rood of ground maintain’d its man;
    59 For him light labour spread her wholesome store,
    60 Just gave what life requir’d, but gave no more:
    61 His best companions, innocence and health;
    62 And his best riches, ignorance of wealth.
    -Oliver Goldsmith (1730?-1774)

    On the soft bed of luxury most kingdoms have expired.
    -Edward Young

    Luxury is the first, second and third cause of the ruin of republics. It is the vampire which soothes us into a fatal slumber while it sucks the lifeblood of our veins.
    -Edward Payson

    “War destroys man, but luxury destroys mankind; at once corrupts the body and the mind.”
    -John Crowne

  67. omanuel says:

    @ Gallopingcamel

    Thanks for great quotes on the decline of previous empires.

    Fear is the root cause of many human defects. The discoverer of nuclear energy had a great quote on this root problem

    “Nothing in life is to be feared. It is only to be understood.” – Marie Curie

  68. R. de Haan says:

    New Hampshire requests a tank to deal with domestic terrorist groups like Occupy Wall Street and libertarians (like Ron Paul?) http://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2013/08/12/new-hampshire-city-requests-a-tank-to-deal-with-domestic-terrorist-groups-like-occupy-wall-street-and-libertarians/

    It looks like New Hampshire regards everybody in opposition or defense of the current government policies, or even people who take precautionary measures to secure their privacy for that matter is regarded a terrorist. They must be joking don’t you think?

  69. R. de Haan says:

    Here’s another potential terrorist:

  70. R. de Haan says:

    What you see in the video above is how Government, banks, corporates and non profits join together to serve political objectives. This is corporatism = fascism. Period.

  71. R. de Haan says:

    Terrorist: Ron Paul asks why we are at war in Yemen: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-12/ron-paul-asks-why-are-we-war-yemen

  72. p.g.sharrow says:

    @Adolfo; Queen Elisabeth -The Last! has presided over the destruction of the British Empire. Time to stick a fork in it. The house of Hanover (Windsor) is done. Time for England to dispose of Her worship and her worthless family. We don’t need them. ;-)pg

  73. omanuel says:

    @ p.g.sharrow: Do members of royalty say, “Ouch !”

  74. p.g.sharrow says, 13 August 2013 at 3:06 am
    “Queen Elisabeth -The Last! has presided over the destruction of the British Empire. Time to stick a fork in it. The house of Hanover (Windsor) is done. Time for England to dispose of Her worship and her worthless family. We don’t need them. ;-)pg”

    As a Brit it pains me to agree. I used to think that the UK had an advantage over the USA because we had the Queen to look after ceremonial functions such as opening bridges and attending funerals while the Prime Minister could concentrate on running the country. In the USA the President is expected to do both. Running the USA is more than enough for any mortal so it would help to delegate ceremonial duties to someone else. How about Joe Biden for ceremonial functions?

    While Elizabeth II & Philip have done a good job on ceremonials the minor “Royals” have been a never ending source of embarrassment. Only a few of them actually work for a living so the rest have far too much time on their hands. They get into trouble or breed like rabbits.

    Probably the worst of the bunch is the pompous hypocrite known as “Prince Charles”. This chinless wonder has the nerve to demand that the great unwashed reduce their “Carbon Footprint”. He wants us to get rid of our SUVs so that we can use bicycles or buses as our main means of transportation. Will “Prince Charles” cut his personal carbon footprint? Absolutely not! He will continue to use the Royal “Yacht”. He will continue to maintain four households, the largest of which is Clarence House with 54,000 heated square feet.

  75. punmaster says:

    gallopingcamel,
    Will “Prince Charles” cut his personal carbon footprint?
    But he is an elite! He is a great asset to mankind. Being worthless is such hard work, you know.
    I would laugh if it weren’t that our own king and queen, BO and wife, eat up so much taxpayer money.

  76. Steve C says:

    omanuel says (13 August, 3:29 am):
    @ p.g.sharrow: Do members of royalty say, “Ouch !”

    Don’t be silly! They summon a servant to say it for them. ;-)

  77. Gail Combs says:

    R. de Haan says:

    Stumbled this site LibertyBlitzKrieg and link this article…. The article links to (www.buzzfeed.com/justinesharrock/anonymous-secret-presence-in-the-us-army )

    Where the commenters think he is feeding Buzz Feed B.S. maybe as a lure.

  78. Steve C says:

    Re the more serious comments on the monarchy, and whilst I am no great supporter of the system, it seems that some here believe that the Throne is the power behind the throne. Well, yeah, it may be a bastion of privilege, with a few residual powers to try and influence public affairs (cf comments on Charles), but it isn’t the highest authority in the British Isles any more than Parliament is.

    If you want to experience the full stench of corruption, do a bit of research on the City of London Corporation, and the Lord Mayor thereof (who is NOT the clown Boris, but is currently a functionary you probably never heard of called Roger Gifford). You’ll come across some interesting things, like the last 25 “rotten boroughs” in the British electoral system, voting corporations, and the fact that many British laws simply do not run there. You will discover that, should the King or Queen of the United Kingdom wish to visit this mediaeval protectorate, he or she – who may not wear anything more ornate than military uniform, so as not to outshine the true monarch and his entourage – must bow to the Lord Mayor of the City of London at Temple Gate (historically the symbolic entrance to this pit) and be invited to visit. They are then escorted around the City by their host. Like the Vatican in Rome, the City of London is a wholly separate state and wields hidden powers.

    To make yourself feel thoroughly sick, look into the influence that the City’s handful of MPs exert over Parliamentary matters: basically, if the City doesn’t want something to happen, it doesn’t happen, and if it does it does. Even George Monbiot found it almost beyond belief, and as his Green Credentials prove, he’ll believe anything.

    In short, the British Royal family are there because the City of London like it that way, and the Royals know that, however much they may bluster. The City like having them there because the City likes anything that keeps people looking at something other than itself. If you do decide to look ’em up, you’ll realise the truth of Benjamin Disraeli’s dictum that “the world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes”.

    “Enjoy.”

  79. j ferguson says:

    Steve C,
    What you have written reminds me of a conversation I had with a great uncle when I arrived in Saint Louis in 1960 to go to school. After I’d been there a while, he asked me to name some of the families who I imagined ran the place. Cupples, Busch, a few others now forgotten?

    No, The invisible powers in the area were descendants of people who had made their money on the river in mid 19th century. I recognized none of the names, nor were the actual wielders of “influence” in the phone book although other family members were.

    Uncle sat on the Missouri supreme court and had grown up in Saint Louis so I believed him.

    Some businesses are like this, or used to be like this, grain trading in Minneapolis and Chicago, for example.

    And I do like the queen, but then she’s not my queen. I suspect that she has been personally introduced to more people than anyone else in history. I wonder if she’s drawn any inferences from the experience.

  80. Gail Combs says:

    R. de Haan says:

    ….Terrorist: Ron Paul asks why we are at war in Yemen….
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Great lead in to what I was going to say.
    #1. You have the build-up of Amno, including internationally illegal rounds, by the Department of Homeland Security

    FORBES: 1.6 Billion Rounds Of Ammo For Homeland Security? It’s Time For A National Conversation

    The Denver Post, on February 15th, ran an Associated Press article entitled Homeland Security aims to buy 1.6b rounds of ammo, so far to little notice. It confirmed that the Department of Homeland Security has issued an open purchase order for 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition. As reported elsewhere, some of this purchase order is for hollow-point rounds, forbidden by international law for use in war, along with a frightening amount specialized for snipers. Also reported elsewhere, at the height of the Iraq War the Army was expending less than 6 million rounds a month. Therefore 1.6 billion rounds would be enough to sustain a hot war for 20+ years. In America…..
    (www.forbes.com/sites/ralphbenko/2013/03/11/1-6-billion-rounds-of-ammo-for-homeland-security-its-time-for-a-national-conversation/ )

    #2. You have local police departments being armed with military style weapons.

    Tanks on Main Street: The Militarization of Local Police
    ….Take a close look at your local police officers, the ones who patrol your neighborhoods and ensure the safety of your roadways. Chances are they look less and less like the benevolent keepers of the peace who patrolled Andy Griffith’s Mayberry and more like inflexible extensions of the military. As journalist Benjamin Carlson points out, “In today’s Mayberry, Andy Griffith and Barney Fife could be using grenade launchers and a tank to keep the peace.” This is largely owing to the increasing arsenal of weapons available to police units, the changing image of the police within communities, and the growing idea that the police can and should use any means necessary to maintain order.

    Moreover, as an investigative report by Andrew Becker and G.W. Schulz reveals, in communities large and small across America, local law enforcement are arming themselves to the teeth with weapons previously only seen on the battlefield. “Many police, including beat cops, now routinely carry assault rifles. Combined with body armor and other apparel, many officers look more and more like combat troops serving in Iraq and Afghanistan.”

    To our detriment, local police—clad in jackboots, helmets and shields and wielding batons, pepper-spray, stun guns, and assault rifles—have increasingly come to resemble occupying forces in our communities. “Today,” notes Paul Craig Roberts, former Assistant Secretary of the Treasury and associate editor of The Wall Street Journal, “17,000 local police forces are equipped with such military equipment as Blackhawk helicopters, machine guns, grenade launchers, battering rams, explosives, chemical sprays, body armor, night vision, rappelling gear and armored vehicles. Some have tanks. ”

    Yet appearances to the contrary, the American police force is not supposed to be a branch of the military, nor is it a private security force for the reigning political faction.
    (www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/john_whiteheads_commentary/tanks_on_main_street_the_militarization_of_local_police )

    #3. We have lost our Right of Petition and Assembly

    ….The First Amendment to our Constitution guarantees us the rights of free speech and assembly. A fundamental purpose of our free speech guarantee is to invite dispute. Protests can and have been the catalyst for positive change. Thus while we despise that protestors can burn our flag as protected political speech, and we hate that Neo-Nazis can march down our streets, we recognize the rights of these groups to do what they do and we send our troops across the world to fight for these rights.

    Last year’s “occupy movement” scared the government. On March 8, President Obama signed a law that makes protesting more difficult and more criminal. The law is titled the Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act, and it passed unanimously in the Senate and with only three “no” votes in the House. It was called the “Trepass Bill” by Congress and the “anti-Occupy law” by everyone else who commented.

    The law “improves” public grounds by forcing people – protestors – elsewhere. It amends an older law that made it a federal crime to “willfully and knowingly” enter a restricted space. Now you will be found guilty of this offense if you simply “knowingly” enter a restricted area, even if you did not know it was illegal to do so. The Department of Homeland Security can designate an event as one of “national significance,” making protests or demonstrations near the event illegal.

    The law makes it punishable by up to ten years in jail to protest anywhere the Secret Service “is or will be temporarily visiting,” or anywhere they might be guarding someone. Does the name Secret tell you anything about your chances of knowing where they are? The law allows for conviction if you are “disorderly or disruptive,” or if you “impede or disrupt the orderly conduct of Government business or official functions.” You can no longer heckle or “boo” at a political candidate’s speech, as that would be disruptive….
    (communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/leading-edge-legal-advice-everyday-matters/2012/aug/1/i-object-i-disagree-can-i-now-say-so-publicly/ )

    #4. False Flag set-up
    I already wrote about the intentional weakening of our Mexican border security.
    chiefio.wordpress.com/2013/03/21/fixing-cyprus-a-modest-suggestion/#comment-48971

    And Grope-n-Fly where Saudi Citizens are granted favored travelers status (So much for concern about real terrorists) chiefio.wordpress.com/t/t11/#comment-51168

    Finally what this is all all about and other odds and ends.

    Then there is the UN small guns treaty that Obummer wants to sign.

    Kerry says US will sign UN treaty on arms regulation despite lawmaker opposition

    Secretary of State John Kerry said Monday that the Obama administration would sign a controversial U.N. treaty on arms regulation, despite bipartisan resistance in Congress…

    Kerry…”We look forward to signing it as soon as the process of conforming the official translations is completed satisfactorily,” he said. Kerry called the treaty “an important contribution to efforts to stem the illicit trade in conventional weapons, which fuels conflict, empowers violent extremists, and contributes to violations of human rights.”

    The treaty would require countries that ratify it to establish national regulations to control the transfer of conventional arms and components and to regulate arms brokers….
    (www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06/03/lawmakers-urge-obama-to-reject-un-arms-treaty-as-it-opens-for-signature/ )

    So where does the US military fit in all this? The Soviets found the best way to control a country was to use FOREIGN soldiers with no ties to the local populus. (Think the February 2008 US/Canadian military treaty) If the US does sign that gun treaty will it now subject to INSPECTION by the UN?

