Just a quick note that Sky News UK is reporting the Supreme Court has ruled Boris Johnson’s advice to the Queen was illegal and thus void. The Porogue is invalid, and The House Of Commons will be back at it tomorrow.
More when I have time, until then, here’s a thread for this as it unfolds / blows up…
Somebody REALLY wants to stop BREXIT.
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Musings from the Chiefio 
Let’s hope Boris sticks to his guns as it will force the opposition into the open,
Ohhh goodie, maybe they’ll vote no confidence in the government..And there will actually be an general election to get rid of the traitors who think they are Europeans not British.
Corbin was busy giving an election speech after the Supremes ruled against Boris. He might be getting up the steam for an election now that he can play up the Law Breaker Boris angle… His was the usual crap Socialist / Democrat line. Everything for free and high minimum wage and the rich will pay for it all with huge taxes. He’s scary.
So tomorrow The Commons meets again. There was some talk about how the Conservatives were having a confab so maybe only a skeleton of them? Something about the Opposition being able to take control of the agenda? Ought to be interesting fireworks. Hopefully Sky UK will carry some of it. So noon UK would be about 4 AM my time… don’t think I’ll be up that late, so maybe on YouTube as re-runs ;-)
No need to lose sleep. This will drag on as the Remainers desperately try to control parliament and delay Brexit. They cannot vote to cancel Brexit as that would be disastrous to their re-election prospects, so they will demand Boris approach the EU and beg for another extension. He may organise for another country to veto such, so where do the Remainers go from there?
He may also resign as PM (unlikely) or seek a vote of confidence. If they reject that, then they have to allow a general election, and many of them won’t come back.
The other alternative is to appoint (by a majority vote) another PM. Corbyn has the most numbers but is loathed and mistrusted by the 3 other parties necessary, and at least one of the other leaders has already signalled her candidacy.
“Reason cannot calm the storm of emotion, and emotion usually wins, until it settles down and allows reason to rise again and apologize on behalf of it.”
The UK Supremes say it was unconstitutional. I don’t think they can point to chapter and verse for that, just that he did it “with intent”. The rule of law isn’t, if it depends on who did it. When nobody can tell if something is legal until the Supremes pronounce on it. The UK is screwed, leave or not.
The Iranian model is that the Supremes really are supreme, they judge on the Higher Law (Allah).
The Obama/progressive model is similar, judging by what the law should be, not by what it is. “That’s not who we are”. Looks like the UK is going there too.
The advice may have been illegal but it was the queen that took the advice and her actions certainly were not. Unless the broke the law – her law – too. Hmm
She broke the law. Big fingers on little keyboard !
Graeme No.3 – can you tell us how an election can be effected at this point? Will one have to be held at some point if one can’t be called? If so, when will the scheduled election take place?
Jim2, it is scheduled for about 3 years time.
Graeme seems to have missed the fact that the “Parliament” has frozen Parliament and the Government (Tory Party) no longer have any control over precedings.
They cannot call an election without Parliaments permission, which is being withheld until after Boris has asked the EU for yet another extension.
The Government cannot Govern and the oppsoition can push through any new laws or rules they want, because they hve the Speaker on side.
Ah, blame it on Tony Blair, he put it the American style “modern” Supremes.
https://www.rt.com/op-ed/469574-boris-johnson-supreme-court-brexit/
Never in British history has there been a time when the government wanted a general election and the opposition parties fought so hard to prevent one.
They are traitors and know that the British public will kick their bums so hard in an election that they will all wind up across the channel in France or Belgium.
And good riddance !
Re an election: Boris can obey the majority vote and ask the EU for a delay, which the bureaucrats might agree on but it would be vetoed by anyone country in the EU (and Finland has already said it will so veto, and you can be fairly sure that Boris has had talks with other governments seeking same). What then? Time will be running out. Boris can call for a vote of confidence and if he loses has 14 days to try and get a majority. Or he could resign and let the opposition try to form a government. It would require a coalition of 4 parties, with some members keen for an election and others (Labour) desperate to avoid one. Assuming that they are determined enough to ask for another delay in leaving the EU, and assuming that the EU grant it (and they are surely stupid enough to agree), then the coalition will split immediately and an election is inevitable.
