Gail & Serioso discuss Soros and sundry other things

Gail & Serioso discuss Soros and sundry other things.

This started as an exchange here:

https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2017/01/23/0-00154-of-usa-cranky-in-d-c/#comment-78239

With a request by Serioso for a response. So, Serioso, here’s your page, make your response.

So, the only rules are: Keep it R rated or cleaner (“damn” and “ass” acceptable, f-bombs not). No direct insults “to the person” between posters (insults of “public persons” acceptable under US law). Indirect insults, if amusing and clever enough will be noted but not reprimanded.
(I’ll be too busy chuckling… ;-)

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About E.M.Smith

A technical managerial sort interested in things from Stonehenge to computer science. My present "hot buttons' are the mythology of Climate Change and ancient metrology; but things change...
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51 Responses to Gail & Serioso discuss Soros and sundry other things

  1. Gail Combs says:

    EM
    The problem is not ‘globalism’ vs ‘nationalism’ The problem is the Power Hungry Evil Bs..ds. They really don’t care what route they take to power, ‘globalism’ or ‘nationalism’ (Stalin vs Hitler) although the idea of controlling the entire world has always been the lode stone.
    Chandragupta Maurya
    Alexander the Great
    Ghenghis Khan
    William the Conqueror
    Mohammed
    Britian
    Soviet Union….

    Today we have two problems:
    Power is very addictive to the point the power hungry become irrational — The neurochemistry of power

    If a world wide totalitarian state is implemented with the technology of today will make it almost impossible to fight.

  2. Gail Combs says:

    The biggest problem I have with globalism is there is no where left to run.

    If there is no where left to run, no possibility of help from others outside, then the State has no problem murdering citizens by the millions. LINK

    If you want to look at the ‘Power of the State’ used to squash an individual look no further than the Obama Admins attack on Catherine Engelbrecht.

    This was taken down but it is archived on the wayback.

    How Widespread is Voter Fraud? | 2012 Facts & Figures

    Here are the facts:

    To date, 46 states have prosecuted or convicted cases of voter fraud.
    More than 24 million voter registrations are invalid, yet remain on the rolls nation-wide.
    There are over 1.8 million dead voters still eligible on the rolls across the country.
    More than 2.75 million Americans are registered to vote in more than one state….

    Federal records showed 160 counties in 19 states have over 100 percent voter registration….

    How popular is Voter ID?

    74 percent of Americans support, according to The Washington Post.
    71 percent of Latinos support it, according to the PEW Research Center.
    …………

    How did our voting records get so bad?

    Various groups threaten local election authorities to not maintain their rolls according to federal law…

    For the CRIME of publicizing Voter Fraud, Catherine Engelbrecht, founder of True the Vote, and her family’s business became a target of the Left.
    A tea-party group targeted by Democrats gets attention from the IRS—and the FBI, OSHA, and the ATF
    After the kind attentions of the IRS, came the FBI scrutinizing their sign-up to a Tea Party group and then…

    …the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) launched an unscheduled audit of their machine shop….

    That was in February. In July, the Occupational Safety and Health Administration paid a visit to Engelbrecht Manufacturing while Bryan, Catherine, and their children were out of town. The OSHA inspector talked with the managerial staff and employees, inspecting the premises minutely. But Bryan says the agent found only “little Mickey Mouse stuff, like, ‘You have safety glasses on, but not the right kind; the forklift has a seatbelt, but not the right kind.’” Yet Catherine and Bryan said the OSHA inspector complimented them on their tightly run shop and said she didn’t know why she had been sent to examine it…. Not long after, the tab arrived. OSHA was imposing $25,000 in fines on Engelbrecht Manufacturing.

    A few months later, True the Vote became the subject of congressional scrutiny. In September, Senator Barbara Boxer (D., Calif.) wrote to Thomas Perez, then the assistant attorney general of the civil rights division at the Department of Justice (who has now been nominated for labor secretary). “As you know, an organization called ‘True the Vote,’ which is an offshoot of the Tea Party, is leading a voter suppression campaign in many states,” Boxer wrote, adding that “this type of intimidation must stop. I don’t believe this is ‘True the Vote.’ I believe it’s ‘Stop the Vote.’”

    And in October, Representative Elijah Cummings (D., Md.), the ranking minority member of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, attacked True the Vote in a letter. He wrote that “some have suggested that your true goal is not voter integrity, but voter suppression against thousands of legitimate voters who traditionally vote for Democratic candidates.” He added that: “If these efforts are intentional, politically motivated, and widespread across multiple states, they could amount to a criminal conspiracy to deny legitimate voters their constitutional rights.” He also decried True the Vote on MSNBC and CNN

    The next month, in November 2012, the Texas Commission on Environmental Quality, the state’s environmental agency, showed up for an unscheduled audit at Engelbrecht Manufacturing. Catherine says the inspector told her the agency had received a complaint but couldn’t provide any more details. After the inspection, the agency notified the Engelbrechts that they needed to pay for an additional mechanical permit, which cost about $2,000 per year….

    And then it was back to the IRS….

    …True the Vote (TTV) President Catherine Engelbrecht issued the following statement in response to Thursday night’s House Oversight Committee hearing testimony, in which TIGTA Deputy Inspector General for Investigations, Timothy Camus, revealed that the IRS is now being investigated for criminal misconduct including lying under oath about disposition of missing emails and finding of email backup tapes that appear to have been intentionally erased.

