W.O.O.D. 30 October 2019


This is another of the W.O.O.D. series of semi-regular
Weekly Occasional Open Discussions.
(i.e. if I forget and skip one, no big)

Immediate prior one here:

and remains open for threads running there (at least until the ‘several month’ auto-close of comments on stale threads).

Canonical list of old ones here:

I had been deprecating the use of “tips” pages. As the open discussion pages caught on, tips dropped off. For a month or two now I’ve not had a “tips” page put up, and nobody seems to have noticed. Then this last month folks started using the last TIPS page again. So do I need to bring them back? All the old ones remain for historical reference:
Tips Pages

What’s Going On?


Now postponed to January 31st, maybe.

A new election is scheduled for Dec. 12th. “Suddenly” Corbyn decided it was a good idea.

Perhaps that survey that showed about 2/3 of the voters would find it acceptable if violence had to be done to the ministers to get BREXIT done?


Violence against MPs is a ‘price worth paying’ to get their way on Brexit say majority of both Leavers and Remainers in ‘genuinely shocking’ survey

Majority thought violence to MPs or injury to the public ‘a price worth paying’

Professor Richard Wyn Jones, of Cardiff University, said he was ‘shaken’
Cabinet Office minister Oliver Dowden urged violence was unacceptable
Universities of Cardiff and Edinburgh used YouGov data to reach findings


PUBLISHED: 17:55 EDT, 24 October 2019 | UPDATED: 06:33 EDT, 25 October 2019

Violence against MPs is a ‘price worth paying’ to get the Brexit result they want, say a majority of both Leavers and Remainers in a ‘genuinely shocking’ survey.

The study, based on polling by YouGov, found 71% of Leavers in England, 60% in Scotland and 70% in Wales believed violence towards MPs was a ‘price worth paying’ for Brexit.

Among Remainers, 58% in England, 53% in Scotland and 56% in Wales considered violence towards MPs was a ‘price worth paying’ for Britain to stay in the EU.

Perhaps images of pitchfork carrying mobs of voters around Parliament convinced them the only good way out of their present pickle is to call an election and put someone else on the spot…

So, for now, It’s still Groundhog Day and will be until mid December, or January, or…

Turkey, Syria, Russia, Kurds, etc. etc.

Seems like after a short taster of unpleasantry, Turkey decided to do as agreed after all. So Russia and Turkey are now on the hook for preventing fighting in a place with a biblical length of hatred. I’m OK with that. One down, 2 to go. (Or is it three? Iran, Afghanistan, other icky-stans?)

Hyperventilating Impeachment Follies Continue

Now the Democrats are saying they might have a vote on {something unknown} that might be called “impeachment” and may or may not involve Republicans and / or due process and / or rule of law. Maybe.

Perhaps we need a survey about voter attitudes toward Congress and discount prices on pitchforks? /sarc;

Saudi War Escalates?

Saudi has also simmered down. We’ve got more missile defense gear there and folks to run it, but mostly their ball game. Wonder if Iran has figured out it’s a bad idea to shoot things at Trump, yet….

Snow Season

We’ve got ongoing snow & cold events. Some setting new cold records. I predict this winter will be a very cold one of the likes not seen by this generation, especially across the Mid-West and Northeast. Canada too.

There was a LOT of crop not yet harvested that a couple of feet of snow has squashed. Canadian wheat, for example. Tiny House Prepper said he’d driven something like 185 miles and it was just crops in the field still, then a week or 2 later, lost in feet of snow.

Best numbers I’ve seen SO FAR are that about 15% to 30% of various crops lost. Not famine range, but a “taste” of things to come. It would be a very good idea to stock up on things that keep, like flour, pancake mix, noodles. Stuff you actually eat. I’d not focus on things like canned green beans, though. Those are summer crops and ought not be much issue with them.

There was a freeze in an Oregon Valley that supplies most of the seeds for some crops, and that’s an issue. You can take that once. IF it happens 2 or 3 times in a row, it starts to be a critical impact. They may need to move operations to another place.

Deep State Skate

And we’re still waiting and waiting… One reporter said the delay was that when they looked closely at some stuff, they found a much deeper root of criminality and decided to go round up that bit, too. I would like to see at least ONE perp-walk, just to know there’s something real happening.

Ebola Watch

Yeah, it is still “a thing” even if not top of the non-news MSM.


Last time:

Latest numbers as of 16 October 2019
3224 Total cases
2152 Total deaths
1037 Survivors

Compare now:

Latest numbers as of 30 October 2019
3268 Total cases
2182 Total deaths
1048 Survivors

Increase now up to an added 44, so slowing. That’s a very good thing.

It also looks like the sporadic hop into nearby countries is being extinguished as it arrives. So there may be hope yet for ending this without a horrible outcome.

Socialist Policies On Parade

Anyone remember Venezuela? Argentina?

I’e started losing track of the other places having “issues” with riots and such. Paris (France in general), Belgium had something happen but I didn’t follow up on it. Lebanon is having their “Color Revolution” event, it seems. Chile and Argentina are going too. Argentina just elected a Socialist because that worked out so well last time /sarc; IIRC there was some activity in Bolivia and Ecuador (but maybe not much beyond the norm for them?) Of course Libya is still a basket case (thank, Hillary…) and some other north African countries were unsettled (Algeria?)

Then there’s South Africa where electricity is becoming a sporadic thing. As they are the economic engine for that whole end of the continent, if they collapse (more) the whole area goes belly up.

Oh, and California where “children won’t even know what electricity is”… We have lots of windmills that make power when the wind blows, and then the utility company shuts off the grid when it is windy. Yeah, that “bright”. So I guess it’s a race condition of California and South Africa for who can collapse their grid first.

Maybe I need to make a list of all the countries and rank them on a scale of disruption from Stable to Chaos and tag it with status of the electric grid there…

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168 Responses to W.O.O.D. 30 October 2019

  1. philjourdan says:

    I am a bit surprised that Californians are actually not rioting. After all, it is close to Venezuela now. NO power, no Car juice (for all them lectric ones), taking all your money to pay for non-residents. And a leader that is blaming all the wrong folks for their problems.

    So what is the difference between Cali and Venezuela again? Other than stage of decay?

  2. E.M.Smith says:

    @Phil Jourdan:

    A huge influx of money from the ROW into companies like Google, Faceplant, Apple, etc. that keeps the place funded. Lots and lots of OPM (Other Peoples Money) in play.

    One of my kids just got a job at one of the big tech companies (the other one has had one for a while now). They can suck down huge money because their products sell globally without much effective competition.

    WHEN, and it is a when, that eventually falters, the place will stove in… Think of Venezuela under Chavez in the early years. Lots and Lots of oil money to keep the Socialism afloat coming from all over the planet. Only when the oil money started to dry up (post “nationalizing” it) as the infrastructure decayed; then the rot showed.

    For California, the process is more complicated. Movies in the LA area are a global money draw. Yet a lot more production is happening outside the area… and for Silicon Valley, competitors are popping up all over. Where, 20 years ago, I did a lot of data center builds, now the big thing is remote data centers in cheaper places. “The Cloud”. Very little interest in building data centers with $0.35 / kW-hr electricity that might or might not be there when needed (electricity and communications are THE two biggest issues in a data center). So you see them being built in places like the Carolinas and Texas. Fab of semiconductors was a really big thing here in the ’80s. Now it’s all gone to Asia & similar. Folks only put “headquarters” and maybe engineering here now. High end folks who get paid high wages, but no worker bees…

    So how much of that can you do? When does that hit the wall? I don’t know. Folks really like the wonderful climate and the “amenities”, so pay up for it. California has always banked on “The Next Gold Rush” and I’ve seen a couple of them come and go. What’s the next one? Will it fail this time? Hasn’t yet…. “So far so good.. this jumping off buildings isn’t so bad!” as we pass the 2nd floor headed toward the cement….

    Where it bites is folks out in the countryside. They have “real jobs” and that’s where I see things degrading. Lots of little “Valley Towns” that are transforming into Mexican Barrios. My home town that was a great place All American Wholesome now is not a place I’d feel safe and shows signs of money stress…. So watch the rural California for decay as San Francisco / L.A. / Silicon Valley will be supported by OPM a lot longer…

  3. philjourdan says:

    You pretty much answered my last rhetorical question.

    And just an FYI – AWS-US West – is in Oregon. You are correct. DCs need RELIABLE power and circuits. Cali may have the latter, but it does no good if there is no power for them.

  4. YMMV says:

    Socialist Policies On Parade. Sweden, everybody’s favorite example of a good socialist country? Gone, or at least walking dead.

    “Civil war or bright future? Sweden beckons more migrants with ‘land of benefits’ website as ex-Scania CEO predicts grave conflict”
    The future is grim for Sweden’s economy, Östling continued, “and it’s because we’ve taken in far too many people from outside,” with no thought toward whether they would be able to assimilate and acclimatize to Sweden’s “incredibly complicated society.”
    “With almost 420,000 asylum seekers arriving in the country since 2011 – and a total of over 920,000 immigrants – the country, with less than 10 million inhabitants, is struggling to accommodate the new arrivals.”