    Also if you wish to take over a country first weaken its industrial and economic base, sell off its military secrets {Clinton’s China Policy: (www.artistmarket.com/writers/piraino/clintonchina.htm ) } kill off its young men by sending them off as cannon fodder in endless wars and make sure they are NOT in country and replace them with young men (illegal immigrants) from another country.

    A patriotic American soldier is being court martialed for refusing to wear a United Nations uniform and to serve under a foreign commander. When U.S. Army Specialist Michael New took the oath to defend the United States from its enemies and to uphold the U.S. Constitution, he meant exactly that. He had no idea that he would be asked to ignore that oath in order to serve the United Nations, wearing UN insignia and following orders from a foreign UN commander. But that is exactly what happened in August. Michael New was serving in Germany when he was told that his unit was to be sent to Macedonia for UN “peacekeeping” operations. In Macedonia, he would be expected to take directions from a foreign officer and wear UN garb. His mission heading stated that his unit would act to “make the UN presence known.”

    His response, as reported in the cover story of The New American, Oct. 2, 1995, p. 5:

    “I have a problem with that, because I am not UN. I explained this to my lieutenant, and told him, ‘Sir, I don’t think I should have to wear a UN arm band or a UN beret. I’m enlisted in the U.S. Army; I am not a U.N. soldier. I have taken no vow to the UN; I have taken an oath to defend the Constitution of the United States of America from enemies foreign and domestic. I regard the UN as a separate power…. Where does my oath say that I have to wear UN insignia?'”

    New offered to serve in Macedonia as a medic and promised to help his fellow soldiers, but said that he would not wear the UN uniform because of his oath to serve the United States. His officers still insisted that he wear the uniform and follow their orders, regardless of his oath. For this he is being court martialled.

    Some say that New is just unwilling to serve or engage in UN directed activities. This is not true. He served for six-weeks in Kuwait, a UN-directed action, but there he served in American uniform and under American officers.

    Recruiting patriotic Americans into the United States military only to ask them to become UN soldiers seems like a classic bait-and-switch scam.….

    Feb. 6, 1996 note: Michael New has been dishonorably discharged in a trial that lasted about 15 minutes….
    (www.jefflindsay.com/MichaelNew.shtml )

    The UN and WTO are encroaching more and more into our government. The New Food Safety Modernization Act included a one liner giving the WTO the right to dictate US farm/food law.

    WTO Strikes Down Country-of-Origin Labeling (www.foodsafetynews.com/2011/11/wto-strikes-down-cool-except-for-meat/#.UgpIh7ARhoA )

    US Reps Ask UN Observers To Monitor Nov Election

    WASHINGTON (AFP) – Several members of the House of Representatives have requested the United Nations (news – web sites) to send observers to monitor the November 2 US presidential election….
    ( rense.com/general54/uno.htm)

    I very much do NOT like the way things are lining up.

  81. Gail Combs says:

    On a lighter note jefflindsay dot com Has

    Year 2013 Course Offerings
    in the Department of
    Politically Correct Physics
    http://www.jefflindsay.com/PCPhysics.shtml

  82. omanuel says:

    Thanks, Gail, for link to Jeff Lindsay.

    He is the brightest physicist I’ve encountered in a while.

    Oliver K. Manu

    Sent from my iPhone

  83. Gail Combs says:

    More from the Ron Paul website that goes with my last essay:

    Welcome to Post-Constitution America: The Weapons of War Come Home

    Enough to give you nightmares.

  84. Dear friends,

    Let me assure you all, Big Brother is a bully that derives all his power from our fears.

    Big Brother is now losing his 68-year battle to hide the Creator, Destroyer and Sustainer of Life:

    http://theinternetpost.net/2013/08/12/the-creator-destroyer-sustainer-of-life/

    Then everyone will know Big Brother is a bag of wind.

    All is well,
    Oliver K. Manuel

  85. adolfogiurfa says:

    Hey Goyim! :-)
    Goyim are mentally inferior to Jews and can’t run their nations properly. For their sake and ours, we need to abolish their governments and replace them with a single government. This will take a long time and involve much bloodshed, but it’s for a good cause. Here’s what we’ll need to do:
    Place our agents and helpers everywhere
    Take control of the media and use it in propaganda for our plans
    Start fights between different races, classes and religions
    Use bribery, threats and blackmail to get our way
    Use Freemasonic Lodges to attract potential public officials
    Appeal to successful people’s egos
    Appoint puppet leaders who can be controlled by blackmail
    Replace royal rule with socialist rule, then communism, then despotism
    Abolish all rights and freedoms, except the right of force by us
    Sacrifice people (including Jews sometimes) when necessary
    Eliminate religion; replace it with science and materialism
    Control the education system to spread deception and destroy intellect
    Rewrite history to our benefit
    Create entertaining distractions
    Corrupt minds with filth and perversion
    Encourage people to spy on one another
    Keep the masses in poverty and perpetual labor
    Take possession of all wealth, property and (especially) gold
    Use gold to manipulate the markets, cause depressions etc.
    Introduce a progressive tax on wealth
    Replace sound investment with speculation
    Make long-term interest-bearing loans to governments
    Give bad advice to governments and everyone else
    Eventually the Goyim will be so angry with their governments (because we’ll blame them for the resulting mess) that they’ll gladly have us take over. We will then appoint a descendant of David to be king of the world, and the remaining Goyim will bow down and sing his praises. Everyone will live in peace and obedient order under his glorious rule.

  86. Gail Combs says:

    Slightly off topic.

    ‘John Galt’ names the one man who had the inside info on Obama and Seal Team 6 scandal and the Benghazi scandal. This man who could topple Obama

    …Unfortunately the one man who has all of the truth behind the Defense Department and CIA scandals resigned in shame on November 9, 2012. The questions are swirling about General David Petraeus and why he has yet to come forward:

    Was he or his family threatened should he ever divulge anything?

    Was he paid to stay silent?

    Was he originally part of the plan and forced to retire early for refusing to execute future plans on behalf of the Globalist cabal?

    Is he a yellow bellied coward who just doesn’t care about his country any longer?

    Petraeus is the one man with all of the inside knowledge about many scandals and quite possibly might know if like Nixon, the CIA was ordered to engage in dirty tricks against the Tea Party, Romney campaign, and select Republican candidates running for office in 2012. If he were to step forward and do his patriotic duty by obeying the oath he took on the day he enlisted in the military to uphold and protect the United States Constitution, President Obama would be out of office long before the end of 2014.
    http://johngaltfla.com/wordpress/2013/05/23/the-one-man-who-can-end-barack-obamas-presidency-tomorrow/

    A few months later we now have the answer: He was paid off.

    …red Gen. David Petraeus to join investment firm…

    According to a release issued by the firm, the KKR Global Institute will ”further build on the firm’s efforts to help KKR’s portfolio companies expand globally, and it will periodically serve as an outlet for publishing the firm’s thought leadership products, including views from portfolio managers and industry experts.”…

    ed in November after it was revealed that he had engaged in an affair with a woman who wrote a biography of him, Paula Broadwell.

    In his new job, Petraeus will work with former Republican National Committee chairman Ken Mehlman, who is KKR’s Global Head of Public Affairs.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/05/30/retired-gen-david-petraueus-to-join-investment-firm/

    And if you do a bit of digging…

    KKR & Co. L.P. (formerly known as Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co.) is an American multinational private equity firm, specializing in leveraged buyouts, headquartered in New York. The firm sponsors and manages private equity investment funds. Since its inception, the firm has completed over $400 billion of private equity transactions and was a pioneer in the leveraged buyout industry.[2][3]

    The firm was founded in 1976 by Jerome Kohlberg, Jr., and cousins Henry Kravis and George R. Roberts, all of whom had previously worked together at Bear Stearns, where they completed some of the earliest leveraged buyout transactions…. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kohlberg_Kravis_Roberts

    Leveraged buyouts are what broke the back of US industry and transfered the built up wealth in our US corporations and transfered it to the elite. Statistics (courtesy of Bridgewater) showed in 1990, Foreign ownership of U.S. assets amounted to 33% of U.S. GDP. By 2002 this had increased to over 70% of U.S. GDP. – http://www.fame.org/HTM/greg%20Pickup

    If you want the really long analysis I can give it to you.

    %201%2010%2003%20report.htm

  87. omanuel says:

    Thanks, Gail.

    Quite an impressive bunch of scandals allied against a force that is infinitely more powerful.

    http://theinternetpost.net/2013/08/12/the-creator-destroyer-sustainer-of-life/

    All is well, Oliver

    Sent from my iPhone

  88. Gail Combs says:

    omanuel says:

    Thanks, Gail, for link to Jeff Lindsay.

    He is the brightest physicist I’ve encountered in a while.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Thanks for that info. I will add his site to the ones I like to keep track of.

  89. tom0mason says:

    …………………………………………………………………………..
    @p.g.sharrow
    “Queen Elisabeth -The Last! has presided over the destruction of the British Empire. Time to stick a fork in it. The house of Hanover (Windsor) is done. Time for England to dispose of Her worship and her worthless family. We don’t need them. ;-)pg
    …………………………………………………………………………..

    Oh come on, these ‘royals’ are the worlds best watched ‘soap opera’. Just think of all the shenanigans yet to come as blathering Prince Charley is sidelined in favor the more compliant and younger generation. All the faux pomp and ceremony that the Brits will go through when Prince Phil (the Greek) of Edinburgh dies, and more so when Queen Betty Windsor passes on. While razzmatazz and chutzpah will be outrageous, the whole world will lap it up, and the Brits will pay for it.

    Sorry but it is still the worlds best jewel encrusted soap opera, and long may the Brits pay for it! :-)

  90. Oliver Manuel says:

    Typo correction:

    scandals –> scoundrels

    Sent from my iPhone

  91. Zeke says:

    Adolfo, didn’t Chiefio ask you not to post anti-semitic remarks on his blog?

  92. Oliver Manuel says:

    We do not know, and do not need to know, the racial or religious identity of the group of scoundrels that were driven by fear of nuclear annihilation into

    1. Forming the UN and ending national boundaries

    2. Molding science into a tool of government propaganda to hide energy (E) stored as mass (m) in cores of atoms, stars, galaxies and some planets.

    Fear and the instinct of survival drive all of us into selfishness.

    Oliver K. Manuel

    Sent from my iPhone

  93. Steve C says:

    I fear Zeke is right, Adolfo. For penance, list half a dozen really positive Jewish role models.

    Best place to look is probably music, starting perhaps with Daniel Barenboim. Not only did he join with the Palestinian Edward Said to found the West-Eastern Divan Orchestra, to encourage young Jewish and Palestinian musicians to play together, but his recent BBC Proms concert performance of the Ring Cycle – written by the notoriously anti-Jewish Richard Wagner, of course – went down a storm. (Rightly. It left this old Wagnerian shredded, as it should. Thank you very much, Daniel.)

    Re. Jeff Lindsay – wonderful find! I love the S.T.U.P.I.D.!

  94. adolfogiurfa says:

    The elders of zion were only a very few among that people, the speculative elite bankers of the NWO who have no doubted to harm their supposedly own people as it is remarked in one of the protocols. Sacrifice people (including Jews sometimes) when necessary

  95. Tim Clark says:

    OT::
    Los Angeles breaks its all-time record for the most consecutive days below 80 degrees on Tuesday, reaching 81 degrees Tuesday afternoon.

  96. R. de Haan says:

    Gail Combs says:
    13 August 2013 at 1:07 pm
    R. de Haan says:

    Stumbled this site LibertyBlitzKrieg and link this article…. The article links to (www.buzzfeed.com/justinesharrock/anonymous-secret-presence-in-the-us-army )

    Where the commenters think he is feeding Buzz Feed B.S. maybe as a lure.”

    You could be right with your assessment.

    I had similar thoughts when I visited the German site Deutsche Wirtschafts Nachrichten.
    This site is extremely critical of the EU, the position of the German banking system and the true objectives of politics. something very rare in Germany. Reading the critical comments (from Germans) was like a breath of fresh air in many cases.

    Until I posted some comments on climate related subjects and my postings were removed.
    Obviously no foreign input allowed.

    This made me wary and I started smelling a rat. The rat is the BND knowing exactly who is critical about the political system.

  97. Gail Combs says:

    adolfogiurfa says:
    Wasn’t the Protocols of Zion traced back to the Russians?