    “The IRS was apparently given instruction to do whatever necessary to silence those who spoke out against the Obama Administration. It became a West Wing weapon of choice,” True the Vote Founder Catherine Engelbrecht said. “As the nation’s only pro-liberty election integrity organization, True the Vote was marked for takedown by the IRS early in 2010, along with hundreds of other organizations that spoke openly about government corruption. It took a long time, too long, for the pieces to be put together, but Americans are beginning to understand that the politics of ‘hope and change’ has an enforcement arm that operates like an organized crime syndicate….
    link

    Note that the Left is STILL denying there is voter fraud despite all the evidence. Voting Machine Manufacturer Diebold Charged Over Bribery, Fraud, And “Worldwide Pattern Of Criminal Conduct

    So yes there is voter fraud, TONS of voter fraud and the left is scared that it will be uncovered because they have been stealing elections for years as Veritas showed. Second Veritas Video: DNC Operatives Admit They’ve Rigged Elections for Half a Century

  3. E.M.Smith says:

    That Stalin poster reminds of the UK Brexit vote that now gets voted on by the Parliament… some votes seemingly count more than others…

    BTW, the genesis of this thread was the Serioso complaint about your criticism of Soros. Do you have a Soros angle on any of this? (Such as his anti-Nationalist stance, or funding of open borders?) It isn’t necessary to restrict to Soros, but that was the thing in tension between your comment and Serioso’s desire for a response.

  4. Gail Combs says:

    Soros Albania — https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/28972

    ‘Make Soros happy’: Inside Clinton team’s mission to please billionaire VIP “Most of the Soros-related correspondences with Podesta came via Michael Vachon, an adviser and spokesman for Soros, who frequently emailed Podesta to schedule phone calls and meetings and relay his boss’ policy positions.”

    So Vachon is the name to put into the search function @ WikiLeaks.
    https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/

    The fighting now in the middle east instigated by Soros Color Revolutions has to do with a gas pipeline
    link

    Soros admits responsibility for Coup Ukraine: In another softball interview with CNN’s Zakaria, billionaire George Soros last May coolly admitted: “I set up a foundation in Ukraine before Ukraine became independent of Russia. And the foundation has been functioning ever since and played an important part in events now.”

    George Soros: The hidden hand behind ‘color revolutions’…the Open Society Institute has been promoting “democracy” all over the world if, by democracy, one means the overthrow of governments unfriendly to Anglo-American banking interests and installing new and more corrupt leadership in its place….

    Zero Hedge: Anti-Trump US Color Revolution Includes Soros and Clinton ‘Purple’ Takeover?

    Billionaire Globalist Soros Exposed as Hidden Hand Behind Trump Protests — Provoking US ‘Color Revolution’ … Billionaire globalist financier George Soros’ MoveOn.org has been revealed to be a driving force behind the organizing of nationwide protests against the election of Donald Trump — exposing the protests to largely be an organized, top-down operation — and not an organic movement of concerned Americans taking to the streets as reported by the mainstream media. -Free Thought Project

    …The original color revolutions were conducted against countries abroad to bring them into line with globalist strategies as promoted via American power. US intelligence agencies, the Pentagon and other internationalist facilities domestically and abroad were utilized.

    It could be that the same coalition is now at work inside of the US. While this “color revolution” may be led by Soros and even partially funded by him, it may be a large effort is underway that includes elements of the US “shadow government.” ….

    Soros is not the only one. I traced the Tony Blair, UN, JP Morgan, Fabian Society tracks to the ‘Arab Spring’ in Egypt and the murder of Gaddafi because of his wish for a gold back currency.
    .November 2011 Gadhafi’s Gold-money Plan Would Have Devastated Dollar Prior to Gaddafi’s death Blair was in the middle east as middleman for the UN and JPMorgan.

    Declassified Emails Reveal NATO Killed Gaddafi to Stop Libyan Creation of Gold-Backed Currency SO that was a no brainer even before the e-mails came to light.

    So where IS Gaddafi’s gold and silver????

  5. philjourdan says:

    Love the comment. He first jumps out and says Gail is “so over the top”, then says Gail is accurate. So what is he “j’accusing” her of? Accuracy! Something the left is totally unfamiliar with! Yes, the splody heads on the left are coming faster and faster as they burble in impotent rage at the facts that have for too long been suppressed by the MSM (or relegated to page A 42).

  6. cdquarles says:

    I don’t know how familiar Gail is with Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals, phil, but she sure has the knack and the alacrity to use their playbook against them. To me, that’s Serioso’s issue. Payback is how you deal with bullies. Hit them where they hurt, usually by embarrassing them in front of their crew of sycophants.

  7. u.k.(us) says:

    Herding cats are we :)

  8. Gail Combs says:

    E.M., I picked on Soros because he is much in the news and like George Bernard Shaw is not shy about sticking his foot in his mouth due to his arrogance. The Ford Foundation and the Rockefellers and Rothschilds among others are also globalists and are quite willing to give things a good hard shove. (Ford Foundation is also funding BLM and the Pink Pussy Astroturf)

    It is just that recently Ole’ George has been caught more often thanks to his funding Clinton and the emails where he tells her what he wants done when she was Sec of State.

    George Bernard Shaw, co-founder of the Fabian SOCIALIST Society Defends Hitler, Mass Murder – YouTube

    Let’s face it, large corporations really really hate national borders because they are a royal pain in the ass! You need to negotiate and learn each set of laws so of COURSE they want a world over-government that THEY control. And that is what the EU and the Trans-Pacific Partnership was all about.

    Why in heck is that hard to understand or that Soros, an internationalist, is not above giving a shove to countries that stand in his way, including the USA? If you have the money and the power, why not use it to buy what you want? His Nazi childhood would not have left him squeamish about killing off other humans.

  9. Gail Combs says:

    Alinsky’s Rules for Radical
    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1420684/posts
    I have it bookmarked but I do not use it that I know of. Instead I try to use FACTS.

    I am willing to change my mind if someone can show me facts that I did not know.

    (I am still waiting for some guy at Tony Heller’s to show me the method by which plants get carbon from other than CO2.)

  10. Serioso says:

    To repeat what I posted on your earlier blog:
    Chief, I’m sorry to say I’m not interested in carrying on a debate with Gail. I said what I wanted to say about her distortions, and I’ll leave it at that. Y’all will note that in her replies the distortions continue (e.g., she leaves out Soros’ age at the time he was a Nazi). Debating Gail would be a complete waste of my time. Sorry — but thanks for the invitation!