    “Bomb attacks are now a normal part of Swedish life”
    A new report from the Swedish Defence University warns that clan structures in some immigrant areas are putting the Swedish justice system under ‘severe stress’. In these parallel societies, the Swedish state is weak, witness intimidation is systematic and ordinary citizens are pressured to submit to clan rule.
    “Sweden’s gangs, which mainly operate out of the country’s socioeconomically weak immigrant neighbourhoods, do not only use explosives to assert their dominance.”

    “It’s Time for Sweden to Admit Explosions Are a National Emergency”
    Sweden has experienced a sharp rise in explosions in recent years, predominantly related to conflicts between warring criminal gangs. The use of explosives in the Nordic country is now at a level that is unique in the world for a state not at war, according to police.
    “A longstanding cornerstone of the country’s political conversation dictates that crime must be understood in socio-economic terms, and that welfare provisions are a cure-all against violence and social unrest. Yet Sweden is one of Europe’s most generous welfare states.
    Instead of seeking refuge in ideological wishful thinking, the Swedish government should focus on reforming a criminal justice system that was built for a more peaceful society.”

    “Sweden’s deadly problem with hand grenades”

    “Danish PM vows to tighten Swedish border controls after bomb blasts”
    Ms Frederiksen, who was elected in June, said it was clear that the incident was linked to Sweden but acknowledged that Denmark also has “problems at home”.

    Sweden claims it does not have no-go zones, but it’s easy to find a list of them online.
    It has 60 “vulnerable areas”. It has 23 “especially vulnerable area’s” which are “characterized by social issues and a criminal presence which has led to a widespread disinclination to participate in the judicial process and difficulties for the police to fulfil their mission”.

  5. Another Ian says:

    “A couple of really good interviews pertaining to Grand Solar Minimum and the benefits of CO2”

    Links at


  6. YMMV says:

    Another Ian: “The Beltway’s ‘Whistleblower’ Furor Obsesses Over One Name”
    Great link. That article is well worth reading.
    Eric Ciaramella — remember that name. Obama holdover, worked for Biden. and Alexandra Chalupa. Clinton moles.

    I always thought it was strange, all the claims of Russia this, Russia that. Russia? Has been. No threat. No big deal.

    Now it’s clear that it’s the Ukrainian connections that count. And the Ukrainians don’t like Russia.

  7. Larry Ledwick says:

    An interesting look at 600 year old weapons technology with careful replication of period equipment.
    Can a long bow shoot through breast plate armor of the Argencourt era?

    long bow vs plate armor

    War long bow (160# pull vs 800# pull cross bow)
    Long bow vs cross bow

  8. Another Ian says:

    “McCarthy: Impeachment Resolution Makes Schiff Witness, Prosecutor, Judge, and Jury”


    Does he think he’s Lenin?

  9. Another Ian says:

    “Arguing with a liberal in real life”


  10. p.g.sharrow says:

    @ EMSmith; The separation of “tips” for information and “Wood” for conversation is wonderful for a tidy mind but the Human nature of conversation is to inject conversation and information together followed by remarks that wander from subject to subject. The conversation on the many subjects posted is the draw that keeps our attention, Meanwhile the W.O.O.D. allows us the opportunity to add to the subjects discussed. So I would suggest just ignore the chaos a bit and let her ride…pg

  11. jim2 says:

    Tulsi can go pound sand …

    Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI), who is running for the Democrat 2020 presidential nomination, cast a yes vote in favor of the impeachment resolution against President Donald Trump the House passed on Thursday.


  12. Larry Ledwick says:

    Looks like President Trump is going to officially become a Florida resident and walk away from New York and their crazy government.


  13. Another Ian says:

    Quote on radio this morning

    “Science is now mostly about an income, not an outcome”

  14. Another Ian says:

    “New study settles it: Global Warming and the pause was driven by changes in cloud cover, not CO2”

  15. H.R. says:

    Here’s another meaningless, no doubt totally invalid study that can’t and won’t be replicated. We have Harvard to thank for this waste of time and money. Grant seekers gotta grant seek.

    People who are always late are happier and live longer.


    I’d like to see a 40-year longitudinal study of 3,000 to 4,000 people to indicate that it might be true.

    P.S. Not much in that link. I picked one that wouldn’t give any YSM outlet the clicks. For further details to ridicule, you’ll have to search on that italicized bit. I hope the study is paywalled. That would help keep that worthless bit of utter stupidity out of the mainstream.

    Why couldn’t they just apply for yet-another-coffee-study grant?

  16. beththeserf says:

    Being named as the whistleblower, a Cia analyst, registered Democrat held over from the Obama White House. Worked for Joe Biden.

  17. E.M.Smith says:


    I think their happiness will depend on if they work at a holistic greenhouse and are late, or are a private in the USMC and are late…

  18. Josh from Sedona says:

    Thought this was interesting, it says right in the article you can’t use it to deny global warming, but at at least kinda says you can’t predict what will happen with global warming. That’s very very interesting apparently I can’t post links off of my clipboard here LOL I’ll just spell it out I guess… https://phys.org/news/2019-10-corn-yields-boost-global-hole.html

  19. p.g.sharrow says:

    When the Silks form on Corn they are very heat and dry sensitive. They must be damp to contact the pollen and begin the corn grain creation. Greater amounts of moisture available mean cooler ground growing temperatures, Greater amounts of CO2 and other growth fertilizers result in reduced moisture demands by the growing plant…pg

  20. Larry Ledwick says:

    Solar companies are looking at increased demand in California due to the blackouts.


  21. philjourdan says:

    @HR – tell that to the couple who miss their flight. But then maybe those happy folks never fly?

  22. Larry Ledwick says:

    There is an impeach Nancy Pelosi petition that shot past the 100K target in no time, now at 274K


  23. H.R. says:

    philjourdan: “@HR – tell that to the couple who miss their flight. But then maybe those happy folks never fly?”

    Oh my. That made me laugh! That there would be millions of people the researchers didn’t account for.

    Phweeeet!… Study invalidated! Did not think things through. 15-yard penalty and loss of down……….. and funding ;o)

  24. Larry Ledwick says:

    Probably not going to see this on the main stream news
    ANTIFA thug gets 6 years for assault.

  25. H.R. says:

    @Larry L re Antifa thug:

    His mom: “He was such a gooood boy.” Yeah…. right… uh huh… suuuuure…

    Good golly! Only six effin’ years?!? Look at the freakin’ pictures of the victim, fer cryin’ out loud. That is some serious damage.

    Six years and the perp is out, whereas those nasty scars are a lifetime for his target.

    Let the Antifa @#!&-mutha-@$%#-puppy raping-#@!&-duck dick chewing- &%$#! weasel sucking -#$@%!-for-brains out of jail when the scars on his victim’s head have healed and disappeared, or when his cellmate, Bubba, decides he no longer has a “Purty mouth.”

    Don’t give me any of that “6 years is too long” crap.

  26. E.M.Smith says:


    Put the antifa hood-wanna-be in prison for a few years and then IF he survives I’m pretty sure he won’t do that again… BTW a 6 year sentence usually is served in about 3 if the guy doesn’t screw up. But I doubt he’s going to do well. Not a lot of “socialist safe spaces” in prison and he won’t be adopted by any of the race based gangs. I suspect his “intellect” will collect a “beating a day” for a while…

  27. tom0mason says:

    Here’s a ad-nonblocker…
    Basically an add-on that intercepts your browser feed, and runs off with the ad content clicking all the available buttons, rendering all the scrapped info about you worthless.
    may be useful for someone.

  28. pouncer says:

    The DNC computers that were “hacked” by “Russians” ( “phished” by “parties undetermined” might be more correct) were investigated by a company called CrowdStrike with tenuous ties to the Ukraine.

    I wonder what would happen if a clone of the DNC server files were delivered anonymously to five or so sources? Remember the way the ClimateGate files came out, just a few years ago?

    There would also seem to remain the possibility that files exist and could be cloned/distributed from Democratic congressional computers maintained by Debbie Wasserman-Schultz’s favorite Pakistani technician Imran Awan. If somebody threatened Pakistan’s intelligence services with some expensive consequences unless truths were disclosed … A quid pro quo, as it were .., well I’d be interested.

  29. E.M.Smith says:


    THE big question is just “Did some Systems Admin grab a copy?” and what are their morals?

    I had “everything” from several companies at different times. Often I’d make “out of cycle” full dumps and put them in my safe at home. Why? Because they needed one and they were not doing them.

    Now, never once have I ever breached the trust and given ANYTHING to anyone not appropriate.