    Most historians now believe it was created by agents of the tsar’s secret police force (the Okhrana) using plagiarised text from an 1864 French satire. The Protocols first appeared in print in 1903…

    The suggestion that Jews were hell-bent on world domination was not a new idea in 1903; it had been propagated by French and German authors for at least three decades. The idea of a ‘Jewish world conspiracy’ was strengthened by the First Zionist Congress, an 1897 conference in Switzerland that was attended by European Jewish leaders. The main focus of the congress was discussion about a potential homeland for Jewish people – but extremists claimed it as evidence of a more sinister objectives….

    Arguably the most high-profile publisher of the Protocols was American automobile magnate Henry Ford, who had his private printing presses run off a half-million copies for distribution. Ford also bought and operated a small newspaper, the Dearborn Independent, which between 1920 and 1922 published dozens of articles that drew on the content of the Protocols. Ford was later forced to apologise, though he remained a fervent anti-Semite. In the 1930s he became a strong supporter of the German Nazi Party and corresponded frequently with Adolf Hitler. Hitler himself had read The Protocols of Zion. In his biography, Mein Kampf, he proclaimed that “they reveal the nature and activity of the Jewish people and expose their inner contexts as well as their ultimate final aims”.
    http://alphahistory.com/holocaust/the-protocols-of-zion/

    We see this same type of propaganda happening right now with looney Lew and Cook cooking up false studies and publishing them in ‘Peer-reviewed’ journals showing ‘Deniers’ are crazy. We also had Peter Glieck stealing information from Heartland and when he could not ‘find’ the damning evidence he was looking for he made it up and sented to Cook (SkS) to publish and disseminate.

  98. Gail Combs says:

    Guys? can you do me a favor.
    Leif Svalgaard says:
    ….. This shows your failure to communicate effectively. Oneself is the poorest judge of such things. If your audience does not get it, it is your fault, not theirs.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Can you look at the two comments and see if I have a failure in communication problem or if it is a closed mind problem. I try to write for the unseen peanut gallery at WUWT so this is important to me.

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/13/solar-cycle-24-continues-the-slump/#comment-1388644

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/13/solar-cycle-24-continues-the-slump/#comment-1388967

  99. philjourdan says:

    @Tim Clark – Crap! I am heading there this weekend! I was hoping for warm weather!

  100. omanuel says:

    The winners of WWII realized that both sides had atomic bombs and the winner was decided by chance.

    It could have been Los Angeles or San Francisco instead of Hiroshima or Nagasaki.

    Sent from my iPhone

  101. omanuel says:

    Gail,

    You communicate well and your message is scientifically superior to the consensus science of Lief et al.

    But Lief is at WUWT to make certain the obvious errors of AGW do not also expose the errors of the Standard Solar Model, astronomy, astrophysics, cosmology, geology, nuclear, particle and planetary physics.

    I appreciate your comments, but I suspect they scare the he’ll out of those who have lived their entire scientific careers feeding from the trough of public funds.

    Sent from my iPhone

  102. Gail Combs says:

    Thanks Oliver,
    As I said I am not trying to change the very closed mind of Lief. The sun could go super nova and he would STILL be claiming the sun is not variable even as he fried.

    There are an awful lot of lurkers at WUWT so it is well worth the effort to refute what he says and to do so clearly.

  103. “The winners of WWII realized that both sides had atomic bombs and the winner was decided by chance.

    It could have been Los Angeles or San Francisco instead of Hiroshima or Nagasaki.”

    Fear and the instinct of survival convinced the winners to take control of the world to save themselves from nuclear annihilation.

    If the other side had won, we would probably be in the same mess today.

    Why ? Fear induces selfish behavior. In all of us. Jews, Gentiles, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindu’s, etc.

    The solution: Accept reality, no matter how much it conflicts with your desire to be in control.

    Earth accreted from heterogeneous supernova debris and orbits the pulsar core that made our elements, birthed the solar system, and sustained the origin and evolution of life.

  104. p.g.sharrow says:

    @Gail; some people are highly educated and have been TAUGHT everything in the book. Others study every thing as to cause and effect and LEARN to connect the dots.
    I find Leif and Pam to be the former and very good at providing the book facts, but not so good at seeing the whole picture.
    I find that you present so much information that it is like walking across a ploughed field to follow your thoughts. Hard work but often worth the effort to get to the other side. I like your connections of El Nino to the winds through Drakes passage, although the cause and effect of the Ozone to cold to circumpolar winds is not, to my knowledge, settled.
    I once had a friend that could remember everything he read or saw. He felt that with enough facts he would achieve understanding and reach solution. Never happened. I try to see the connections of cause and effect and if some of the facts are missing it is not important as they can be inferred. So I can reach solutions to problems with incomplete information. People that seek knowledge will follow your work, want to LEARN, others that want a quick read, to be TAUGHT, will pass it over.
    I was never very good at being taught. brain damaged 8-) pg

  105. adolfogiurfa says:

    @All: You must watch this:

  106. @Gail

    Lief is not trying to convince you, but the masses who believe the opinions of Stanford scientists are not swayed by grant funds. Oliver

  107. Gail Combs says:

    Tim Clark says:
    14 August 2013 at 1:27 pm

    OT::
    Los Angeles breaks its all-time record for the most consecutive days below 80 degrees on Tuesday, reaching 81 degrees Tuesday afternoon.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    I do not know about breaking any records but in 2004, ten years, about one solar cycle ago

    Central North Carolina Monthly temps over 90F foryear 2004.&.year 2013
    April 2013 (0)………..April 2004 (6)
    ……………………………..2 days – 91F
    …………………………….4 days – 93F

    May 2013 (0)………………May 2004 (17)
    ………………………………6 days – 91F
    …………………………….6 days – 93F
    …………………………… 2 days – 95F
    …………………………….1 days – 96F
    …………………………….2 days – 98F

    June 2013 (3)……June 2004 (11)
    2 days – 90F……………0 day – 90F
    ……………………………1 days – 91F
    ……………………………7 days – 93F
    1 days – 95F……………none
    …………………………….2 days – 96
    …………………………..1 days – 98F

    July 2013 (6)……July 2004 (24)
    3 days – 90F……………0 day – 90F
    1 day – 91F……………4 day – 91F
    2 days – 92F……………0 day – 92F
    …………………………..11 days – 93F
    …………………………..1 days – 95F
    ………………………….1 days – 96F
    ………………………….7 days – 98F

    So far as of August 14 where the temp is 75F at 11:33:
    August2013 (4)……August 2004 (7)
    1 day – 90F……………0 day – 90F
    2 days – 91F…………..0 day – 91F
    1 day – 93F………….5 days – 93F
    …………………………..1 days – 95F
    …………………………..1.days – 98F

    Thats 13 days over 90F with only two at 95F for this year vs 65 days over 90F and 11 days at 98F and 19 at 95 and above.

    It is Darn Cold (and did I mention soggy?) this summer.

  108. Gail Combs says:

    Thanks guys.

    P.G., I do the plowed field bit because I have found it necessary to back up what I am trying to say with facts preferably from peer-reviewed papers or other ‘Authorities’ otherwise I end up feeling like the ball in a rugby match. I am also normally trying to connecting a long series of dots. If I just provide a link, it doesn’t get read or if it does people do not see the nugget I found. BTDT and it flopped. It does make the communication a bit of a problem and my posts long.

    The ozone connection is a bit weak and they are still working on it. Mainly the work got sidelined because of the “CFCs cause ozone holes” political agenda.

    One commenter, Gary Pearse, at WUWT brought up ozone following the earth’s magnetic fields.
    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/08/ozone-hole-may-be-a-warming-factor-due-to-wind-shifts/#comment-1384779 an interesting thought that might tie in with Vukcivic’s work.

    Also changes in the amount of solar UV and E-UV wave lengths as well as the solar winds changing the Cosmic Ray flux.

    (earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Features/Ozone/ozone_2.php )

    (wattsupwiththat.com/2013/01/31/ozone-depletion-trumps-greenhouse-gas-increase-in-jet-stream-shift/ )

    (www.climatecentral.org/news/ozone-holes-shifting-winds-may-be-sapping-major-carbon-sink-15530 )

  109. Gail Combs says:

    Oliver,
    Paul Ehrlich taints Stanford University.

    Paul Ehrlich and Obama’s Science Czar, Holdern’s book Ecoscience, is enough to convince anyone who is sane these people are either evil or have a screw loose. In either case they should not be holding the high level positions in our society that they do.

    On line quotes from Ecoscience are here:
    http://zombietime.com/john_holdren/

    They are enough to give you nightmares.

  110. Gail Combs says:

    And to add to the weather report.

    FROM WUWT US Corn Belt and the Summer Chill
    PeterB in Indianapolis says:
    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/13/the-us-corn-belt-and-the-summer-chill/#comment-1389623
    This morning in Whiteland Indiana (Central Indiana, about 20 miles south of Indy), it was a balmy 48F at 6:15 this morning, and the predicted high for today is only 72F. The cool weather (below 80 for the highs with night-time lows in the upper 40s to low 50s) is supposed to persist for about 3 more days. After that, they are projecting a 2-week period (so far) with highs in the low to mid 80s and lows in the mid 60s, which should help the corn crop.

    Last year by this date, Central Indiana had close to 40 days with temperatures > 90F for the high, with about 10 over 100F. This year, we have had FOUR (that’s right 4) days with temperatures > 90F for the high, with none over 100F. I know this is just “weather”, but it has been SIGNIFICANTLY cooler this entire year in Central Indiana than it was in 2012….

  111. adolfogiurfa says:

    @All: Those weather changes will be easy to explain if you see the video I posted above.

  112. Gail Combs says:

    And another: WUWT The Early Chill in the Arctic Continues.
    Todd says:
    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/08/14/the-early-chill-in-the-arctic-continues/#comment-1389671

    Above 80 degrees? How about below 49 degrees? The growing season in Northern Minnesota is officially over as northern Minnesota has logged it’s first freezing temperatures of the fal, er, make that summer. At least I think it’s summer.

  113. omanuel says:

    Gail,

    You are a refreshing reminder of science in a boring field of consensus pseudo-science. An unlikely set of coincidences produced my fanatical love of science.

    I am naturally curious about the background of any other person that exhibits this anomalous attitude toward Nature/God/Truth/Reality!

    Sent from my iPhone

  114. gallopingcamel says:

    Gail Combs, 14 August 2013 at 2:14 pm
    Thanks for all that stuff about the “Protocols of Zion”.

    Since childhood I was exposed to that kind of c**p from someone I was really fond of to the day he died. Someone I respected with good reason. It is tough when good people have dreadful failings.

  115. j ferguson says:

    gc, you weren’t alone.

    I showed up at Uni in 1960 full of this stuff. It’s taken most of my life to shed it all. I quickly realized that almost everything I’d heard was nonsense and that it was pernicious and I learned to control my mouth, at least most of the time. but I never grasped how very much a part of me this stuff had become until later in life.

    My wife suffers the same discomfort.

    We are very happy that we stopped the chain of communicating these untruths at our generation and our kids are completely free of them, as seems to be most of their cohort – Gen X, I think they are called.

  116. Gail Combs says:

    Oliver,
    I had great parents and loved reading and science from an early age . My parents encouraged my thirst for knowledge from rock hounding trips to trips to museums. We even made the trip to the Bay of Fundy to watch the tide come in and collect rocks and Coney Island (?), not to see the amusement park but to walk the beach and look at the tide pools. All before the age of ten.

  117. Gail Combs says:

    Camel,

    The “Protocols of Zion” were made credible because of the connection of Jews to banking especially the House of Rothschild and its control of the European and US banks. Think Paul Warberg, Otto Kahn, Jacob Schiff….

    There was also the tendency for the Rothschilds to carefully pick spouses that were ‘Useful’ AND Jewish.

  118. Gail Combs says:

    OH, and it is now 10:00 with a temperature of 63F and sunny in NC, Global Warming WHAT global Warming….

    It feels like mid September.

  119. PhilJourdan says:

    @Gail – being just north of you, we are at about the same temperature.

    But I am not complaining! ;-) A rare – and very welcome – spring/fall day in the dog days of summer!

  120. R. de Haan says:

    adolfogiurfa says:
    14 August 2013 at 3:38 pm
    @All: You must watch this:

    Ok Adolfo, I have watched it. Although the I agree with questioning the “non” CME events, I think the wild fires caused by lightning is something well within the norm. The reality is that we currently have the lowest rate of wild fires in history and the smallest area affected.http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2013/05/05/quietest-year-on-record-for-forest-fires-in-the-us/

  121. R. de Haan says:

    Gail Combs says:
    13 August 2013 at 3:21 pm”

    Thanks for the input Gail, it’s much appreciated.

