Hillary did it, but skates says FBI

That’s my take on the presentation by James Comey, FBI Guy:

I’m sure he is an honorable man, but to me this just reeks of threading the needle. He essentially says (my paraphrase of the speech) ~’She did it, but enough evidence was destroyed that it would not succeed in prosecution’. Likely true, given who the prosecutor would be…

So now it is up to The People to decide if they are tired of the crap enough to block the Clinton Machine, or if they are just dandy with the idea of putting a serial liar kleptocrat who is enriching the entire Clinton Clan at the Public Trough by selling the Government of the USA; in the Presidency where just about no bounds are in place.

This discussion started in “tips” here:


but that thread is so large that it is too slow for comfortable “discussion” and commentary.

My only question: Will General Petraeus be pardoned now? Will all the others who got far worse punishment for far less evil and lawlessness be released from their punishment? Will there be actual Justice done? And would anyone in the military with even 1/2 a brain vote for her now? Or anyone in law enforcement?

So without further comment in this article (it is being fully hashed on the “news”…) I’ve opened this article for easy discussion.

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68 Responses to Hillary did it, but skates says FBI

  1. Larry Ledwick says:

    Snowden has commented on it – sort of a “what about me”?


  2. BobN says:

    Why bother obeying the law, what is the purpose, some apply and some don’t.
    This is proof positive there are two sets of rules, one for the ruling elite and one for the rest of us.

  3. Larry Ledwick says:

    Might get some inside scoop here tonight if you can watch it (I am at work so no joy)
    Megyn Kelly ‏@megynkelly 11m11 minutes ago
    FMR FBI official James Kallstrom joins me tonight to detail what current agents are telling him about Director Comey’s decision. #KellyFile

  4. Gail Combs says:

    Sundance @ the ConservativeTreeHouse has an interesting take on the slimy situation but you have to go back a bit to get the context.

    1. 9/11 was the worse foreign assault on US soil. As a result we got saddled with the Patriot Act and Homeland Security. This assault was made by19 terrorists and 15 of the 19 were citizens of Saudi Arabia. ALL were Muslim. The Daily Caller News Foundation investigation alleges that Bill and Hillary Clinton received at least $100 million from the Persian Gulf states and their leaders. Five of these states — Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, Oman and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) — are charged with committed numerous human rights abuses by various Activist groups.

    2. Philip Haney, a founding member of the Passenger Analysis Unit, or PAU, under Customs and Border Protection was charged with “vetting, investigating, finding addresses, making connections, and putting the dots together” on persons entering the United States who might be security threats. He was then transfered to National Targeting Center where he and his fellow investigators found links from the Tablighi Jamaat network to “Hamas, al-Qaeda, global terrorist funding.

    3. Then Political correctness rears its head.
    The initiative was deemed politically incorrect and shut down by the Department of Homeland Security’s Civil Rights and Civil Liberties division.

    “They came into the National Targeting Center, either physically or through emails and correspondence, and said that we could not develop cases based on association with Tablighi Jamaat, and/or any Islamic group,” Haney said his superiors actually erased some of his files pertinent to the San Bernardino jihad attack and later it took him only a few hours to connect Sunday’s Islamic terrorist attack in Orlando to December’s carnage in San Bernardino. Haney says the federal government’s active refusal to acknowledge reality.

    4. U.S. Attorney General Loretta Lynch has gone after “Hate Speech” against muslims. Since 9/11, Lynch says that the Department of Justice has investigated more than 11,000 acts of anti-Muslim rhetoric, which have led to 45 prosecutions.

    This is the background to the actions taken by the FBI who despite other law enforcement officers saying Omar Mateen was a terrorist risk, allowed him not only to purchase firearms but allowed him to remain a security guard for a firm guarding government property… and Nuclear Plants.

  5. p.g.sharrow says:

    Back in the 1970s I lived in a town that was being run by a Democrat Kleptocratic mayor and his friends. No matter what evidence we presented to the AGs office they refused to prosecute. They said as long as that Mayor was elected he was protected by his friends in the Democratic Party and the Union leadership. Get him out of office and then they might be able to act.

    So arrangements were made to use the same election activities that his organization had use to get him and his friends elected. He and 2 of the 3 of his friends lost their positions on the city council. The total vote count was twice the total population of the town! Democrats love absentee voting as a tool to fudge an election. They were not too pleased with the huge vote count of registered Democrats and their man LOST! That former mayor and his PR man went to federal prison for 2 years for mail fraud. Seems that they got the blame for ALL the excess registrations ;-) and votes…pg

  6. E.M.Smith says:

    Trump calls it “ A Bribe! ” as Madam Hillary says she is “open to keeping Loretta Lynch on as A.G.”.

    I see no other alternative interpretation.

    When did my country become a South American Banana Republic?

  7. E.M.Smith says:


    Watching and recording Megan Kelly now. So far no big surprise. Fmr. Asst. Dir. FBI just reporting hearsay from FBI agents and other AGs calling it bogus to let Hillary skate.

  8. p.g.sharrow says:

    Interesting, Comey lays out it all out, yep! Hillary is guilty as hell but I won’t recommend prosecution.

    Guess he decided to ride the fence. At least now Hillary won’t need a presidential pardon. That leaves her exposed to prosecution by the next administration. Once again the Clintons need to win the election or face Federal prosecutors. Can the Democrats steal this election. Depends on how close the vote is…pg

  9. Larry Ledwick says:


    There have been several comments made in the various media over the last few months that both FBI and intelligence folks who are not in management are furious over this the average agent in harms way is not a happy camper.