    About as close as you can get is one company that collapsed. I gave a Full Dump of EVERYTHING to the one guy in charge of engineering that was, IMHO, moral enough and technical enough to do the Right Thing with it all. I, a contractor, was “out the door”, but wanted to “do my duty” to assure a few man-decades of work was not tossed without consideration.

    Nobody told me to preserve that data. Nobody told me to give it to him.

    So, the question is: Did someone do something similar with the far more politically sensitive data from those political gamesters? And then, to whom? Basically, was there a Snowden?

  30. Larry Ledwick says:

    A little more information about the final journey of Otzi the Ice man from detailed analysis of plant fragments found in / on and near his body.


  31. Larry Ledwick says:

    Short video clip of Northern Lights – vivid display – someday I hope to see them.

    A few years ago I drove up into Wyoming on a night that they were predicted to extend well to the south of the Canadian border but never saw a thing.

  32. E.M.Smith says:

    I saw them in about the 1960s in N. California. They are fun but not as exotic as I expected.

  33. Larry Ledwick says:

    I understand that in the arctic (like northern Alaska, Norway etc) you can also hear them.

    Which I am sure added to the mystery of the lights before science began to explain how they were produced.


  34. H.R. says:

    I remember my dad taking us outside one night to see the Aurora Borealis. I don’t know how or why, but he knew it was a rare opportunity for us to see the ‘Northern Lights’. I think his dad took him out to see them 30+ years prior where he grew up an additional 120 miles South.

    I was a tyke of maybe 4-5-6 years old (late 50s, very early 60s). Mom was excited since she was a Texas gal and never had the opportunity to see the aurora.

    Anyhow, the good news is that mid-America is getting the opportunity to see the Aurora Borealis again. The bad news is that mid-America is getting to see the Aurora Borealis again.

    I associate the aurora’s visibility with a colder, clearer regime across the midsection of the U.S. We’ll soon see if that holds true.

  35. p.g.sharrow says:

    Back in the mid 1970s I lived in Prince William Sound, Alaska. about the same latitude as Anchorage and got to watch the Alaskan winter Aurora, Great Curtains of green, blue, and reds that danced as if alive. Quite a show.
    Saw them once above northern California / Nevada just a dull reddish glow, not much to see…pg

  36. llanfar says:

    I was living in Minnesota during the great Halloween storms in ‘03. The largest flare – an X45 (initially mislabeled as an X28) sparked auroras down through Texas. Quite a show with auroras filling the sky over us!


  37. Larry Ledwick says:

    Not sure “Newpunch” is the most authoritative news source out there but an interesting article in any case.


    Related to the above there, is an interesting Wiki page that supposedly lists “fake news sites”
    Given the known bias of such politically contentious articles on wiki, it might serve as a negative info reference (ie what it claims you can assume conforms to the establishment bias and agenda)


  38. Larry Ledwick says:

    Hard to believe it has been 10 years since the Climate Gate release.


  39. Larry Ledwick says:

    Joe Bastardi shows up how the models regularly bust completely, and fail to even come close to real out comes.


  40. Larry Ledwick says:

    For those too young to remember the Soviet Union and true totalitarian communism/socializm, point them to this video as a history refresher.

    See also his blog


  41. Larry Ledwick says:

    A little bit of info on the impact of vitamin D on flu infections and related upper respiratory infections.


  42. Larry Ledwick says:

    It appears that Gab has made a move to create an alternative to Drudge Report since Drudge recently has turned his back on conservatives (rumor is he got bought out by someone with a leftist agenda), so they are creating a “people powered” news aggregator site.


    Might be a one stop place to check out what is going on each day outside the mass media globalist bubble.

  43. Another Ian says:

    I just noticed that there are a few new posts on impeachment etc up at The Air Vent


  44. cdquarles says:

    The purpose of the flu shot isn’t so much to prevent the flu. It can do that, yet it is mainly designed to help limit the *spread* of the flu by increasing ‘herd immunity’ and, secondarily and somewhat more importantly, lower the incidence of pneumonia. Influenza can induce, itself, pulmonary edema. That alone is problematic; now add the secondary bacterial (or now, fungal) infection, well, let me say that pneumonia can take a healthy person from well to dead in 72 hours.

    That said, Vitamin D3 is important. On the flip side, it *is* a fat soluble vitamin and you *can* poison yourself with it. I am one of the people who need supplementation because 1. I tan, 2. I take a medication that can cause a really horrible skin condition if I do get too much sun. I take an additional 1000 IU (25 mg?) daily because I *did* have low blood levels.

  45. cdquarles says:

    Re: The FL principal who ‘denied’ the Holocaust because not everyone agreed it took place, see this: https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2019/11/reunion-in-jerusalem.php. NB that the living memories are dying off. (And the span of a man’s years shall be 120.)

  46. E.M.Smith says:


    Spousal Dad “liberated” some of the camps. (101st Airborne going in and 82nd later on.) It was real. Worst thing he experienced in the war, near as I could tell. Getting killed in battle, or fighting an opponent? Those have some risk and honor to them. Just seeing a camp full of horrors done out of hatred was haunting to him. The living memories may be dying off, but the memories are living on.

  47. Larry Ledwick says:

    That said, Vitamin D3 is important. On the flip side, it *is* a fat soluble vitamin and you *can* poison yourself with it.

    True but mostly” technically possible” but you have to really work at it with massive overdose for an extended period of time.

    Just like Vit A over dose – it takes long term saturating over dose to cause problems.

    I only take Vit D3 during the winter months when it is impossible to produce Vit D from sun exposure. In the spring, summer and early fall, I only get the token Vit D dose in my one a day vitamin suppliment plus my sun exposure (which cannot produce over dose).


    One recent study looked at data from more than 20,000 people over a 10-year period. It found that only 37 people had levels above 100 ng/ml (250 nmol/l). Only one person had true toxicity, at 364 ng/ml (899 nmol/l) (8Trusted Source).

    In one case study, a woman had a level of 476 ng/ml (1,171 nmol/l) after taking a supplement that gave her 186,900 IU of vitamin D3 per day for two months (9).

    This was a whopping 47 times the generally recommended safe upper limit of 4,000 IU per day.

    As with all supplements long term use of high dose supplements can be problematic, I don’t take Vit D3 every day even in the winter, but I have noticed taking it in the winter time definitely improves my mood and energy level.

  48. Larry Ledwick says:

    Well this explains the absurd polls that Fox has done lately.

  49. E.M.Smith says:

    @Larry L:

    I think “The Kids” are slowly putting their biases into Fox. It still has a lot of money-draw conservative hosts on it, but one by one things are drifting…

  50. Another Ian says:


    “Reconstructing Justice – Flynn Defense Submits Outstanding Sur-Surreply to Counter Prosecution….”


  51. YMMV says:

    “Apple will make available about 42 acres of land in northern San Jose, California valued at $300 million on which it hopes nearly 3,800 affordable housing units can be built.”

    What does “affordable housing” mean? Especially in California. That’s a lot of tents.

  52. E.M.Smith says:

    It means Agenda 21 / 30 compliant “rack-em pack-em & stack-em” apartments going at about $3000 / month. My question would be “what does ‘make available’ mean? Does that mean ‘collect rent checks’?”

    I’d also guess it was prior manufacturing or warehousing space they have abandoned as they moved facilities out of State…

  53. Larry Ledwick says:

    Just because this is a beautifully executed picture – great composition and content!.

  54. philjourdan says:

    Great read on why Assange was gotten when he was – https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/11/03/why-john-brennan-peter-strzok-and-doj-needed-julian-assange-arrested-and-why-uk-officials-obliged/

    Sundance is very good with his analysis. If his thesis is true, Assange will never see the inside of a courtroom, or freedom again.

  55. Larry Ledwick says:

    On our previous discussions about troop movements in Syria and the Kurds –

    It appears there was a bit of two step shuffle going on, taking out certain troops and quietly replacing them with other units.

  56. Another Ian says:

    More flavouring for the cauldron

    “Biden Lied – Emails Show Burisma Executives Leveraging Hunter Biden Membership as Pressure on U.S. State Dept. For Assistance in Removing Ukraine Corruption Probe…”


  57. Larry Ledwick says:

    A perfect example of totalitarian PC in our schools of higher education.

    (you might want to mute the volume hard to follow the sub titles with the sound going for me)

  58. Larry Ledwick says:

    On Ukraine — plane crash this evening, waiting to see who was on the plane and what their connections to various people might be.

  59. Larry Ledwick says:

    Interesting chatter on twitter, it appears the Brian Epstein did some secret interview recordings and Project Veritas is going to break them tomorrow morning.

  60. Another Ian says:

    For something different

    “Look me in the eyes. I dare you”

  61. Another Ian says:

    A pretty good petty cash drawer

    “MUST WATCH! Breathtaking Revelations of Barack Obama’s Intelligence Chief Paying OVER A MILLION DOLLARS To Undercover Intelligence Asset Stefan Halper For Him To Target & Destroy Donald Trump & Michael Flynn. AMAZING!! @realDonaldTrump pic.twitter.com/oKv0czYxTc ”


  62. Larry Ledwick says:

    Ooops more all time low records for the fall. Looks like Northern Europe is also seeing record cold for this early in the winter season.


