Mechanical Grape Harvester Day!

Today we are celebrating National Mechanical Grape Harvester Day! (AKA Cesar Chavez Day).

For anyone who might not know, especially those living in other countries where our peculiar political holidays might not have currency, Cesar Chavez is that brave soul who through petty bickering, targeted destruction of individual farmers, and great political theatre ( mostly in the form of posed for TV “marches” and a “grape boycott”) single handedly brought about the invention of the Mechanical Grape Harvester and the destruction of jobs for hundreds of thousands of Hispanic farm workers.

Obama recognized this great contribution in 2014 when he declared the Politically Correct Token Hispanic Holiday in the name of Cesar Chavez.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesar_Chavez_Day

Cesar Chavez Day is a federal commemorative holiday in the U.S. by proclamation of President Obama in 2014. On March 31 of each year, it celebrates the birth and legacy of the civil rights and labor movement activist Cesar Chavez.

Yes, we owe this great day to Our Dear Leader Obama’s great sensibility to all things exploitable for “the cause”.

Cesar Chavez lead a great movement to abuse farmers, cause a ruckus, and generally attempt to repeal the law of supply and demand in Farm Labor. He succeeded at the first two, but nobody bats 1000 and “2 out of 3 ain’t bad”… Forming and organizing the United Farm Workers Union that at the peak had a membership of about 80,000.

http://articles.latimes.com/2002/jun/10/local/me-laufw10

UFW Member Total Is Questioned
Labor: The union says its accuser is basing the accusation on incorrect set of numbers.
June 10, 2002|FRED ALVAREZ | TIMES STAFF WRITER
[…]
Rob Roy, general counsel for the Ventura County Agricultural Assn., has long accused the union of inflating its numbers, but he now believes he has proof in the form of an amended federal document in which the UFW lowers its membership estimates by nearly 80%.

From 1995 to 1999, the UFW claimed membership of 26,000 on reports filed annually with the U.S. Department of Labor. The union upped that figure to 27,000 in 2000. But last month, in response to an inquiry by the Labor Department, the union revised its membership to 5,945, according to the amended report.

“Here they are portraying themselves as the voice of California farm workers, and yet they represent less than 1%,” said Roy, who fired off a letter in February prompting the Labor Department probe.

However, union officials say the lower number represents only those laborers working under UFW contract at the end of the year, and not the total number of members who work under contract on a seasonal basis at least one day during the year.

Once a formidable national presence, with upward of 80,000 members at its peak in 1973,
the union had suffered decades of declining membership and was barely at 20,000 members when Chavez died 20 years later.

Even at the peak, it had not signed up huge swathes of farm workers, so the total number of grape pickers put out of work when the mechanical harvester made a debut will be much higher than the 75,000 or so UFW ex-members.

But that article is old, the present number per Union Facts shows a great resurgence from that 5k low, all the way to 8k!

https://www.unionfacts.com/union/United_Farm_Workers

Members
8,274

Or about the size of a medium large high school. The Wiki, interesting to note, sees things differently:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Farm_Workers

They have this interesting image of membership over time:

UFW Membership, 2000 to 2013 from a 6k start to a 10k spike in 2012

UFW Membership, 2000 to 2013 from a 6k start to a 10k spike in 2012

Odd that they would start long long after the Glory Days of 10 Times more membership, and then cut it off 3 years ago just at a momentary blip, prior to the return to this same baseline value of 6,000 to 8,000 members. But hey, sometimes a Moral Truth ™ needs a little help to be seen, cluttered and obscured by rude facts.

But returning to the important central celebration of today, what is a Mechanical Grape Harvester?

Well, in the “Old Days” when I was a kid growing up in a rural farm town, grapes were all picked by hand. There was an annual flood of hundreds of thousands of Mexican Bracero farm workers, glad to have Yankee wages and a low cost home in Mexico at the end of the season. Sort of a ‘win win’ for them, and for the farmers who had an eager and effective workforce that was low enough cost to make the farm operation profitable. Local merchants, as in my Old Farm Town, also benefited from the seasonal influx of workers, and governments did not have a massive welfare burden during the off season.

The only ones who lost were the White Trash farm workers. We had a seasonal influx of largely White Farm Workers along with the Braceros. These were seen in The Grapes Of Wrath (book and movie) and I grew up meeting the tail end of that era. Folks in old Packard and Hudson automobiles with worn tires. Usually living out of their car, camping next to it. Mom, Dad, and a couple of kids. I remember one Dad with a flat tire, and no money, trying to figure out how to make things work out. Farm work was winding down here, and he could not get to there to get the next job. Food for the kids and no tire, so no more money, or get the tire and everyone goes hungry until next payday.

