Ways The Sun & Electric Space Weather Change Climate

An interesting video ( 40 minutes) on ways that solar variation and electric currents in space directly change weather (and thus climate) on Earth. A bit tedious at some times, but very engaging at others. Details some interesting mechanisms by which solar weather directly does things like move the location of the Jet Stream and the atmospheric rotating “cells” that determine who gets drought.

Has nice graphics in it too.

The reference to atmospheric currents was interesting. 10 to 12 Amps per m^2 of air? Really? Gotta be a way to harvest that ;-)

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About E.M.Smith

A technical managerial sort interested in things from Stonehenge to computer science. My present "hot buttons' are the mythology of Climate Change and ancient metrology; but things change...
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24 Responses to Ways The Sun & Electric Space Weather Change Climate

  1. A C Osborn says:

    The Climate Scientists found exactly what they wanted to find, something to blame with a strong Human connection.

  2. Larry Ledwick says:

    Finally! I have been ranting about the missing energy input for years. You see pictures of the effects of the solar storms on the earths magnetic field – how it bulges and gets flattened and rings as it gets slammed by the sun’s output of energy. That moving magnetic field absolutely must induce huge currents in the earth’s atmosphere and the body of the earth. You absolutely must have huge ohmic heating, and electrical eddy current heating. (note we melt steel with these effects, it is not trivial)

    Same goes with the energy delivered by high energy particles. That energy must go some where.

    I got into it with Lief once on WUWT and he completely dismissed all those missing energy inputs.

    I know it cannot be trivial. When you transport highly radioactive material you have to water cool the storage casts as they heat due to the energy dissipated in the shielding from the radiation emitted by the radioactive material. Same with used fuel rods, they have to be water cooled in a storage pool. If you cut off the cooling water pumps, the pools will heat to the point of boiling.

    Granted the solar radiation input (cosmic ray modulation, xray emissions, high energy particles) is far more diffuse but it is being absorbed over a huge volume of atmosphere or body of the earth.

    Even radio frequency energy will heat some portions of the earth/atmosphere system.

  3. E.M.Smith says:

    @Larry L:

    Remember “Diathermy”? Using radio waves to warm up your tissues…

  4. p.g.sharrow says:

    High and low pressure areas that spin across the face of the planet may well be caused by EMF effects that push and pull at the earth’s atmosphere causing heating under compression and cooling under stretching, the surface being warmed or cooled by the atmosphere above rather then the surface being the main culprit. Something that I have wondered over for the last 60 years…pg

  5. Larry Ledwick says:

    It would be very interesting to see a table of numbers for top of atmosphere and surface values of the various electromagnetic spectrum components emitted by the sun (xray, high energy particles, RF {microwave, short wave etc.}, and magnetic field spectrum)

    The presumption that what ever the difference in their strength the unaccounted for energy can be presumed to have been absorbed and turned into heat somewhere in its path from top of atmosphere to the surface. In the case of magnetic even the intensity at the surface would not be the limit as much of it would couple deep into the earth as magnetic resonance on any atoms/molecules which have a magnetic pole response. It could penetrate deep enough to directly magnetically stir/excite components of the crust below the curie point temperature.

    For example what is the total power radiated by sky glow? Half of that energy ends up being absorbed in the atmosphere.

  6. p.g.sharrow says:

    Everything has a Electrical component, even gravity exhibits electrical effects.. pg

  7. ossqss says:

    Soooo, how do local household networks (2.4 and 5 Ghz), cell, 1,2, 3 , 4, and 5 G cell, satellite, BT, radar (land and plane based), and on and on , impact things? Just sayin, that stuff didn’t exist till a few10s of years back.

    Who calculates that stuff?

  8. Alexander MCCLINTOCK says:

    If you missed the 3 minutes following 27m30s, go back and listen – it should cause a stir!
    Thanks EM very thought provoking.

  9. cdquarles says:

    @EM, I do remember diathermy. The most efficient of these used microwaves, if they used EMR. Some used ultrasound.

  10. cdquarles says:

    @Larry, think oxygen (paramagnetic) and iron (ferromagnetic) just to think of two chemical elements on Earth. That’s just the beginning. Only some chemicals are inherently diamagnetic (not subject to magnetic fields at all, if I am remembering correctly).

  11. Power Grab says:

    Re: “Soooo, how do local household networks (2.4 and 5 Ghz), cell, 1,2, 3 , 4, and 5 G cell, satellite, BT, radar (land and plane based), and on and on , impact things? Just sayin, that stuff didn’t exist till a few10s of years back.”

    Might have a drying effect. I’ve seen some say that. After I saw someone’s comment to that effect, I turned off all the WIFI stuff around the head of my bed. It made my morning dry eyes stop. :-)

    Also, as I watch storm systems come into and pass through my area, they tend to split as they approach my city, then re-join after they pass by. No, we don’t have one of those big NWS radars in my town. Just tens of thousands of people with multiple devices that interact with WIFI and the cell system. I visualize something like an EMF dome over the city and its environs.

    This is something I think about a lot.

    I can’t help but wonder if the push to abandon fossil fuels for only solar and wind power (even if it could supply the amount of energy to which we are accustomed–which I don’t believe it can) would have its worst effect in the drying of the atmosphere.

    Since water vapor is a much more powerful warming agent in the atmosphere, wouldn’t the reduction of it cause crops to thrive less? The lack of water and CO2 and the (probably) lower temperature would all have an ill effect on plant life.