    As for the soldier who refuses to serve under the UN and the UN Uniform, I can tell you I would have made the same decision. The UN stinks so I stay away. Same now goes for the entire so called “Western World”. The big crash is approaching fast now and when it comes it will be followed by the biggest slaughter in human history.

    Any suggestions for a safe haven?

  122. adolfogiurfa says:

    @R.de Haan: Any suggestions for a safe haven?…Nibiru?

  123. Oliver Manuel says:

    I do not think there will be any safe haven for Big Brother.

    “Pride goeth before the fall.”

    Sent from my iPhone

  124. omanuel says:

    @Gail Combs 1:20 pm

    Our paths were very different but we share a love for science.

    I hope to complete an autobiography on “My journey to the core of the Sun”, perhaps with the subtitle, “How an angry, arrogant atheist discovered the Creator, Destroyer & Sustainer of Life.”

    Oliver

  125. omanuel says:

    There is no safe haven, Adolfogiurfa, for Big Brother.

    “Pride goeth before the fall.”

  126. Gail Combs says:

    R. de Haan says: @ 16 August 2013 at 12:51 am
    ….. The big crash is approaching fast now and when it comes it will be followed by the biggest slaughter in human history.

    Any suggestions for a safe haven?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Unfortunately no. When this blows it is going to be WWIII. The traitors in the US government have given China and now Russia our military expertise. The elite might think they are setting-up a world government by the BRIC countries have made it clear they are as fed-up with the crap as we are. If the EU and the USA have internal ‘Urban Wars’ do not expect China and Russia to remain on the side lines. Russia will go after the EU and China wants all that nice fertile land in North America. South Africa may go for the rest of Africa and Brazil South America?
    …….

    I am in a rural area and if we knock down two bridges the area becomes very hard to access. I and my neighbors have plenty of horses and equipment so if we can keep our heads down we might just make it.

    My only hope is the internet has woken up a heck of a lot more people that the elite think and our US soldiers are loyal to their oath as that brave young man was.

    The slaughter is going to be mainly in the urban areas so that is where NOT to be. The survivalist types stuck in the cities would do well to make really good friends with the farming community outside their area NOW.

  127. adolfogiurfa says:

    @omanuel: I disagree, Big Brother´s actions closely resemble those of conceited low intelligence kids. What´s the use of having so much power?..that´s utterly silly.

  128. adolfogiurfa says:

    @Gail Combs: About 1968 I was reading a book about Edgard Cayce´s readings, its title is “Edgard Cayce-The Sleeping Prophet” by Jess Stern (Bantam Books, 1967 edition), there (and then) I read that the communist regime was going to fall, something impossible to conceive or to just believe in then.
    There, on page 85, it reads: “On Russia´s religious development”, he said at the height of the Stalin tyranny,”will come the greater hope of the world. Then that one, or group, that is closer in its relationship o Russsia], may fare better in gradual changes and final settlement of conditions as to the rule of the world”.

  129. Steve C says:

    Unfortunately, I agree with Gail re, WWIII. Someone on the radio a few months ago pointed out that “They” had held major wars in the second decade of the 17th, 18th, 19th and 20th centuries, so why mess with a formula which has paid Them so handsomely for the last few centuries? And the “tech” is even more enormously expensive / profitable these days.

    @Adolfo – Another one. For some time, I used to do voluntary work at a Rudolf Steiner school, where I got to know a little about Steiner’s life. In (IIRC) 1920, he was giving a lecture about agriculture (Biodynamics is his). During the “question time” at the end, someone had to ask him, “Herr Doktor Steiner, Herr Doktor Steiner, what do you think of the Russian revolution?” (relatively recent at the time). Steiner looked over at him and said, “It’s a seventy year social experiment,” then went back to answering agricultural questions.

    On another occasion, he remarked that the British system is designed to support 10,000 people, and the rest are serfs. Although he always claimed to receive his wisdom directly from the spiritual realm, I do wonder sometimes just what sort of contacts he really had. He was too right too often.

  130. omanuel says:

    More and more ordinary folks are aware something is basically wrong with our government.

    Probably nobody knows for certain why, but clearly society is deeply troubled.

    I am certain that nature:

    1. Generates H in stars

    2. Causes neutrons to repel

    3. Consists of two forms of one particle, the neutron and the H-atom.

    Sent from my iPhone

  131. adolfogiurfa says:

    @omanuel: Neutrons do not repel among them, they just ignore all around them :-)
    Only protons like us want electrons very close…

  132. Sweet Old Bob says:

    MOD(s) re comment 7 aug 957pm -go ahead and delete–was a serious question,even if poorly asked-gov. seems to be giving them away w/o questions…are they tracking them?

  133. Gail Combs says:

    Steve C says:
    16 August 2013 at 2:54 pm

    Unfortunately, I agree with Gail re, WWIII

    …..Steiner looked over at him and said, “It’s a seventy year social experiment,” then went back to answering agricultural questions.

    On another occasion, he remarked that the British system is designed to support 10,000 people, and the rest are serfs. Although he always claimed to receive his wisdom directly from the spiritual realm, I do wonder sometimes just what sort of contacts he really had. He was too right too often.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    I agree with Steiner. I think the Soviet Union and The European Union were both set up as “seventy year social experiment[s]” by the banker elite/ Fabians/Puppet Masters or what every the name.

    The ‘Communist Dictatorship’ model was deemed a failure because the serfs were not willing to work. The US Constitutional Republic allowed the serfs too much freedom and made it difficult to extract their wealth without their knowledge. The European ‘Socialist’ experiment was deemed the most successful but it needed tweaking and so we have the “Third Way.”

    You can look at the discussion at WUWT between richardscourtney myself and others.

    In thinking about it the ‘Socialism’ Richard is describing with entrepeneurship, individual freedom and even ‘Capitalism’ is really ‘Third Way Socialism’ which is supported by Bill Clinton, Tony Blair and former London School of Economics Director, Anthony Giddens.

    What is the Third Way?

    “…Put at its most basic the Third Way is something different and distinct from liberal capitalism with its unswerving belief in the merits of the free market and democratic socialism with its demand management and obsession with the state. The Third Way is in favour of growth, entrepeneurship, enterprise and wealth creation but it is also in favour of greater social justice and it sees the state playing a major role in bringing this about. So in the words of one of its gurus Anthony Giddens of the LSE the Third Way rejects top down socialism as it rejects traditional neo liberalism….

    The other and related criticism of course is that the Third way is no more than a crude attempt (rather a successful one thus far) to construct a bogus coalition between the haves and the have nots – bogus because it entices that haves by assuring them that the economy will be sound and their interests are not threatened, while promising the have nots a world free from poverty and injustice. I don’t accept this is entirely fair and I hope I can show it does amount to more than mere opportunism even if that its electoral success both here and in the United states has been dependent on winning over middle class voters to parties that have often been regarded with suspicion by the better off.

    So if the Third Way is not any of those things or not those things alone, then what is it? Giddens in his analysis begins by pointing to a changing world and suggests that the Third Way is a response to that change – not merely electoral opportunism then but a rational response to a new political social and economic environment.

    At the heart of these developments lie globalisation – such is the nature of world trade and the rapid movement of capital that modern governments are no longer in control of their national destinies – electronic money flies around the world and is 60 times the value of goods.

    The capacity of government to influence events is thus diminished – Robert Reich Clinton’s one time Labour secretary argued that after ensuring that there were the right conditions for maximising trade and encouraging investment governments were left with two crucial variables they could affect – first the skills of their population – making their workforce more competitive through higher levels of education and training and second, building an efficient infrastructure of transport links, utilities and I suppose in the British context hospitals and schools, the social infrastructure.

    Giddens goes further suggesting that the Third Way sees the nation state as too big for small problems and too small for big ones – hence the enthusiasm for devolution in the UK and the passing of some functions to Europe. And recently with the war in the Balkans there has been the beginning of a debate about the end of the sanctity of the nation state and the emergence of a new moral order which does not accept the old notion that what one does within one’s own borders is one’s own business.….
    (news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/458626.stm )

    This is the only ‘Short’ article (it goes on much longer) that I have found that gives an explanation of what the Third Way actually is. It also makes it pretty darn clear that it is tightly tied to Global Governance.

    Then there is Giddens book:

    http://www.amazon.com/The-Third-Way-Renewal-Democracy/dp/0745622674

    “….But what is the third way? Supporters of the notion haven’t been able to agree, and critics deny the possibility altogether. Anthony Giddens shows that developing a third way is not only a possibility but a necessity in modern politics. The third way represents the renewal of social democracy in a world where the views of the old left have become obsolete, while those of the new right are inadequate and contradictory. A new social democratic agenda is emerging that is integrated, robust and wide-ranging. It is an agenda that can rekindle political idealism.”

    Comment on the book:
    “…. Curious to know more about the “Third Way” so derided by orthodox Socialists and other leftists, I picked it up and began to read. This book was the first factor that caused me to shift my thinking away from the orthodoxy of the old left and toward a modernized vision of Social Democracy for the 21st century. Giddens makes it clear through his analysis of the evolution of the modern economy that Socialism is dead, and that no viable alternative to a market economy exists anymore. He makes a strong case for letting go of orthodox Social Democracy and moving forward to a new system that incorporates the potential of modern education and technology. He also makes it plain that the state is still necessary to promote equality, protect the environment, and mitigate the natural negative effects of the capitalist system. I recommend picking this up and taking a look at Gidden’s ideas for moving the world forward to a system that rejects the orthodoxy of both the left and the right, and calls for us to seek out a newer world.”

  134. omanuel says:

    @ Adolfogiurfa,

    Neutron repulsion in cores of atoms, planets, stars and galaxies powers the cosmos.

    Nuclear rest mass data leave no doubt about neutron repulsion.

    Why do you seek to deny that without addressing the data?

    @Gail Combs,

    The third way sounds very similar to the Buddha’s middle way. That may be the answer, but we can’t get there by deceitful practices of Clinton et al.

  135. adolfogiurfa says:

    @omanuel: I am not denying anything, just made a funny commentary comparing men with protons and women with electrons….and politicians with neutrons :-)

  136. R. de Haan says, 16 August 2013 at 12:51 am
    “The big crash is approaching fast now and when it comes it will be followed by the biggest slaughter in human history………………Any suggestions for a safe haven?”
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    For the last 30 years I have been visiting Colombia and the UK for periods of a few days to more than 6 months. Each visit to the UK is a profound disappointment; somehow this once great nation manages to sink lower that what I thought was the “rock bottom” of my previous visit. The decline started in July 1945 when Atlee promised to create a “Welfare State”. There was a brief resurgence during the Thatcher years fueled by North Sea oil.

    Colombia on the other hand is a much larger country with boundless potential. On each visit I am amazed by the advances made since the last time. There are still plenty of problems such as the most irritating bureacracy imaginable, extreme difficulty in getting a local bank account if you are a foreigner, ridiculously complex property leasing contracts, etc. etc. On the plus side there are plenty of wonderful schools, affordable health care (~5 times lower cost than the USA), low property taxes, whatever climate you like and much more.

    In spite of the problems I have a good feeling about Colombia and plan to re-locate to Llano Grande, close to Medellin airport when the time is right. That might be sooner rather than later given Obamacare, Common Core Standards and draconian behavior by our “Servants” ingovernment such as the EPA.

  137. Graeme No.3 says:

    gallopingcamel says: re UK declining…
    Agree. Have just returned from visit, and despite the sun shining as it hadn’t done for 36 years, things hadn’t improved from last visit 35 years ago. Australia, despite current government, looks a better bet for the future.
    Re collapse: try http://dailyreckoning.com/the-gold-lease-story-you-havent-heard/
    Gold ‘lease’ rates have jumped from 0.12% in June to 0.30% in July. How do you ‘lease’ gold?
    You don’t, unless you are a large bank e.g. Goldboys Greed & Sacking Corp.
    You lease gold from somebody who has it e.g. a federal reserve. They store the gold and lease it to you for a long term loan. The reserve or central bank gets the monthly fee to pay their costs.
    The Goldboys G&S Corp. then practices fractional reserve gold lending i.e. it creates Gold Certificates entitling the buyer to a certain amount of gold (which they supposedly have locked up in their vaults, but don’t). The Goldboys G&S Corp. counts on only a few buyers ever wanting their gold at any one time, so they can buy it then and supply the demand.