The local gas station on the highway sold him a used (i.e. ALMOST worn out tire but good for another few hundred miles) for nearly nothing and he installed it – in those days folks knew how to put a tire on a rim without machines. Balance? No, not balanced. “Smooth ride” was not a requirement and over 55 MPH was rare. I know the story as my Dad “visited” and “shared lunch”. It wasn’t “charity” as they didn’t want “charity”, just “brought something while we work on the tire”… Never mind that what we brought was far more than they could ‘contribute’ to the ‘pot luck’. Dad, IIRC, was giving the guy a ride to / from the gas station with the tire. Folks did that then. Helped each other. I suspect Dad may have fronted the money for the tire, but as a kid you don’t pay close attention to those things. I know Dad talked to his friend at the gas station out of earshot of the rest of us…

My Little Farm Town even built the Migrant Labor Camp out by the river. A collection of cinder block sheds with tin roofs, a cement table in the middle IIRC, and cinder block raised benches along the walls so you were off the ground when sleeping. Each with a single water faucet outside next to it and a fire pit / BBQ thing. A single central building had bathrooms and showers. EVERYONE was happy with this. A major improvement in sanitation and in convenience. Real running water and toilets, and even the luxury of a shower. Migrants had a roof and place to stay, even a playground for the kids. Farmers had a reliable location to find workers, and a happier and cleaner workforce. A grocery store about a half mile away got more business and the workers had easy access to the basics.

Today that would be ridiculed has horrid. No heaters (who needs them in summer / fall during labor season when 90 F is more common?) and no A/C (but we didn’t have air conditioning in our house until I was about 10? years old). The showers, IIRC, were originally cold; but I refer you again to the fact this was populated when “cold was desired” and during summer, cold water was about 70 F anyway.

I got my first series of vaccinations at the Farm Labor Camp. The County set up vaccination clinics and ours was there. Anyone from town (all of about 3 miles from the river) was invited to get free vaccinations. Dad loaded up the whole family and off we went. Queuing up with the White Trash and Mexicans all in one place, the Migrant Farm Labor Camp. We were all poor and nobody seemed to notice.

During summers, we kids would ride our bikes out to the river. After a swim, we would stop at the Farm Labor Camp to play. Everybody was just having a good time. We were all too poor to know were were supposed to be unhappy and oppressed. During early spring and sometimes late fall, the camp would be empty (or nearly so) and we would play in one of the ‘sheds’ or ‘shelters’. It is where I first imagined having “my own house”. Just me in my little space. Since then I’ve often wondered how many families started their first home dream there, and how many moved up and out from there. I know some did, since the best workers were sometimes hired on as year-round farm hands and “moved in to town”. Eventually we ran out of White Trash to absorb and uplift and the camp became more nearly all Mexicans. BTW, nobody seemed to care about the transition. The local park had regular Mexican Baile night (Dance Night) in a hall there. I remember visiting and learning how to “dance Mexican”. My best buddy growing up was a Mexican Kid. His family having a house “in town” and Papa working for the Rail Road maintaining track. That’s where I first learned Spanish.

Then came Cesar Chavez. Lucky for me, I was grown up and ready to leave town for college then. He taught folks how to feel oppressed and unhappy and how to turn opportunity to earn into an opportunity to hurt your employer. There was great strife brought to Farm Country. I remember that time particularly well as that was when the Mechanical Picker starting being important. First was the Tomato Harvester. I have no idea how many hundreds of thousands were put of work with it. Tomato planting took off and lots of hand picked vegetable land was converted to tomatoes. The few who worked the pickers made more money, but most were out of work and went back to Mexico. I worked with one inventor trying to invent a mechanical pumpkin harvester; this after spending a few days harvesting pumpkins by hand… You use a single tine fork to toss the “punkin” into a truck. Single tine so it can rotate to heavy side down and torque does not fight you. I don’t know if he ever succeed, but someone did as a web search shows they exist now.