  11. E.M.Smith says:

    @Serioso:

    So your complaint about your “problem” was not asking for a “go ahead” but just kvetching?

    O.K…

    Well, then, I guess this will be a rather one sided debate with Gail being free to post without any contravening evidence.

    BTW, My Dad, at 16, lied about his age and enlisted in the U.S. Army. Went in at Utah beach about DDay+2 or 3 (he wasn’t sure as it was a chaotic ride / time) in a “Duce & 1/2 Truck” and proceeded to blow things up and build things (Combat Engineer… first to build the bridge under fire, last to blow it up after the rest of the Army and even Marines are behind him… the real “1st in last out”). Somehow he never said being 16 at the time stopped him from “Killing Nazis” or that it diminished the value of his war contribution… Just saying’ that 16 year old bleat isn’t buying you much… The “Old Men” in his Army were the 17 and 18 year olds….

    OK, with Serioso capitulating and / or withdrawing, the rules can change:

    This is now an open thread for anyone to post their opinions, observations, or references on Sorors, his NGOs, his political activities & history of destruction of nations (“Color Revolutions”), etc. etc.

  12. p.g.sharrow says:

    Too bad serioso chickened out. I was looking forward to Gail testing the intellect of this want to be young artist…pg

  13. Ian W says:

    The Fabian Window showing the Progressive’s ideas as a metaphor
    https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS_vrxZae80E7nZyQ5eO4hkh3913cIuIxD-X7a_0EDyiL5SOOFj0A
    Shows George Bernard Shaw and Sydney Webb ‘breaking the world to “remould it closer to the heart’s desire”

    One wonders if the destruction of the world economies is the modern instantiation of the Fabian progressives and their funding billionaires and ‘secret’ societies.

  14. John F. Hultquist says:

    Given the broadening of the topic, I thought of other folks that are on the wall of shame.
    Note within the document linked to, the names of Paul Ehrlich & John P. Holdren:

    “… meet Julian Simon, the Doomslayer.
    http://archive.wired.com/wired/archive/5.02/ffsimon_pr.html

    Simon died in 1998 at age 65.

  15. cdquarles says:

    Still, Gail, you’ve picked a target, frozen it and isolated it. You have also used the target’s words against him.

  16. LG says:

    Stop Operation Soros (SOS): Massive Movement To Overthrow George Soros Explodes In Macedonia

    The SOS founders called on citizens around the world to “fight against one-mindedness in the civil sector, which is devised and led by George Soros.” The movement has been set up to expose the ‘subversive activities of all of George Soros’s organizations. Hungary has also taken to steps to clamp down on Soros funded organizations by banning them from the country.

    Joseph Farrell further speculates:

  17. Jeff says:

    Two of my wife’s family members (she’s German), possibly more, were FORCED into Hitler’s army at 15 years of age. One of them was captured, and eventually WALKED back to Germany from somewhere in France; the other was severely injured. Neither of them wanted to be in the war, but they had no choice.

    Fifteen years of age is old enough to hold and use a gun; it is also old enough to drive (at least on farms, etc., or when the parents aren’t looking). It is also old enough to snitch and/or kill, depending on one’s mores or lack thereof.

    I think the talking point about “15 years is too young”, etc., etc., is another CTR lie. As I said above, there were 15-year-olds in the German army, and, at the end of the war, quite a few of them, especially considering how thinly they were spread on the many fronts. Also, considering that Soros considers himself a “Saviour”, he may have doctored his own past to save his “future”…..

  18. E.M.Smith says:

    @Jeff:

    Yup!

    @LG:

    Wow! Hungary gets clue… That’s Russia and Hungary fully on side, USA Republicans having clue forced on then via Trump. This thing could snowball… if we are lucky…

  19. p.g.sharrow says:

    Crimes against humanity would certainly fit here
    I remember first hearing of George Soros in the late 1970s as a “fund Manager” for eastern European money. You know, when eastern European Communist Party aperatiks were the people with big money under their control. With the dissolution of the Soviet Union they had the money to buy up control of the newly privatized corporations from the pauperized citizens. Mean while George enriched himself by stripping 3rd world countries through bond debit manipulations. A “TRUE” humanitarian, Destroyer of Nations…pg

  20. Alexander K says:

    My Dad had his 16th birthday in France as a mounted trooper with the NZEF. He also fought in Europe in WWII in a machinegun battallion after telling lies about his age. He survived both.
    Age is irrelevant to both patriots and the conscripted.

  21. beththeserf says:

    Since the 1980’s Soros has pursued a global agenda via his ‘Open Society’
    Foundation. I disregard the early N*z* bit, let’s get to to what’s firmly on the
    record. There’s Soros’ currency speculations that threw Britain and Asia
    into currency crisis. There’s who he donates to and who are his friends?
    What’s he doing? He’s trying to destroy national borders clean-slate, ends
    justify the means. Viva la supra state! He’s about guvuhmint at at a distance
    by philosopher kings. The Merkel Plan? Its chairman’s a fellow of Soros’
    ‘Open’ Society.

    Ironic that Soros’ uses Popper’s ‘Open Society and its Enemies’ (in
    which Popper attacked top down government, and argued for
    democratic trial and error reforms, attacking Plato’s blueprint for the
    ‘ideal state) as Plato used Socrates, sock puppet redirection, Soros’
    necessary lie, to cover up his undemocratic aims, promote ‘control as
    freedom,’ … George Orwell, ‘1984.’

    http://w ww.zerohedge.com/news/2016-07-08/how-george-soros-single
    handedly-created-european-refugee-crisis-and-why

  22. R. de Haan says:

    Lot’s of shady Soros platforms, universities, Foundations, charities, think tanks etc. have emerged all over the world creating bot armies of really disturbed people. Is there a listing of them so we know from where his snake oil is poored into our societies? http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-26/german-newspaper-editor-assassination-easiest-way-end-trump-catastrophe

  23. philjourdan says:

    @CD – I think Gail is familiar with Alinsky’s rules. Indeed I think the whole nation is. But just having read another of her comments (borrowed from another), I had to smile. Knowing your enemy is one thing. But you have to USE that information. Trump did – and won. The left has not quite grasped that fact yet. Before Trump, republicans were afraid to use the information.