    It would not surprise me at all, if you see a flood (or steady drip drip drip) of leaks or curious discoveries popping up as the folks in a position to know, start to work the back channels.

    Remember Nixon was taken down by leaker “Deep Throat” who pointed Woodward and Bernstein at the things that they needed to investigate.
    (The informant was eventually identified as William Mark Felt, Sr., deputy director of the FBI during that period of the 1970s)

    When official proper channels are crippled and manipulated, folks find other ways to get the information out into the public domain.

  10. Larry Ledwick says:

    Some how this comic strip seems appropriate.


  11. Gail Combs says:

    Applicable felonies cited in Title 18 of the U.S. Code of the Espionage Act in sections 793, 798 and 1001.

    Section 793 applies to anyone who has been “entrusted” with information relating to the national defense. The law applies to a federal official who “through gross negligence permits” information “to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, to be lost, stolen, abstracted or destroyed.”

    Section 798 applies to any government official who “knowingly and willfully communicates” information “to an unauthorized person.” Section 1001 addresses giving “false statements.”

    According to an interview with former Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, who at one time was Comey’s boss, Section 793 would be easily proved.

    Here is 18 U.S. Code § 793 – Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information (Remember Hitlery wiped her computers to prevent anyone seeing what she was up to.)

    Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—

    Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
    If two or more persons conspire to violate any of the foregoing provisions of this section, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each of the parties to such conspiracy shall be subject to the punishment provided for the offense which is the object of such conspiracy…..


  12. p.g.sharrow says:

    A great to do is made about voter registration fraud but that is not the main act. Control of the count is the object. Registration numbers are important to cover up the count fraud. Otherwise you get those embarrassing 140% turn outs. Every ballot system has a weakness that can be exploited. Democratic operatives have a cheat for every one. Most require RINOs embedded in the count process. Dependable Democratics register as Republicans and get themselves named to be precinct officials as Republicans so they can oversee the vote count. Modern voting machines are even easier as you only need to infiltrate the set up process to pre-install the needed votes. Also there is now electronic machines that are can be hacked and you get 100% of the votes for the Democrat!
    If the Republican real margin over the Democrat is 3% they lose. 6% is needed to exceed the Democratic ability to steal. If they lose no one cares, if they win then they control any official investigation. No vote Fraud Here! Honest! We checked…pg For those curious, I am a Democrat.

  13. Gail Combs says:

    P.G. I am a G.D.I

  14. p.g.sharrow says:

    @Gail Combs says:
    6 July 2016 at 2:21 am “P.G. I am a G.D.I”

    Lol. ;-) Gail, My Honoria is N.D.D.
    ( No Damn Degree)
    I do hold a U.S. patent. Should be every bit as good as any phd…pg

  15. p.g.sharrow says:

    I am sure that the Clinton Fans will vote for her just because. There are a lot of A.B.C. Democrats out there that will just stay home. Trump has to make the sale if he wants to get them to vote for him. Regan did it. In California as well! So it can be done. Tell the Republican Elites where to go. They are nothing more then Liberal Progressive Lite. Any attempt to act like a Liberal progressive Socialist is the kiss of death for a Republican. McCain tried it, Romney tried it, they FAILED! The real Americans stayed home. Half of Democrats are conservative Americans that have been dozed aside by the Socialists. The Liberals bad mouth the “Tea Party” folks, but most of the ‘Tea Party” are Democrats that have been locked outside the Democratic tent. Just like the Elite Republicans that believe that their more conservative people HAVE to vote their way. the Liberal Progressive wing of the Democratic party believes that the more conservative people in their party HAVE to vote their way, Not so!
    The reason there is such a low voter turnout is the Professional Politicians are all Liberal Progressive Elites and only the political party faithful show up to vote. Hillary is pushing, Same old, Same old. Trump can make the sale of what the people want to buy instead of what the Elite want to sell…pg

  16. John F. Hultquist says:

    Larry L links to a cartoon by Scott Adams.
    Yesterday Scott Adams wrote: “Note: I endorsed Hillary Clinton – for my personal safety – because I live in California. It isn’t safe to be viewed as a Trump supporter where I live. My politics don’t align with either candidate, but backing Clinton reduces my odds of dying at the hands of my fellow citizens. (And yes, I am 100% serious. It just happens to be funny by coincidence.)

    So, E. M. – are you going to move?

  17. p.g.sharrow says:

    That FBI guy, James Comey, is Not an honorable man.
    As a Federal Prosecutor, He blackmailed Martha Stewart into a plea bargain for her insisting that she was not guilty of inside trading.
    Accept the plea conviction or I will prosecute your corporation and thereby destroy it. he said.
    That is not the action of an Honorable Man. That is the action of a political hack that wanted to hang a trophy on his wall. He has sold out to the Clintons. The only question I want answered is what was his price?…pg

  18. tom0mason says:

    So she’s —
    1. Negligent about recalling the actuality of past events, displaying an indifferent grasp of details.
    2. Shows some charm but what appears is wafer thin, brittle, and hides her deceptive façade of a bullying braggart.
    3. Has be known to suppressing fresh talent if such talent shines too brightly,
    4. She appears not to understand the meaning of personal or public office responsibility or loyalty.

