Yet Another Government Corruption or Medical Fringe?

This is a video from a year ago. An interview with Dr. Judy Mikovits. She did early research on AIDS, retroviruses and more. She had a “run in” with Dr. Fauci “back when” and was essentially crushed by the Powers That Be for what is either exposing their scandalous behavior OR being a bit fringey and not getting things right while stepping on powerful toes.

I’m not sure which way this one falls. It’s a giant Dig Here! right at a time when I’ve got too little time to do another one and I’m falling behind on all the other stuff I’m supposed to be doing.

FWIW, I’ve had upper division genetics and have mostly kept up on the technology. I can say that everything she says about how viruses and genetics works is correct. At least as of my last “personal update” a few years back. Also when she discusses the history of diseases they match my personal recollection of that bit of history. Finally, neither of these two doctors set off my BS Detector. I’ve seen Mercola before somewhere and IIRC he’s one of the M.D.s who likes natural cures for things if possible, so probably ran afoul of some other drug company interests for that.

In general, the thesis of the interview is that Fauci was more than happy to use levers of power to cover up things for powerful interests as long as The Right People got credit in publishing and made money. Patients be damned. In particular, it is about retroviruses of animal origin in the vaccine production process, and then when introduced to people, causing chronic diseases.

Toward the end there’s a mention of the Autism / Vaccine “controversy” so depending on what side of that you fall on it will shout “Quack!” or “Hero!”. As you don’t get a pandemic from a genetic disposition the rise from 1:10,000 to 1:80 says to me something either contagious or environmental, and that it’s global AND coherent with high vaccination countries, I lean toward “something sporadically not right in our medical care” (exactly what TBD)… but I’m not willing to toss out vaccines as causal just yet. Companies, and people, are not perfect.

As it is from a year ago, it is pre-Covid Chinese Wuhan Virus. Yet the same players and another retrovirus are the focus again today. In that context, I think the history matters.

IF what is said / accused is true, it lends a lot of credence to the ideas of suppressing HCQ and similar existing cures, while pushing hard on “vaccines” with huge ADE Antibody Dependent Enhancement risks (since SARS-COV-1 did just that). IF in fact Fauci has a history of playing just for the personal win and win for corporate sponsors, that starts to explain a lot of the not-quite-right decisions. Letting the virus run in the early introductions. Don’t let a treatment go into general use early. Got to build up enough demand for the vaccine… and lots of publishing rights.

If it is not true, then it’s just sour grapes from someone who had a rocky road in life and lost credentialing from bad decisions.

BUT:

Given that we’ve now seen:

Rampant collusion and fraud in Climate Science, publication, editors, etc.
Rampant corruption in Federal Agencies – FBI, DOJ, et. al.
Rampant power plays from the UN on any / all fronts.
It’s All About The Benjamins – DNC and friends, China Bribo, etc.

I find it ever harder to just accept “Trust me, I’m an authority”. In fact, given the history of the last decade or so, I’m more inclined to use “Statements From Authority” as a negative indicator. For example, I will NEVER say anything to an FBI agent other than “I will need a lawyer, please.” Then I’ll want my lawyer to record any conversations with said folks. We now know that “302s” are fraudulent and will be used as “exemplars of truth” unless you have counter evidence.

So the question becomes:

Is the CDC, FDA, et. al. at least at the leadership level just as corrupt as the whole Climate Science Brigade, the DOJ, the FBI, etc.?

I’m not seeing any real evidence to the contrary…

So with that, here’s the interview. Maybe it’s just a quack with a gripe. Maybe it’s an honest M.D. crushed by the Powers That Be for threatening the Grand Game and all that loverly money and prestige…

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90 Responses to Yet Another Government Corruption or Medical Fringe?

  1. Annie says:

    I watched a small part of a video where she came across as a quack, so I haven’t bothered to watch any more. But, I’ve seen a lot of people posting videos of her, so who knows? Maybe she was good at what she does once but now is heading toward dementia so the older videos are good but the current ones are not? Maybe she’s the controlled opposition mixing just enough real stuff with just enough BS to keep people confused? Maybe I’m just full of it and she was right in what she said and is not a quack? Who knows.

  2. p.g.sharrow says:

    I would have to agree. That Dr. Fauci and company set off my bs meter as well. Seems everything he champions is counter indicated by facts on the ground and he perseveres in his wrong headedness. Only an agenda can explain all of this. All of the push seems to be in the direction of Mandatory inoculation of one and only one Authorized Provider to be “Allowed” to function in their New World. …pg

  3. Canadian Friend says:

    I have read Dr Judy Mikovits second book

    she provides evidence that what she says is true, for example a press release by a company called CERUS that is into purifying blood, and they quote the FDA that says the same as Dr Mikovits ; that XMRV was found in over 80 % of people who suffer from Chronic Fatigue Syndrome

    of course later Dr Fauci had people do tests that were designed to fail ; they used a man made retrovirus called VP62 that does react the same way as nature made XMRV

    Dr Mikovits had used the real retrovirus called XMRV.

    that way – by using a low quality ” equivalent” retrovirus – they were able to say ; we can NOT reproduce the results DrMikovits claims she obtained thus what she says is false

    that is like putting lawn mower wheels on a Ferrari, then testing it and then saying ; we can not obtain the same results Ferrari obtained on the circuit thus Ferrari is lying their car can not take curves at high speed very well

    they not only cheated to make Dr Mikovits look like a liar ( they did that because had they agreed she was right, there would have been hundreds of thousands of people suing vaccine companies ) they also confiscated her research, then fired her

    they ruined her, they destroyed her carreer because she had found a link between a few diseases and vaccines grown on mouse brains ( google it; it is 100 % true, some vaccines are grown using mice brains )

    they destroyed her to protect themselves from lawsuits

    and now that she is making a come back they have a huge smear campaign going on…articles and videos are popping up everywhere in which they call her a criminal, a crazy person, and they even lie and say she is not a real scientist.

    she is fighting people that have Billions of dollars that they don t want to lose

    of course all the media, all the left wing bloggers and all the tech giants are teaming up ( colluding ) and smearing her until she goes away…or is found “””suicided””” or drown in some river

    they are trying a bit too hard to destroy, that tells you she is telling truths that scare the stuff out of them

    they could lose Billion$, they will do anything to make her go away

  4. billinoz says:

    E M The USA response to the COVID 19 ( CCP Corona Virus ) has from the start seemed disjointed and ineffective. That has puzzled me. But your remarks provide a context and ahistory which make ‘sense’ of it.

    Personally I’m glad I am not living there in the USA. But regret I have family there who could be impacted badly.

  5. H.R. says:

    Canadian Friend: “they are trying a bit too hard to destroy, that tells you she is telling truths that scare the stuff out of them”

    Yep. That right there is a clue. Note that over on WUWT right now there’s an article on the Climate Cabal’s efforts to destroy Dr. Willie Soon.

    Same, same.

  6. Julian Jones says:

    Dr. Judy Mikovits made her PLAGUE OF CORRUPTION book available for FREE to all to read :
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bVMDuN9w8dPmZ0lHwwpzucpiXKD2TsCL/view

  7. gallopingcamel says:

    Fake Science rules! Anyone who dissents from the government position is crushed without mercy.

    People like Michael Mann get showered with research contracts while Willy Soon, Sally Baliunas, Fred Singer, Patrick Michaels, John Christy and Roy Spencer suffer personal attacks. The last two people named had their offices shot up.

    Now we have petty tyrants like Fauci strutting around on TV telling us one lie after another about COVID-19 and anyone who dissents is attacked by the corrupt media. I don’t know whether Judy Mikovits is telling the truth but the fact that she ticks off all the right people makes me want to know more.