    Serioso’s problem is he is a slow learner – like most of the left. His tactics are no longer effective because we know he is going to use them, and we have the counter attack.

  24. LG says:

    Did you Say SNOWBALL ?

    Canada Must Ban George Soros Foundations Now

    It’s of paramount importance that Canada and other nations cut off foreign funding to civil society groups and foundations which operate within their borders. These foundations and organizations represent outside forces which have ulterior motives and agendas which may not always, if ever, be aligned with the needs of the people.

    One such foreign “philanthropic” organization is the George Soros funded Open Society Foundation. This foundations sole purpose is the promotion and expansion of the liberal-left international agenda meant to reduce national sovereignty, fund and support massive migration, such as is taking place in Europe, and the promote the mandate of open borders.

    Soros and his foundations have provided the majority of funding for liberal-left social justice movements which have eroded national identity, encouraged abortion and divorce, and promote extremist environmentalism and taxation, such as the carbon tax scams which are being implemented in western nations.

  25. E.M.Smith says:

    @L.G.:

    The problem for a Troll operating from the Shadows and hiding behind the Curtain is a simple one. While highly effective as a puppetmaster for a while, which can be a long while, once one little kid pulls back the curtain and points at the strings… well, let’s just say the strong light of visibility can be a powerful bleach.

    Then, once that awareness is public, even in just a few, it starts to spread. Initially it can be slowed with “Attacks to the person” and slandering the observers, but it is an exponential growth process, and eventually evrey action from behind the curtains is met with a spotlight being shone on the strings and the levers and the Troll Behind The Curtain.

    Nice to see awareness is spreading to Canada… Now if we can just get France on board…

    Russia – Check.
    Hungary – Check.
    USA – WIP (Awareness in minority group of Right Wing)
    UK – WIP (Brexit reacted to symptoms, but opens the door for root cause analysis)
    Canada – Emerging
    France – Emerging
    Australia – ??
    Netherlands – ??

    Basket Cases:

    Germany
    EU Government

    IMHO, the most effective thing to do would be to simply make sure every “demonstration” news program shows and highlights the organizing groups, and their funding chain back to Soros. Shine that light…

    The problem, of course, is that the MSM / YSM is in the same bed with Soros groups… So it will be up to those real Journalists left in the world to light the lights.

  26. Jeff says:

    @ R. de Haan, there’s a site here that has quite a few organizations and their networks. Here’s a link
    for (he-wants-to-keep-us-all)lonesome George: http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=977

  27. Serioso says:

    Chief, if you will allow me one more comment after I promised to cease: My problem with Gail is that she defends her position like a lawyer, completely one-sided, leaving out exculpatory evidence. I can hardly be expected to be defense council against all her arguments. But when she attacks George Soros, leaving out his age (at the time), the fact of his religion, the fact of his persecution, the fact that he was subject to deportation and execution at any moment, and so on, she becomes, for me, an easy target, an object of derision, a lawyer. A dishonest lawyer, if you will. I’m not about to rebut every foolish argument Gail makes. But, every so often, she’s such an easy target that I am motivated to respond — tersely!

  28. John P Miller says:

    Serioso, you’re rebuttal is weak, very weak. So, Gail left out the information about Soros that you provided. Maybe she did that intentionally, maybe not. You’re saying that unless she presents a balanced POV for whatever subject she undertakes, she’s not credible. That’s not how knowledge progresses. It progresses by people providing different information on the same topic, allowing those who want to be informed to decide which bits “make sense” to them. You refuse to debate. You are the loser because YOU refuse to provide useful information beyond the first bits (religion, age and their relevance to Soro’s history).

    Let me ask you: What is your general opinion of Soros? Do you have information that informs your opinion? If you have little besides what you provided, then I’m forced to side with Gail’s assessment because she’s provided a lot of (what I consider) damning information about Soros. You can debunk Gail’s information or provide additional, countervailing information. Refusing to do either tells me you really know little about Soros and your information about his Nazi background, while relevant to that point, doesn’t do much to rehabilitate Gail’s overall portrayal of the man.

    Which is it, Serioso? Do you have significant opposing facts about Soros and simply do not like to debate? Or, do you really have little meaningful information with which to debate? An honest answer would be appreciated.

  29. p.g.sharrow says:

    The commentators on this blog try to add to the knowledge and wisdom of the group,With a little bit of entertainment as well.
    “Serioso” adds NOTHING. Very poor effort from this want to be artist…pg

  30. Larry Ledwick says:

    Serioso, your position is that she cannot advocate for a position she must cover all bases? If you feel differently it is your job to inform us why your case has more weight than hers. She is not an impartial journalist, she is showing you why she believes what she believes.

    In this case, I also side with Gail. Your case would carry some weight if he showed / expressed some concern for those who unlike him did not dodge the ovens. He has never once showed any remorse for his actions or even more damaging any sympathy or empathy for those not so lucky.

    That is the signature behavior of a sociopath. He treated them as things – objects – random events. By his own words he was just playing a part that if he did not someone else would ( that is a rationalization). His actions since (destroying economies, with no regard of the consequences on others) is also the signature of a sociopath personality who is incapable of seeing others as humans just like him. He feels no guilt for the consequences of his actions, feels no concern for those injured by his actions, makes no effort to shield others from injury. All actions are to serve him and him alone.
    The only difference between him and Hitler or Stalin is he uses money to conquer and dominate others rather than bullets.