    So for a modern politician Hillary checks all the boxes.

  19. Gail Combs says:

    BREAKING: Romanian hacker with access to Clinton emails found dead in jail cell —- This is the hoax newspaper similar to The Onion…. So do not be fooled.

  20. John Silver says:

    Gail, it’s not news, it’s a prediction.

  21. Steve Crook says:

    She’s probably considered too big to be allowed to fail…

  22. catweazle666 says:

    Yet again we see that US justice is the best that money can buy.

  23. cdquarles says:

    I will give Comey a small bit of leeway here. Consider what “reasonable prosecutor” means in the current corrupt political world of DC.

    Can we get a bunch of Federal drug law convictions overturned because of this? /sarc Drug laws are for the little people, who must be kept down and on the plantation.

  24. cdquarles says:

    Oh, can Scooter Libby get his perjury conviction overturned, too?

  25. philjourdan says:

    No Cat, this is not about MOney. This is about power. The ruling class and the rest of us.

  26. Gail Combs says:

    It has always been about those with POWER skate. Think Ted Kennedy and Mary Jo.

  27. Larry Ledwick says:

    And now the dirty laundry is getting examined – seems we have a double standard here.

    Was Comey suggesting that no reasonable prosecutor would prosecute HRC because he could not make the case stick (doubtful), it would drag on for several years, do nothing to prevent her election, cost the government millions and probably result in the prosecutor being blackballed for life from big ticket jobs (most likely), or that no reasonable prosecutor would press the case because it would lead to serious jeopardy for him and his family (possible), or no reasonable prosecutor would press the case because otherwise they would have to give that bribe back.


  28. Larry Ledwick says:

    Interesting comment in the changing scene in politics.
    Corruption is not new, but the current disregard for appearances and even an appearance of even handedness is new and I would say a source of significant concern.
    Does that lack of concern mean they know something we should?

    When the class bully suddenly changes his behavior and is more open about abusing the weaker in his class it usually means he has lost fear of consequences. That is what this smells like.


  29. PaulID says:

    In other words Comey says she is guilty as hell but he doesn’t want to die under mysterious circumstances.

  30. Gail Combs says:

    When Comey said that no reasonable prosecutor would prosecute HRC I took it that he was actually saying Hillary has such power and has killed so many — the latest being two weeks ago a UN Official “Accidentally” Crushes Throat and Dies ONE WEEK Before Testifying Against Hillary Clinton — that any reasonable person would run like heck from prosecuting a case against her.

  31. Larry Ledwick says:

    Hmmmm interesting twist I was not aware of , James Comey signed on as deputy special counsel to the Senate Whitewater Committee in 1996. You know where they investigated Hillary and Bill and found substantial evidence of “a highly improper pattern of deliberate misconduct.”
    Then Comey was also in charge of investigating possible presidential pardons for money by Bill Clinton when he inherited the criminal probe into the Rich pardon and 175 others Clinton had made at the very end of his term. That investigation also was a dead end.

    He stated:

    When pressed for details in one case, he said, “I can’t really go into it because it was an investigation that didn’t result in charges. That may be a frustrating answer, but that’s the one I’m compelled to give.”

    I think I see a pattern here!
    As spooks like to say:
    “Once is accident. Twice is coincidence. Three times is enemy action,”

  32. Gail Combs says:

    Larry Ledwick says: “…Does that lack of concern mean they know something we should?…”

    In a word yes. I outlined it over at Tony Heller’s Real Climate a year or two ago.

    The elites are ready to collapse Western Civilization. That is what Global Warming was all about.

    In 1913 the Federal Reserve Act was passed and the USA went to fiat currency.

    In the 1930s FDR agreed to the formation of a world government. He also confiscated all the privately owned gold and gave it to the banks. After that FOREIGN BANKS could trade US fiat dollars for gold. Thanks to WWII and the Vietnam war, all the good gold in Fort Knox was transferred out of the USA. That is why Nixon closed the window and took the USA off the gold standard.

    Then next step was a raid on the other US wealth, our manufacturing. Since the 1970s our manufacturing has been hollowed out and transferred out of country. Reagan allowed hostile takeovers and leveraged buyouts and as a result good companies like Gillette, with ZERO DEBT were raided and drained of assets.

    Whether you blame the leveraged buyout feeding frenzies of the 80’s or the World Trade Organization “Free Trade” agreement of the 90’s the result is the same America has been quietly sold off piece by piece. This is a sampling of the industries with over 50% foreign ownership, according to Source Watch http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Foreign_ownership_of_U.S._corporations

    * Sound recording industries – 97%
    * Commodity contracts dealing and brokerage – 79%
    * Motion picture and sound recording industries – 75%
    * Metal ore mining – 65%
    * Wineries and distilleries – 64%
    * Database, directory, Book and other publishers – 63%
    * Cement, concrete, lime, and gypsum product – 62%
    * Engine, turbine and power transmission equipment – 57%
    * Rubber product – 53%
    * Nonmetallic mineral product manufacturing – 53%
    * Plastics and rubber products manufacturing – 52%
    * Other insurance related activities – 51%
    * Boiler, tank, and shipping container – 50%
    * Glass and glass product – 48%
    * Coal mining – 48%

    A real eye opener isn’t it. But it gets worse. The Department of Homeland Security says 80% of our ports are operated by Foreigners and they are buying and running US bridges and toll roads.