    The problems come when people start thinking that the Goldboys G&S Corp. are getting too greedy or too untrustworthy and a lot of them demand their gold. Should there be a shortage of gold e.g. the current demand by China and India which is absorbing practically the entire annual world production, the ‘lease’ rate jumps. Then others e.g. Germany, start thinking that perhaps the gold they have deposited with that federal reserve or central bank would be better placed in their own vaults. At that point the federal reserve is supposed to deliver it, but if they have leased it out, then they cannot, unless they buy more (forcing up the price, causing more people to try to redeem their gold certificates, causing the issuing banks massive problems) or the federal reserve terminates the lease arrangements with the Goldboys G&S Corp. and their big bank cronies, causing them to spiral rapidly earthwards trailing smoke.

    It just seems strange that Germany wants its gold out of the Federal Reserve and has been told it can’t have it for seven years. It may mean nothing will happen, but if Obama makes a speech about how sound is the Federal Reserve, start knocking those bridges down.

  138. Steve C says:

    @Graeme No.3 – Believe me, it’s worse for those of us who actually *live* in the UK, who have to put up with it full-time. To put it bluntly, this is no longer my country – if ever it was to any degree; at least They used to keep it feeling that way, whereas now They’ve just spent the last few decades stripping the assets, installing total surveillance and giving anything in a uniform powers of entry into your home, against the day the population wake up.

    To quote from Gail’s Third Way quote above, “to construct a bogus coalition between the haves and the have nots …” Yes, we’ve had an awful lot of that lately, in “these times of austerity”. “We’re all in it together”, we are constantly told – and, as ever, the poor are much more “in it” than the rich.

    “Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose.”

    Re those people and countries demanding their gold, that’s another turd still approaching the fan, of course – see here or here for example. Thankfully, there is now a turd detector operational. Don’t accept “your gold” without it.

  139. omanuel says:

    Yes, the wealth of nations is disappearing fast and the end is fast approaching.

    Then what?

    Sent from my iPhone

  140. Gail Combs says:

    omanuel says:
    Yes, the wealth of nations is disappearing fast and the end is fast approaching.

    Then what?
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    A return to the dark ages as civilization collapses and millions die.

    Without energy an advanced civilization can not exist.

    Without energy American farms go from feeding 75 people (1970) to one farmer feeding himself and his family (1700s) or if we are VERY luck a second family. Even with the technology of 1940 a farmer could only feed 10 others.

    It was not until 1880 that farm labor dropped to 49% of labor force. And that was due to technological advances like the 2-bottom gang plow, disk and peg-tooth harrow, 2-row planter, binder, thresher, wagons, all drawn by horses, oxen and mules. The limiting factor was the strength of the animals and the farm labor force did not drop to below 20% (1940) until after the tractor was in common use. Think about it. 20% of the labor force farming means 1 farmer can only feed 5 families including his own if he is using animals for power.

    By 1940 farms had 3-bottom gang plows, 10-foot tandem disk, 4-section harrow, 2-row planters, cultivators, pickers, and 12-foot combines. From 1945 to 1970 farmers changed from horses to tractors. We then added herbicides, insecticides, commercial fertilizer and hybrid seed. ALL these innovations take energy. data from: http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blfarm1.htm

    In the USA coal mining began in Pennsylvania in the mid-1700’s. The initial reason was to support the Colonial Iron Industry Without coal or a similar source of high density energy we lose all our metals because smelting is a very energy intensive operation. Without metal everything else collapses and the people die.

    Too bad the idiots who believe in Pixie Dust (Fiat money) Unicorn Farts (Green Energy) and a government run Utopia (Hell) never bothered to study the history of inventions, the industrial revolution and Dr. R.J. Rummel’s Democide.

  141. Gail Combs says:

    Steve C says:
    17 August 2013 at 9:15 am

    @Graeme No.3 – Believe me, it’s worse for those of us who actually *live* in the UK,….
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Too bad we can not swap all the idiots in the USA who believe in Pixie Dust, Unicorn Farts and a government run Utopia for those who believe in freedom and hard work in the EU and Australia. Let them have their green welfare state. However the politicians know that without us to create wealth they will run out of the money to bribe the others.

  142. omanuel says:

    The animals are breaking out of their cages in Egypt!

    Yes, the end is near.

    Oliver K. Manuel

    Sent from my iPhone

  143. Gail Combs says:

    Seem Global COOLING is making itself felt in that Socialist Bastion, Ontario.
    From WUWT

    Eve says:
    August 17, 2013 at 9:17 am

    Sweet corn can’t ripen this year in Ontario, too cold.
    The Ontario Federation of Agriculture admits sweet corn is not ripening on time.

    Farmers blame cooler temperatures, the opposite of what the province saw last summer and even in July, for slowing the growth of corn.

    Farms such as the Foster Family Farm in North Gower, Ont., just south of Ottawa, are in a waiting pattern because the vegetable is not ready to be picked yet.

    The owner, Mel Foster, said his farm has run for 40 years and now sells to big grocery store chains like Sobey’s or Metro, but this year he’s lost about $30,000.

    The heat of early July was perfect but suddenly the cold of August has not allowed milk to foster inside the corn.

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/story/2013/08/08/ottawa-ontario-sweet-corn-shortage-farmers-customers-sour.html

    I keep praying Gaia will give the Kum Ba Ya crowd a good swift dose of reality.

  144. Gail,

    I am not convinced that disaster will mark the end of this sixty-eight period of rule by deceit.

    One of my early graduate students from the 1960s later became spiritual, went to India and studied under a Guru.

    She is convinced that the end of the present rulers will mark the beginning of a merger of science and spirituality and a great new awakening for all mankind.

    I know that I don’t know what’s coming next, but I am convinced that 68 years of deception is coming to an end.

  145. Gail Combs says:

    Oliver, I hope you are correct. I do see an increase in awareness in the people I talk to and of course I try to open eyes when I can.

    If you tell ten people and they tell ten people….

  146. omanuel says:

    @Gail,

    You are right. You would be surprised how many members if the public now know that fear of nuclear annihilation is behind the 1945 decision to take totalitarian control of the world.

    I am in Dallas today, and I have met several people who already understood that.

    Hang in there and keep the faith. The scoundrels trying to rule the world are frightened cowards, . . . not really much different from the rest of us.

    All is well in Dallas,
    Oliver K. Manuel

  147. Gail Combs said:
    “I agree with Steiner. I think the Soviet Union and The European Union were both set up as “seventy year social experiment[s]” by the banker elite/ Fabians/Puppet Masters or what every the name.”
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Steiner was an amazing person. Shakespeare said “The evil that men do, lives on; the good, often interred with their bones.” Happily that is not true for Steiner. The Steiner and Emerson Waldorf schools have been an inspiration for me and my family members.

    Yet as a physicist I have problems with some of Steiner’s scientific teachings. For example his claim that the Moon is moving closer to the Earth each year turned out to be false. The Moon is retreating by about six centimeters per year according to laser interferometer measurements.

    Let’s not forget that his most passionate teaching related to reincarnation which is taken seriously by very few in the western world. I reject his Anthroposophy unequivocally even though my favorite relative devoutly believes every word the great man uttered. Out of respect for her I have read every word of his many public lectures and his monographs on this subject.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthroposophy

    When it comes to politics Steiner saw the ruling elites as even smarter than he was so he imagined huge experiments like the Soviet Union’s Communist system. If any of that were true none of us would be riding around in SUVs; we would be living in huts as slaves. There is a simpler explanation for what may (at first blush) look like a “Grand Conspiracy”. The “Iron Law of Oligarchy”.

    The most successful country during the 20th century was the USA. This resulted from institutions that applied a pluralist approach to government. This crazy idea was still dominant in the 1860s as evidenced by Abraham Lincoln’s “Gettysburg Address” with its “….government of the people, by the people and for the people”. Over time pluralism in the USA bore fruit, creating our current prosperity.

    Instead of doing “More of What Worked so Well” we switched to a “Top Down” approach, leading to a situation where “We the People” serve the government rather than the reverse,.

    We have bent to the Iron Law of Oligarchy.

    Public K-12 education provides a perfect example of how badly oligarchies and monopolies perform. The more we centralize the control of public education, the more we dis-empower principals, teachers, parents and students. The result is hopeless mediocrity.

    Everyone understands why monopolies should be broken up when power is in the hands of the Standard Oil Trust (1911) or AT&T (1984). Why can’t we understand that government controlled monopolies are more dangerous\ ?

  148. omanuel says:

    Gallopingcamel,

    I came stumbled across reincarnation unexpectedly in writing the paper, “Is the universe expanding?”

    If the universe is infinite and cycled, driven to expand by neutron repulsion and to contract by gravitational attraction, then . . .

    in the next cosmic cycle (in about 20 Gyr) Gallopingcamel, Gail and Oliver may be having this same conversation again.

  149. Oliver,
    What an amazing thought! I like it.

    On second thoughts it would be even better if such a discussion would not be relevant 20 years from now owing to better government.

  150. p.g.sharrow says:

    The New World Oder was started in the American Colonies, Freemen can rule themselves. We don’t need ruling Elites! This was ended in the 1860s when the American Bar won control of the Government and began erasing parts of the Constitution during the Dictatorship of A.Lincoln. From that time on they have pushed the concept that the Constitution is “Malleable” and can be reinterpreted to fit the needs of the time.Since when is the party to be controlled by a contract allowed to control the interpretation of it’s terms. Justice Roberts said that “We have a constitutionally limited government but, I have No Idea of what the limits are!” Now they claim that the Administration is sovereign over all other parts and the “People” are subjects. This can not stand.
    Gail and Galloping Camel are correct. The great wealth and power of the U.S. was created without Elite control and has been eroding as it has been bent to the use of the “Educated Elite”. With the advent of the Internet we no longer have the situation of the elite in control of knowledge and communication. We don’t need them. The pendulum of public opinion is beginning to swing “right”, we must use this vehicle to help push it just as the “progressives” used their control of Education and “the media” to push it “left”. WE are winning and they know it. They are frantic to push for total control now. The concept of central control is loosing it’s allure as it is demonstrated to always fail. The people, in time, always win. The Elites of every age have failed and their “grand civilizations” died. We just need a way to limit, for all time, their rebirth. We don’t need them! pg

  151. Gail Combs says:

    gallopingcamel says:

    ….When it comes to politics Steiner saw the ruling elites as even smarter than he was so he imagined huge experiments like the Soviet Union’s Communist system. If any of that were true none of us would be riding around in SUVs; we would be living in huts as slaves. There is a simpler explanation for what may (at first blush) look like a “Grand Conspiracy”. The “Iron Law of Oligarchy”…..
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    I think it is a cross.

    First a bit of background:

    I lived with a brilliant sociopath, my brother. He is now a multi-millionaire. To him people were to be used. If you ‘belonged’ to him he would protect you but he had no ‘love’ for you. Once your usefulness was gone he would easily discard you. He had several children and told his wife as long as she had sons she could continue having kids. He had no use for women beyond breeding sons. Did he kill? I am pretty sure he did but I can not prove it and he had the local government under his thumb including the IRS.

    So this type of person exists. He can be very successful, give the appearance of respectability, and have Dynastic tendencies.

    I also have first hand knowledge of “them” having lived near the Rockefeller estate in Westchester county New York. As a child I has dealing with some of these people and their manipulative nature first hand. Because of my brother I spotted it where most people would not. To say they are ‘Not like us” is an understatement.
    ……..
    THE ATTACK on FARMERS
    My wakeup moment was reading Nicole Johnson’s history of the deliberate wiping out of the US farmer. It was planned by one of Milner’s Round Tables, The Committee on Economic Development and carried out after WWII.
    (www.opednews.com/articles/History-HACCP-and-the-Foo-by-Nicole-Johnson-090906-229.html )

    Actually the attack on farmers goes much farther back and is really not all that surprising because land is the origin of wealth. Without property you are at the mercy of others.

    SECRETS OF THE FEDERAL RESERVE By Eustace Mullins

    ….The next consideration was to conceal the fact that the proposed “Federal Reserve System” would be dominated by the masters of the New York money market. The Congressmen from the South and the West could not survive if they voted for a Wall Street plan. Farmers and small businessmen in those areas had suffered most from the money panics. There had been great popular resentment against the Eastern bankers, which during the nineteenth century became a political movement known as “populism”. The private papers of Nicholas Biddle, not released until more than a century after his death, show that quite early on the Eastern bankers were fully aware of the widespread public opposition to them…..