    Drugs are far more expensive in the USA than in any other country. It is not a matter of 10% higher or 50% higher but 10 times higher, 50 times higher or even more. This situation is primarily a result of price gouging by “Big Pharma” actively abetted by the FDA. Congress is asleep at the switch owing to the immense clout of an industry that spends about $400 million per year on lobbying (equivalent to over $700,000 per legislator).

    Thus it troubled me when Dr. Fauci lightly dismissed HydroxyChloroQuine (HCQ) as a potential treatment for COVID-19. Instead he advocates vaccines and Remdesovir. Efficacious vaccines eradicated small pox altogether and reduced polio to 35 cases in the entire world last year. The trouble with efficacious vaccines is that sales eventually dry up.

    Flu vaccines are typically 40% efficacious so they won’t eradicate the disease…..sales will go on for ever. That explains why Big Pharma loves vaccines of low efficacy. The solutions that Fauci supports have something in common. They will boost the profits of Big Pharma and line the pockets of people in government at the expense of the sick. Does Fauci himself have a “Conflict of Interest”? Apparently I am not the only person to suspect that.
    https://www.wnd.com/2020/05/tony-fauci-trojan-horse-tyranny/?fbclid=IwAR06z0XZmxlVf_Uzfsyn6P3-5Q9GbON1APdV4DH_7VKUG5fHbuSznF4OBQE

    Here is a video in which a virologist makes serious charges against Dr. Fauci and Dr. Redfield (Director of the CDC).
    [video src="https://blogg.com//wp-content/uploads/2020/05/PLANDEMIC_pt1_Judy_Mikovits.mp4" /]

    It only took a matter of hours for YouTube to take the video down and a bunch of smears directed against Dr. Mikovits to appear on the Internet. She was described as “Anti-vaccination” even though that is the exact opposite of the truth as she explains in the video. I find Dr. Mikovits convincing but she is not testifying under oath. When Dr. Fauci testifies before the US senate next Tuesday, Dr. Mikovits should have an opportunity to testify as well. Stories tend to change when lying can lead to jail time.

  8. gallopingcamel says:

    It seems unlikely that Fauci will testify on Tuesday, May 12 since he is in special quarantine. I suspect his unavailability has more to do with Judy Mikovits than the coronavirus.

  9. gallopingcamel says:

    Obama did great job handling the 2009 H1N1 ‘flu epidemic that infected 60,714,887 people according to the official count. Given that this is a “Non-Reportable” disease, many people (including this camel) got the disease but were not counted in the statistics since we self medicated. The true number of cases has to be at least two times the official number.

    What did Obama do? On April 22, 2009 he declared a “Public Health Emergency” but there were no travel bans or quarantines. Life continued as normal and the stock market rose though an entire year until the epidemic burned itself out.

    Six months later (October 24, 2009) Obama declared a “National Health Emergency” since the official number of infections was 8,781,203 at that time. No drastic action was taken so the stock market continued to rise.

    Government action in response to the COVID-19 has done more harm than good so we need to demand a passive “Obama-like” response from government when COVID-19 returns in the Fall.

  10. gallopingcamel says:

    Never before in human history have healthy people been quarantined yet the USA and many countries in Europe panicked. Sweden did not panic and treated COVID-19 as just another ‘flu that eventually will infect everyone. In the USA the “Lockdown” did achieve something but not what was intended:

    While the weekly US death toll from all causes hit a 20 year high in the week ending April 11, it hit a 20 year low only two weeks later. So what caused the weekly death toll to drop by over 22,000? Most people would answer “The Lockdown” and most people would be right for the wrong reason.

    ..…………………….……DEATHS PER WEEK
    …………………….…..COVID-19 OTHER TOTAL
    Week ending April 11….11,302….58,578….69,880
    Week ending April 18….18,400….44,598….62,998
    Week ending April 25….14,691….32,835….47,526

    These figures suggest that the lockdown had little effect on deaths due to the COVID-19 but had a huge, unprecedented effect on “Other” deaths. FUD (Fear Uncertainty and Doubt) created by the coronavirus panic caused a dramatic drop in hospitalizations. All around the country hospitals are half empty while surgical staff are being furloughed. Deaths will remain abnormally low until “Operating Rooms” resume operating.

    Hospitals are amazingly dangerous places so when 50% of their beds are empty the death rate is going to fall.

  11. gallopingcamel says:

    ARE LOCKDOWNS COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE?
    Never before in human history have healthy people been quarantined. Until COVID-19 it was the sick who were isolated. Here are some comments from skeptics:
    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-science-is-becoming-clear-lockdowns-are-no-longer-the-right-medicine-k5c652wk8


    https://www.theblaze.com/news/youtube-removed-viral-doctor-video-end-quarantine
    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/05/06/ny-gov-cuomo-says-its-shocking-most-new-coronavirus-hospitalizations-are-people-staying-home.html

  12. David A says:

    Switzerland did not treat this as just another flu. They did things they have never done for the flu.

    The excess death statistics will likely be our best gauge of Covid-19, as compared to the flu. Jo Nova had an excellent post on how flu deaths are likely very inflated. Statistical deaths in excess of normal, despite the lock downs, (see Christopher Monckton’s posts at WUWT) and despite an abbreviated flu season, as well as the true witness of overwhelmed hospitals, all convincingly express that this was not a flu. It is likely that even basic precautions exponentialy reduce contacts and R naught, more then predicated. China did not crush their own economy over a few hundred deaths.

    That said, this has now been politicised to the extreme, and flatten the curve became a threat of no relief until no cases. So yes, between China, WHO, the political CDC and the Deep State, and unworkable opening proposals, constant threats of again shutting down, this is being turned into an unmitigated disaster.

  13. E.M.Smith says:

    Folks are saying “enough already” with their actions.

    We went on a Mothers Day drive today. A LOT more traffic than last week. Folks filling up at the gas station without gear or fear. Had lunch from Erik’s Deli. Yes, ate it in the car, but still entered the store and bought it. A half dozen phone orders picked up while we were there. Drove past three county parks (2 of them lakes) lots of cars and folks fishing or walking. Gov. Nuisance may have closed State beaches, but rural counties saying “Nah!”. Roadside flower stand open , with cars stopping to buy flowers. Oh, and the carwash was open again.

    The lockdown Nazis are being left behind by the people and that translates into lost votes too.

    Oh, and Alameda County Health Inspector just got himself sued by Elon Musk / Tesla for saying they can not return to operation (despite Ca. State saying they are OK) AND Elon said their HQ and new operations ARE moving to Texas or Nevada NOW. That’s 10,000 local jobs…

    You can’t take 10k job losses for long and get elected again….

    Folks are voting with their feet, car keys, and wallets. Politicians can either get in front of that and claim to lead it, or get trampled trying to stop it.

  14. andysaurus says:

    I posted this with a link to Plandemic before it was taken down by YouTube:
    In recent weeks, there has been the release of “Planet of the Humans” which highlights the link between the climate hoax and big business/vested interests.
    My reversal of obesity and Type 2 diabetes led me to Nina Teicholz,, an investigative journalist who very credibly links standard dietary guidelines to similar big business. Dietary guidelines that I followed to make me fat, give me cardio-vascular illness, diabetes and depression. All improved with a keto diet that turns the standard pyramid on its head.
    Now I have a video that shows all the panic over the virus is, yet again, backed by monetary influence.
    In the 1960’s the protesters were against the military industrial complex that brought you Vietnam War, War in the Middle East, etc. It seems that those interests have spread their dark wings. 😢
    It is still available at Bitchute:

    https://www.bitchute.com/video/25tow1hbXwy1/?fbclid=IwAR2wGIbbUB1G1i0Wti8c2LFr5qiN2BsMa489cqjYgv4YFD7rcS649TcwWfk

    Have a look at Vaxopedia where they have their fangs into her.

    https://vaxopedia.org/2018/12/08/who-is-judy-mikovits/?fbclid=IwAR0OOIEPTKxMrEEoyqRDeV2qzSchHiMTS-K3uVQ4eyhY8Zr0ZtlcznVoxAM

    Like You E.M. I don’t know who to trust (except your good self). They all lie for money.