    The instability he is triggering in the world by his financial manipulation and agitation via proxies is every bit as dangerous as a phalanx of tanks charging across a boarder in eastern Europe 78 years ago.

  31. Serioso says:

    Oh dear! Am I now in a dispute with Larry Ledwick, who said (believe it or not)
    “The only difference between him {Soros] and Hitler or Stalin is he uses money to conquer and dominate others rather than bullets.”

    Jeez. What kind of a dialog is this? Common, Larry! Bullets kill people. Really. Hitler and Stalin murdered millions. Tens of millions, to be more accurate. And Soros? Maybe he hurt some people, financially. This comparison is not only absurd, but scarily obtuse. Where’s your head? Where’s your heart?

    Common people. Can we try for a little honesty, a little civility? A little balance, a little fairness? This has become something estranged from the ‘Musings’ website I am accustomed to.

  32. p.g.sharrow says:

    Madoff conned millions from 100s of rich people and got prison. Soros pauperized millions in dozens of countries and is the hero of the radical left because he funds their little pet projects. Stalin killed millions by stealing their food and letting them starve to death over the long Russian winter and was heroized by the educated western left. Got to break a few eggs to create the glorious Socialist future. George Soros is only continuing the wonderful works of Stalin and Mao and Hitler. Forward to the Socialist future of mankind.
    Thanks but NO THANKS! I do not want to be a slave of Social Progressives. ..pg

  33. John P Miller says:

    Serioso, you say, “Jeez. What kind of a dialog is this? Common, Larry! Bullets kill people. Really.”

    Uh, it’s no dialogue because you’re not offering anything substantive. People can judge whether Larry’s points are useful, your commenting on them assumes we’re stupid enough not to be able judge. Offer something substantive in defense of this wannabe dictator or I will conclude you don’t have much to offer and are just trolling.

  34. E.M.Smith says:

    @John P. Miller:

    Serioso has one mode, near as I can tell: Attack the messenger, ignore the message.

    Seems to enjoy the “Troll and whip up” phase the most. “Toss insult and disappear” second. Doesn’t like the work of defending points or countering opposing points, but insists others MUST do so (and read, in full, any NYT articles he cites…) before indulging in point-counter-point, but then usually just tosses another insult “to the person” and huffs away again. (Most likely why my insistence to address positions and not persons and avoid “insult to the person” is so hard for Serioso to do..)

    Occasionally you get a “Positioning talking point”, but not often enough and never enough depth to see why it matters. Do not expect a cogent point-by-point assessment of an opposing position. Do expect Talking Point List and Attack To The Person.

    @Serioso:

    Feel free to prove me wrong by actually addressing points and not attacking messengers. So far, I’m not seeing it. I know Soros’ bio. That does NOT forgive his obvious actions.

    @All:

    I’ll add something more substantive “later”, but right now I’m beat after about 48 hours on 6 hours sleep with 300 miles and a load of various ‘work tasks’ before I get to any fun stuff… So this is all I’ve got in me at the moment…

  35. Gail Combs says:

    A bit more now that the Progressives are throwing another temper tantrum. (Trump is moving so fast I can not keep up with my reading!)

    Muslims that promote Sharia law, La Raza who promotes the annexing of several states by Mexico and even Soros funded Black Lives Matters that promotes violence and cop killing are guilty of SEDITION. It will be interesting to see what Trump does with the open sedition by various groups in the USA.

    18 U.S. Code Chapter 115 – TREASON, SEDITION, AND SUBVERSIVE ACTIVITIES
    Especially 18 U.S. Code § 2384 – Seditious conspiracy

    If two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States, or to levy war against them, or to oppose by force the authority thereof, or by force to prevent, hinder, or delay the execution of any law of the United States, or by force to seize, take, or possess any property of the United States contrary to the authority thereof, they shall each be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both.

    From WIKI on Sedition:

    Sedition is overt conduct, such as speech and organization, that tends toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent (or resistance) to lawful authority. Sedition may include any commotion, though not aimed at direct and open violence against the laws. Seditious words in writing are seditious libel. A seditionist is one who engages in or promotes the interests of sedition.

    Typically, sedition is considered a subversive act….

    In 1940, the Alien Registration Act, or “Smith Act”, was passed, which made it a federal crime to advocate or to teach the desirability of overthrowing the United States Government, or to be a member of any organization which does the same. It was often used against Communist Party organizations. This Act was invoked in three major cases, one of which against the Socialist Worker’s Party in Minneapolis in 1941, resulting in 23 convictions, and again in what became known as the Great Sedition Trial of 1944 in which a number of pro-Nazi figures were indicted but released when the prosecution ended in a mistrial. Also, a series of trials of 140 leaders of the Communist Party USA also relied upon the terms of the “Smith Act”—beginning in 1949—and lasting until 1957. Although the U.S. Supreme Court upheld the convictions of 11 CPUSA leaders in 1951 in Dennis v. United States, that same Court reversed itself in 1957 in the case of Yates v. United States, by ruling that teaching an ideal, no matter how harmful it may seem, does not equal advocating or planning its implementation. Although unused since at least 1961, the “Smith Act” remains a Federal law.

    ….In 1981, Oscar López Rivera, a Puerto Rican Nationalist and Vietnam war veteran, was convicted and sentenced to 70 years in prison for seditious conspiracy and various other offenses. He was among the 16 Puerto Rican nationalists offered conditional clemency by U.S. President Bill Clinton in 1999, but he rejected the offer….

    Plotting For America To Be Under Sharia Law Is Sedition By Devvy Kidd shows why the author of the fllowing American Thinker article has swallowed the Progressive bull feces on the Right of Free Speech = Right to advocate the over throw of our laws and government.