From the tone of his reaction Boris has decided to play for time. He won’t ask for a delay until the latest date he can manage, which is why the Remainers are trying to bring that date to early October. He obviously wants them to vote no confidence in him and precipitate an election. I think that he would be delighted to set the election date as Nov.1 after Brexit, but they aren’t likely to accept that.
Personally I think the best date for an election would be Guy Fawkes day (November the 5TH.) when the UK celebrates parliament being saved from plotters who wanted to blow the House up.
Before a new parliament sits, they still inspect the cellars for hidden barrels of gunpowder.
Bill in Oz: “They are traitors and know that the British public will kick their bums so hard in an election that they will all wind up across the channel in France or Belgium.”
Well, I’m a Yankee outsider with maybe one 1/8th of a clue, but even I can see that.
ROCK——-Remainers—-HARD PLACE
The Remainers are going to need one long-ass snorkel as they sink to the bottom.
@Graeme No. 3:
My Mum used to celebrate Guy Fawkes with a fire in the back yard (rural area…) When I asked about “why”, she had one of her particularly British answers: “Well, they say it is to celebrate the saving of Parliament; but some seem to be celebrating the attempt…. ”
Never could get her to take a position outright, but my sense of it was she liked celebrating Guy Fawkes and his attempt ;-)
E.M.S.
There used to be a poster available in Australia in the 1970’s. Figure with hat pulled down, coat collars up, face in complete shadow.
The caption was: VOTE for Guy Fawkes, the only man to enter Parliament with honest intentions.
I think that a reprinted copy might sell well in the UK at this time.
Best not o think about Guy Fawkes too much. He was a Catholic seeking to forcibly make Britain part of the Roman Catholic church again under the sovereignty of the pope.
here in Oz, with British parents we too celebrated Guy Fawkes with a bonfire,, There was alwyas a ‘guy’ who got burned with lots of fire crackers as well..
But more recently the celebrarion been abandoned as it can cause bush fires..
Guy Fawkes was a remainer. The struggle was exactly the same one as we are engaged in now.
The interesting thing is – just exactly WHAT LAW is Boris supposed to have broken? He ADVISED the Queen – and SHE prorogued Parliament. By definition, HM IS the law, and therefore can’t be any way illegal! So, I’m not sure if the ‘supreme court’ decision was not itself illegal!
Legal wise wizards can always find a rationale when they need one. Dopey bastards expect us not to see through their sophistry and dismiss it B/S.
I do wonder at how tame and house broken HM the Queen has been in all this. I’d think that were proroguing a Royal Privilege she would be out there defending it… but who knows, maybe she just wants to count her tax free money and avoid the mud of politics…
She’s protecting her family’s privileged position. A thing I’d have defended a few months ago, but no more, she has shirked her obligations.
Oh Oh – apparently the syndrome is contagious, and other parts of the EU are beginning to start Make Europe Great Again movements.
MEGA
@Larry L:
Interesting video. I find it interesting how many of the Italian audience were applauding at the right times to a Spanish speech. (I can sort of follow spoken Italian and read the written pretty well, despite only study of Spanish & French, so I ‘get it” how “close enough” can work).
Pretty much the English captions matched the Spanish I heard.
He didn’t pull any punches on things either. There may yet be some hope for Europe.
E.M. Smith:
HM The Queen actually does pay taxes, by her own choice.
@Annie – THAT is interesting! I had no idea. Thanks!
Next gambit revealed.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7516083/No-10-probes-MPs-foreign-collusion-amid-plot-John-Bercow-send-surrender-letter-Brussels.html