    ….One of the main lies about the Federal Reserve Act when it was being ballyhooed in 1913 was its promise to take care of the farmer. Actually, it has never taken care of anybody but a few big bankers. Prof. O.M.W. Sprague, Harvard economist, writing in the Quarterly Journal of Economics of February, 1914, said:

    “The primary purpose of the Federal Reserve Act is to make sure that there will always be an

    available supply of money and credit in this country to meet unusual banking requirements.”

    There is nothing in that wording to help the farmer….

    …..In 1914, Federal Reserve Bank rates had dropped from six percent to four percent, had gone to a further low of three percent in 1916, and had stayed at that level until 1920. The reason for the low interest rate was the necessity for floating the billion dollar Liberty Loans. At the beginning of each Liberty Loan Drive, the Federal Reserve Board put a hundred million dollars into the New York money market through its open market operations, in order to provide a cash impetus for the drive. The most important role of the Liberty Bonds was to soak up the increase in circulation of the medium of exchange (integer of account) brought about by the large amount of currency and credit put out during the war. Laborers were paid high wages, and farmers received the highest prices for their produce they had ever known. These two groups accumulated millions of dollars in cash which they did not put into Liberty Bonds. That money was effectively out of the hands of the Wall Street group which controlled the money and credit of the United States. They wanted it back, and that is why we had the Agricultural Depression of 1920-21.

    Much of the money was deposited in small country banks in the Middle West and West which had refused to have any part of the Federal Reserve System, the farmers and ranchers of those regions seeing no good reason why they should give a group of international financiers control of their money. The main job of the Federal Reserve System was to break these small country banks and get back the money which had been paid out to the farmers during the war, in effect, ruin them, and this it proceeded to do.

    First of all, a Federal Farm Loan Board was set up which encouraged the farmers to invest their accrued money in land on long term loans, which the farmers were eager to do. Then inflation was allowed to take its course in this country and in Europe in 1919 and 1920. The purpose of the inflation in Europe was to cancel out a large portion of the war debts owed by the Allies to the American people, and its purpose in this country was to draw in the excess moneys which had been distributed to the working people in the form of higher wages and bonuses for production. As prices went higher and higher, the money which the workers had accumulated became worth less and less, inflicting upon them an unfair drain, while the propertied classes were enriched by the inflation because of the enormous increase in the value of land and manufactured goods. The workers were thus effectively impoverished, but the farmers, who were as a class more thrifty, and who were more self-sufficient, had to be handled more harshly…..
    (www.whale.to/b/mullins1.html )

  152. Gail Combs says:

    CONTINUED:
    Lenin knew how important land/farming was to freedom and the USSR preceded to exterminate the Kulaks.

    ‘ The Socialist Revolution in the US cannot take place because there are too many small independent farmers there. Those people are the stability factor. We here in Russia must hurry while our government is stupid enough to not encourage and support the independent farmership.’ V. Lenin, the founder of the Russian revolution

    Quote provided by Anna Fisher

    A quick history of the consolidation of powers over farming: (I have 13 pages of references)
    1932 to 1937 “The Collective Farm Policy was a terrible struggle, Ten million died. It was fearful. Four years it lasted. It was absolutely necessary.” Joseph Stalin
    1934, “[Our] future is becoming visible in Russia.” Assistant Secretary of Agriculture Rexford Tugwell

    1948: failed attempt to create an International Trade Organization

    1948 to 1994: the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT)

    1961 PVP is the Plant Variety Protection: The International Union for the Protection of New Varieties of Plants:

    1980 the Supreme Court decision in Diamond v. Chakrabarthy, 447 U.S. 303 enabled living organisms to be patented

    1991 PVP monopoly has applied to seed multiplication and also to the harvest and sometimes the final product as well. Previously unlimited right of farmers to save seed for the following year’s planting has been changed into an optional exception. Only if national government allows, can farm-saved seed still be used, and a royalty has to be paid to the seed company even for seeds grown on-farm.

    1993 FAO prepares “the Global Strategy for the Management of Farm Animal Genetic Resources”

    In 1995 Dan Amstutz VP of Cargill writes the WTO Agreement on Agriculture. United Nations groups OIE, FAO and the World Trade Organization get together

    September 1995,Catherine Bertini, Executive Director of the United Nations World Food Program, and former U.S. Assistant Secretary of Agriculture, stated “Food is power. We use it to change behavior. Some may call that bribery. We do not apologize.” UN’s 4th World Conference on Women: Beijing, China. (ngin.tripod.com/280702c.htm )

    September, 1995, USDA’s Food Safety & Inspection Service presented a 600-page document Farm-To-Table – control of every step in the food chain from production to home preparation.

  153. Gail Combs says:

    CONTINUED:

    July 2000, USDA officials claimed in court hearing that, “The farmers have no rights. No right to be heard before the court, no right to independent testing, and no right to question the USDA.”Linda Faillace: Mad sheep

    January 30, 2004, Bush signed Homeland Security Presidential Directive-9, “to defend the agriculture and food system against terrorist attacks, major disasters, and other emergencies.” USDA’s Jeremy Stump, says, “It’s from farm to fork.” The order covers animals and crops – the entire food supply chain – and includes shared operations with the CIA. (www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/02/04/terror/main597948.shtml )

    January 2005: Guide to good farming practices: This draft guide to good farming practices for animal production food safety was taken from the Report of the Meeting of the OIE Terrestrial Animal Health Standards Commission (Paris, 17-28 January 2005)

    2005 Bill: Safe and Secure Food Act ( Guide to Good Farming Practices) http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s109-1534

    June 2006 Global Diversity Treaty: Standard Material Transfer Agreement (SMTA) a standardized contract that will enable much easier access to crop diversity. [ germplasm for patenting]

    Feb 2007 Clones declared save: FDA decides based on “risk assessment” that meat and milk from adult clones and their offspring are as safe to consume as those from standard animals.

    2008 FAO is supporting harmonization of seed rules and regulations in Africa and Central Asia in order to stimulate the development of a vibrant seed industry

    INTERNATIONAL ANIMAL PATENT SERVICES (CONNECTED TO FAO, OIE, and ISO
    As the animal recording and evaluation industry evolves, so will ICAR membership. The recently revised by-laws provide the opportunity for expanded membership and a broader level of participation… Various industry sectors (by species as well as activity) will participate in ICAR as members in order to participate and access the global network, expertise and exposure that ICAR provides. ICAR will continue to build on its strength of neutrality and integrity as related to standards and guidelines for animal recording, evaluations and equipment approvals. This will include further strategic alliances with international organizations including EAAP, FAO, IDF, OIE, ILRI, WAAP and ISO.

  154. Gail Combs says:

    Camel, There is nothing haphazard about the transfer of the control of the food supply from the individual to the Corporate Controlled Government and that control is spread world wide. I and Nicole Johnson have shown it was deliberate. The Food Safety Modernization Act of 2010 was the last brick in our prison but most haven’t figured it out yet.

    As Julian Rose said:

    ….“Don’t Follow Us”, in which I explicitly warned of the fate in store for the Polish countryside if Poland joined the EU. I gave some vivid examples of what had happened in the UK over the past two decades: the ripping up of 35 000 miles of hedge rows; the loss of 30 percent of native farmland bird species; 98 percent of species-rich hay meadows, thousands of tonnes of wind and water eroded top-soil, and around fifteen thousand farmers driven off the land every year, accompanied by a rapid decline in the quality of food.

    That ’game’ was all too familiar to me. Spend hours out of your working day filling in endless forms, filing maps and measuring every last inch of your fields, tracks and farmsteads; applying for ‘passports’ for your cattle and ear tags for your sheep and pigs; re-siting the slurry pit and putting stainless steel and washable tiles on the dairy walls; becoming versed in HASAP hygiene and sanitary rules and applying them where any food processing was to take place; and living under the threat of convictions and fines should one put a finger out of place or be late in supplying some official details
    Throughout this time, I clearly remember the sense of losing something intangible beyond recall; losing something more valuable than that which was gained on the eventual arrival of the subsidy cheque.

    What we were losing was our independence and our freedom; the slow rural way of life shared by traditional farming communities throughout the world. You cannot put a price on this immeasurably important quality. It is a deep, lasting and genuinely civilised expression of life.

    So now the Poles, with their two million family farms (half a million of them bigger than the small family farms mentioned earlier), were going to be subjected to the same fate, and Jadwiga and I felt desperate to try and avert this tragedy….

    Farmers, however, stand in the way of land acquisitions; so they are best removed. Corporations thus join with the EU in seeing through their common goals and set about intensively lobbying national government to get the right regulatory conditions to make their kill.

    Farmers, once having fallen for the CAP subsidy carrot, suddenly find themselves heavily controlled by EU and national officialdom brandishing that most vicious of anti-entrepreneurial weapons: ‘sanitary and hygiene regulations’ – as enforced by national governments at the behest of the Common Agricultural Policy of the European Union. These are the hidden weapons of mass destruction of farmers and the main tool for achieving the CAP’s aim of ridding the countryside of small- and medium-sized family farms and replacing them with monocultural money-making agribusiness…..
    (www.i-sis.org.uk/savePolishCountryside.php )

    Farmers in the USA didn’t even get offered a carrot.

    Remember in the USA we have anti-monopoly laws ( Sherman antitrust law of 1890) and a law protecting farmers against unfair and deceptive practices. (Packers and Stockyards Act 0f 1921)

    However these laws have done NOTHING to prevent consolidation and integration of food production in the USA and world wide.

    Another point often missed is WHO controls corporations. Thanks to mutual funds the peasants put up the money take the risks but those operating the mutual funds get a guaranteed skim off the top AND VOTE THE STOCK.

    The Network of Global Corporate Control was written by physicists if I remember correctly.

    Abstract

    The structure of the control network of transnational corporations affects global market competition and financial stability. So far, only small national samples were studied and there was no appropriate methodology to assess control globally. We present the first investigation of the architecture of the international ownership network, along with the computation of the control held by each global player. We find that transnational corporations form a giant bow-tie structure and that a large portion of control flows to a small tightly-knit core of financial institutions. This core can be seen as an economic “super-entity” that raises new important issues both for researchers and policy makers.

    Discussion

    The fact that control is highly concentrated in the hands of few top holders does not determine if and how they are interconnected. It is only by combining topology with control ranking that we obtain a full characterization of the structure of control. A first question we are now able to answer is where the top actors are located in the bow-tie. As the reader may by now suspect, powerful actors tend to belong to the core. In fact, the location of a TNC in the network does matter. For instance, a randomly chosen TNC in the core has about chance of also being among the top holders, compared to, e.g., for the in-section (Table S4 in Appendix S1). A second question concerns what share of total control each component of the bow-tie holds. We find that, despite its small size, the core holds collectively a large fraction of the total network control. In detail, nearly of the control over the economic value of TNCs in the world is held, via a complicated web of ownership relations, by a group of TNCs in the core, which has almost full control over itself. The top holders within the core can thus be thought of as an economic “super-entity” in the global network of corporations. A relevant additional fact at this point is that of the core are financial intermediaries. Figure 2 D shows a small subset of well-known financial players and their links, providing an idea of the level of entanglement of the entire core…..
    http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0025995#s3

  155. Gail Combs says:

    Back to the Elite. We have ALWAYS had those who want power and want worldwide power but you can start with the House of Rothschild because they put a different spin on it. Genghis Khan, Julius Ceaser, Alexander the great all stepped out in front and made themselves and their henchmen the Aristocracy targets. The Rothschilds following the example of the shaman and churches decided to be the power behind the throne but they are much much more subtle than that. Heck we really have zero idea of who the Powers That Be are and that is just as they wish.

    Again looking at the Rothschilds and the Rockefellers and the Morgans you can see the Dynastic aspect. (SEE: http://www.articlesbase.com/finance-articles/jp-morgan-chase-buyout-of-bear-stearns-a-trillionaires-delight-400359.html ) However Daniel Estulin at EU Parliament Press Conference pointed out another change they have made from the old Aristocracy model.

    … At the centre of the global financial system are the financial oligarchy today represented by the Bilderberg group.

    Bilderberg organization is dynamic, in that it changes with the times, absorbs and crates new parts while excreting the remains of the decaying parts. Members come and go, but the system itself has not changed. It is a self-perpetuating system, a virtual spider web of interlocked financial, political, economic and industry interests.