    But the author does say Obummer has already paved the way for Trump…
    http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2010/04/sedition_is_constitutional.html

  36. Gail Combs says:

    IMMIGRATION
    AKA Soros pot mixing. (Ex-President Sarkozy’s racial interbreeding philosophy)
    He is behind the Rapugee invasion of the EU. How George Soros Singlehandedly Created The European Refugee Crisis – And Why

    Soros And MasterCard Join Forces To Profit From Immigration:
    The radical billionaire helped create the immigration crisis; now he wants to reap the rewards.

    Soros Funded Groups Attack President Trump’s Immigration Order with Protests and a Legal Battle

    So where does the USA stand?
    Frequently Requested Statistics on Immigrants and Immigration in the United States

    How many immigrants reside in the United States?

    The U.S. immigrant population stood at more than 42.4 million, or 13.3 percent, of the total U.S. population of 318.9 million in 2014, according to ACS data. Between 2013 and 2014, the foreign-born population increased by 1 million, or 2.5 percent.

    Immigrants in the United States and their U.S.-born children now number approximately 81 million people, or 26 percent of the overall U.S. population.

    This law was passed by the Democrats under Harry Truman…

    Section 212(f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952:

    Whenever the president finds that the entry of aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, the president may, by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or non-immigrant’s or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate….

    https://themarshallreport.wordpress.com/2015/12/09/trump-vindicated-again-islamic-immigrants-violate-immigration-and-nationality-act-of-1952/

    This act DOES NOT repeal the 1952 Act.
    http://library.uwb.edu/Static/USimmigration/1990_immigration_and_nationality_act.html

  37. Gail Combs says:

    First Muslims — Why banning makes sense:
    Migration as Jihad

    The Islamic Destruction of Heritage and Culture

    During the last thirty days, there were 164 Islamic attacks in 27 countries, in which 1196 people were killed and 1621 injured.
    Funny how the urinalists in the Yellow Stream Media (YSM) NEVER EVER mention this.

    A patriotic news media would be supporting President Trump and blaring this carnage loudly while saying that this is what President Trump is protecting us from.

    Luckily only 6% of Americans actually believe the YSM, and another 7% somewhat believe the YSM leaving 87% of Americans aware of the fact that the YSM spews bull feces.

    So what do American Muslims believe?
    You’ll Be SHOCKED By How Many American Muslims WANT Sharia Law!!!

    …More than half (51%) of U.S. Muslims polled also believe either that they should have the choice of American or shariah courts, or that they should have their own tribunals to apply shariah. Only 39% of those polled said that Muslims in the U.S. should be subject to American courts

    These notions were powerfully rejected by the broader population according to the Center’s earlier national survey. It found by a margin of 92%-2% that Muslims should be subject to the same courts as other citizens, rather than have their own courts and tribunals here in the U.S.

    Even more troubling, is the fact that nearly a quarter of the Muslims polled believed that, “It is legitimate to use violence to punish those who give offense to Islam by, for example, portraying the prophet Mohammed.”

    By contrast, the broader survey found that a 63% majority of those sampled said that “the freedom to engage in expression that offends Muslims or anybody else is guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution and cannot be restricted.”

    So much for assimilating into our culture. It is pretty darn obvious they want to TAKE OVER not assimilate and this why a ban is ligit.

    Too bad our present leaders have their head wedged firmly where the sun don’t shine.

  38. Gail Combs says:

    Illegal immigrants from Mexico. (No not all but some. I have met some of them and they acknowledged they are using the democrats to take over the USA. )

    The Progressives call Trump a ‘Hitler’ while they align with a group that is the outgrowth of paid Nazi propaganda.
    The Nazi Roots of La Raza

    …Mexican nationalists were promised the territory of the American Southwest as a reward, if Mexico would join with the Germans in waging war against the US…
    The term “La Raza” (The Race) was popularized by the book by Jose Vasconcelos, La Raza Cosmica (The Cosmic Race). La Raza Cosmica was a major source of inspiration for the Chicano movement, which began in the late 1960’s…

    Vasconcelos was identified as a paid Nazi propagandist and a member of the Nazi fifth column in Mexico by Life Magazine in their June 10, 1940 issue. He published and edited the journal, “Timon” (Rudder) in the early 1940’s, which was a propaganda organ for Nazism in Mexico….

    …the National Council of La Raza succeeded in raking in over $15.2 million in federal grants last year alone, of which $7.9 million was in U.S. Department of Education grants for Charter Schools, and undisclosed amounts were for get-out-the-vote efforts supporting La Raza political positions…

    We are a bronze people with a bronze culture. Before the world, before all of North America, before all our brothers in the bronze continent, we are a nation, we are a union of free pueblos, we are Aztlan. For La Raza todo. Fuera de La Raza nada.”

    That closing two-sentence motto is chilling to everyone who values equal rights for all. It says: “For The Race everything. Outside The Race, nothing.”
    http://humanevents.com/2006/04/07/emexclusive-emthe-truth-about-la-raza/

    What is Aztlan, Raza, and MEChA?

    The official national symbol of MEChA is an eagle holding a machete-like weapon and a stick of dynamite.

    …MEChA is an Hispanic separatist organization that encourages anti-American activities and civil disobedience. The radical members of MEChA who refer to themselves as “Mechistas,” romanticize Mexican claims to the “lost Territories” of the Southwestern United States — a Chicano country called Aztlan. In its national constitution, MEChA calls for self-determination by its members to liberate Aztlan….The MEChA Clubs on each of the Santa Barbara high school campuses are not the only ones. MEChA groups exist on 90 percent of the public high school, college and university campuses in the Southwestern United States.

    WHAT IS RAZA

    “La Raza” (The Race) is a broad term which refers to those whose ancestry is indigenous to the area of Mexico (or “Aztlan”). MEChA members refer to themselves as “La Raza” or “Raza,” but the term itself is used to indicate camaraderie among those in different organizations with the same objectives. There are a number of organizations who consider themselves to be La Raza.