  63. E.M.Smith says:

    @Larry L:

    The interesting bit will be watching the Warmista side divide into the Ostrich Na Na Na folks, the oblivious confused, the deliberately misleading on the take, and the few pissed awakening…

    Hopfully a new found appreciation of the words “Globalist Hoax” will arise.

  64. Larry Ledwick says:

    Record low sea ice in the arctic for October (in the satellite era).


    (translation, with a quiet sun the arctic is now dumping enormous amounts of heat to the sky as wind conditions and sea oscillation conditions combine to keep abnormally warm water uncovered by ice as the arctic goes dark for the arctic winter)

    As I recall the last time we had one of these abnormally ice free autumn cycles there was a substantial flash freeze that caught the scientists by surprise at how quickly the ice built back up.

    Will be interesting to watch as the abnormally warm sea surface conditions change atmospheric circulations in the arctic, and a weakened jet stream allows more cold air outbreaks into the continental land masses of northern latitudes.

  65. Larry Ledwick says:

    Nice summary of why we have global wind circulations for students (PDF)

    Explains how temperature contrasts drive pressure differences which in turn drive wind circulations.


  66. Another Ian says:

    “Would you believe it ” of the day (IMO)!!

    “DOJ Makes Jaw-Dropping Admission in Flynn Case – Prosecution “Mistakenly” Attributed Wrong Notes to Wrong FBI Agents….”


  67. Another Ian says:

    In comments above it seems that a sample of handwriting that could be inconvenient has surfaced


    “Sidney Powell Responds to Prosecution “Mistake”…”


  68. E.M.Smith says:

    Hey, Larry, any update on that “Secret Interview” thing?

    Nothing in the “news” but we know that’s not saying much…

    And “Europe?”… aren’t you getting record snow near you, too?

  69. Larry Ledwick says:

    Sorry was busy with other stuff most of yesterday (voting etc.) and this item fell off my radar.
    It looks like he was referring to this.
    The major media knew about Epstein but refused to run the story.

  70. E.M.Smith says:

    Well this is a worry….


    The potential super volcano that I am most curious about at present is the steadily swelling Iwo-Jima caldera several hundred of miles off the southern coast of Japan. Within this volcano, the island of Iwo-Jima has been uplifted over one hundred twenty meters (approximately three hundred sixty feet) during the past four hundred years. The location where the US Marines first landed during the famous and bloody assault on the island of Iwo-Jima is now twenty meters (sixty feet) above sea level.

    60 feet uplift since WW.II ? That can’t keep up for long…

  71. Larry Ledwick says:

    Okay just throwing this out there for folks to file away, the first link is an off the wall site that claims the globalists want to kill off 6 billion people.

    It points to the second link and a report supposedly signed by 11,000 “scientists” that support aggressive action on climate change and is supposedly the cover document for the sinister plan referred to in the first link.

    It then reads into that report a mass eco-genocide plot.

    Almost sounds like the plot of a sci-fi story, but given totally crazy stuff we have seen recently there is a possibility their is a small kernel of truth here (ie Agenda 21 plan to turn the world in to a big vacation spa for the wealthy elite with a bunch of captive slave labor like in Hunger Games keeping them supplied with essentials).

    Could the anti meat vegan diet push merely be a profit making scheme for “big food” to make huge profits on cheap agricultural inputs, and getting rid of land intensive ranching to free up more crop land? Given patented seeds and all that there might be an element of truth to that, it is certainly not due to overwhelming evidence that a meat free diet is healthy.

    Just file this away as a data item for future reference – I quite frankly do not believe the first link but more and more lately we see stuff that just a few years ago was written off as wild rantings turning out to have some factual basis.



    Take the above the requisite and appropriate bag of salt.

  72. Larry Ledwick says:

    Trump rally LA RSBN video stream

  73. E.M.Smith says:

    @Larr L:

    Oh Dear… I’ve been distracted by systems stuff today and missed a Trump Rally posting opportunity….

    Per mass depopulation:

    There is significant evidence that a lot of highly placed people bought into the Ehrlich Population Bomb crap. He is still lauded and at Stanford, last I looked.

    It IS part of the dogma in many quarters (especially the “green” ones). It also shows up in lots of policy movements…

    So, IMHO, it is only a question of degree, not existence. They DO want depopulation, only questions are how much, and by what means. Enough to use force? Or only PSAs? Look at Planned Parenthood (that is really unplanned child killing). How much population eliminated?…

    Then there is that annoying nagging bit that we keep bumping into approved policies and government recommendations that consistently end up with bad health outcomes. Eat more omega 6 seed oils, don’t eat meat, stuff yourself with carbs? It look designed to kill off people…

    You can’t be 100% wrong by accident…

  74. Larry Ledwick says:

    Yep pretty much my feeling, that old “where there is smoke there is fire” sort of analysis. The off the centerline web pages often make extreme assertions, but too many times in general they get things right but blunder in the details and push the concept a bit too far or at least expose an item the media is studiously ignoring.

    People need to be careful not to throw out the baby with the bath water on these sorts of things, the sum total of all the bits and pieces pointing toward that sort of objective are too consistent over too long a period of time to just be rhetoric, there has to be a real agenda behind it.

    Things like a year or so ago investors like Warren Buffett of Berkshire Hathaway were gobbling up farm land all over the place. Since those guys are the type of folks that work on projects that have a 10 or 20 year pay off, you have to ask yourself why the sudden interest in crop land?

  75. Larry Ledwick says:

    … aren’t you getting record snow near you, too?

    Just up the hill in the mountains ski areas started making snow early and opening earlier than many expected. Average temps are below normal for the month of October by several degrees.
    (have freezing drizzle right now in the metro area)

    Not much in the way of major records but a clear trend toward a cold winter this season appears to be developing.

    October climate data = DPTR FM NORMAL: -7.2 deg F for the month
    Partial November climate data = DPTR FM NORMAL: -8.8 deg F for the month

  76. E.M.Smith says:


    Also record cold.

    The 63 inches of snowfall at Steamboat shattered its previous record of 40, while Breckenridge broke its old record of 46 inches when it hit 48. Keystone’s 44 inches beat the previous record according to the Denver Post. Meanwhile, Arapahoe Basin, which opened on Oct. 11, tweeted that its snowpack stands at 160% of average.

    With more than 40 inches of snowfall through October, Winter Park Resort opened on Saturday, Nov. 2, the earliest the resort has opened for skiing and riding.

    The record October snowfall has also prompted several other Colorado ski areas to open early.

    Also some record low temps

    With a high of only 18F, Denver broke its record low Oct. 29 max temp of 25F set in 1993, according to CPR News. Colorado Springs saw a high of 20F, beating its previous record of 24F set in 1991.



    Thanks to Jimmy Walter for these links

  77. Larry Ledwick says:

    Yep up in the mountains lots of good healthy snow, but the front range is relatively dry as is typical of this time of year.

    Have received a bit over 12 inches of snow in October, our annual average is about 55 or so depending on how wet or dry the snow is, so about 25% of our normal annual snow fall and still 5 months left in the typical snow season.

    Climate wise Colorado has 8 different river basins, that can have wildly different snow fall conditions.Northwest corner of the state is over 200% of normal for the date, and south central is at 41 % of normal for the date.


    by the way if you missed the Louisianna rally you missed this item (second video link)

  78. Another Ian says:

    I take it that he is a very, very distant relation?

  79. Larry Ledwick says:

    Interesting summary of 5G and where it is at and where they expect it to go.


  80. YMMV says:

    I had not been following 5G, so that is an interesting article.
    “190GB of monthly usage most homes now expect” — Really? Incredible! But maybe it’s just me out of step again.
    “easier for carriers to roll out than house-by-house fiber optic lines. Rather than digging up every street, carriers just have to install fiber optics to a cell site every few blocks, and then give customers wireless modems.” The last mile problem is down to the last 100 yards.
    driverless cars — “Basically, everything on the road will be talking to everything else.” If cars are still allowed by then.

    What the article does not mention is what’s the big deal with Huawei? Is it a Chinese trojan horse or what?

  81. E.M.Smith says:

    @Another Ian:

    At whom is that directed? Who’s relative?

  82. Another Ian says:

    The Kennedy link. That didn’t sound like the usual tribe

  83. Larry Ledwick says:

    Oh yes that is a bit confusing I was wondering if he was part of the JFK Kennedy clan but either not related or the black sheep of the clan. He is a Republican now was a Democrat up till 2007.
    Born in Centreville, Mississippi, so not of the Massachusetts clan.

    See his positions here

  84. Larry Ledwick says:

    Well this is interesting.
    The wheels of justice grind slowly but perhaps they will in time grind exceedingly fine.