  15. Another Ian says:

    FWIW

    “Sunday Talks – Senator Tom Cotton Discusses Recent Reports About COVID-19 Escaping Bio Lab in Wuhan China in October 2019…x”

    https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/05/10/sunday-talks-senator-tom-cotton-discusses-recent-reports-about-covid-19-escaping-bio-lab-in-wuhan-china-in-october-2019-x/

  16. jim2 says:

    EMS said: “The lockdown Nazis are being left behind by the people and that translates into lost votes too.”

    I know it’s too much to hope for, but I can only wish Cali would turn red over this. Not gonna happen, but a guy can dream can’t he?

  17. beththeserf says:

    Julian Jones, Judy Mikovitz link. – Google says ‘No!’

  18. p.g.sharrow says:

    California is a lot more conservative then you might think. Vote count manipulations are the Democrat’s Big edge. This latest push for Universal mail in ballots and organized Harvesting is their plan to insure their election day dominance. If the Republicans ever got their act together they could dominate again. MONEY and Organization is their biggest edge here. Their willingness to use any method to win which includes their control of the legal system to cover up for them means Fair elections can not be had. The Republicans need to embrace the System that exists and out work the Democratic Machine….. CHEAT ! Vote Harvesting Absentee Voting can be the double edge sword to use to defeat them. …pg

  19. p.g.sharrow says:

    Hydroxychloroquine vs. Remdesivir (It’s Not Even Close)


    More on this strange push for Remdesivir as a treatment for Covid. Why in the world would the “Powers that be” be pushing a $1000 a pill treatment over a $1 treatment that has less side effects? follow the Money…pg

  20. eilert says:

    Dr Judy Mikovits has several interviews worth watching, since she talks about the contamination of blood supplies and vaccines by the mouse retrovirus XMRV, which she isolated, which is causing several deceases like chronic fatigue disease, autism, even infectious leukemia and is also transmittable from mother to her unborn child.
    This virus entered through medical laboratories going back to the creation of polio vaccines in 1934.
    Because of this discovery she was unlawfully detained for 5 days, without charge, in 2011 and had was under an NDA for 5 years.

    Here is Part 1 of the interview with Christina Aguayo

    Part 2:is unfortunately now been removed by the fascists at YouTube. This was more about her detention and struggle with NIH etc.

    The podcast with Thomas Paine from True Pundit is also worth listening:
    Ep. 19 — EXCLUSIVE: TOP Scientist & HIV/AIDS Research Pioneer Dr. Judy Mikovits Blows Whistle on Dr. Fauci & Corrupt DC Medical Cartel; DISTURBING Details of Threats; Intimidation; Research Theft; Tainted Vaccines; Fraud; Pay to Play; GREED & the FBI C
    https://t.co/XqtqsHKkyg?amp=1

    She also has an Twitter Account:

  21. E.M.Smith says:

    An interesting 27 minute expose on the way Wall Street flows money to China.

    Kind of explains how Never Trumpers and the DNC got bought off. At first, indirectly via Wall Street in bed with China for $$$

    Simply requiring that Chinese companies must have the same accounting practices as US compnies for NYSE Listing would fix a lot of it. Then require that domestic MSCI Indexes can not include them wraps it up.

  22. H.R. says:

    When I can find one, I want to get a mask similar to the one worn by Judy Mikovits, above. But I just want a plain black one like the Lone Ranger wore.

    We’re approaching the sunny 70s weather here and I will be pretty much unconcerned throughout the Summer about any virus until the Fall cold and rain hits.

    So if the ninny nannies at any place still insist a mask be worn, well y’all know what mask I’ll be wearing ;o)


    “Who was that masked man?”

    “I don’t know, but he left this silver bullet.”

  23. YMMV says:

    “Who was that masked man?”

    or Zorro, or Anonymous (Guy Fawkes)

  24. E.M.Smith says:

    @Beth:

    Perhaps First Coffee slows… but which Julian Jones? Almost as many Jones as Smiths …

    @H.R.:

    Spouse is home sewing a dozen DIY Masks with themes (mostly disney using old T shirts). One practice mask from a garish orange T shirt recycle “Hillary for Prison 2016″… the practice mask.

    I’m thinking one with a Pepe theme in green might be interesting….

    We’ve ordered, from Disney, a few. I’m getting ones with animal noses & mouths appropriatly placed.
    https://www.shopdisney.com/face-masks/

    Why all the masks?

    We’ve been given the perfect foil for facial recognition crap.

    Some one asks me to remove my mask in, oh, August: with raspy vouce and interspersed coughs I say “Really? I can? My Doctor said to keep it on, but OK, if you really (cough hack) want me to. I can take my pills then too! Do you have a water cooler?”

  25. Julian Jones says:

    Many apologies EM & Beth : I posted the download link (in haste) in good faith; it was tweeted by a longstanding alt-news site. I suspect it was taken down through representation from the publisher rather than any sinister Google action.
    But I did suffer a temporary Google account outage after posting the now deleted YT ‘Plandemic’ links (though it was still up in UK at time of posting).

  26. Julian Jones says:

    FWIW It was apparently bona fide download link that is still on the Twitter account of the co-author : Kent Heckenlively
    His other tweets are interesting, especially the CNN one …

  27. H.R. says:

    E.M.: “We’ve been given the perfect foil for facial recognition crap.”

    Sometimes tyrants outsmart themselves.

    We already know about your hat (I saw it on you) and oversize sunglasses. Add in a mask and video surveillance will be pretty much useless.

    Phone in the Faraday case and off we go, wherever we care to roam.

    Free range citizens ;o)

  28. A C Osborn says:

    E M do you think that you could create a COVID-19 post where everyone can post the medicines that appear to work?
    There appears to be a lot of them and it is hard to keep track.

  29. Julian Jones says:

    After further investigation – the download links were unauthorised. Please delete any copies downloaded …

  30. E.M.Smith says:

    @ACOsborn:

    An interesting idea. Right now I’m a half dozen beers into it :-) and must cook dinner next…

    But later tonight, that makes sense.

  31. Serioso says:

    Here are some sites that help one separate truth from fiction:

    https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/true-5-factchecking-websites/

  32. Canadian Friend says:

    The second site they recommend is Snopes,
    but Snopes is known to lean left and not be a good fact checking site when the topic is politics or is related to politics.

  33. beththeserf says:

    Response to E.M. Smith re K Julian Jones @ 10th May 9.09am.
    Trying to locate the link again came myself came across yr Wiki NYT posts on Judy Mikovits all with derogatory adjectives attached to her name just so we get the message, ‘no need to dig here.’

  34. ossqss says:

    How are you seeing things out there Serioso? We have not seen you for some time.

    Thanks for the aggregate fact check site link, it is interesting how so many interpret things so differently, but that’s life I suppose.

  35. Steven Fraser says:

    @All: I am a systems guy. It seems to me that COVID-19 is a viral attack, not unlike an attempt to infect and overcome an IT system…

    … opportunistically infect the least protected/ most vulnerable
    … do so covertly
    … creat confusion of those responsible for system integrity, to
    … delay effective measures until system integrity erodes, leading to
    … systerm

    How to guard:
    – Keep your antivirus current.. Sunshine and vit D supplements
    – be mindful of your most exposed system components… elderly in nursing homes
    – don’t let intrusions get out-of-hand.. have tactical ‘nuclear weapons’ available
    HCQ, zinc, AZM, and use them mercifully
    O2 supplementation, without forced ventilation, and pulseO2 monitor
    Adjusment of resting position… tummy down
    Monitor a fever to 103, act on a fever of 104. Fevers kill viruses,
    Bring the children. They do not catch it, or transmit it. Let the love flow.