That effort to make mechanical pumpkin harvester was a direct result of Cesar Chavez too. Locals could see what was happening to the Grape Farmers and figured they were likely the next target for destruction, so got started finding a fix. Was it because they were greedy evil bastards? Well, no. I knew these folks. Honest and hard working family farmers. Just trying to make enough money to keep farming and raise a family. They just didn’t want labor costs to ruin them. None of them what you would call “rich”. (That was the Rice Farmers with thousands of acres already mechanized. One guy, we called him Hindu Dean – don’t know his real name, but he was a regular at our restaurant – was about 75 and looked dirt poor, but paid more in truck registrations each year than most folks earned).

And that’s the whole problem. There is a global market in commodities. Raise cost to produce too high, it becomes cheaper to ship produce in from somewhere with low labor cost. The end result of 40 years of “organizing” farm labor in California is that in one of THE richest agricultural regions of the world, my local grocer has produce imported from Mexico or mechanically harvested produce from California. We no longer have a Mexican Migrant Worker program, as the jobs moved to Mexico. Those products that survived here were the ones with low labor costs or where mechanization was achieved in time. The Almond Shaker was one of my favorites. Grabs the tree by the trunk and just shakes the almonds off. Great fun to watch.

But today is Grape Harvester Day. That one was very hard. Traditionally each grape cluster is cut with a short knife from the stem and placed in a box. The boxes carried by hand to a bin, then the bins taken to the crusher (juice or wine) or the packing shed (table grapes). If handed too roughly, the grape doesn’t make it to the end of the line. Only the ripe clusters were picked and you would pick a field several times.

Well, as with all things mechanically harvested, part of the work goes into making varieties that ripen “all at once”. This is one of the Big Problems with commercial seed production today. Varieties best in a home garden are often heirlooms that produce a little each week over a long growing season (so you don’t need to preserve as much). Varieties best in a mechanical farm are the ones that ripen as close to ‘all the same day’ as possible so one pass with the crew and machine and then you plough under and plant something else. (Or for grapes, wait for next season and get on with the wine making).

The other work goes into things like ways to prune the plant for easier mechanical picking, how to separate leaves, twigs, and bugs from the stream of picked fruit, how to prevent breakage of fruit, etc. etc. It takes a while, but eventually all those bits get worked out. Then you fire the pickers.

These folks are just one of several mechanical grape harvester makers. It is no accident they are located in Fresno California, where Cesar Chavez “organized” the grape pickers of the California valleys:

http://aghinc.com/

AGH is the leading manufacturer of grape harvesters and related equipment in the Western Hemisphere. Our Spectrum and Quantum grape harvesters accept a variety of picking mechanisms so, nearly all vineyard terrains, trellis types and grape varieties can be gently and effectively harvested.

AGH is dedicated to providing today’s grape growers and custom grape harvesters with top quality and productive equipment they need to compete in our demanding industry.

AGH is located in Fresno, CA. Please call us at 800.786.4232.

How many thousands, or hundreds of thousands, of Mexican Farm Workers were sent packing back to Mexico thanks to Cesar Chavez? I doubt we will ever know, but the number is huge. Thanks to my personal history of growing up during the era of the Migrant Farm Worker and knowing them personally as friends (and occasionally working along side them, picking pumpkins, peaches, etc.); it pains me greatly to wonder how many had the grand dream of the North shattered by ‘no work today’ signs as the machines started to take over.

The Wiki puts the peak near 1959 / 1960 at 437,000:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bracero_program

1958 432,491
1959 437,000
1960 319,412

Today, thanks to Cesar Chavez and his push for high farm wage rates, we have machines employed nation wide picking tomatoes, pumpkins, almonds, grapes and so much more. Last time I drove by, I saw no sign for the Migrant Labor Camp. I suspect it is long gone. The only reference to it I found on line was a paper written in 1964 about the education offered in the summer there by a local college. Average attendance 68 and classes ‘at all levels’. So with the demise of that camp, also gone is that free education.

So was this a good thing, or a bad thing?

IMHO, we can’t really know. It depends on what replaced it. Are those ex-Braceros now working their own farms in Mexico and shipping produce north, instead of people? Do they have a permanent home now? Did the White Trash “move up and out” into real homes in the communities? Or are they the urban Welfare Ghettos of today? I don’t know what happened to all those folks.

What I do know is that the conditions for migrant farm laborers was tough. Then again, my Dad was all of about 15 years out of the army and had “walked across France” so didn’t want to see it again. He had arrived in California in a “Beat up old Chevy with 50 cents in his pocket” and got a job on a construction site. 2 kids and wife arriving in a car with no home, working with his hands. Now where did I hear that scenario before?…

So I don’t see that things were all that much worse for the guys in the late ’50s and early ’60s than they had been for my Dad in the late ’40s. I have a hard time “talking dirt” about something that is a matter of family pride to us now. My Dad was very proud of starting, literally broke, and ending up owning 4 rental houses and semi-retired with them as his retirement.