    They say we are overdue for another ice age. What if we have postponed it due to the use of fossil fuels to both warm and humidify the atmosphere?

    Here’s an angle I haven’t even read anything about: What if the plethora of electrical systems (and their being grounded) have played a part in evening out the electrical nature of at least the surface of the planet? It appears to me that a balanced, evenly running electrical system is much more stable and beneficial than one that gets interrupted…which can lead to “charge equalization events” such as lightning?

  12. E.M.Smith says:

    @PowerGrab:

    I don’t know how common it is outside of Florida (not seen it in California, and much of my path back and forth is desert far from anything…) BUT, in Florida I’ve noticed the tall metal power towers having big lightning rods on them. There was a “minor hill” near where I lived and pretty much every storm you could go out and watch the lightning stroking the towers at the top of the hill…

    I have to think that a large grid of conductors with points on top (enhances electron emission to start the strike; or helps bleed off the ground charge without a strike) will have changed the average surface to sky voltage / potential.

    Now make that a few square miles of 50 to 100 story sky scrapers in places like NYC, Chicago, …

  13. Larry Ledwick says:

    Interesting collection of video clips here on global cooling.

    https://www.disclose.tv/warning-400-year-long-ice-age-incoming-as-soon-as-2020-353876

  14. Larry Ledwick says:

    Related to the coming cooling videos above, some major media confirmation of some of their comments.

    https://www.foxnews.com/science/nasa-warns-long-cold-winter-could-hit-space-in-months-bringing-record-low-temperatures

    “Right now, it is very low indeed,” Mlynczak told the site.

    “SABER is currently measuring 33 billion Watts of infrared power from NO. That’s 10 times smaller than we see during more active phases of the solar cycle.”

    He added: “The thermosphere always cools off during Solar Minimum. It’s one of the most important ways the solar cycle affects our planet.

    “We’re not there quite yet,” he said, “but it could happen in a matter of months.”

    https://spaceweatherarchive.com/2018/10/26/a-new-space-weather-metric/

  15. Power Grab says:

    @ EM re:

    “I don’t know how common it is outside of Florida (not seen it in California, and much of my path back and forth is desert far from anything…) BUT, in Florida I’ve noticed the tall metal power towers having big lightning rods on them. There was a “minor hill” near where I lived and pretty much every storm you could go out and watch the lightning stroking the towers at the top of the hill…”

    I have a friend who earned a degree in meteorology not many years ago. He spent some time in Florida working on a lightning research project. He is now a TV weatherman in Florida. (Living’ the dream!)

    I should ask him about what makes Florida such a good place to do lightning research.

  16. H.R. says:

    @powergrab – Florida is the lightning capital of the US. It has 17 of the top 30 cities for lightning strikes. If you want to study lightning then Florida is the place to be.

  17. Power Grab says:

    @ HR: Thanks!

  18. cdquarles says:

    Yep. FL’s neighboring states see quite a bit of lightning, too. I’ve had lightning strike within 500 feet of me a few times. A couple of those were within 100 feet. hair raising, it was. :p Tall buildings have lightning rods. The trees get hit often, especially those on the ridges nearby. The resulting fires may or may not be a big problem.

  19. p.g.sharrow says:

    The Earth’s atmosphere is a giant capacitor, Positive below and negative above. The charge stress is about 300volts per meter/yard in calm, dry air, is the result of gravity warpage of the atomic dielectric or the centering of the atom nucleus within it’s electron shell. When disturbance of the stress layering is sufficient a cascade “short” to ground takes place from positive to negative through the atmospheric capacitive dielectric. Lightning is the result of a massive electrical short discharge.
    If gravity causes electrostatic charge warpage, does electrostatic charge warpage cause gravity?
    If changes in mater in motion cause EMF changes , does EMF changes cause changes of mater in motion. Inertia/mass is the resistance to changes in motion, or accelerations, and accelerations cause EMF changes. Therefore is Mass/inertia and gravity not an electrical based phenomena?…pg

  20. llanfar says:

    @cdquarles I remember quite well being a kid living in Tampa back in the early 70’s. There was an approaching thunderstorm and a few of us decided to do an Indian Dance around a palm tree to summon lightning…

    It wasn’t the noise so much as the sudden tingling all over when the bolt struck. I probably broke Olympic records running home…

    Ever since, I’ve loved all forms of weather.

  21. E.M.Smith says:

    I’d regularly run up and down highway 27 outside Orlando. One day, making the run with the Florida Friend, we got to watch several Big Fat Lightning Bolts hit the slight hills each side of the road… Maybe 100 to 200 yards away.. The sound was surprisingly load, even inside a closed car.

    I was very glad the road was graded a bit low compared to the surroundings…

    I speculated a bit about the effect of a “near miss or hit” of lightning on a steel box, and on the electronics managing his engine. I was glad my old Banana Boat had mechanical points…

    As to “why”? I can only speculate it is the very high frequency of convective storms. Lots of warm water, so lots of convection, so lots of “thunder storms” so lots of lightning.

    You get more lightning the closer to the equator and water… though it looks like there might be a secondary node just each side of the equator. Variations in land % make it a bit hard to know from looking at a map:

  22. llanfar says:

    Scott Adams talks to Dr. Shiva about climate change https://youtu.be/BRkSyPi_dLM

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