    ( Forrest Gump Voice).. ‘ Thats all I have to say about that…’

  36. A C Osborn says:

    E M I am starting an Access database on the Treatments, it may take me a while to locate all the old references, but I have to start somewhere.

  37. Tim. says:

    Here in UK we are now being offered a Hydroquinone trial if we show symptoms

  38. Simon Derricutt says:

    Steven Fraser – that seems a good precis.

    Tim – do you mean Hydroxy-chloroquine or Hydroquinone? I don’t see how Hydroquinone would do the job….

    All – it seems to me that any country leaving full lockdown status is going to see outbreaks that could get out of hand pretty quickly. Until herd immunity is achieved any infection will be around 10-15 days before it starts to show in the hospital admissions, thus having a possibly large number of contacts to trace. Mass transit remains a potent way to spread the virus. Could be a superspreader in that group, too. Unless someone decides to mass-medicate all those contacts with something like HCQ+Zn+vit-D to reduce the infectivity, it looks like a country will constantly be on the edge of overwhelming their medical facilities at any time. I’ve read that Turkey is giving HCQ to anyone suspected of being infected, and are seeing good results. Given the cost of HCQ, and that production has been ramped up, that looks like a smart strategy.

    I don’t see a logical way out of lockdowns without such measures. Sure, the lockdown has reduced the number of people getting the disease and avoided running out of beds, but releasing it before herd immunity is achieved will result in the same number of people goijg to hospital, just over a longer time. The death count remains much the same with or without the lockdown providing the beds don’t run out.

    https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2020/05/11/how-to-make-a-crisis-far-far-worse/ shows an example of the non-flu nature of WuFlu. The blood loses ability to carry Oxygen, also clots more easily, and people just die. May be no obvious symptoms except, of course, death. With a disease like this, it seems criminal to not use medication early, but instead to tell people to wait until it’s become hard to breathe before asking for help, then using an NSAID such as paracetamol and some Oxygen until they either recover or need ventilation (and a large chance of dying at that point).

    Seems that the disease is being treated as if it’s just a ‘flu, when it isn’t and thus that’s the wrong treatment. It also seems that the possible prophylactics are being ignored, either through TDS or some other reason. By now we’ve got better information than when we started, so why is it being ignored?

  39. Simon Derricutt says:

    Tim – thanks. This is somewhat overdue, though. Better late than never….

  40. cdquarles says:

    Remember when I was talking about group and subgroup variability? See this: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.27.20081893v1.full.pdf. Yes, it is a model. Don’t draw too vast of a conclusion from it; but yes, it is indicative of what I meant.

  41. Compu Gator says:

    Steven Fraser replied 12 May 2020 at 4:11 am GMT:
    Bring the children. They do not catch it, or transmit it.

    Huh!?  Since when do “children […] not catch it“?
    Such an implausible claim, which runs contrary to my accumulated reading in this blog, requires proof. Citation, please?

    My understanding is that children catch it as well as anyone else. Schools and other gatherings of children are notorious as viral-&-bacterial exchange opportunities. And that’s exacerbated by the grabby habits of chidren. Why would CoV-19 be any different, especially considering the unusually long “lifetime” of the virus on hard surfaces, as common on furniture, appliances, or plumbing fixtures?

    If children have any epidemiological distinction from the rest of us, it’s that when infected, they are far more commonly asymptomatic. But that matches them well to your attack “covertly” to “infect the least protected/ most vulnerable”. Yet you write “Bring the children. [….] Let the love flow.”  You’d really be willing to have potentially asymptomatic children visit your mom or grandma in a nursing home? It’s a serious risk that I would not accept. Not for them, and not for me.

  42. A C Osborn says:

    Tim. says:12 May 2020 at 1:46 pm
    I really hope that BBC report on that link is not correct.
    They are talking about HCQ or azithromycin
    Not HCQ + azithromycin + Zinc
    and not even HCQ + azithromycin

    It is as I suspected they are trying to sabotage HCQ by not using it as recommended by those that have developed the best treatment plans.

  43. A C Osborn says:

    EM, I have created the Access database for the treatments and I have entered a couple of entries on Vitamin D.
    I will now trawl the old posts on here and WUWT and a couple of other sites to dig up as many as possible.
    Then I will start on the dreaded google, whic always presents bad news and buries the good on anything other than remdesivir.

  44. H.R. says:

    @A C Osborn – I ran across one they are using with great success in Hong Kong. IIRC, it is a combination of 3 antivirals.

    I’ve seen it a couple of times on Conservative Treehouse (CTH) posted by a Brit expat who, I believe, teaches in China. He posts under the nom de plume of ‘A2’. He’s been in China for quite a few years (30?). Oh, and I believe he has a couple of links to studies and for further details.

    Anyhow, I read CTH regularly and I will keep an eye out for it again and when things are slow there, usually in the AM, I’ll see if I can run down one of his posts on the treatment.
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    Great idea you have there! I’d like to have a list like that if I’m sick with flu symptoms and need to see the Dr. to discuss treatment.

    She has my medical history, list of medications, allergies, and results of past blood work, most of that routine but I’ve also had a few off the path blood tests for some mystery symptoms.

    We should be able to come up with a successful treatment regime.

    Don’t forget to include possible preventatives. I believe there are 2 – 3 besides building up resistance via vitamins & etc.

    I am cheering you on and will be keeping my eyes peeled out for anything to add.

  45. Tim. says:

    @A C Osborn

    From the Study description: “Four interventions have been defined: I1 HCQ, I2 HCQ plus Lop/r, I3 HCQ plus Azithro and I4 standard treatment.”
    So they are trying them together. The BBC report is rather ambiguous.

  46. A C Osborn says:

    Tim, no mention of Zinc?
    Which is the main thrust of Quinine based anti-viral treatment.

  47. A C Osborn says:

    EM, I am now up to 20 treatments with a few more to go.
    Remember ivermectin, it has been buried along with most of the others.
    There is a medical black hole for all of these.

  48. rhoda klapp says:

    East Virginia Medical School is the go-to place for treatment protocols. Google EVMS covid. It is kept updated. Also Dr Seheult’s videos on Medcram.

  49. YMMV says:

    “Coronavirus Pandemic Update 69: “NAC” Supplementation and COVID-19 (N-Acetylcysteine)”

    Antioxidant NAC acts by replenishing hepatic glutathione. See the video for why this is important. Note that low glutathione levels are associated with aging and a wide range of pathologic conditions.

    “There is compelling research that NAC may also reduce the severity of viral infections like influenza, and perhaps reduce the risk of blood clots (thromboembolism) as well. Could NAC be effective in COVID-19?” And he asks if NAC tablets could be an oral preventative for covid.

    He says there is one study being done. (23:45)
    This may be a second one:
    https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/breaking-covid-19-research-russian-study-indicates-that-glutathione-deficiency-affects-covid-19-susceptibility,-nac-supplements-helps

  50. ossqss says:

    Thought to share as this came to my head after reviewing this blog again. :-)

  51. H.R. says:

    @YMMV re “NAC” Supplementation – wOw!

    That came out of left field, BUT… it just goes to show some attentive MDs are thinking and not just “following the protocol.” Too early to tell but he may be on to something, particularly for at risk patients or late stage patients.

    It seems the dumbasses gravitate to government and the genuinely curious and insightful ones are out there gettin’ ‘er done or at least racking their brains.

    I’ll bet a dollar to a donut that he gets dismissed as a quack by the gubmint Powers That Be in 3… 2… 1…

  52. cdquarles says:

    Hmm, that’s interesting. I’ve mentioned glutathione previously, too.