    Now, Bilderberg isn´t a secret society. It is not an evil, all-seeing eye. There is no conspiracy even though a lot of people with their infantile fantasies see it as such. No group of people, and I don’t care how powerful they are, sit around the table in dark room, holding hands, staring at a crystal ball, planning the world´s future.

    It´s a meeting of people who represent a certain ideology.

    Not One World Government or New World Order as too many people mistakenly believe. Rather, the ideology is of a ONE WORLD COMPANY LIMITED….
    (publicintelligence.net/daniel-estulin-bilderberg-speech-at-eu-parliament-press-conference/ )

    And this I firmly believe is what makes them so very very dangerous. They have also set up the London School of Economics and other schools to TRAIN the next generation of leaders. One of the glossed over points in the news when reporting on the “Youth” Summer Camp massacre, is Utøya camp in Norway is a POLITICAL camp. One commenter said “First off, they are not children, they are aged 13-35 years old.” Another commenter mentioned they come from all over the world….

    About those LSE sister schools in the USA:
    Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey shows that just 23% of American Adults believe schools like Harvard and Yale accept only the most qualified students. Forty percent (40%) say those Ivy League schools give special preferences to the children of prior students and donors. http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/education/23_think_elite_colleges_and_universities_accept_only_the_most_qualified
    But only “3% Say Ivy League Schools Produce Better Workers”
    It is also interesting that Rasmussen finds 64% Say Most Members of Congress Don’t Care What They Think

    Finally we have the words of those in positions of power.
    “Food is a weapon,” said Maxim Litvinov, Soviet Commissar of Foreign Affairs

    Former US president Bill Clinton admits that the US `free trade’ policy has forced millions of people in third world countries into poverty and starvation.

    “Today’s global food crisis shows we all blew it, including me when I was president, by treating food crops as commodities instead of as a vital right of the world’s poor, Bill Clinton has told a UN gathering.

    Clinton took aim at decades of international policymaking by the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund and others, encouraged by the US, that pressured Africans in particular into dropping government subsidies for fertilizer, improved seed and other farm inputs, in economic “structural adjustments” required to win northern aid. Africa’s food self-sufficiency subsequently declined and food imports rose.

    “Food is not a commodity like others,” Clinton said. “We should go back to a policy of maximum food self-sufficiency. It is crazy for us to think we can develop countries around the world without increasing their ability to feed themselves.” (Link dead)

    David Rockefeller attended LSE and the first Bilderberg meeting in 1954 and was one of the Bilderberg group founders. He admits his world domination aspirations

    “Some even believe we (the Rockefeller family) are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as ‘internationalists’ and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure—one world, if you will. If that’s the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it.” ~ David Rockefeller, Memoirs, page 405

    But what I find most chilling, especially since the Food Safety Modernization Act places control of the USA food supply under the WTO, is the words of Pascal Lamy:

    The reality is that, so far, we have largely failed to articulate a clear and compelling vision of why a new global order matters — and where the world should be headed. Half a century ago, those who designed the post-war system — the United Nations, the Bretton Woods system, the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT) — were deeply influenced by the shared lessons of history.

    All had lived through the chaos of the 1930s — when turning inwards led to economic depression, nationalism and war. All, including the defeated powers, agreed that the road to peace lay with building a new international order — and an approach to international relations that questioned the Westphalian, sacrosanct principle of sovereignty
    (www.theglobalist.com/pascal-lamy-whither-globalization/ )

    I do not think you can get much blunter than that.

  156. omanuel says:

    Gail,

    I am confused:
    1. You said you grew up in a good home with loving parents.
    2. You said your brother is a sociopath.

    Are those both true? They seem contradictory.

    Oliver

  157. Gail Combs says:

    And on the lighter side:
    OBAMA RODEO CLOWN and Cow Sidekick Make it to LA – Put on Show (Video)
    The rally wasn’t complete until the Obama rodeo clown crashed the stage.

    That’s Jim Hoft and Andrew Marcus in the cow-stume.

    Moo!
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/08/oh-no-obama-rodeo-clown-cow-sidekick-crashes-conservative-rally-video/

    The cartoon in the comments is a real winner too.

    As a ‘Minority’ I sure hope everyone else can see what an udder donkey the Admin is making of themselves. (Puns intended)

    Maybe Camel was right. After calling a Hispanic who is part black a ‘White’ racist and now this, they real do look like brainless buffoons.

  158. Gail Combs says:

    omanuel says:
    18 August 2013 at 7:10 pm

    Are those both true? They seem contradictory.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
    Yes.

    My parents never ‘SAW’ my real brother because they were useful to him (Money) Luckily I was almost a decade younger and he was married and out of the house much of the time I was growing up thank goodness. I only had to put up with his visits where he kissed up to Dad and after my Mom got cancer and could no longer worked, made her life miserable because she was spending too much of my brother’s “inheritance.” (He actually said that.) He was not ‘My baby’ who almost died as a newborn so I saw what he was doing unlike Mom. He was always very very careful never to show Dad his true colors. Dad never would believe what Mom and I reported to him.

    And yes I was a ‘battered’ child and was even investigated by the school system but the batterer was my brother. I never realized that I was battered until I was in my thirties and talking to a friend who was also battered. It is common that only one person in a family is picked on and it is not that uncommon for the problem to come from a sibling. It is also common for the child to have no clue they have been abused. (In my case attempts to arrange ‘accidents’ that would kill as well as physical and mental abuse.)

  159. adolfogiurfa says:

    @P.G. The New World Oder was started in the American Colonies Right in the middle of the head! . Obviously! it began then.

  160. omanuel says:

    Wow!

    Thanks for sharing and congratulations for having the courage to do so.

    You are an extremely talented person and I am absolutely certain that your life more than compensates for the damages caused by your brother.

    Again, Gail, thanks for sharing.

    Oliver K. Manuel

  161. Gail Combs says:

    Oliver,
    I was lucky because I got to enjoy the wonders of a good education loving parents BUT I also got to see EVIL, something my parents were completely unable to do.

    Pointman has a classic essay that shows the dangers of sheltering children that I highly recommend reading. It should be required reading for all high school students IMHO.
    The big green killing machine: They sit with God in paradise.

  162. omanuel says:

    Thanks for the link, Gail.

    If hungry humans behave that way, world leaders face difficult decisions.

  163. Gail Combs says:

    Oliver, why do you think the USA is militarizing local law enforcement and the Department of Homeland Security is stocking up on 1.6 Billion Rounds Of Ammo including Another 360,000 More Rounds of Hollow Point Ammunition

    Hollow point ammo IS BANNED internationally.

    Maj. Gen. Curry stated:

    “Hollow point bullets are so lethal that the Geneva Convention does not allow their use on the battle field in time of war. Hollow point bullets don’t just stop or hurt people, they penetrate the body, spread out, fragment and cause maximum damage to the body’s organs. Death often follows.”

    In addition, Curry noted that during the Iraq War the U.S. military used 70 million rounds of ammunition per year. Compare that with the 750 million rounds of hollow point bullets that the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) ordered in March. And then it further ordered another 750 million rounds of various types of ammunition, some of which can penetrate walls. Curry declared,

    “This is enough ammunition to empty five rounds into the body of every living American citizen. Is this something we and the Congress should be concerned about? What’s the plan that requires so many dead Americans, even during times of civil unrest? Has Congress and the Administration vetted the plan in public.

    “I fear that Congress won’t take these ammunition purchases seriously until they are all led from Capitol Hill in handcuffs. Why buy all this ammunition unless you plan to use it. Unknown to Congress, Does DHS plan to declare war on some country? Shouldn’t Congress hold hearings on why the Administration is stockpiling this ammunition all across the nation? How will it be used; what are the Administration’s plans?”
    http://www.examiner.com/article/feds-explanation-of-hollow-point-bullets-raises-more-questions

    I think you can see why I am a bit nervous as just what the Elite are actually up to

  164. adolfogiurfa says:

    @E.M.: Dear Anonymous, where are you. Has your experiment succeeded? :experiments-in-mobility-and-anonymity

  165. tom0mason says:

    Given the rampant dishonesty in governments would they, could they, tell us (the ordinary Jane and Joe of this world) the truth without causing major panic, and a collapse of economic and governing systems?
    Maybe this climate scam is perpetrated on us to cover two requirements –
    1. Keep us subjugated and on message.
    2. Keep the required fuels and resources under lock and key –
    – for when the big freeze happens.

    I’m not paranoid just ask THEM!

  166. omanuel says:

    @ Gail Combs:

    I personally refuse to live in fear.

    IMHO world leaders are frightened cowards who derive all their power from our fears.

    I will give them none. Absolutely none.

    Why? I know they are totally powerless unless they can scare the public.

    They are probably insane enough to buy hollow point bullets to scare people.

    But without the public, they too will die.

    All is well in Little Rock, enroute home from Dallas!

    OM

  167. Gail Combs says:

    Oliver, I am old with no children so have little to lose. I am also in a decent location. It is the rest of the people they are intentionally killing that makes me quite angry. In the UK in March 2013 alone 5000 people died of cold because of energy poverty. As FOIA pointed out in his climategate emails, a child is dying every 5 seconds from lack of food. Instead of using their power to correct this situation, the elite buy an excess of Ammo and Obama stirs up racial hatred.

    You only have to read Democide, Death by Government by Dr. Rummel and look at the number who have died in recent riots and protests or look at Detroit to see the situation is balance on the knife edge of critical and these G…D… idiots are tying to push us in to Hell on earth for no good reason except greed.

  168. Oliver Manuel says:

    Gail,

    I share your concern for mankind.

    I am probably much older, born in 1936. I was an arrogant, angry atheist most of my life – perhaps like your brother.

    Belatedly I know the Creator and Sustainer of Life is at the core of the Sun. It birthed and still controls every atom, life and world in the Solar System.

    By destroying the integrity of science, leaders destroyed the source of reliable information they need to survive.

    Today I seriously believe Thomas Jefferson’s statement that we were endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights.

    Sent from my iPhone

  169. CompuGator says:

    “They, the Sheeple” probably will never get any news that’s as honest as this fictitious report that I’m deeply concerned might describe a week-end in the near future:

    In a carefully coordinated series of federal raids from Maine south to Florida, racing ahead of dawn from California to Alaska, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security rounded up uncounted thousands of domestic terrorists. The nationwide raids over the weekend netted not only individual terrorists, but also members of organized terrorist groups.

    In her first press conference following these raids, DHS Sec. Janet Traditorano credited access to Internet communications via federal law-enforcement partners, notably Bing, Blogger, Disqus, Facebook, Google, WordPress, and Yahoo, for providing information that was crucial to capping the collateral damage at a level she judged “acceptable” (she declined to offer any numbers). She also expressed thanks to the U.S. military, for domestic drone surveillance, and federal civil-rights partners, such as La Raza and the $outhern Poverty Law Center, for stepping up their monitoring of racist extremism. Both were “invaluable”, especially in helping to prioritize DHS targets, she said.

    President Barack Obama, who gave final approval for the raids, has yet to release any statement since issuing an unprecedented executive order Friday afternoon, adjourning all Congressional meetings & sessions sine die, and declaring that the sitting Congress was now in recess until further notice from the White House. House Speaker John Boehner declined to comment: He’d been presiding over a floor debate, when the signed order was delivered by a Secret Service agent who burst unannounced into the Capitol’s House Chamber with an SS escort openly armed with assault weapons.

    Although the President is now at what his press secretary will describe only as “an undisclosed location”, many law-abiding but stranded Americans are eagerly awaiting news about the Transportation Security Administration’s time-table for reopening roadblocks suddenly erected on Interstate and U.S. highways, and major urban surface roads.

    In news whose timing seems to match that of the TSA roadblocks, customers of major U.S. Internet Service Providers report mysteriously long waits for technical support. Although those ISPs report smoothly functioning networks, leaks of these complaints reveal them to be focused on a sudden inability to load conservative political & religious Web sites.

    (c) 2013 by CompuGator.

  170. omanuel says:

    My mantra is this:

    Big Brother’s Butt

    Sent from my iPhone

  171. Gail Combs,
    Even though our beloved Chiefio is probably distracted with real world problems like earning a living this site continues to be stimulating thanks to the “Faithful” such as you. We may differ on many things but you have passion and your heart is in the right place.

    Can we do anything about the usurpations of the federal government? Probably not but that is no reason to give up. The book I am writing is called “The Power of Failure”. It discusses failure at all levels from species to individuals but its primary focus is the unremitting failure of K-12 education in the USA.