    Statistics (courtesy of Bridgewater) showed in 1990, before WTO was ratified, Foreign ownership of U.S. assets amounted to 33% of U.S. GDP. By 2002 this had increased to over 70% of U.S. GDP.

    Hillary supposedly helped sell off 20% of US uranium production. Thanks to manuvuering by the US government our farmland and ranches are getting sold to big investors. (The effects food safety modernization actr should kick in during the next decade making privately owned farms financial suicide..)

    The Department of Homeland Security bought 1.6 billion rounds of ammo. Other departments like Education and Agriculture have armed and are buying ammo. The USA signed an agreement for the Canadian Military to enter the USA in the times of civil emergencies. Posse Comitatus The Act forbids the use of the military of the United States was repealed in 2008.

    Local police are coordinated with the Department of Homeland Security through Fusion Centers and are now being armed with war grade equipment. Local police now have war trained veterans with a mindset of looking at civilians as ‘The Enemy’

    O-Bummer has whipped up the hatred between blacks and whites and cops. Now add in the increased instability of the electric grid. The fact that Duke Power, a recently revamped company that controls most of the Eastern Seaboard gave major $$$ to the Obama campaign, says Duke is ‘onboard’ with what ever is planned.

    The July 13, 1977 NYC Blackout riots give you a good idea of what type of havoc can be created.

  33. Gail Combs says:

    AARGHhhh, my comment was too long and got kicked by WordImperfect…

    To Continue on the subject of “Does that lack of concern mean they know something we should?”
    Look at the ‘immigrants’ into this country.

    La Raza goals are to bring California, Texas and other southwestern states into Mexico. “re-conquista of land’ BOUGHT from Mexico after the war. Check out their schools and read about what they’re taught in their “chicano studies” — to invade and weaken US to “take back their Mexico” http://www.mayorno.com/WhoIsMecha.html

    La Raza is a racist organization that makes the KKK look like a church picnic. The La Raza goal is based on getting back the territory that Mexico lost & the US paid for after the Mexican-American War. Therefore it should be considered a Terrorist organization since it openly advocates the violent overthrow of US rule of law and occupation of United States territory with the ultimate intent of sedition. That is the real La Raza, which receives federal funds 30 million in CA alone.

    “Chicano is our identity; it defines who we are as people. It rejects the notion that we…should assimilate into the Anglo-American melting pot…Aztlan was the legendary homeland of the Aztecas … It became synonymous with the vast territories of the Southwest, brutally stolen from a Mexican people marginalized and betrayed by the hostile custodians of the Manifest Destiny.” (Statement on University of Oregon MEChA Website, Jan. 3, 2006)
    We are a bronze people with a bronze culture. Before the world, before all of North America, before all our brothers in the bronze continent, we are a nation, we are a union of free pueblos, we are Aztlan. For La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada.”

    That closing two-sentence motto is chilling to everyone who values equal rights for all. It says:

    “For The Race everything. Outside The Race, nothing.”

    La Raza was formed a Hitler paid American hater.

    Jose Vasconcelos who died in 1982, is the Nazi Propagandist behind La Raza Mexican nationalism. Like Soros, Jose was on the Nazi German payroll during WWII. La Raza, Spanish mexicans, with a dash of indian is the Mexican equivalent of the Nazi “aryan” Race. La Raza Cosmica is the Mexican equivalent of Hitler’s Mein Kemp written during the same time period.

  34. BobN says:

    It is amazing that La Raza with heir stated anti-American goals gets Federal support money every year. La Raza should be on the terrorist list.

  35. philjourdan says:

    The irony is that the American southwest was never a part of “Mexico”. Mexico governed it (for a very short period), once Spain pulled out of the new world. But it was a separate territory. It never “Belonged” to Mexico. It belonged to Spain (and if you wanted to get technical, it belonged to the Native Americans).

    La Raza is a lie.. Just as the Nazis were. A false narrative.

  36. Larry Ledwick says:

    I was not talking about the long game but the short game. What has changed in the short term that suddenly TPTB don’t concern themselves with appearances and are suddenly more brazen and open about their corruption?

    The implication is that they think they have passed a critical node which pretty much locks in their short game regardless of how the public feels.

    It could just be hubris, but it might also mean that some critical connection has been made or approved.

    It is like when that person who has been your nemesis for years is suddenly very nice to you for no apparent reason kind of tingle.

  37. E.M.Smith says:

    Mexico had dominion in California for about 9 years. They stole it from the Spanish. The Bear Republic stole it from them, then joined the Union. For a while, it was French (as the French dominated Mexico) and before all that, it was Russian. California has had many flags…


    If anyone has a legitimate claim to California, it is the natives (very few left) and the Russians in the North(who clearly were there long before Spanish and Mexicans for the northern part) and probably the British (for the middle part near San Francisco). Though you can make a case for Spain since they had that whole Missions thing for a long time and got to San Diego first.

    (Does that mean we can join the E.U.? Just wondering… ;-)

    BTW, under Mexico, the Missions were effectively destroyed. What you see today is largely a recreation for most of the Missions. It was the Spanish culture that made for a special California, until their demise. Mexico just plundered the place for about a decade until the Californios has a revolution… and the Bear Flag Republic made our State Flag…

    Cabrillo Expedition Flag 1542

    “Not truly having an official Spanish National flag, most explorers used the Spanish Royal Standard to represent the King and Queen of Spain.”