  53. E.M.Smith says:

    @ACOsborn:

    Duckduckgo still finds Ivermectin:
    https://duckduckgo.com/?q=ivermectin+covid&t=brave&ia=web

    @H.R.:

    Given that marching orders have shown up at Twatter & Gargle to black hole anything that looks like a cheap or effective treatment, it sure looks like the fix is in to make this as bad as possible.

    @YMMV:

    Thanks for putting that link up. I’d seen it the day it came out and intended to post it, but got side tracked.

    The really good thing is that NAC addresses the late stage complications while HQC is useful in early onset suppression of replication, so now there’s approches to treatment at both ends.

  54. rhoda klapp says:

    You can buy NAC over the counter and it’s quite cheap. I’ve got some on the way but my usual online supplier of quercetin was all out of NAC, so be quick.

  55. A C Osborn says:

    rhoda klapp says: 12 May 2020 at 9:21 pm
    Thanks I was looking for that one.

  56. A C Osborn says:

    E.M.Smith says: 13 May 2020 at 4:28 am
    Sorry for the confusion, there is no problem finding Ivermectin on the web, in fact the EMV protocol that Rhodda reminded me of actually specifies it as an optional treatment.
    What I actually meant was that after a couple of splashes in the MSM there has been no mention of it, no trials as far as I know all we have is remdesivir and so called studies knocking HCQ.
    In fact there is another one today also sponsored by NIH of course and the headline says it all.
    “Yet ANOTHER study finds that the anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine – touted by Trump as a ‘game-changer’ for treating coronavirus – did NOT help patients and some faced higher risks of heart attacks”

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8313251/Yet-study-finds-hydroxychloroquine-did-not-help-treat-coronavirus-patients.html

    I am not sure what the drug was that google disappeared.

  57. H.R. says:

    @A C:
    I found that link to the 3-drug treatment they have been using in Hong Kong.

    https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3083612/coronavirus-hong-kong-researchers-find-three-drug

  58. E.M.Smith says:

    @H.R.:

    Key point from the 3 drug trial:

    “Our trial demonstrates that early treatment of mild to moderate Covid-19 with a triple combination of antiviral drugs may rapidly suppress the amount of virus in a patient’s body, relieve symptoms, and reduce the risk to health care workers by reducing the duration and quantity of viral shedding.”

    Drugs that reduce replication work when given before lots of replication .

    That’s an easy check for when a “trial” of HCQ was biased. When it says “moderate to severe” patients and “only when hospitalized”, you know they want it to fail. Similarly leaving out zink and Vit-D status.

  59. YMMV says:

    Google says: “Remember kids, don’t try this at home!”

    Father Big Brother knows best.

  60. Ossqss says:

    WOM, clicked down to 15% CFR on closed cases today. Still at 2% active case serious or critical. Things are till moving in the right directions.

  61. A C Osborn says:

    H.R. says: 13 May 2020 at 11:35 am

    Thanks

  62. Another Ian says:

    “Wuhan virus vaccines”/

    https://wattsupwiththat.com/2020/05/13/wuhan-virus-vaccines/

    And a couple of recent additions in comments.

    His link to his vaccine experience is in Part 1

  63. H.R. says:

    @E.M. – Went out fishing today. The water temp was about 55 (F) which is about 5(F) too low for catfish, but I threw out 2 lines in a shallow bay hoping (not really caring, nice and sunny) some of the smaller catfish might come in and have a chomp.

    Anyhoo, I was thinking about AC’s list and the preventatives and ivermectin popped into my head.

    Is it possible that a periodic ‘sheep dip’ of ivermectin would entirely stop the Kung Flu from replicating enough for the sheep-dipee to even know they were infected?
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    I’m looking forward to AC’s list for the preventatives. The thing about them that I like is that a ChiCom Flu vaccine might be no more effective than what we have now for current flu strains, but a preventative probably would be always effective regardless of the bug.

  64. H.R. says:

    @E.M. & AC & All – It seems the key to beating the nasty effects of Xi’s Disease is early treatment with… well, a variety of treatment options.

    I’ve been reading various news splashes about people in their 90’s and 100’s beating the Wuhan Flu, but I bet their doctors intervened very early with one of the treatments that keep the worst effects at bay OR, because they have lived so long, they have antibodies picked up over the years close enough that kept them from heading into the abyss.

    Anyhow, it seems that the vitamin regime and some form of the other preventatives will pretty much get you safely through to the other side without all the fuss of a nasty death or other even worse side effects.

  65. E.M.Smith says:

    @H.R.:

    All treatment & prophylactic treatments are currently speculative.

    We do have some good data, mostly “anecdotal”.

    Vit-D status is a huge deal. Cuts risk of detected infection by something like 75%, and for those who do get it, cuts mortality by 90% (IIRC the report). So #1 is 1000 to 2000 IU daily or a load of sun. Top it up with RDA of Zn, Cu, & Selenium and a bunch of vit-C (I do a couple of grams).

    Several antivirals that block replication, taken early, reduce it dramatically. Taken after enough replication to land you in the hospital, don’t do much. From Quinine to derivatives like HCQ and AIDS drugs. IMHO, any of them with exemplars of working could dramatically cut transmission and hospitalizations if widely used (at the risk of various side effects).

    Then NAC and massive Vit-C along with clot preventers if you go symptomatic in a significant way.

    Per vaccine: Due to the history of ADE in SARS-1, I will not go near a vaccine until that is definitely proven not to exist. So AFTER the first batch of folks get heavy virus exposure. Figure a year, or two… but by then, herd immunity ought to be complete.

    Per Ivermectin:

    It is truly a strange wonder drug. From one lone sample of a soil bacteria found in Japan, it has cured many diseases (from worms to river blindness) and has anti viral properties. Could we just “sheep dip” a load of folks and stop the spread? My GUESS is a high probability. Cheap, made by the ton, widely available, and with very wide dose tolerance.

    FWIW, about 2 weeks ago we did a bunch of shopping and stuff. 2 days later: I started getting the nose twitchy sneezy throat funny feeling that can be anything from allergies to a cold to WuHuFlu onset…. drizzled about 10 ml (the 200 lb sheep dose IIRC) on my skin and rubbed it in. Everything ramped down and by the next day I felt fine. So was that a “cure” of something or did blowing my nose clear out the offending pollen? Don’t know, and don’t care much. I’d used this a half dozen times for something else several years back and I have zero side effects (or anything noticeable, really – YMMV) from it. For me, the peace of mind was worth the $1 or so cost and zero bad effects. Like I’ve said before: Pour drench on enough cattle & critters you WILL at some point soak up a dose. Been there, done that.

    So once the Medical Establishment gets their collective arses in gear enough to find and prove effective treatments AND get them approved and stocked at my doctors office AND on the approved list for this use: then my DIY will stop. Until then, due to zero approved solutions, I am my own health practitioner with only me to blame for my choices.

    One other sidebar:

    I need to do a posting on this, but look up fenbendazol (hope I spelled that right) and both anti viral and cancer treatment. Another horse wormer… I did a test patch on some very small warts on the top of my foot. As per the articles, it does seem to have nuked the human papilloma virus… but I need to check again before a full posting. Anecdotal stories of resolving prostate cancer and more.

  66. A C Osborn says:

    Sory about the format as I can only copy and paste the output.