  85. Larry Ledwick says:

    Since our school systems and media fail to preserve the catastrophe of Communism and Socialism, we need to make sure these atrocities are remembered and passed on to those too young to know, who thing socialism is just a free ride where everyone gets what they want.

  86. E.M.Smith says:


    High Def Television. Think 4 K to 3 TVs in the house…

    @Larry L:

    At some point some souls who have convinced themselves it was “just a job” or believed the hype of Hillary suddenly wake up and realize they are part of a Criminal Cartel… then they either leave quietly (IF they can…), embrace it anyway and just hunker down, or feel they have to “do the right thing”. Why do the Democrats so hate religion and morality? Might it be they fear people motivated to “do the right thing”?

  87. H.R. says:

    St. Greta will be in Charlotte NC for one of her Friday protests.

    The Houston Chronicle had a couple of paragraphs on the story. What was interesting was the comments. There were no comments. It seems nobody cares, at least in the Houston area.

    I didn’t link to anything because the links were to YSM outlets and I don’t want any of them to get the clicks.

    If you’re interested, tuck this in the back of your mind and search on Greta in Charlotte later today. Maybe the story will be on more outlets by then, some of which you can click on with a clean conscience.

    WUWT will probably run something on this. St. Greta articles are popular there although not for reasons St. Greta would appreciate.
    Who is paying for her trip to Charlotte? Is St. Greta collecting a fee for her appearance?

  88. jim2 says:

    Those dirty, rotten bastards!!!

    New York City is spreading its homeless crisis across the nation by quietly sending homeless people to other cities in the U.S., all without giving the receiving cities a heads up.

    The city has deployed local homeless families to 373 cities across the U.S.— from Honolulu to Louisiana— with a year’s worth of rent as part of Mayor Bill de Blasio’s “Special One-Time Assistance Program,” without alerting local officials in those cities, the New York Post reported.


  89. E.M.Smith says:


    St. Greta of the Gargoyle really blew it when she went all pouty faced tantrum angry and THAT was the clip played everywhere. We all know what a spoiled brat having a tantrum looks like… so she got shuffled to that bucket and the response to “tantrum” is “go to your room” and ignore the shouting, screaming, sobbing emotional blackmail sounds.

  90. H.R. says:

    E.M., it will be telling if later today, I do a search on Greta and Charlotte and little more comes up than was out there prior to her visit.

  91. Larry Ledwick says:

    A nice article on the fire environment in California and the historical blindness of the climate catastrophe crowd.


  92. E.M.Smith says:

    @Larry L:

    That’s a really good summary of the reality of California. I especially liked this bit:

    They fight access road construction, tree thinning, and brush removal. “It’s not natural,” they say..

    What is “natural” here is periodic catastrophic burns. The native plants are adapted to it. (Pinion Pine? One of them, requires it to sprout). Looks like redwoods too:


    Giant sequoias, found in the U.S. Sierra Nevada, require heat from fire to regenerate. Now, sometimes humans intervene in Yosemite National Park to help the process.

    So burns in Yosemite to make it more “natural” and help the Sequoia survive our fire suppression methods… Just think how long the Sequoia have been evolving with fire for that to be the case…

    This is a good article about other “benefits” from the fires. A sample:


    The native communities across California have been practicing traditional, controlled forest burning techniques for 13,000 years. From the great grasslands of central California to the salmon runs of the Klamath River, the Miwok, Yurok, Hupa, Karuk, and other nations have tended and provided for those plant and animal species that were useful to them. To do this, they created a patchwork of different ecological zones using low-intensity fire, creating niches that support California’s unbelievable biodiversity. Some of the California landscapes that look like pristine wilderness to the nonindigenous are actually human-modified ecosystems.

    And many species have come to depend on low-intensity fire at a genetic level. “We have fire-dependent species that coevolved with fire-dependent culture,” says Frank Lake, a US Forest Service research ecologist and Yurok descendant. “When we remove fire, we also take away the ecosystem services they produce.”

    Want a “natural” environment in California? Let it burn… or burn it in small patches when it is cooler so that you don’t get the giant killing conflagrations….

    A Yurok tribal member fishes for salmon using a dip-net at his traditional fishing grounds on the Klamath River in Northern California in late September. Declines in the spring salmon here have, at times, forced closures of the fishery. Historically, it is believed that smoke from indigenous burning shaded regional rivers during periods of the highest water temperatures, increasing the survival rate of spawning salmon. “The few degrees of cooling from the smoke can make a life or death difference for many of those fish,” says Lake.

    California is a land of, as mentioned, drought, flood, fire and earthquakes… And has been long enough for species to evolve that depend on just that.

    “Natural” California is very hostile to houses, people, children and other living things…

  93. Larry Ledwick says:

    Same story playing out in Australia, terrain ripe for massive wild fires, that could be mitigated by controlled burns in the wet season and fire break construction and thinning operations near structures but the greens won’t let it happen. After a generation of burning down whole settlements in both locations they will both “rediscover” the wisdom of the folks that pioneered those locations.

  94. H.R. says:

    Okay. Took one for the team.

    I did the Greta/Charlotte search and just one source came up which was the local rag, The Charlotte Observer.

    I thought I saw a clip from a local station, but the text descriptor was so bleah, meh, yawn that I didn’t bother to click

    It seems she drew a crowd of ~1,200-ish. She is not having much of an effect here in the States.


  95. YMMV says:

    Echoes of Boeing 737-MAX, but it’s not Boeing this time.

    “Just four minutes into the flight, contracted by American Airlines, the crew reported they were experiencing so-called “trim runaway.””

    As the plane’s nose started rising uncontrollably, the pilots stopped the climb and decided to turn back.

    “We’re in a stalling situation… We can’t pitch down. We’re trying to descend here,” pilots reportedly told the airport tower controller.

    As they headed for the runway, the plane’s nose rose again, bringing the machine into stalling situation, although the crew was trying to descend. Shortly before the touchdown, the plane pitched up even more and the aircraft began gaining altitude, so the crew had to make a turn and try to land again.

    After wrestling the malfunctioning aircraft for some 15 minutes, the crew finally was able to bring the plane to the ground in one piece.

    They dodged a bullet.

  96. jim2 says:

    YMMV says:
    8 November 2019 at 11:20 pm

    Yep, can’t wait till the roads are covered in “self” driving cars.

  97. H.R. says:

    Here’s an update on the cause of vaping illnesses and deaths. It looks to be a good source, as it’s by someone in the vape biz and they were just as concerned as everyone else. Nothing like having your business destroyed over something you are not doing.

    It seems we got it worked out correctly here, except for identifying the exact harmful additive. This update identifies the harmful additive.


  98. Steve C says:

    @H.R. – Yes indeed, this has been on the BBC radio news headlines all this morning. They were quoting a couple of thousand cases (wow!), and mentioned too that the ingredient is found in “cheaper” vaping oils, which seems to confirm the link with dodgy street CBD oils.

  99. Power Grab says:

    Our PBS station is broadcasting “Mr Smith Goes to Washington”. I’m watching it.

    It plays like the news since President Trump won in 2016.

  100. Larry Ledwick says:

    Not sure how many folks who hang out here are into fast cars but – – –
    I think I will have to see this at IMAX – looks like a fun movie and perfect for IMAX.
    (it is also a USA USA USA – sort of movie)
    Carrol Shelby was a legend and a classic can do American.

    I remember watching the Lemans dual live in 1965 it was absolutely glorias to see the Gulf Fords win the race 1 -2 -3


  101. E.M.Smith says:

    @Larry L:

    Never met a go-fast I didn’t like…

    Embarrassed to admit that the first actual drag race I ever went to (other than funny cars in the ’60s) was just a couple of years ago. It’s astounding what they do. Faster launch than a jet off the aircraft carrier and noise loud enough to vibrate the stadium clear up in the bleachers…

    One “tossed it’s cookies” out the exhaust stacks but was already past the marker at the end of the run so still scored nicely. IIRC the things turn something like 900 revs (that’s total revs…) from starting line to end, and at the end are dieseling on what’s left of the melting spark plugs…

  102. Another Ian says:

    Just happens I got this in an email this morning

    “What 10,000 horsepower does to a top fuel tire at launch.


    * One Top Fuel dragster 500 cubic-inch Hemi engine makes more horsepower (10,000 HP) than the first 5 rows at the Daytona 500.

    * Under full throttle, a dragster engine consumes 1.2-1.5 gallons of nitro methane per second; a fully loaded 747 consumes jet fuel at the same rate with 25% less energy being produced.

    * A stock Dodge Hemi V8 engine cannot produce enough power to merely drive the dragster’s supercharger.

    * With 3000 CFM of air being rammed in by the supercharger on overdrive, the fuel mixture is compressed into a near-solid form before ignition. Cylinders run on the verge of hydraulic lock at full throttle.

    * At the stoichiometric 1.7:1 air/fuel mixture for nitro methane the flame front temperature measures 7050 degrees F.