    So the King and Queen of Spain, and their heirs, might have a claim. Mexico not so much.

    Cross of Burgundy Flag 1506-1843

    The Cross of Burgundy Flag, used by Spain between 1506–1701 as a naval ensign, and until 1843 as a land military flag, was the flag of New Spain carried by Gaspar de Portola and Father Junipero Serra on their famous land exploration of California in 1769-1770 which led to the discovery of Monterey Bay and the founding of Mission San Carlos Borromeo de Carmelo and the Presidio of Monterey.

    So a pretty good claim by Spain and Spanish Royalty to everything from San Diego to San Francisco.

    The Flag of England 1579

    “This would have been the English flag planted by Sir Francis Drake at Drake’s Bay on June 17, 1579. It flew over California, which he called “New Albion,” for only 37 days.”

    Drake’s Bay postulated to be either San Pablo Bay or perhaps Tomales Bay. Essentially, that bit north of the Spanish.

    So England can likely lay claim to Marin County north. At least up to the Russian Line:

    Personal Standard of the Tsar 1699-1917

    There wasn’t an official Russian National Flag before 1896, but the Personal Standard of the Tsar, or Imperial Flag, which was a double-headed golden eagle carrying Saint Vladimir’s red coat of arms and four scrolls held in beaks and claws on a yellow field, served the purpose.

    Russian Navy ships also used an ensign called “The Flag of Russia” to identify their ships (see below).


    Russian American Company Flag 1799

    The Russian-American Company was a trading company chartered by Csar Paul I in 1799. The charter granted the company a monopoly over trade in Russian America. Under the charter, one-third of all profits were to go to the emperor. The Russian-American Company pursued the fur trade in California and in 1812 built a small fort near the Russian River called Ft Ross. Ivan Alexandrovich Kuskov was the builder of Fort Ross and from 1812 to 1821 served as the Russian colonial administrator.

    Fort Ross was the southernmost Russian outpost and is now reconstructed at the Fort Ross California State Historical Park.

    So Everything from about the Northern Third of California to Canada is Russian…

    One Russian Captain even sailed down to near Monterey and traded goods with the Spanish and got sweet on the Spanish Maiden daughter of the head guy… but I digress…

    The Flag of Russia 1812-1841

    On September 10, 1812, Ivan Kuskov established Fort Ross and claimed the Northern “Kalifornii” coast for the Czar. He unfurled this flag of Russia, the light blue Cross of St. Andrew on a field of white. This Russian presence near Spanish lands prompted the establishment of a military barracks and Mission in Sonoma. The Sonoma Mission was the furthest north of the 21 California Mission built.

    Twenty-nine years later, on December 12, 1841, Captain John A. Sutter bought Fort Ross for $30,000, mostly in foodstuffs and some gold, thus ending the era of Russian presence in Northern California.

    Now you can make a case that since Sutter bought it (though how much of the land north came with it is unclear) it was never owned by Spain or Mexico for parts north of San Francisco…

    Oh, and for a brief time we had Argentina running the place here:

    The War and Naval Ensign of Argentina 1818

    In a little known incident, the privateer Hippolyte de Boucharda, commanding two warships of the Argentine Revolutionary Navy occupied Monterey from November 24 to November 29, 1818. Bouchard was French by birth, but an Argentine citizen. The purpose of the attack was to encourage the Alto Californians to rebel against the Spanish government in support of the Mexican War for Independence. Therefore, for a short time, a small portion of the future State of California was under the flag of Argentina (hoisted in support of Mexican independence), although the hoped for spontaneous “Californio” rebellion didn’t result at the time.

    There were then 4 different Mexican flags as Mexico had a bit of trouble figuring out what it wanted to be when it grew up… and yes, the dates overlap as it was a mess.

    The First Mexican Empire Flag 1821-1823
    The First Mexican Federal Republic Flag 1823-1863
    The Monterey Mexican Flag 1821-1846
    The Mexican Civil Flag 1821-1864

    But during this mess, there were "revolutionaries" already saying NO to Mexico…

    California Mission Independence Flag

    This flag is a reconstruction of the flag believed to have been displayed during the first attempt to have California secede from Mexico. It was not uncommon for the Mexican tri-color without the eagle and serpent to have some other device or words substituted. This was a “Californio” attempt. The text on the flag reads INDEPENDENCIA DE CALIFORNIA or “California Independence.” The story behind this flag is that Mexican officers sympathetic with the notion of independence for California took this defaced Mexican Civil flag to the Padre at the Mission Santa Barbara. The good father refused it, being against overthrowing the established order, but it was later carried south and flown over the Mission San Buenaventura.

    There is no surviving original of this flag. The flag is described in a manuscript held at the Babcroft Library in Berkeley California.

    Now, little known to Texans is that California is “The Lone Star State”. We claimed it is 1836 which is the same year the Texas Republic did too, but I’m sure we did it first, honest!

    California “Lone Star” Republic Flag 1836

    In 1836, Juan Alvarado vowed to gain increased autonomy for California from Mexican rule with either “bullets or words.” He hoisted this white flag with a single, centered, red five-pointed star at Monterey. ( Click here for more on the significance of the red star )

    In 1834, Alvarado had been elected to the Alta California Legislature as a delegate and appointed customs inspector in Monterey. The Mexican government had then appointed Lieutenant Colonel Nicolas Guterrez as Governor against the wishes of the legislature. In November of 1836, Alvarado and Jose Castro (with Vallejo’s political support) surrounded the presidio at Monterey and forced Guterrez to surrender power to them. At the time of Alvarado’s revolt, he still favored remaining a part of Mexico, and working with the Mexican government. With Vallejo’s political support, he went on to become a two-time Governor of Alta California from 1836–1837, and later between 1842–1845.