    A couple of years ago I was fortunate enough to meet Chiefio for long enough to consume some “Adult Beverages”. I regret that I did not manage to track Oliver down when he was in Florida; maybe he will return. I still have two courses scheduled at NCSU’s McKimmon Center in Raleigh this year. It would be a privilege to meet you if the dates shown at this site are convenient:
    http://www.bdidatalynk.com/PeterMorcombe.html

    Most of the information at the above URL is accurate with the possible exception of my picture that was taken by a professional photographer eleven years ago when I ran for North Carolina’s district 23 senate seat. Eleanor Kinnaird trounced me and remains in office to this day. The photos on her website were taken in 2002:
    http://elliekinnaird.org/

    It would be a blast to meet Verity Jones, Adolfogiurfa, p.g.sharrow and several others. Unfortunately they live in places that are less accessible to me.

  172. Oliver Manuel says:

    @GallopingCamel and Gail Combs

    What a coincidence [God’s way of remaining anonymous] !

    I too am writing a book. My goal is to get it into the hands of as many people as possible while it is being written:

    My tentative schedule next month includes:

    1. A memorial service for my late friend, Bo Lozoff, founder of the Human Kindness Foundation near Raleigh NC

    2. A retreat by the Blue Mountain Center for Meditation in Chicago.

    If by chance I met one or both of you on my venture, I would request advice for getting my book into the hands of as many people as possible before all he’ll breaks loose:

    “My journey to the core of the Sun: How an angry, arrogant atheist discovered the Creator, Destroyer &Sustainer of Life”

    My cell phone & email address are: 573-647-1377 and omatumr2@gmail.com

    Oliver K. Manuel

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  173. Gail Combs says:

    Camel,

    In T12 I had suggested meeting for dinner on Sunday Dixie Bell in Apex a great little place not far from where you will be teaching and not too far from me. (Just off RT 64 south of Raleigh) The food is exceptional although it is just a step up from the usual burger place.

    We are ‘Retired’ and usually have week days free too.

    And Yes, I would love to sit and talk face to face.

  174. adolfogiurfa says:

    “Don´t blame the servants of the misconduct of their masters”

  175. omanuel says:

    Thanks, Gail, for letting us know E.M. Smith is alive.

    Actually, we are

    Sent from my iPhone

  176. omanuel says:

    Thanks, Gail, for letting us know E.M. Smith is alive and safe.

    Actually, we are all more safe than the world leaders who seek to control the rest of us by deceit.

    That game is over, as explained in a recent message to the Congressional Space Science & Technology Committee:

    http://theinternetpost.net/2013/08/12/the-creator-destroyer-sustainer-of-life/

    When I get home I may send a similar open message to Presidents Obama and Putin letting them know that the sixty-eight year (2013 – 1945 = 68 yr) era of leadership by deception is over.

    They cannot lead by arresting or taking guns away from everyone who knows our leaders are lying.

    That game is up. It will be beneficial to all concerned to admit the truth before society erupts violently.

    With kind regards,
    Oliver K. Manuel
    Former NASA Principal
    Investigator for Apollo

  177. R. de Haan says:

    Gail Combs says:
    14 August 2013 at 4:30 pm
    Oliver,
    Paul Ehrlich taints Stanford University.

    Paul Ehrlich and Obama’s Science Czar, Holdern’s book Ecoscience, is enough to convince anyone who is sane these people are either evil or have a screw loose. In either case they should not be holding the high level positions in our society that they do.

    On line quotes from Ecoscience are here:
    http://zombietime.com/john_holdren/

    They are enough to give you nightmares.”

    You’re right. This is all bad news and a clear indication they are set to execute Agenda 21, also see http://green-agend.com

    What worries me most is public opinion. Increasing numbers of people refute the AGW scare but almost every person I speak believes population numbers have become a problem that should be tackled.

    This means there won’t be any serious opposition against planned population reduction.

    People just watch and see how their civil rights are flushed down the drain, how their financial and economic system is destroyed, how their jobs and assets are destroyed, how their government is creating havoc in the Middle East and North Africa.

    All talk about the second US revolution and revolt in Europe. In practice there is ample response.

    Even with a majority of the people negative about obama;s performance there is no resistance.

    I really don’t get it.

  178. omanuel says:

    @ R. de Haan: “We are all more safe than the world leaders who seek to control the rest of us by deceit.”

    They may do something stupid if we don’t help them find a graceful way out of this mess.

    http://orach24463.wordpress.com/2013/08/20/climatism-in-a-nutshell/comment-page-1/

  179. R. de Haan says, 20 August 2013 at 3:26 am:
    “Paul Ehrlich and Obama’s Science Czar, Holdern’s book Ecoscience, is enough to convince anyone who is sane these people are either evil or have a screw loose. In either case they should not be holding the high level positions in our society that they do.”

    You are right but these people are not nearly as dangerous (scary?) as Maurice Strong or Al Gore. I don’t see Ehrlich and Holdern extracting huge sums of money from gullible taxpayers to feather their own nests.

  180. omanuel says:

    So come on. Help find a way out of this mess.

    We all lose if we focus only on winning a debate, which reality has already won !

  181. Gail Combs,
    The ribs in that restaurant in Apex look fantastic. I loved the ribs at “Brian’s” on route 70 north of Raleigh but it closed many years ago.

    NCSU called me today to say they don’t have enough registrations to run the courses starting on September 9 but they do expect the December 9 course to happen. Even if the December courses do not “Make”, I will travel to North Carolina at my own expense as one of my sons works at UNC. My wife will be with me and we will spend at least a week socializing. We hope to meet ex-colleagues from Duke university such as Mark Emamian, Ying Wu, John Staddon, Robert G. Brown and Nicola Scafetta.

    Ines and I plan to visit six of the charter schools we set up in order to include them in my book on “The Power of Failure”.

    There should be plenty of opportunities to meet you in Apex in early December. Maybe I could persuade Robert and Nicola to show up. These impressive young people have never met face to face! It could be interesting. Robert brews his own beer!

    Sadly my favorite Duke physics professor (Edward Bilpuch) died last year. What little I know about nuclear physics I learned from Ed. It was enough to enable me to serve on the Duke university Radiation Safety Committee for many years.

  182. omanuel says:

    @ R. de Haan: “This is all bad news and a clear indication they are set to execute Agenda 21”

    They are scared! They are more likely to execute Agenda 21 if they think they may go to prison for their part in sixty-eight years of well-documented deception !

    They did a lot of good by reducing nationalism, racism, sexism and avoiding nuclear war.

    Give them credit for the good they did, and allow them to gracefully retreat from their absurd claim that the climate of planet Earth is independent of the Sun!

  183. adolfogiurfa says:

    They won´t do any other thing than to run to their D.U.M.S.:
    Announcement: 08.15.13. Expect to see in Earth’s day time & night skies in the near future – the brown dwarf Tekoma as it travels to its new stationary orbit near the planet Venus. It only brings one (1) planet with it, Nihohia. This event is not expected to cause any problems for planet Earth. Consider this sighting to be a harbinger of the many more changes to come to this planet.
    http://www.andromedacouncil.com/index.html

  184. omanuel says:

    The corruption of science and national governments is a world-wide ailment -generated by fear of death from nuclear annihilation in the USA, Russia, China, UK, France, Germany when they united to form the UN on 24 Oct 1945.

    That is why we can’t change things by voting for Democrats or Republicans or any other political party that is unwilling to undo that 1945 decision to create a one-world government.

  185. Gail Combs says:

    Straight from WUWT tips and notes:
    Obama has just authorized FEMA to deploy foreign troops on U.S. soil during a mass emergency event, defined broadly and in the very vaguest of terms, including, but not limited to, declarations of martial law. Emergencies that our government has been simulating, war gaming and arming the alphabet agencies in preperation for now for years. Tyranny isn’t coming, it’s here.

    The Press Releases are important enough to read in full. From EMERCOM of Russia:

    Head of Russian ministry of Emergency Situations satisfied with development of U.S.-Russian relationships in emergency prevention and response

    25 June 23:31

    The fourth meeting of the U.S.-Russia Bilateral Presidential Commission Working Group on Emergency Situations and seventeenth meeting of Joint U.S.-Russia Cooperation Committee on Emergency Situations took place on 25 June 2013 in Washington.

    Addressing the present at the meeting, Russian Ministry of Emergency Situations Mr. Vladimir Puchkov noted that U.S.-Russian cooperation in the area of protection against natural and man-made disasters was of strategic importance and directly supported by the Presidents of Russian and USA. The Minister pointed out that the cooperation was developing very fast and efficiently and there are new areas of cooperation, which allowed not only high-level support, but constant extension. This year particularly one of the priorities in joint activity of the two countries was monitoring and forecasting emergency situations.

    More: http://www.rightsidenews.com/2013070132807/editorial/rsn-pick-of-the-day/its-not-an-invasion-if-we-think-they-belong-here.html

  186. adolfogiurfa says:

    @All: This is it, kids:

  187. I will not live in fear: Big Brother is a cowardly Bag of Wind !

    World leaders and their propaganda artists have good reason to fear the public today: The public now knows about more than six decades of deception of the public.

    http://theinternetpost.net/2013/08/21/new-zealand-passes-controversial-bill-allowing-spying-on-citizens/

    That deceit – documented beyond reasonable doubt – has been ongoing for the past sixty-eight years – since the United Nations was formed on 24 Oct 1945:

    https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10640850/Creator_Destroyer_Sustainer_of_Life.pdf

    A new day is coming,
    – Oliver K. Manuel
    Former NASA Principal
    Investigator for Apollo
    http://omanuel.wordpress.com/

  188. BobN says:

    I never put up a picture for a web site, knowing they are trying to index people by pictures. Actually I think people should post various pictures over time to confuse the data base. That’s just me though.

  189. omanuel says:

    FEAR is an evil and corroding emotion that frequently impels us to flee REALITY and act INSANELY.

    Those who fear ghosts are in danger in graveyards.

    Those who fear nuclear radiation are in danger near a reactor.

    World leaders who feared “Death – The Destroyer of Worlds” foolishly acted to enslave mankind to protect themselves.

    Here is the rest of the story:

    http://theinternetpost.net/2013/08/12/the-creator-destroyer-sustainer-of-life/

    Oliver K. Manuel
    Former NASA Principal
    Investigator for Apollo

  190. omanuel says:

    Let us not fall into the same fear-driven foolish acts today as world leaders did sixty-eight years ago (2013 – 1945 = 68 yrs) !

  191. Zeke says:

    This is a great thread. There is a lot of the excellent writing, research, and thoughts in the post and in the comments.

    SteveC, I did not agree with comparing the US to an Empire, and was attempting to define the meaning of the term “Empire” with real historic actions which characterize them. People who use the term Empire to refer to the US are playing fast and loose with their language indeed.

    In fact we prevented the Germans and the Russians and the Japanese from the formation of unified empires. This gave us a period of economic and political freedom which now is being berated as a period of US domination that must be ended – the end of the US Empire. Rediculous.

    That is why, in my opinion, the UN was formed, to give Russia and China the ability to limit the US legitimately. Now we are disarmed who will stand in their way?

  192. E.M.Smith says:

    @Zeke:

    The UN was originally created as a way for the main powers to keep the minor powers in check. Especially post W.W.II. Look at who was on the Security Council in the beginning… Now it has evolved into a way for the PTB to try to institute a Global Governance on a loosely socialist model with the controlling entities being the old families of Europe ala Holy Roman Empire, Roman Empire, British Empire, Ottoman Empire, Byzantine Empire, …

    There is a very long history of lusting after Empire in Europe. They never let go of that dream just because the USA didn’t want to play along post W.W.II. Now that we’re in decay, that agenda is being rolled out again; but with a global focus now. At least, that’s my speculation…

    Still time for folks to figure it out and shut down the effort; but the window is closing fast.

  193. Zeke says:

    EM Smith says, “The UN was originally created as a way for the main powers to keep the minor powers in check. Especially post W.W.II. Look at who was on the Security Council in the beginning…”

    Yes, thank you for overlooking my little anachronism with Communist China (: It works out well for the Communists, socialists, authoritarian and totalitarian regimes though, to have us answering to them to some degree. The majority of the members are not free, politically or economically. I believe we are being groomed to accept a UN takeover of the internet. Just think, no more insults to Islam….

    Ya Europeans are kind of pathetic, and don’t mind being talked to by the government and press like they are idiots who will poison themselves with cinnamon roles. . :D

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