Now we’ve cut off that first rung of the ladder. Now those folks are told “Don’t Come!” in the first place, or are placed on dead-end welfare if they are already here. I’m not hearing a lot of success stores that start with “First we sat at home and did nothing” or “Mom dutifully collected her welfare check every week”. There may be some out there, but it isn’t the kind of thing folks ‘talk up’.

For many Mexicans, the “ladder of success” starts, now, with importing or dealing drugs from Cartels in Mexico. This is an improvement how?

But at least the machines are fully employed and our farmers are now some of THE most productive in the world and with the lowest labor usage.

So, for today, join me in celebrating that little bit of positive out of all this. We can enjoy the stories of success and perseverance, of triumph and invention, on this, Mechanical Harvester Day. Thank you Cesar Chavez, for making our farms so productive and replacing those teeming hundreds of thousands of Mexican Farm Workers with machines. I hope your remaining 8.000 UFW members are celebrating their status as survivors today. It is quite a “legacy” for Cesar Chavez, and we ought to celebrate it today.

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21 Responses to Mechanical Grape Harvester Day!

  1. John F. Hultquist says:

    ” join me in celebrating ”

    Done. We have a different but similar outcome family story.
    Cheers!

  2. philjourdan says:

    I guess they have not invented an Avocado picking machine yet as most still come from Mexico (farmers in CA moved to mechanical picking crops). And Asparagus is still picked by hand (at least down in Imperial valley).

    Down there, they also have a main street named for Caesar Chavez. And the story is he was very anti-immigrant (shut the door once you get in). But dead heroes lose their faults and are remembered for their accomplishments (or in the case of the left, their good intentions). So he is still lionized in Imperial Valley, even though it is well over 50% Mexican (your Spanish is not a nice to have, but required).

  3. llanfar says:

    I remember as a high schooler in Castroville, CA spending a couple of weeks working in a strawberry field alongside many hispanics. Lunch was a treat…someone would start a fire, get out a skillet and cook up some flour tortillas with beans. .25c/hr… eventually the novelty of free strawberries paled to the desire for more money so I went elsewhere…

  4. E.M.Smith says:

    @Phil:

    The last Asparagus I bought was from Peru… Though since it can take a decade to get a good stand of Asparagus established, I’d expect it be hand harvested in California until replacement time, then something else will likely go in.

    @Ilanfar:

    For me, it was peaches. I couldn’t take the constant peach fuzz down the neck and in my eyes, so didn’t last long. (Then went to pumpkins that ripened after the peaches…) eventually ending up as a Label Machine Operator (that was a ‘big deal’ then and there as it paid well and mostly you sat there looking at the machine making sure it was filled and adjusted right, so a ‘cherry’ job…)

    Now? I doubt you could even start a fire legally. “Fire” has become a politically incorrect thing as it “makes particulates and pollutes the air”. Go figure… the foundation of civilization for tens of thousands of years and all…

    The local fire department informed me (when asked) that I’d better have a plate of something to BBQ next to my outdoor BBQ were I burning anything in it. ( I wanted to get rid of some tree trimmings). The only exception to the burn ban being BBQ for lunch / dinner. Guess Webber has a lobbyist… So I dutifully kept a plate of cheap hotdogs fermenting in the sun while I cleaned up the tree debris…

  5. Dan_Kurt says:

    Please do an essay on the current push for $15.00 per hour minimum wage. Especially the unintended consequences that will be in its wake.

    Dan Kurt

  6. E.M.Smith says:

    @Dan:

    You mean like Wendy’s just announcing they are putting robotic order stations in hundreds of their stores (IIRC the #) and the announcement that someone had invented a burger flipping robot?

    The local pizza parlor has a chain driven oven. Pizzas are just placed in the entry and picked up on the other end when done. No cooks needed. They do have folks putting toppings on, but that’s about 30 seconds per pizza. Burgers can be similarly handled.

    Add a nice little condiment robot (chain driven belt, each spot squirts out some item as you marked it on the order terminal) and you have start to finish robot cooked and wrapped burger. Fries are easier. You already fill your own drink.