    This flag survives and is preserved in the Autry National Center in Pasadena, California. It may be the oldest surviving flag in the State of California.

    So Mexico “kinda sorta” had some claim between 1821 and 1836, or maybe 15 years, except that they didn’t actually have any presence in most all of the place. Actual presence was more like 9 years in most parts with a load of confusion on both ends. Alta California having it’s own legislature and telling the Mexican guy to stuff it.

    Eventually to become:

    The Bear Flag Republic 1846

    It was in 1846 in town of Sonoma that William B. Ide was named the “Commander” of the Bear Flag Revolt. Which Sonoma flag was the first flag of the short-lived California Republic is unclear, but we do know is that this was officially the “last” flag of the California Republic. It was created by William Todd, a nephew of Mary Todd, the wife of Abraham Lincoln. We should note that Todd never claimed his was the first Bear Flag, or the only one.

    Which eventually elected to join the Union and become a State…

    There’s a bunch more smaller importance flags at the link, but I think this gives a pretty good idea of how strong is Mexico’s claim to California (and much of the rest of the South West).

    Basically, much of it belonged to others (Russia, perhaps England, France via their dominance of Mexico for a while) and was never given up to them. They claimed ownership after their revolution from Spain, but practical presence was sparse until they made a mess of things and the folks here declared independence from them… Then gold was found, a flood of Americans came in, and the California Republic became a State.

    Note that the Republic already contained a lot of non-Mexican non-Spanish population.

    In large part, the Mexican “contribution” to California was a bunch of greedy destructive military forces running around making a mess of things and some “official” Governors confiscating Catholic Church Properties and handing it out to their friends, destroying missions in the process. After a decade or so of this, the locals had a revolt and drove them out. Spanish, Americans, and others (mix of English, French, etc.) working together to make an independent Republic.

    Unfortunately, after about a month the US Navy showed up and took over:

    The Modified Fort Sutter 27-Star Flag 1846

    In July of 1846 the US Navy officially took possession of California for the United States. From his northern California anchorage at Yerba Buena (San Francisco), Commodore Sloat dispatched naval landing parties to hoist the United States flag at strategic locations. After flag risings in Yerba Buena, Monterey, Sonoma and other locations, the small fleet had reportedly run out of the then current 28 star ensigns. The party dispatched to Sutter’s Fort was given an obsolete 27 star US flag and some star-cloth to be used to convert it while on their way up the American River.

    So who’s claim is most important? Russia and Spain being first? England as a wedge in the middle that has never been repudiated? Argentina as possessor and advocate for independence? Mexico as a decade or so military presence that the locals tossed out? Their California Republic (that was rapidly absorbed by the USA), or the USA that has held the place for 170 years now, longer than pretty much anyone other than the Spanish?

    Probably ought to have made a posting out of this instead of a way too long comment…

    BTW, the total Mexican population of California in 1800, even if you generously tossed in all the Spanish, would not make a small sized village today…

  38. Gail Combs says:

    Thanks for the history lesson E.M. Too bad they no longer bother to teach history any more just PC feel good crap.

    Of course if the goal is to divide the country to make it vulnerable for take over, the lies instead of real history works just dandy.

  39. Gail Combs says:

    Larry Ledwick says:

    I was not talking about the long game but the short game. What has changed in the short term that suddenly TPTB don’t concern themselves with appearances and are suddenly more brazen and open about their corruption?

    I think they do not give a rat’s behind because everything is now in place to take the USA down.

    This is where I think we are now especially given the size of the Federal Debt vs the lack of wealth making capability to pay it.
    Stewart Dougherty, a specialist in inferential analysis, said back in 2009, It is now “statistically impossible for the United States to pay its obligations”. http://www.kitco.com/ind/Dougherty/aug262009.html

    Once Hillary packs the Supreme Court you can kiss the 1st and second amendment good by. If they get the Constitutional Convention they are agitating for, the entire document gets re-written.

    William Russell and the Bolsheviks
    The Bolsheviks, during wartime alliances with the U.S., both WWI and WWII, mastered the art of maximizing benefits from the relationship while giving away minimal information. Lenin and Trotsky allowed the Creel Committee to use Russia as a platform for its propagandizing. All the while the communists were observing the Americans, gathering assessment data. The cynical veterans of decades of underground revolutionary espionage activities observed the Americans and marveled at how naïve them Americans really were.

    Many Americans left Russia after diplomatic service or service in the Creel Committee with a clear-eyed understanding of what the Bolsheviks were all about. However, many Americans left Russia in thrall to the communists.