    Group Of Treatment Comments Description Data Type Country Location
    Aminoquinoline An alternative to Chloroquine based drugs. Description of Aminoquinoline Report NHS

    Anti Viral Spray called MAP-1 An anti viral spray that lasts up to 90 days for protecting surfaces, masks and other PPE. DM article on a Hong Kong development MSM Article Hong Kong https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8268693/Antiviral-spray-costs-just-7-protects-surfaces-COVID-19.html

    Anticoagulants Heparin, rivaroxaban, dabigatran, apixaban, edoxaban & Warfarin https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/EVMS_Critical_Care_COVID-19_Protocol.pdf

    Atorvastatin https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/EVMS_Critical_Care_COVID-19_Protocol.pdf

    Blood Antibody Plasma Used by Blood Plasma Transfusion of 1 patient, all recovered. News Pakistan https://www.arabnews.com/node/1673426/world

    Blood Antibody Plasma Used by Blood Plasma Transfusion of 5 patients, all recovered. Clinical Study China https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2763983

    Blood Antibody Plasma Used by Blood Plasma Transfusion of 10 patients, all recovered. Clinical Study China https://www.pnas.org/content/117/17/9490

    Chlorine Dioxide. “Still a hypothesis based on previous work with other deseases.
    This is the one President Trump referenced.” Trial proposed. Trial – Phase 1 https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04343742

    Chlorine Dioxide. “Still a hypothesis based on previous work with other deseases.
    This is the one President Trump referenced.” A study of the use of C. D. for human ingestion. Report http://mkilani.com/files/chlorine-dioxide-for-coronavirus-1.pdf

    Chlorine Dioxide. “Still a hypothesis based on previous work with other deseases.
    This is the one President Trump referenced.” Research from 2008 on Mice & flu. https://www.microbiologyresearch.org/content/journal/jgv/10.1099/vir.0.83393-0

    Chloroquine Old version of HydroxyChloroquine with harsher side effects. Anecdotal https://www.nature.com/articles/s41422-020-0282-0.pdf

    Chloroquine Old version of HydroxyChloroquine with harsher side effects. Video of head of South Korea Medical institute. Anecdotal South Korea https://youtu.be/gAk7aX5hksU

    Chloroquine Old version of HydroxyChloroquine with harsher side effects. Study of various various drugs. Study https://www.nature.com/articles/s41422-020-0282-0.pdf

    Enoxaparin https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/EVMS_Critical_Care_COVID-19_Protocol.pdf

    Famotidine https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/EVMS_Critical_Care_COVID-19_Protocol.pdf

    Favipiravir Japanese study of theiranti-viral drug Avigan MSM Article https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8125513/Drug-used-treat-flu-Japan-clearly-effective-Chinese-officials-say.html

    HQC + Azithromycin French use this method. Study of 1061 patients. Study France https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1477893920302179?via%3Dihub

    HQC + Azithromycin French use this method. Study of 80 patients. Study France https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1477893920301319?via%3Dihub

    HQC + Azithromycin + Zinc Sulphate Recommended version of HQC treatmant plans Dr Zelenko’s treatment plan. MSM Article USA https://internetprotocol.co/hype-news/2020/04/14/a-detailed-coronavirus-treatment-plan-from-dr-zelenko/

    HQC + Azithromycin + Zinc Sulphate Recommended version of HQC treatmant plans Treated patients with success. Anecdotal USA https://archive.is/9rZo3

    HQC + Zinc Second best HQC treatment and a Phrophylactic.

    HydroxyChloroquine (HQC) Newer, safer version of Choloquine. Used for Malaria, Lupus and Arthitis A round up of based on a Survey of worldwide doctors MSM Article https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/2/hydroxychloroquine-rated-most-effective-therapy-do/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork

    interferon beta-1b, lopinavir–ritonavir, and ribavirin Combination of knownd drugs Another version of the trial. https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3083612/coronavirus-hong-kong-researchers-find-three-drug

    interferon beta-1b, lopinavir–ritonavir, and ribavirin Combination of knownd drugs Lancet report on a study of interferon beta-1b, lopinavir–ritonavir, and ribavirin Report Hong Kong https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31042-4/fulltext
    ivermectin Sheep dip, head lice treatment. ivermectin inhibits the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in vitro Study https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220302011

    ivermectin Sheep dip, head lice treatment. DM article MSM Article https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8186287/Monash-University-scientists-anti-parasite-Ivermectin-kill-COVID-19-cells-two-days.html

    lopinavir/ritonavir An HIV drug called Kaletra, repurposed. MSM Article Australia https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8115879/COVID-19-Australian-researchers-CURE-coronavirus.html

    Magnesium https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/EVMS_Critical_Care_COVID-19_Protocol.pdf

    Melatonin https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/EVMS_Critical_Care_COVID-19_Protocol.pdf

    Methylprednisolone https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/EVMS_Critical_Care_COVID-19_Protocol.pdf

    N-Acetyl Cysteine Known as NAC. Glutathione deficiency replacement Hypothesis Russia “https://www.researchgate.net/publication/340917045_Endogenous_deficiency_of_glutathione_as_the_most_likely_cause_
    of_serious_manifestations_and_death_from_novel_coronavirus_infection_COVID-19_a_hypothesis_based_on_literature_data_and_own_observations”

    norepinephrine https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/EVMS_Critical_Care_COVID-19_Protocol.pdf

    Quercetin An alternative to Chloroquine based drugs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quercetin

    Quercetin An alternative to Chloroquine based drugs. History of use as an anti-viral https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4728566/

    Remdesivir Unsuccessful Ebola drug, now repurposed for COVID-19. Study of various various drugs. Study https://www.nature.com/articles/s41422-020-0282-0.pdf

    Stem cell injections Chinese claim. MSM Article https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8116881/Doctor-claims-breakthrough-stem-cell-injections-treat-coronavirus.html

    UV Light Irradiation of Blood or Lungs 2 recommendations, one for blood and one for lungs. Under development Report https://aytubio.com/healight/

    UV Light Irradiation of Blood or Lungs 2 recommendations, one for blood and one for lungs.
    UV Irradiation of the blood. Report https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4783265/

    Vitamin B12 “Immune Booster.
    No Data.”

    Vitamin C Given during other treatments and as Immune booster.

    Vitamin D Immune Booster, shows up as a deficiency in patients. Report on correlation between COVID-19 and Vit D deficiency. Report USA https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.24.20075838v1

    Vitamin D Immune Booster, shows up as a deficiency in patients. A study of 780 people with COVID Report Indonesia https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3585561

    Vitamin D Immune Booster, shows up as a deficiency in patients. DM report on a study by Queen Elizabeth Hospital Foundation Trust and the University of East Anglia MSM Article UK https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8277775/People-low-levels-Vitamin-D-likely-die-COVID-19-infection.html

    Vitamin D Immune Booster, shows up as a deficiency in patients. Telegraph article MSM Article Phillippines https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/03/time-take-seriously-link-vitamin-d-deficiency-serious-covid/

    Vitamin D Immune Booster, shows up as a deficiency in patients. Study and hypothesis of Vit D levels in COVID-19 patients Report India https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3593258#.XrE0oF1wSjU.twitter

    Zinc “Immune Booster.
    Virus soread inhibitor”

    I haven’t found details on all of them yet, but it is a good start.

  67. A C Osborn says:

    EM, I have posted the output of some of the data on each treatment I have found to date.
    I posted the links as plain text but you forum has converted them back to links.
    So it is now in moderation due to too many links.

  68. A C Osborn says:

    EM, as far as I am concerned Governments and Medical Authorities are literally murdering people by withholding treatments like Ivermectin.
    It is a form of corporate or government manslaughter.

  69. YMMV says:

    MedCram has an update on glutathione. The treatment of giving NAC + IV glutathione is very promising. It’s good to know that the covid puzzle is being figured out by some doctors. Stay well until it filters down to a hospital near you!

  70. Julian Jones says:

    @EM – Ivermectin, truly a wonder drug with immense benefits. (But poorly applied in agriculture with highly deleterious environmental & social consequences – perhaps a discussion of these another time ?).