    I think I could design a 1 person shop for fast food limited menu burger & fries… That one being the “Manager and repairman”…

    It’s going to be an interesting time…

    OK, I’ll write up something, but it will include generally addressing the implication of robots in general on labor.

  7. philjourdan says:

    @llanfar – The best tortillas I ever had was when my best friend Benny and I went fishing, and his mother made some fresh for our day trip. I actually had never had plain tortillas before that (and not many at all since I was new to California).

    As for the trip, we forgot the worms, so netted some minnows and caught a bass apiece. I do not recall the size of the fish, I just remember the tortillas.

  8. Jeff says:

    @E.M. “I think I could design a 1 person shop for fast food limited menu burger & fries… That one being the “Manager and repairman”… “.

    We used to have one. It was called Doggie Diner (RIP Al Ross).

    There was nothing finer than the Doggie Diner…

    Gone are the days of the short-order cook, who did everything, and somehow remembered that you ordered two chili dogs, no mustard, three burgers with extra mustard, one of which with cheese on top, a coffee with cream and sugar, and one without, and still got that straight amongst three or four customers…sigh…

    RoundTable has had the chain-driven ovens for years (I remember the changeover, and the employees seemed to be not pleased about it, as they sometimes had to move the pizzas back a bit to cook correctly). BurgerKing (at least here in Beautiful Downtown Deutschland) has chain-driven “BBQ” cookers; I’ve seen something similar for buns, too. And don’t forget Chevy’s automagic tortilla machine.
    Finally, LegoLand here in Günuburg has/had an automatic pizza maker (in Restaurant PizzaMania), complete with Legomänner appearing to help out. As it was near the LegoBrick discount shop, I could hardly resist :)

  9. philjourdan says:

    @E.M. – Asparagus is a big impulse item in Mexico as well (for snow birds). Kids are hawking it all along the border. But alas, unless you intend to eat it there (or smuggle it across the border), they do not let it in. Pests or some such (CBP has a sign indicating that is one of the no-nos).

  10. Soronel Haetir says:

    You forgot the most important person for the robot fast-food joint: the bin filler. Although if/when unattended self-driving vehicles are licensed for the roads even that will go away.

  11. cdquarles says:

    It’s not and making ‘drugs’ illegal didn’t help. ‘Government’ help is nearly always a cure worse than the disease.

    This is another area where a good cost/benefit analysis may have helped people understand the issues.

    Wrt ‘drugs’, the point was to make that which was a vice, but legal, into a crime so you can control people. It helps if you have pliant ‘scientists’ to do pliant studies that accentuate the bad and downplay the good. This story is a century plus old here in these United States, and yes, it has been primarily a policy of the Slavery Party to use ‘do-gooders’ whenever possible.

  12. cdquarles says:

    So who’s going to clean the machines and the restaurant? The manager or the repairman or both?

    McDonald’s grills cook on both sides of the burger. The work is keeping the machine clean. Grease fires are nasty. Fries were automated with timers decades ago (worked at a fish&chips place in the 70s. That lab job was so much better in so many ways. A McD’s crew will be 4 to 6 people on 4h shifts with overlaps for peak times. Overtime not allowed. Good luck getting more than 32 hours if you don’t want to work rotating shifts.

    I’ve never been helped by a minimum wage increase, I have been hurt by them, way too many times, directly or indirectly.

  13. Larry Ledwick says:

    Similar memories here, although the areas where the Mexican temporary workers lived and worked were mostly north of where I lived, I remember the truck loads of Braceros in the spring time moving from farm to farm.

    Here in Colorado north of Denver you had lots produce farms Onions, lettuce some corn etc. and sugar beets. The crews would move from farm to farm as the various crops came into season.

    Some of the farmers set up migrant housing on their land.

    When Ceaser started to do his thing here in Colorado there was a lot activity to end the Bracero programs. Mostly driven by the “exploitation” of the migrants by the farmers. Some of that was legitimate, but much of it was just a cultural divide. The local residents were judging their living conditions by their own brick 1000+ square foot suburban home values with nice lawns and a garage for 2 cars, not the relative equivalence to where many of these workers lived in small rural towns in Mexico where they pumped water in the city square and lived in a small adobe home with no modern conveniences.

    Those workers were glad to be able to come up here for a summer and earn enough to live well over the winter and send a bit of money home to family. They were earning several times what they could earn in a year in Mexico in a few months.