    * Nitromethane burns yellow. The spectacular white flame seen above the stacks at night is raw burning hydrogen, dissociated from atmospheric water vapor by the searing exhaust gases.

    * Dual magnetos supply 44 amps to each spark plug.
    This is the output of an arc welder in each cylinder.

    * Spark plug electrodes are totally consumed during a pass. After 1/2 way, the engine is dieseling from compression plus the glow of exhaust valves at 1400 degrees F. The engine can only be shut down by cutting the fuel flow.

    * If spark momentarily fails early in the run, unburned nitro builds up in the affected cylinders and then explodes with sufficient force to blow cylinder heads off the block in pieces or split the block in half.

    * Dragsters reach over 300 MPH before you have completed reading this sentence.

    * In order to exceed 300 MPH in 4.5 seconds, dragsters must accelerate an average of over 4 G’s. In order to reach 200 MPH well before half-track, the launch acce leration approaches 8 G’s.

    * Top Fuel engines turn approximately 540 revolutions from light to light!

    * Including the burnout, the engine must only survive 900 revolutions under load.

    * The redline is actually quite high at 9500 RPM.

    * THE BOTTOM LINE: Assuming all the equipment is paid off, the crew worked for free, & for once, NOTHING BLOWS UP, each run costs an estimated $1,000 per second.

    0 to 100 MPH in .8 seconds (the first 60 feet of the run)
    0 to 200 MPH in 2.2 seconds (the first 350 feet of the run)
    6 g-forces at the starting line (nothing accelerates faster on land)
    6 negative g-forces upon deployment of twin ‘chutes at 300 MPH An NHRA Top Fuel Dragster accelerates quicker than any other land vehicle on earth . . quicker than a jet fighter plane . . . quicker than the space shuttle.

    The current Top Fuel dragster elapsed time record is 4.420 seconds for the quarter-mile (2004, Doug Kalitta). The top speed record is 337.58 MPH as measured over the last 66′ of the run (2005, Tony Schumacher).

    Putting this all into perspective:

    You are driving the average $140,000 Lingenfelter twin-turbo powered Corvette Z06. Over a mile up the road, a Top Fuel dragster is staged & ready to launch down a quarter-mile strip as you pass. You have the advantage of a flying start. You run the ‘Vette hard up through the gears and blast across the starting line & pass the dragster at an honest 200 MPH. The ‘tree’ goes green for both of you at that moment.

    The dragster launches & starts after you. You keep your foot down hard, but you hear an incredibly brutal whine that sears your eardrums & within 3 seconds the dragster catches & passes you.
    He beats you to the finish line, a quarter-mile away from where you just passed him. Think about it – from a standing start, the dragster had spotted you 200 MPH & not only caught, but nearly blasted you off the road when he passed you within a mere 1320 foot long race!

    That’s acceleration!”

  103. Another Ian says:

    And shades of that mathematical proof that heavier than air flight was impossible:
    IIRC there was such discussion in motoring magazines in the 1960’s as to whether more than 1G was attainable

  104. A C Osborn says:

    Larry Ledwick says: 10 November 2019 at 5:10 am “I remember watching the Lemans dual live in 1965 it was absolutely glorias to see the Gulf Fords win the race 1 -2 -3”

    Larry, I also remember it well, I joined Fords UK in 1969 and where I worked in the Swansea Plant we had part of the Ford Car Museum, which our department looked after.
    We had a Gulf Mirage Le man winning car, the Batmobile, a Ford GT40, Many world ralyl winning Fords (mostly Escorts & Sierras) and a Ford RS200, which was developed to compete with the BL Metro GR4, but they changed the rules so it never raced in B class World Rally competitions.
    I sat in all the ones that I was allowed to of course.
    We also had one a replica of one of the first Ford cars ever built shown on page 3 of the attached Swansea Plant Archive.

    When the Plant closed they were moved elsewhere and most of them can now be seen stored here


  105. Larry Ledwick says:

    An historical note to keep in mind today, as we watch the hard left Coup against the President evolve and constant attacks and vandalism of private property of Trump supporters which goes unreported or is not investigated by law enforcement.


  106. Larry Ledwick says:

    @A C Osborn says:
    10 November 2019 at 4:58 pm


    If you ever find yourself in the neighborhood of Boulder Colorado you might want to set aside a Saturday morning to drop by at the Shelby Museum in Gunbarrel. They have several of the real deal cars of that era.


  107. Larry Ledwick says:

    One more bit to lock up HRC.

  108. p.g.sharrow says:

    The roots of the Department of State were founded before the United State Federal government was founded and have been a secondary government all along.
    Their internal motto is “Administrations come and go but we are here forever” The State Department is the dark state that manipulates the government for the benefit of the Elite Ruling Class. The Central Intelligence Agency has always been headed by a member of that Elite. They are protected by “Top Secret” and “Need to Know” from any investigations.
    Up until the Obamanation/Clinton organization took over The FBI was a thorn in their side but generally honorable until their headquarters became staffed by the Elite / CIA people. The CIA has dirt on much of the Washington DC leadership and have plants everywhere. They have their noses into the trough of every department’s budget. Their own funding as well as a huge drug running operation for pocket change. When the Clintons came to the presidency the CIA had just been caught with $6 Billion in off the books bank accounts. That little thing just disappeared with the Clinton administration along with several investigations into the Drug operations….pg

  109. jim2 says:

    Hey Larry, here’s another reason to have a good pair of binoculars handy ;)

    A Colorado woman charged with indecent exposure for playing Frisbee topless has been awarded a $50,000 settlement — the first damage settlement for a woman in the U.S wrongfully charged with being topless, local media reports.

    Effie Krokos, a 20-year-old student, says the situation began on Sept. 26 when she was playing Frisbee in her fiance’s front yard in the 1100 block of Second Street Southeast in Loveland, Colo., while topless.


  110. Larry Ledwick says:

    Yes sometimes you can see tetons in Colorado when back packing and such. Now the possiblity exists to see them in the major cities. I always enjoy viewing nature.

    Got a bit of snow last night.

  111. E.M.Smith says:

    You say moving to Colorado is, um, “better”, instead of Florida, eh?…

    Maybe a national “movement:” is in order… now that there is legal precedent…

    Well of course there’s a web page dedicated to the question:


    Looks like more are green by far than orange or red. Unfortunately, Florida is Orange. California has a topless section of the Santa Cruz Beach since at least the ’80s that I know of, so no surprise about California… Or, really Lousianna either (Mardi Gras…) but Texas is green? Oh, man, cowboy boots and line dancing with … And Alaska for folks who don’t mind a bit of goose bumps…

    Just Utah, Indiana, and Tennessee are red. (And Mexico).

    Canada is green too, but looks a bit risky in some provinces, maybe:

    In Canada, the law on public decency is found in Sections 173 and 174 of the Criminal Code. However, what constitutes an indecent act is not defined, and is open to interpretation by the courts. Topfreedom is allowed in Ontario, Sasketchawen and British Columbia following specific court cases on the matter but the case for topless equality has not been heard by the Canadian Supreme Court yet.

    The following cities are officially topless “tested”:

    Asheville, NC
    Austin, TX,
    Boulder, CO
    Columbus, OH
    Eugene, OR
    Honolulu, HI
    Keene, NH
    Key West, FL at Fantasy Fest
    Madison, WI,
    New Orleans, LA, at Mardi Gras
    New York City
    Portland, Or,
    Santa Fe, NM
    South Miami Beach, FL (on the beach)
    Washington, DC

    It is also legal to be topless in public in the following countries:


    Well, nice to know…

  112. H.R. says:

    Lessee here… blackflies in Summer and hypothermia in Winter. It may be legal, but who in their right mind would want to go topless in Canada?

    I think it’s more a matter of, “Well, I could if I wanted to, but I don’t want to.”

  113. Larry Ledwick says:

    The following cities are officially topless “tested”:

    Asheville, NC
    Austin, TX,
    Boulder, CO

    Yes even many years ago, it was not uncommon to see college coeds hiking topless west of boulder near NCAR.

    The recent free the nipple movement is part of this and many locations have laws on nudity that say more or less if it is not done explicitly to arouse others sexually or to offend them, it is legal, although this is one of those very grey areas of law that gets enforced or not enforced depending on the personal bias of both the persons who might report it and the officer who might enforce it.

    In the 1970’s there were a couple night clubs in down town Denver where some of the patrons danced nude. The laws and public acceptance of public nudity in varying degrees has been undergoing a long standing slow change toward a more European live and let live approach, although the current immigration crisis in Europe will bring that to a screeching halt in the near future.




  114. philjourdan says:

    I guess it was the 2 years I spent in Europe back in the 70s, but women/topless is not a big thing to me. I have found that those who usually do go topless are the ones that should not.

  115. Larry Ledwick says:

    The Chinese financial collapse is beginning



  116. H.R. says:

    philjourdan: “I have found that those who usually do go topless are the ones that should not.”