    NOTE : “Today the Department of Defense and the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, announce a $138 million contract with ApiJect Systems America for “Project Jumpstart” … the ultimate production goal of over 500 million prefilled syringes (doses) in 2021.

    https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Releases/Release/Article/2184808/dod-awards-138-million-contract-enabling-prefilled-syringes-for-future-covid-19/source/GovDelivery/

  71. A C Osborn says:

    EM, is it OK to poast an updated version of the list?
    Or can I send it to you?

  72. E.M.Smith says:

    @ACOsborn:

    Feel free to post list copies with changes. If it goes to moderation, I check that a couple of times a day most days anyway, so no big.

  73. A C Osborn says:

    cd, but where is the bloody Zinc, they are setting it up to fail.

  74. A C Osborn says:

    EM, here is the updated list from the database.

    Group Of Treatment Comments Description Data Type Country Location Text2
    Tissue plasminogen activator, or tPA Breaks up Blood Clots Tested as a last resort in Mt. Sinai Hospital with very variable results. MSM Article USA https://www.latimes.com/science/story/2020-04-11/doctor-treating-coronavirus-patients-gambles-on-clot-busting-drug Page 1 of 1
    Abivax ABX464 Repurposed drug under development to treat ulcerative colitis and rheumatoid arthritis Experimental drug that appears to block replication and promote healing. MSM Article France https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/abivax-to-begin-testing-experimental-colitis-drug-for-covid-19/ar-BB143u9r Page 1 of 1
    Actemra interleukin-6 (IL6) Immune suppressant Apparently used in China. MSM Article https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/03/21/all-the-drugs-proving-anecdotally-effective-agains.aspx Page 1 of 1
    Aminoquinoline An alternative to Chloroquine based drugs. Description of Aminoquinoline Report NHS Page 1 of 1
    Anti Viral Spray called MAP-1 An anti viral spray that lasts up to 90 days for protecting surfaces, masks and other PPE. DM article on a Hong Kong development MSM Article Hong Kong https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8268693/Antiviral-spray-costs-just-7-protects-surfaces-COVID-19.html Page 1 of 1
    Anticoagulants Heparin, rivaroxaban, dabigatran, apixaban, edoxaban & Warfarin https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/EVMS_Critical_Care_COVID-19_Protocol.pdf Page 1 of 1
    ASC-09 + ritonavir Anti Viral Form Wikipedia MSM Article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_drug_development Page 1 of 1
    Atorvastatin https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/EVMS_Critical_Care_COVID-19_Protocol.pdf Page 1 of 1
    Baricitinib To be trialled. A very useful roundup of drugs in use or to be trialled with descriptions. Report USA https://www.drugs.com/condition/covid-19.html Page 1 of 1
    Bemcentinib An AXL kinase inhibitor to be trialled in the UK A very useful roundup of drugs in use or to be trialled with descriptions. Report USA https://www.drugs.com/condition/covid-19.html Page 1 of 1
    Bevacizumab A VEGF inhibitor cancer drug marketed under the brand name Avastin A very useful roundup of drugs in use or to be trialled with descriptions. Report USA https://www.drugs.com/condition/covid-19.html Page 1 of 1
    Blood Antibody Plasma Used by Blood Plasma Transfusion of 5 patients, all recovered. Clinical Study China https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2763983 Page 1 of 1
    Blood Antibody Plasma Used by Blood Plasma Transfusion of 1 patient, all recovered. News Pakistan https://www.arabnews.com/node/1673426/world Page 1 of 1
    Blood Antibody Plasma Used by Blood Plasma Transfusion of 10 patients, all recovered. Clinical Study China https://www.pnas.org/content/117/17/9490 Page 1 of 1
    CD24Fc antiviral immunomodulator against inflammatory response From Wikipedia. MSM Article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_drug_development Page 1 of 1
    Chlorine Dioxide. “Still a hypothesis based on previous work with other deseases.
    This is the one President Trump referenced.” Trial proposed. Trial – Phase 1 https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04343742 Page 1 of 1
    Chlorine Dioxide. “Still a hypothesis based on previous work with other deseases.
    This is the one President Trump referenced.” Research from 2008 on Mice & flu. https://www.microbiologyresearch.org/content/journal/jgv/10.1099/vir.0.83393-0 Page 1 of 1
    Chlorine Dioxide. “Still a hypothesis based on previous work with other deseases.
    This is the one President Trump referenced.” A study of the use of C. D. for human ingestion. Report http://mkilani.com/files/chlorine-dioxide-for-coronavirus-1.pdf Page 1 of 1
    Chloroquine Old version of HydroxyChloroquine with harsher side effects. Anecdotal https://www.nature.com/articles/s41422-020-0282-0.pdf Page 1 of 1
    Chloroquine Old version of HydroxyChloroquine with harsher side effects. Study of various various drugs. Study https://www.nature.com/articles/s41422-020-0282-0.pdf Page 1 of 1
    Chloroquine Old version of HydroxyChloroquine with harsher side effects. Video of head of South Korea Medical institute. Anecdotal South Korea https://youtu.be/gAk7aX5hksU Page 1 of 1
    Colchicine Older anti-inflammatory drug A very useful roundup of drugs in use or to be trialled with descriptions. Report USA https://www.drugs.com/condition/covid-19.html Page 1 of 1
    Dapagliflozin sodium-glucose cotransporter 2 inhibitor From Wikipedia. MSM Article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_drug_development Page 1 of 1
    EIDD-2801 Antiviral Drug A very useful roundup of drugs in use or to be trialled with descriptions. Report USA https://www.drugs.com/condition/covid-19.html Page 1 of 1
    Enoxaparin https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/EVMS_Critical_Care_COVID-19_Protocol.pdf Page 1 of 1
    Famotidine https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/EVMS_Critical_Care_COVID-19_Protocol.pdf Page 1 of 1
    Favipiravir Japanese study of theiranti-viral drug Avigan MSM Article https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8125513/Drug-used-treat-flu-Japan-clearly-effective-Chinese-officials-say.html Page 1 of 1
    Fenbendazole Anecdotal proposal by E M Smith Worth a try. Anecdotal USA https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2020/05/14/fenbendazole-a-suprise-from-a-generic-dewormer/ Page 1 of 1
    Fingolimod Marketed under the brand name Gilenya for the treatment of relapsing forms of multiple sclerosis A very useful roundup of drugs in use or to be trialled with descriptions. Report USA https://www.drugs.com/condition/covid-19.html Page 1 of 1
    HQC + Azithromycin French use this method. Study of 80 patients. Study France https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1477893920301319?via%3Dihub Page 1 of 1
    HQC + Azithromycin French use this method. Study of 1061 patients. Study France https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1477893920302179?via%3Dihub Page 1 of 1
    HQC + Azithromycin + Zinc Sulphate Recommended version of HQC treatmant plans Dr Zelenko’s treatment plan. MSM Article USA https://internetprotocol.co/hype-news/2020/04/14/a-detailed-coronavirus-treatment-plan-from-dr-zelenko/ Page 1 of 1
    HQC + Azithromycin + Zinc Sulphate Recommended version of HQC treatmant plans At last a proper study of the best trio. See table 4 for early intervention. Study USA https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.02.20080036v1.full.pdf Page 1 of 1
    HQC + Azithromycin + Zinc Sulphate Recommended version of HQC treatmant plans Treated patients with success. Anecdotal USA https://archive.is/9rZo3 Page 1 of 1
    HQC + Zinc Second best HQC treatment and a Phrophylactic. Page 1 of 1
    HydroxyChloroquine (HQC) Newer, safer version of Choloquine. Used for Malaria, Lupus and Arthitis A round up of based on a Survey of worldwide doctors MSM Article https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/2/hydroxychloroquine-rated-most-effective-therapy-do/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork Page 1 of 1