    The most visible of these groups are MEChA, The Brown Berets de Aztlan, OLA (Organization for the Liberation of Aztlan), La Raza Unida Party, and the “Nation of Aztlan” to name a few. Although the activism of these organizations vary from somewhat radical to extremely radical, they share the same objectives, the “liberation of Aztlan.”

    ….Apparently, these “Raza” cults are composed of people who unabashedly hate the United States and often support other groups and leaders who also hate America. Raza’s hatred of America is so intense, that most make bedfellows to anyone else who also hates America, like dictator Fidel Castro; murderer of his own people Sadam Hussain; and the women hating Taliban — and of course they sympathize with all Islamic Terrorists over the Israel/Palestine issue. Raza cults are the loudest and most insistent element of the immigration lobby in California. Inebriated with a sense of righteous victimhood, and entranced by myths of a heroic racial past, devotees of the Aztlan cults are rapidly extending their influence within California’s Hispanic population, particularly among students in the university system.

    Plan de Aztlan: The Mexican Government-backed Plot to Conquer Parts of the US
    In 1969, the radical leftist group Movimiento Estudiantil Chicano de Aztlan (MEChA) produced a document titled “Spiritual Plan of Aztlan,” a document which now serves as a manifesto comparable in influence over many Mexican-Americans to the brutal hold that Mein Kampf held over the German people during Hitler’s disastrous rise to misplaced power.

    MEChA’s fusionist manifesto encourages Mexican-Americans to betray the United States government by reclaiming “the land of their birth” and bringing the seven Southwestern states into the fold of the Mexican government.

    I was friends with some of the MEChA fusionists at Yale, and I have to say that what they believe now is even scarier than what the original drafters of the separatist manifesto believed and followed back during the 1960s.

    Many of MEChA’s heads today are fully convinced that the United States needs to be returned to its “indigenous roots,” a process by which the Supreme Court is superseded by a newly-appointed tribal council with the power to undo the decisions of the highest court of the Republic and the people.

    In MEChA’s new Amerika, tribal blood will be more important than legal qualifications, merit, and previous accomplishments, and anyone who doesn’t toe the line will be deemed a traitor, as I was….

    San Jose Police Chief Who Admits ALLOWING ATTACKS on Trump Supporters is Affiliated With La Raza

  39. philjourdan says:

    @Serioso – sorry, Gail is debating the facts. You are interjecting non sequiturs. Soros’ religion has nothing to do with his actions. Lenin was born a Jew. Did that make him a Jew when he decided to tyrannize a nation? Hardly. It is an irrelevant trivia answer.

    You cannot respond to Gail’s points because there is no defense of the points! It has nothing to do with any altruistic motive on your part. It has to do with the fact she just cooked your goose and you have no response.

    Best to learn the facts, then learn how to debate. Then come back when you have.

  40. Jeff says:

    Something that is not often mentioned with regard to the latest invasion of Europe, (aided and abetted by our favourite Nazi and “saviour” fronting for the globalists) is Coudenhove-Kalergi, his role in the formation of the EU, and the intended blending of the peoples and races therein with other, foreign ones. It appears that Merkel is “all in” with immigration from “troubled” countries; no surprise, as she is one of the many Soros puppets here in Europe. One wonders if “Sorioso” is as well.

    In 2011 Merkel won the European award from the Coudenhove-Kalergi foundation, which seeks to meld all races into one (sort of a reversal of the Tower of Babel; with likely equally disastrous results). This is detailed in a number of places, a quick search revealed the two following links (OK, a wee bit more to the edge than I usually go, but these were at the top of the list, and other links, mostly in German, confirm them) http://www.infowars.com/the-kalergi-plan/
    and https://fellowshipoftheminds.com/2015/11/12/europes-refugee-crisis-and-the-kalergi-plan-for-white-genocide/
    “One Planet, One People, Please” be damned. The only place that thought belongs is on the bumpers of ancient Yuppie(‘s) Volvos. It’s useless anywhere else.

    Should the Soros fan return, I can say I’ve lived through 30+ years of the desuetude of Kalifornistan, its gender-mainstreaming and now race mainstreaming, and 33+ years here in Germany, watching “The Wall” fall down in the wrong direction and the Ossies (Merkel among them) taking over from the Wessies, when the original intent was the other way ‘round. The market street of the town I live in is becoming a middle-eastern bazaar, with German Mom-and-Pop (Tante Emma) shops disappearing only to be replaced by kebap shops, fruit stands, smoke-filled cellphone/news shops (with Arabic papers, natch), and the occasional hookah-bar, complete with knife fights. So much for the “Saviour” from the Globalist cabal.

    The beautiful countryside is nowhere to flee, as it’s being covered by windmills in often clearcut areas, and the drone and shadow-strobe are such that one wouldn’t dare live there anyway.

    “Mutti” claims to have slapped down Trump, or so the MSM spew, and “perhaps China would be a better trade partner to Germany”. Hmmm. Perhaps Russia, who supply a great (and irreplaceable portion of our gas, might have some thoughts about that. We’re headed for no nukes, there is no real power distribution network from the windy, non-industrial (liberal-infested) North, to the (conservative) industrial, innovative, productive South, home of Mercedes, Porsche, Audi, and BMW.

    And any such power link is a decade away at the earliest. Ironically, the Greens, who are pushing wind power, are against the power distribution. Seems to me they want to de-industrialize and destroy Germany and Europe. The Globalist oligarchs, Georgi-Boy amongst them, are pleased, even though they have to “tune their message” (as murmured at Davos).

    The invading hordes, for that is indeed what they are, have few to no marketable skills; the many natives unemployed here in Germany eventually slide down the jobs ladder only to end up competing with them for what few manual labor/unskilled jobs exist. Yet the liberals are welcoming them in with open arms, perhaps waiting to “submit” to “the religion of peace”.

    Perfect time for Soros and his cronies to short the Euros and walk away “winners” yet again.
    Just wait ‘til they find out what they’ve “won” in Eternity…
    (/rant).