    That gave me a smile. The wife and I went to a Jamaican resort, couples only and no kids allowed. Their clientele was from all over so they had a nude beach where no swimsuits were allowed, and a must-have-all-the-pieces-of-the-swimsuit-in-the-right-places beach. Good solution to not offending either half of your guests, eh? Suit yourself or not, so to speak.

    My wife and I were laying out with our umbrella drinks and we were having a heck of a time deciding if this one person catching some rays while lying on their back was some guy with awful manboobs or a woman ignoring the topless rules on the swimsuits-required beach where we were.

    It was becoming somewhat comical to us because we really, really couldn’t tell. Wagers were made and reversed several times by both of us.

    The question was settled after about 15 minutes when someone on the resort staff came over very discretely and spoke to the person, who took a moment to put on the top half of her two-piece swimsuit after the staffer left.

    My wife and I came to the same conclusion you did in your post. Some women should not go topless, especially if they’re likely to be mistaken for a man with a manboob problem.

    We still laugh about that one. Un-For-Gettable.

  117. Larry Ledwick says:

    That is going to get more complicated now in our multi-gendered world, what does the discrete employee say when the sun bather tells them “it” identifies as a grand piano and the rules don’t apply?

  118. H.R. says:

    This was Jamaica, not the US. Otherwise, the incident would have already been several years along the road to the US Supreme Court.

    Anyhow, if it was a guy with manboobs being asked to put on a top, I’m sure even in Jamaica the resort would have been sued to penury.

    Ya got me wondering, though. Did the staff member ask the person to discreetly lift the waistband on the suit to definitively settle the innie/outie question? I dunno. This is delicate stuff for a resort.

  119. YMMV says:

    Brexit news: Election gift for Johnson

    Nigel Farage’s Brexit Party pulled out of 317 Conservative-held seats in a bid to prevent opponents of Brexit controlling the next parliament.

    he said a video showing Johnson pledging not to extend the post-Brexit transition period beyond the end of 2020 had changed his mind. “I thought to myself overnight, that actually sounds a bit more like the Brexit that we voted for”

  120. jim2 says:

    Here’s something to brighten up an otherwise dreary day! More like this needs to happen and often.

    Female MMA fighter Tara LaRosa subdued an anti-Trump protester after the activist allegedly started a fight at a flag-waving rally honoring veterans in Portland, Oregon, on Sunday.

    A group donning “Make America Great Again” hats participated in a flag-waving ceremony in honor of veterans “on the 12th Avenue overpass across I-84” on Sunday – a ceremony which attracted opposition.


  121. Larry Ledwick says:

    Assuming this is true, this is interesting/horrifying/spooky – not sure what descriptor to use here.

  122. E.M.Smith says:

    The FBI has wanted Total Information Awareness since at least yhe 1980s. All it took was for Obama to let them.

    FWIW, we just canceled Netflix. Went to the Disney Hulu ESPN bundle instead. They added the Fox bundle from their acquisition, so I’m now watching The Orville again 8-)

  123. jim2 says:

    Larry Ledwick says:
    12 November 2019 at 9:36 pm

    So, what you are saying is that even with all the information they could get their grubby fat hands on, they still couldn’t get rid of Trump. That is a ray of hope.

  124. Power Grab says:

    Update on the recent visit by a co-worker from the past…the laptop this time was a Mac. Not having worked on Macs since, oh, several decades ago, I said we should go to the nearest place here where we can find at least semi-competent Mac experts. They forgot we had that here. ;-) So we went there and found the non-tech-but-behind-the-counter guy. He called his “real” tech and got some advice.

    While we were there, the counter guy said that he was going to clean off the malware. The owner of the laptop didn’t even know that was a current issue, but agreed that needed to be done. The main issue they wanted help with was to offload some of the huge library of photos to free up space on the hard drive. One spouse used the laptop for email, and the other spouse stored tons of pictures on it. The pictures needed to be moved so the email would work again.

    When the pictures had been copied off to an external hard drive, they were no longer in their albums that had been set up on the Mac. The pictures were all just individual files in the one directory. So the external hard drive will have to have directories created manually before the pictures are copied over. I don’t have to do that. ;-)

    Well, before we parted, to make sure we had each other’s phone number, I called one of the numbers I already had and it rang on one of their phones. So they now have my number and tagged it.

    The reason I’m telling all this is that since that day, I’ve had some concerning things happen on my phone. The next day I got a text from (I assume) a spoofed text source that asked if I was going to attend some event at some venue out of town, and did I want them to make me a reservation. The tone of the text was that it was a follow-up to something previous, which was bogus. I probably should have ignored it, but I asked, “Who are you and where did you get this number?” No reply was forthcoming, of course. The next day I received an Outlook invite for the invite. There were 3 names in it, an address, and a time. The venue exists, but I had no interest in attending, not the least because of the arctic front that came through and would have made attendees miserable because the event was scheduled to take place after dark at a venue that is exposed to the weather. So I declined. Again, looking back, I probably should have just ignored it.
    Today I received another text from the same likely-bogus source saying they would see me tonight at the event. Wrong again. I didn’t reply this time.

    I do not publicize my phone numbers. I don’t know why they have started targeting me. Could it be because my friend’s Mac and one/both spouse’s email and phone(?) were linked and my number was picked up by the malware on the laptop?

    QUESTION: Is this serious enough that I should get a different phone and/or phone number?

    My phone is rather old and two–no, three?– newer generations have been released since I bought it. I don’t care to stay on the bleeding edge of technology. There were known battery problems with the next-newest phone model when I purchased mine. That’s why I bought the older model. I don’t really want one of the larger phones because I’m limited in the size of things I can put in my pockets or other carriers.

    Today I did find a couple of juicy web sites when I did a search for the names I saw on the event invitation. By juicy, I mean they appeared to have lots of folks reporting how crooked the folks were who apparently are targeting me now. Their scam is that they purport to hold “summits” for various types of executives, but when people have called the venues to see if it was on the up and up, they have been told they never heard of the organizers. Some people have said they attended the events and felt it was a total waste of time, money, and travel. At the same time, and on the same pages, there were folks refuting the reports by responding repeatedly to each accusation.

    Crooked actors never give up these days, do they?

    That’s why I keep saying today’s unrest is Of the Media, By the Media, and For the Media.

    AOC answered a casting call, remember?

  125. Larry Ledwick says:

    Looks like yet another important sea surface temperature driven climate behavior.
    Indian Ocean warm pool (IOWP) variations and their effect on the climate near India and Australia.


    And Indian Ocean Dipole

  126. H.R. says:

    @Power Grab – I get phone spam on a daily basis on my land line and the spam comes in batches on my cell phone.

    In all cases, the key to stopping it is to never respond and better yet, never answer in the first place. If by chance, you pick up and it’s spam/scam, hang up as soon as you realize it. Since you picked up and responded, the scammers know they potentially have a ‘live one’ and will keep calling for a while.

    If it’s a robo-call fishing for live numbers where it’s a recording saying “Please press # for… something”, then anyone who does press a number will get a live call later.

    If it’s a live scam caller using auto-dial to line up calls, there is always a delay after you answer and when they see that you have picked up. My wife always hangs up in that 2-3 second delay. I wait until they say “Hello?” and say nothing until they give up. Other times, I mess with them.

    In all cases, the point is to waste their time. The spammers/scammers fully expect the hangups and that’s good for them. It’s a numbers game and they can quickly move on to the next call. When you have the time to engage and waste their time (yes it’s wasting your time, too) and at the end of it all, they come up empty and realize you’ll never bite and are deliberately wasting their time, I’ve found that they will often blacklist your number and I never get calls for that particular scam again.

    The calls I like best are the robo-calls that start out “Don’t hang up..” CLICK!

    Anyhow, If I were to get a live call like you did, I typically make it clear that I’m not going to do anything over the phone. I tell them I don’t do any business over the phone with anyone that where I didn’t initiate the call, but I’d be happy to consider their offering if they mail me the information. If asked for my address, I tell them to use the address they have on file as they must have it, along with my phone number, “Thanks for calling. Bye”.

    This goes under the ‘wasting their time’ category, and you usually get blacklisted by them, but if it happens that it was legit then you’ll get a mailing. Four or five (six?) years ago, I actually got a letter and info; “Dear H.R., I’m following up on our phone call. Here is the info you asked me to send.” I was gobsmacked! It was a local insurance guy who did have name, phone, and address and was coldcalling people in his territory. I still get his mailings about twice/year, but no calls!

  127. E.M.Smith says:

    I’ve gone to a strick white list. IF my phone knows your name (in my contacts) I answer. Otherwise “leave a message” and if I care I might call back….

    Couple of years ago a friend with a land line started the Time Waster. He’d answer and “play along” with “please tell me more” and “I just have one more question” and such. After about 10 minutes the sales critter asked something like “are you ready to sign up yet?” again… Friend said “Oh no. I’m never going to buy your product. I’m just wasting your time so you can’t bother someone else.” THEY hung up and junk calls mysteriously reduced a lot after that….