    One who observed and understood was the Creel Committee foreign educational section member, and future dean of Teachers College, William R. Russell. He was in Russia soon after the Bolsheviks seized power and spent considerable time there, working on Creel propaganda against the Germans, for the Bolsheviks, and later against the Bolsheviks. Russell described how he saw the communist tradecraft:

    The way they worked their way to the seizure of power was as follows: Talk about peace, talk about social equality, especially among those most oppressed. Talk about organization of labor, and penetrate into every labor union. Talk on soapboxes. Publish pamphlets and papers. Orate and harangue. Play on envy. Arouse jealousy. Separate class from class. Try to break down the democratic processes from within. Accustom the people to picketing, strikes, mass meetings. Constantly attack the leaders in every way possible so that the people will lose confidence. Then in time of national peril, during a war, on the occasion of a great disaster, or of a general strike, walk into the capital and seize the power. A well-organized minority can work wonders

    Willing Accomplices: How KGB Covert Influence Agents Created Political Correctness and Destroyed America by Kent Clizbe

  40. p.g.sharrow says:

    I keep thinking about what FBI’s James Comey said and how he said it.
    It appears to me that the Justice Department /Administration made it clear to him that there would be no indictment no prosecution of Hillary. So he did the second best thing. He laid out a public recitation of facts and publicly laid the indictment between the lines. CYA style of straddling the fence. Hopefully Hillary will have be convicted in the court of public opinion first…pg

  41. Larry Ledwick says:

    I agree with your basic assessment directly above Gail. (7 July 2016 at 3:07 am)

    If you have not read it, get a copy of the book “Disinformation” by Lt. Gen. Ion Mihai Pacepa
    He was a high ranking official in Romania and saw all this from the inside, he tells some fascinating stories about how the process works and how truly deeply embedded their influence agents are/have been in nearly every avenue of life in the west for almost 8 decades and especially in locations which are critical nodes and information sources in our society. Then blend it with the coverage by Sharyl Attkisson and her TED talk on “astro turf” and how the media is played (or plays us) to create grass roots influence campaigns which are not organic from the people, but totally synthetic productions of folks who want to influence the news cycle and public perception “wag the dog” operations.
    Then some deep reading over at https://20committee.com/ for some intelligence community background.

    The completed picture is far more ominous than is generally perceived. Most people don’t look below the surface. (I am not talking about nut case conspiricy folks here either, but well documented influence operations dating back to the 1950’s and 1960’s) Soviet/Communist agents who influenced US policy for decades and were not outed until after the Berlin wall came down and we could cross check information from the Venona intercepts with Soviet records for a brief period before that door slammed shut again.

    People often like to talk about McCarthy as if he was wrong. Most of his assertions were in fact correct or substantially correct but were not proven until 30-40 years later. The witch hunt atmosphere he created has over shadowed the true message of his efforts to uncover how riddled with influence agents we were (and likely still are) at all levels of society.

    The Soviets/Communists/Russians play a very long game, they are working on a persistent inch by inch compromise of the western systems of government how ever long it takes. The names of the agencies have changed but not the basic mission and intent.

  42. Graeme No.3 says:

    Would the Mexicans really want California back?

    Re Hilary; will some bank robber try the Hilary defence “Yes, your Honor, I was found by the police outside the bank in my car, with a bag of money, but the car wasn’t moving so they can’t prove I meant to steal the money”.

  43. E.M.Smith says:

    I think I gave the French presence in California short shrift calling it just the time they dominated Mexico… They were also present on the land. I’ve driven through French Camp hundreds of times.


    French Camp was the southernmost regular camp site of the Hudson’s Bay Company southern fur brigades sent from Fort Vancouver (now Vancouver, Washington), established by Michel Laframboise in 1832. Its Spanish name was preserved in a land grant dated January 13, 1844 as Camp de Los Franceses. It is commemorated as California State Historic Landmark 668:

    Here was the terminus of the Oregon-California trail used by the French-Canadian trappers employed by the Hudson’s Bay Company from about 1832 to 1845. Michel Laframboise, among others, met fur hunters here annually, where they camped with their families. In 1844 Charles Maria Weber and William Gulnac promoted the first white settlers’ colony on “Rancho del Campo de Los Franceses” which included French Camp and the site of Stockton.

    Though not a political presence, it was a cultural and economic presence.

    Kind of a different view of California from the crib notes version of “it was Mexican”…

    It was a place full of French, Spanish, Russians, German (Sutter was Swiss and called his part of California New Switzerland), English and many many more long before Mexico tried to claim it. In many ways it is more European Union than Mexican. Maybe we can swap California for the UK in a hostage swap deal…

  44. E.M.Smith says:

    @Graeme No.3:

    Mexican GDP: $1.291 Trillion
    Californian GDP: $2.458 Trillion


    So they would make their economy 3 x present… uh, yeah, they would want it…

    BTW, present population is about 1/2 hispanic and Spanish is about as common as English in many parts of the State for informal use. The transition would be easy… outside of Hollywood and Sacramento…

    Frankly, I suspect the governance would improve and be more conservative too…

    Were it proposed, I’d not resist it.

    Why? Frankly, things wouldn’t get worse and might actually improve… besides, the cost of drugs would go down ;-) and factories could relocate from the rest of the USA to California…

    I love the State as it was in 1960. What it is now would be easily improved by almost any outside influence / agent / change… the politics here suck… just look at San Francisco and B.Boxer & Nancy Pelosi… Just taking them out of US politics would be a huge net gain for the USA…

  45. philjourdan says:

    @E.M. – I just gave the 30 second sound byte edition, but I appreciate the longer version. I had forgotten about the Russian Claim to Marin County north (can we give that back to them now?).

    The whole La Raza Claim is really a hoax, and millennials are stupid enough to fall for it.