    interferon beta-1b, lopinavir–ritonavir, and ribavirin Combination of knownd drugs Lancet report on a study of interferon beta-1b, lopinavir–ritonavir, and ribavirin Report Hong Kong https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31042-4/fulltext Page 1 of 1
    interferon beta-1b, lopinavir–ritonavir, and ribavirin Combination of knownd drugs Another version of the trial. https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3083612/coronavirus-hong-kong-researchers-find-three-drug Page 1 of 1
    ivermectin Sheep dip, head lice treatment. DM article MSM Article https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8186287/Monash-University-scientists-anti-parasite-Ivermectin-kill-COVID-19-cells-two-days.html Page 1 of 1
    ivermectin Sheep dip, head lice treatment. ivermectin inhibits the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in vitro Study https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220302011 Page 1 of 1
    Kevzara interleukin-6 (IL6) Immune suppressant MSM Article https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/03/21/all-the-drugs-proving-anecdotally-effective-agains.aspx Page 1 of 1
    Lenzilumab Another humanized monoclonal antibody for relieving pneumonia From Wikipedia. MSM Article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_drug_development Page 1 of 1
    Leronlimab (PRO 140) “Humanized IgG4 monoclonal antibody (mAb)
    Not Approved by the FDA.” Given to 7 patients in New York 2 of whom improved a lot and 2 who improved a little. Report USA https://www.drugs.com/history/leronlimab.html Page 1 of 1
    Leronlimab (PRO 140) “Humanized IgG4 monoclonal antibody (mAb)
    Not Approved by the FDA.” To be used in 2 clinical trials Report USA https://www.drugs.com/medical-answers/leronlimab-pro-140-treat-covid-19-coronavirus-3535182/ Page 1 of 1
    lopinavir/ritonavir An HIV drug called Kaletra, repurposed. MSM Article Australia https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8115879/COVID-19-Australian-researchers-CURE-coronavirus.html Page 1 of 1
    Magnesium https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/EVMS_Critical_Care_COVID-19_Protocol.pdf Page 1 of 1
    Melatonin Immune support Melatonin Helps Lessen Severity Risk In COVID-19 Patients By Preventing Cytokine Storms Report Thailand https://www.thailandmedical.news/news/breaking-covid-19-supplements-melatonin-helps-lessen-severity-risk-in-covid-19-patients-by-preventing-cytokine-storms Page 1 of 1
    Melatonin Immune support Melatonin Helps Lessen Severity Risk In COVID-19 Patients By Preventing Cytokine Storms News https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/EVMS_Critical_Care_COVID-19_Protocol.pdf Page 1 of 1
    Methylprednisolone https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/EVMS_Critical_Care_COVID-19_Protocol.pdf Page 1 of 1
    N-Acetyl Cysteine Known as NAC. Glutathione deficiency replacement Hypothesis Russia “https://www.researchgate.net/publication/340917045_Endogenous_deficiency_of_glutathione_as_the_most_likely_cause_
    of_serious_manifestations_and_death_from_novel_coronavirus_infection_COVID-19_a_hypothesis_based_on_literature_data_and_own_observations” Page 1 of 1
    Nicotine MSM Article Page 1 of 1
    norepinephrine https://www.evms.edu/media/evms_public/departments/internal_medicine/EVMS_Critical_Care_COVID-19_Protocol.pdf Page 1 of 1
    Quercetin An alternative to Chloroquine based drugs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quercetin Page 1 of 1
    Quercetin An alternative to Chloroquine based drugs. History of use as an anti-viral https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4728566/ Page 1 of 1
    Remdesivir Unsuccessful Ebola drug, now repurposed for COVID-19. Study of various various drugs. Study https://www.nature.com/articles/s41422-020-0282-0.pdf Page 1 of 1
    Sarilumab An interleukin-6 (IL-6) receptor antagonist A very useful roundup of drugs in use or to be trialled with descriptions. Report USA https://www.drugs.com/condition/covid-19.html Page 1 of 1
    Stem cell injections Chinese claim. MSM Article https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8116881/Doctor-claims-breakthrough-stem-cell-injections-treat-coronavirus.html Page 1 of 1
    Tocilizumab An interleukin-6 (IL-6) receptor antagonist A very useful roundup of drugs in use or to be trialled with descriptions. Report USA https://www.drugs.com/condition/covid-19.html Page 1 of 1
    Umifenovir Antiviral drug marketed as Arbidol. A very useful roundup of drugs in use or to be trialled with descriptions. USA https://www.drugs.com/condition/covid-19.html Page 1 of 1
    UV Light Irradiation of Blood or Lungs 2 recommendations, one for blood and one for lungs. Under development Report https://aytubio.com/healight/ Page 1 of 1
    UV Light Irradiation of Blood or Lungs 2 recommendations, one for blood and one for lungs. UV Irradiation of the blood. Report https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4783265/ Page 1 of 1
    Vitamin B12 “Immune Booster.
    No Data.” Page 1 of 1
    Vitamin C Given during other treatments and as Immune booster. Shanghai Government Officially Recommends Vitamin C for COVID-19 Report China http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v16n16.shtml Page 1 of 1
    Vitamin C Given during other treatments and as Immune booster. Incomplete study. Vitamin C infusion given to 252 patients with pneumonia, but was ineffective at late stages. Study China https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04264533 Page 1 of 1
    Vitamin C Given during other treatments and as Immune booster. MSM article explaining the benefits of various Vitamins, Zinc and Selenium. MSM Article Thailand https://www.bangkokpost.com/thailand/pr/1880695/vitamin-drip-with-instant-immune-boosting-protection-against-covid-19 Page 1 of 1
    Vitamin C Given during other treatments and as Immune booster. Proposed study Clinical Study Italy https://www.clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04323514 Page 1 of 1
    Vitamin D Immune Booster, shows up as a deficiency in patients. A study of 780 people with COVID Report Indonesia https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3585561 Page 1 of 1
    Vitamin D Immune Booster, shows up as a deficiency in patients. DM report on a study by Queen Elizabeth Hospital Foundation Trust and the University of East Anglia MSM Article UK https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-8277775/People-low-levels-Vitamin-D-likely-die-COVID-19-infection.html Page 1 of 1
    Vitamin D Immune Booster, shows up as a deficiency in patients. Telegraph article MSM Article Phillippines https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/05/03/time-take-seriously-link-vitamin-d-deficiency-serious-covid/ Page 1 of 1
    Vitamin D Immune Booster, shows up as a deficiency in patients. Report on correlation between COVID-19 and Vit D deficiency. Report USA https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.04.24.20075838v1 Page 1 of 1
    Vitamin D Immune Booster, shows up as a deficiency in patients. Study and hypothesis of Vit D levels in COVID-19 patients Report India https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3593258#.XrE0oF1wSjU.twitter Page 1 of 1
    Zinc “Immune Booster.
    Virus soread inhibitor” Page 1 of 1

  75. A C Osborn says:

    EM I have posted an updated list that has gone to Moderation.

  76. cdquarles says:

    @AC,
    What if it doesn’t fail? There will be some for whom the zinc won’t be needed and some where the zinc will be trouble; so good studies with and without zinc still should be done, so for those who do need all three can be helped without harming those who don’t need all three.

  77. A C Osborn says:

    cd, but there doen’t appear to be a plan in this study for all 3.
    When you have a recommended course of treatment they should at least test it.
    This seems to be a common theme.

  78. cdquarles says:

    Indeed, yet did I not see that others were doing all three?

  79. A C Osborn says:

    Yes, I think at least one study is.

  80. Another Ian says:

    “Evidence grows that Coronavirus was man-made: the bat virus it “evolved” from appears to be faked”

    http://joannenova.com.au/2020/05/is-coronavirus-man-made-the-bat-virus-it-evolved-from-appears-to-be-faked/

    More reason to trust those Chinese numbers? (/s)

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