  128. Power Grab says:

    @ HR and EM:

    Thanks for the quick replies. I don’t answer calls from numbers I don’t recognize. This interaction was by text and Outlook invite. The only interaction I gave them was the text where I asked who it was and where did they get my number, and where I declined the Outlook invite. I have set my texting function to not display anything else from that number, although I’m sure it was bogus because it had an easy-to-recognize pattern.

    I’m thinking I need to call my friend with the laptop and bring up the subject of his changing his password(s).

  129. Larry Ledwick says:

    Hmmm this seems appropriate to today’s hearings.

  130. Larry Ledwick says:

    If this checks out sounds like these docs could be very interesting.

  131. Larry Ledwick says:

    Is the major media even covering the rocket attacks in Israel?

  132. E.M.Smith says:

    @Larry L:

    Not yhat I know of, but I’ve stopped watch MSM stuff… I did see it covered, but I think that was on RT… or maybe Sky. (Tem and France24 are about all I’ve looked at the last day or two, plus some youtubes of Fox commentators but that’s not news. Just Impeach Screech stuff.

  133. E.M.Smith says:

    Rueters has it (after about 16 minutes of other stuff including Greta on a boat to Spain, two stories of flooding in Europe spun to tear down Boris, Hong Kong protesters now using bow & arrows and 2 bits promoting impeachment, oh, and stories on leadership issues in Venezuela spun to make Brazil’s Nationalist leader look bad and Bolivia changing leaders… for about 60 seconds headlined as “Palastinians bury their dead” or similar).

    I’ll check ABC NSC CBS next

  134. E.M.Smith says:

    Not on Roku ABC, CBS or NBC news, though for CBS I didn’t exhaustivly search. After the first several pages I figured scrolling to thd end of each line was unlikely to be a normal behaviour….

    Only one story on the Mudwest Storm on each, but lots and lots of Impeach Screech Spin and more Gretra Does Spain on a boat….

  135. Larry Ledwick says:

    Perhaps that is the single most important thing that the internet has done, (and in the process outed the media). Now for the first time in history people who do not have direct personal connections to events can see how much important “news” the major media not only don’t cover but actively bury or intentionally misrepresent.

    “They” thought the internet could be used to indoctrinate the people and in the process accidentally exposed their long standing manipulation of the news to millions.

    The major media has killed their golden goose.

  136. Larry Ledwick says:

    Looks like here is the foreign document drop that was supposed to be released at 5:00 pm pacific time.

  137. Larry Ledwick says:

    Meanwhile in the noble savage department – Native cultures were not all dancing in the meadows and revering nature.


  138. E.M.Smith says:

    Yeah, fun thing is, you can now jump right to the geolocation
    Jewish Telegraphic Agency…

    I had Israeli news on the Satellite, maybe I ought to see if there’s a Roku ap… I’d A/B them and Al Jazeera and pretty much each told what the other left out, the USA often leaving out all of it…)


    Yup, I24 is there… guess what I’m adding next :-)

    Though in comments it says ”

    QuarterN • 3 years ago
    Note, this app has been replaced with IsraTV (https://my.roku.com/add/Isr… which contains about 50 live TV & Radio streams incl I24 (tv)

    So some search required…

  139. jim2 says:

    I watched the CBS “analysis” of the impeachment hearing. They laughed it up as they described a colleague speaking with Trump on the phone, noting he is a loud and boisterous New Yorker … yuk yuk. This give cover to the fact that the diplomat whose conversation with Trump probably announced who was on the call and put it on speaker for his co-workers. They otherwise spun what they could in the Dimowits favor. This is such an ass-hat, clown circus.

  140. E.M.Smith says:

    Looks like they have a web page:

    But either it is very high page weight (so I timed out) or Brave on android doesn’t like it.

  141. Larry Ledwick says:

    Hmmm it is a valid url

    Whois Lookup
    i24news.tv is already registered*
    Domain Name: I24NEWS.TV
    Domain ID: 102036684
    WHOIS Server: whois.gandi.net
    Referral URL: http://www.gandi.net
    Updated Date: 2016-10-14T04:26:31Z
    Creation Date: 2012-11-13T23:26:54Z
    Registry Expiry Date: 2017-11-13T23:26:54Z
    Sponsoring Registrar: GANDI SAS
    Sponsoring Registrar IANA ID: 81
    Domain Status: clientTransferProhibited https://icann.org/epp#clientTransferProhibited
    Name Server: NS0.NBS-SYSTEM.COM
    Name Server: NS1.NBS-SYSTEM.COM
    DNSSEC: unsigned
    >>> Last update of WHOIS database: 2016-11-03T08:52:40Z <<<

    I cannot ping or run a traceroute from where I am but it is either over loaded due to what is going on or perhaps getting blocked somewhere????


  142. E.M.Smith says:

    They have a youtube channel, and other browsers are saying unable to resolve address.

    I suspect a DNS block.


  143. E.M.Smith says:

    Nslookup on http://www.i24news.tv gives server can’t find NXDOMAIN

    Sure looking like dos via dns.

  144. E.M.Smith says:

    Their Youtube works:

  145. Larry Ledwick says:

    Their twitter is also available. (found link to it from the tail of the video

    I wonder if their site is accessible by IP?

  146. E.M.Smith says:

    IF there were a way to know the IP…

  147. jim2 says:

    That site works for me.

  148. jim2 says:

    ping http://www.i24news.tv
    PING http://www.i24news.tv(2606:4700:30::681f:4316 (2606:4700:30::681f:4316)) 56 data bytes
    64 bytes from 2606:4700:30::681f:4316 (2606:4700:30::681f:4316): icmp_seq=1 ttl=55 time=57.7 ms

  149. E.M.Smith says:

    Looks like it depends on which DNS server. I pointed at The Big One:

    root@OdroidN2:~# nslookup www.i24news.tv
    Non-authoritative answer:
    Name:	www.i24news.tv
    Name:	www.i24news.tv
    Name:	www.i24news.tv
    Address: 2606:4700:30::681f:4216
    Name:	www.i24news.tv
    Address: 2606:4700:30::681f:4316

    And there it is…

  150. E.M.Smith says:

    Interesting, won’t let me connect direct via IP:

    Error 1003 Ray ID: 535631ce6ce092e6 • 2019-11-14 04:20:43 UTC
    Direct IP access not allowed
    What happened?
    You've requested an IP address that is part of the Cloudflare network. A valid Host header must be supplied to reach the desired website.
    What can I do?
    If you are interested in learning more about Cloudflare, please visit our website.
    Cloudflare Ray ID: 535631ce6ce092e6 • 

    So there’s that, then…

    (And who you calling a compulsive support debugger ;-)

  151. E.M.Smith says:

    OK, with that, and looking up Cloudflare, I’d guess it is a Cloudflare “issue” and either they are having troubles, or have someone inside who’s peeved at Israel at the moment… They stand between the actual site and the customer and do DoS protection, among other things, so either the DDOS protection if failing or they are broken in some way…

    Or only some DNS providers are screwed up and that’s the issue…

  152. E.M.Smith says:

    I’m west coast near Cloudflare, Larry L. is Colorado, so likely served from the same site. Jim2, are you East coast, so likely a different Cloudflare facility?

  153. E.M.Smith says:

    Installed the i24news ap on the Roku and watching it now. Nice.

    Recorded news saying between 360 (news crawler) and 400 (voice) rockets fired at Israel with 90% success at intercepts by Iron Dome. No deaths, few injuries. Hamas sittig it out, only Islamic Jihad engaged.

    There’s a monthly subscription for “live” news, but what I think it just hours old to maybe 1 day is free.

  154. Larry Ledwick says:

    I can see http://www.i24news.tv if I use tor browser ;)

    It also works from home now on brave browser so perhaps just a temporary overload of cloudflare.

  155. A C Osborn says:

    In the UK ican see http://www.i24news.tv using Firefox.

  156. H.R. says:

    Attention E.M. and others that might be interested.

    Dan Bongino is supposed to be interviewing President Trump tomorrow.

    I got that from comments while checking out the Treehouse daily political open thread, so no confirmation by me, though I wouldn’t be surprised.

    No other details as to where or when, besides it supposedly being tomorrow.

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  158. Larry Ledwick says:

    I assume all you folks know that there has been another school shooting this morning in Santa Clarita Ca. Early info shooter was 15 year old student (?) one female dead 4-5 others injured.
    Shooter shot himself.

    Shooter was Asian kid wearing all black.
    No word yet officially but this looks like angry kid attacks girl who snubbed him but will be a while before useful info comes out.

    Of course they are already ranting about gun control even though the shooter clearly broke gun laws to do this and was too young to possess a gun legally.

    Starting timer for 24 hour wait for good info to come out.


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