  41. LG says:

    In Case Anyone Would Be Interested:
    Issue an International Arrest Warrant for George Soros

    Created by A.B. on January 21, 2017

    George Soros is a menace to the free world and stands in the way of making America great again. He is guilty of the following crimes:

    1) Financially supports open sedition in major American cities resulting in millions of dollars of property damage as well as loss of life.

    2) Attempts to manipulate democratic elections by donating millions of dollars to his preferred candidates.

    3) Seeks to curtail American sovereignty. In his own words: “The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States … Changing [the] attitude and policies of the United States remains my top priority.”

    4) Is a currency manipulator. Soros initiated a British financial crisis by dumping 10 billion sterling, forcing the devaluation of the currency and gaining a billion-dollar profit.
    Criminal Justice Reform

  42. philjourdan says:

    @LG – Re: Issue an International Arrest Warrant for George Soros

    Why? Russia has one already. We just honor it as long as they take the death penalty off the table (that is how it works, right?)

  43. omanuel says:

    Gail, I would appreciate your response to my concern that a secret Trump-Putin alliance may now try to replace the now discredited, tyrannical one-world alliance of:

    1. The US Democratic Party,

    2. Former Vice-President Al Gore,

    3. The UN (United Nations) and UN”s IPCC,

    4. The UNAS (United National Academy of Sciences), including

    5. The Scandavian National Academies of Sciences that handed out fake Nobel and Crafoord Prized for phony scientific evidence in support of

    _ a.) AGW: Anthropologic Global Warming
    _ b.) SNM: Standard Nuclear Model
    _ c.) SSM: Standard Solar Model
    _ d.) BBC: “Big Bang Cosmology”

    Since the US and USSR National Academies of Sciences both had scientists who must have known the falseness of this charade, but neither spoke out, I will be skeptical of Trump until he publicly asks the US NAS for an explanation of their role in deceiving the public.

  44. E.M.Smith says:

    I doubt there is any secret Trump – Putin alliance. At best you might get ‘coopetition’ at arms length. Both these guys know they run major power structures and can’t risk being duped or misled by the other.

  45. Gail Combs says:

    I doubt it Oliver.

    Both are guys who are concerned with THEIR countries. Both want nothing to do with a Communist world totalitarian government.

    Where you will see cooperation between them is in taking down ISIS and hopefully Soros and the nasty machine behind him. All of which are connected.

  46. omanuel says:

    Thanks, Chiefio and Gail.

    Could members of the US and USSR National Academies of Sciences be too stupid to see the logical error in Dr. Carl von Weizsacker’s 1935 calculation of “nuclear binding energy” from a sloping base line?

    That is difficult to believe, despite the obvious reluctance of members of the US & USSR NAS to publicly endorse or deny published evidence that neutron repulsion powers the Sun and the cosmos. Why?

  47. omanuel says:

    Here is the autobiography of the scientist who recognized the logical error in Weizsacker’s concept of nuclear binding energy on 13 JUN 1936.

  48. omanuel says:

    Kuroda was a 19-year old student when he recognized Weizsacker’s error on 13 JUN 1936 and a 28-year old faculty member when sent to examine the remains of Hiroshima’s destruction on 6 AUG 1945.

    I cannot believe scientists in the US and Russian NAS are unable to see Weizsacker’s error in logic, illustrated so clearly by comparing the left and right sides of Fig 1 in the tribute to Paul Kazuo Kuroda: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10640850/TRIBUTE_TO_KURODA.pdf

  49. E.M.Smith says:

    @Omanuel:

    In any field connected to highly effective weapons, and especially anything nuclear, do not expect the truth about any technology to be public. What will be published is the story most likely to cause your adversaries to spend too much time and money chasing phantoms.

    Once that is internalized, much of the mystery of broken science is much more clear…

    One example: About 1970? a Popular Science issue had a “Gee Neat!” article about a dentist who invented a new way to make airplanes and we would all have them soon. I remember it clearly as I was very interested in aviation then, and asked my Dentist about it. Plastic reinforced resin and such. Only problem was it didn’t show up on radar well at all… Then never heard of it again. About 2000? when looking into the history of stealth aircraft, saw a reference to the work starting from a private airplane built by… a Dentist… So at least 30 years they kept it secret. Publicly saying things like you needed strong metals to make military airplanes…

    Another example: I read a jet engine engineering text at U.C. in the ’70s that had a layout for a probable path to design a hypersonic engine. The theory was sound. The materials science sound. In the 80s we designed and flew a hypersonic airframe (the shuttle). Yet there are no hypersonic airplanes flying today… Too hard. Too hot. Can’t do it. Yet a geologist in So. Cal. was giving a talk about his geo sensors picking up rumbles that were confounding his earthquake studies. They seemed to move from sensor to sensor at hypersonic rates. A line drawn through them would seem to originate in Nevada and track out over the ocean, then a few hours later go the other way. He was visited by some nice men with suits and then started saying that was just all wrong, nothing to see here, my bad…

    So my take on it is that we have had hypersonic aircraft since about 1980 and fly them regularly. BUT you will not see that stated in public. There you will see official pronouncements that the latest $40 Billion attempt blew up on the test flight or that the needed materials just don’t exist or…

    Aerospike engines are not that hard to make, and we already know we have the airframe skill for it.

    So I’d let go of the fixation on “why are they so wrong?”.
    I’d guess it is more like “Who has told them to lie?”.
    And then “I wonder how well it pays?”

  50. Larry Ledwick says:

    There was much discussion of a successor aircraft to the SR-71 commonly called Aurora about the time the SR-71 was retired in 1990’s. Public discussion of hypersonic glide weapons and Lockeed talking about an “on paper” design called the SR-72 suggest they are working on mainstreaming something that they have in limited production / use.

    http://www.fighter-planes.com/info/aurora.htm

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_SR-72

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