  46. Larry Ledwick says:


    Also pending from today’s Congressional hearings Comey will now be served with a referral to specifically investigate if Hillary lied to Congress while under oath.

    This should be fun! Looks like their “sneak through the crack” maneuver to side step indictment is really a long step into a pool of quicksand that will suck them ever deeper into this mess.

    This could drag out for over a year, all during the campaign season.

    Also members of Congress are requesting that she and her staff be denied all access to classified info due to her demonstrated “carelessness” with classified material. It will be interesting to see how you have a presidential candidate who cannot be briefed on classified information.

    Senator Cory Gardner – Hillary Clinton should be stripped of her security clearance and I introduced a bill with Senator John Cornyn that does just that.

    It probably will not pass out of Congress but it is just another drip drip drip on the topic she will have to defend through out the campaign season.

  47. E.M.Smith says:

    OK, so gag order the agents not to tell anyone what happened, sneak Empress Hillary in on a weekend holiday, don’t bother to swear her in, and have no recording of the process. When I’m under threat of indictment can I get that deal? And this gives me confidence that it was an impartial examination of criminal potential exactly how?

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  50. Larry Ledwick says:

    One or maybe 2 of those odd developments could be explained as an oversight or incompetence or even a simple error like failing to read Miranda rights to a suspect, but the chain of one thing after another can only be explained by and intentional effort to poison the process, and preordain the outcome. All that sends a very destructive message to the public about equal justice under the law. Justice is clearly not blind for the connected.

  51. p.g.sharrow says:

    Strange how high ranking government officials and lawyers can plead ignorance of the law to escape prosecution. The Clintons also feign poor memories and low comprehension…pg

  52. u.k(us) says:

    @ E.M. Smith,
    Who is this “Frankly” you keep speaking of ?
    Just spill it, we don’t need no qualifiers, we’re all big boys and gals :)

  53. E.M.Smith says:

    @u.k. (u.s.):

    In the manner of the Franks, a German tribe of northen France. To speak directly and without excess indirection or polite forms.

    So “Frankly” is The Franks or The Frankish, and specifically IS NOT qualified and IS “spitting it out” …

    But I think you realized I’m not prone to flowery indirection anyway :-)

  54. gallopingcamel says:

    I am with Professor Dershowitz on this one:

    Once the FBI decides not to request a criminal prosecution it should not make the details of its investigation public.

    As it is the FBI produced a laundry list of crimes including felonies yet denied Hillary her “Day in Court”. Let’s see if Congress overlooks the lies she told them under oath. If you or I did that we would already be in handcuffs.

  55. Another Ian says:


    A view from down here


    And check comments, particularly Newbposter at Friday, 08 July 2016 at 04:26 PM

  56. Gail Combs says:

    E. M. asks “When did my country become a South American Banana Republic?”

    In the 1930s when FDR agreed to hand US sovereignty over to the United Nations AND when he confiscated personally owned gold and gave it to the international bankers using Executive Order 6102.

    The actual begining was 1913.

    1913 -Federal Reserve Act giving a private group control of the US money supply.

    1913 – The 16th amendment established Congress’s right to impose a Federal income tax thus allowing Congress to pay back the principle and interest ‘borrowed’ from that private group with the wealth/labor of the American citizen. Of course the money borrowed was printed out of thin air but who cares when it is the government and their Puppet Masters doing the fraud. Taxes now strip about 60% to 80% of the wealth from the middle class when you include all the hidden taxes..

    1913 – the 17th Amendment changed the election of the Senate from the control of the state to popular vote. Prior to 1913 state legislatures elected two U.S. senators to represent them in Congress. This was done as a curb on the power of the federal government.

    1915 – J. P. Morgan and his buddies took over the important newspapers in order to control the information getting to the people. This changed the USA from non-interventionist to war monger.

  57. Larry Ledwick says:

    And to state the obvious the events in Dallas push all the news about Hillary off the front page, and her scandalous behavior in less than 24 hours has become a distant memory in most people’s minds as they focus on the tragedy in Dallas. Meanwhile before we even know the details of the shooting, (identities of shooters, etc.) some in Congress are already beating the drum for gun control when they have no clue what really happened.

    So nearly a week of building pressure to look deeply into Hillary’s behavior “Pffftttt” gone in a puff of gun smoke. Yesterday’s news not even being covered in the media any more.

  58. Gail Combs says:


    Makes you wonder if the shooters were mercs for hire with Soros paying the shot.

  59. Jeff says:

    Considering that (Texas shootings) and Larry Ledwick’s List from yesterday
    ( http://www.wnd.com/2016/07/above-the-law-hillarys-huge-scandal-list-explodes-to-25/ ) it looks like we’ve gone from “Follow the money” of the Watergate days to “Follow the bodies” of the Clinton days…

    Interesting, too, how the media here in Beautiful Downtown Deutschland (and the EU in general)
    paint these sort of things. As if they’re “owned”, too…

    In addition, there’ve been all sorts of idiotic and/or draconian laws passed in the various parliaments whilst the proletariat suffers through the European Cup (soccer) finals.

    Nowhere left to move to…

  60. Larry Ledwick says:

    Interesting analysis. I have to agree with it in that what ever you say about Hoover he was his own check and balance in government, and getting on the wrong side of the FBI in his days were simply unthinkable for most government officials. The good news is he had good intentions (although sometimes poorly executed). If he had wanted to he could have become another Putin.


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