    Those who did not work as pickers worked in Turkey processing plants and sugar plants up near Longmont Co. or Ft Morgan. In late summer and early fall when the beets were ready to harvest the sugar plants would start their harvest campaigns and would be picking and processing beets around the clock for several weeks to get the most sugar out of the beet crop before winter set in.

    Down south they worked picking pinto beans or potatoes in southern Colorado (San Louise valley for the potatoes, and beans in the Durago area, where my dad got a job as a teen riding the rails during the depression, or Mellons in the Rocky Ford and Lajunta area. ( setting for the movie Mr. Majestyk with Charles Bronson ).

    Yes many of the pickers were used and abused by the growers but they were used and abused back home too, and summer work in the US was a relatively good deal for them.

  14. p.g.sharrow says:

    I’ll be! we were wondering today just where the heck this “Cesar Chavez Day” came from because all official offices were closed. Chavez was a labor contractor that got caught not paying withholding taxes so he converted his operation into a “Union” to stay out of jail as well as a political movement to get protection from government enforcers.
    Obama and the Democrats are grubbing were for a few more votes. More paid days off for paper pushers…pg

  15. omanuel says:

    Thanks, Chiefio, for this reflection on “social progress.”

    Since power corrupts, it is almost impossible to make real social progress unless the inalienable rights of the individual are built into the power structure.

    “He governs best who governs least.”

  16. M Simon says:

    Prohibition is, among other things, a welfare program for criminals.

    Alcohol Prohibition…..

  17. M Simon says:

    Iran, Oil Shale, and robot grape pickers. From 2007.

    http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2007/01/oil-outlook.html

  18. E.M.Smith says:

    @M. Simon:

    On the S.A. Lessons page I made a comment about markets:

    Lessons From South America?

    That applies to making things criminal too. It is an odd paradox that criminalizing a product increases the price by a LOT so induces MANY more suppliers to enter the effort. Were M.J. legal to grow your own, a ‘baggies’ would cost about $1 as every high school would have a dozen kids growing it in the yard and there would be ZERO “drug cartel” money in it, so they would exit the market.

    The product would likely be a lot less potent and far less effort would be put into developing strong strains (easier to ship clandestinely).

    The end result of criminalizing a product is much higher prices, much higher availability from many more market participants, and higher quality.

    FWIW, as non-theoretical example:

    When I was about 8? the local drug store sold Codeine Cough Syrup over the counter and marijuana was in transition from the prior legal to modestly illegal. (Tax Act passed, but later “mandatory sentencing” added as folks ignored the Tax Act). The town had ONE guy who abused cough syrup and everyone knew him, but it didn’t seem to hurt him any. “Hard drugs” were nowhere to be found and marijuana was used by maybe a half dozen folks outside the few Mexicans in town. It was for “poor folks” so not cool. In high school I tried some and it was pretty weak. “Dime bag Mexican” and worth about that much.

    Now, after what, 40? years of a “War On Drugs”, you can get your choice from exquisite Marijuana that makes that old stuff look like oregano (that it may have been…) all the way through unlimited Cocaine and with an “Opiate Epidemic” going on. Quality is amazing, strength high (vis all those who OD every year), and supply unlimited.

    All from driving up the price via prohibition; which incidentally drives the customer to Hard Core Pushers and up the illicit activity food chain. We now have “one hit dope” where a single toke puts you into a stupor. (Had one hit of it in about 1978? and never again…)

    It is just stupid to have a prohibition based system for a substance abuse problem. Heck, just look up “Jungle Juice” and W.W.II Navy in the Pacific…

  19. M Simon says:

    “It is just stupid to have a prohibition based system for a substance abuse problem.”

    And look at who Trump has put in charge of “fighting” the opiate epidemic. Former prosecutor, Chris Christie.

    What I think is happening is that China with its factory made Fentanyl is undercutting CIA Afghanistan opium. Thus the urgency.

  20. Gail Combs says:

    At least Trump and Pence agree the problem is medical.

    …But the most important thing to me is, I think the President and I both agree that addiction is a disease, and it’s a disease that can be treated, and that we need to make sure we let people know — the President talked about how folks don’t talk about it. We talked about cancer, we talk about heart disease, we talk about diabetes, and we’re not afraid to talk about it. But people are afraid and ashamed to talk about drug addiction. And while they don’t talk about it, we lose lives — lives of good people…..
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/03/29/remarks-president-trump-listening-session-opioids-and-drug-abuse

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