W.O.O.D. – 28 May 2020


This is another of the W.O.O.D. series of semi-regular
Weekly Occasional Open Discussions.
(i.e. if I forget and skip one, no big)

Immediate prior one here:

and remains open for threads running there (at least until the ‘several month’ auto-close of comments on stale threads).

Canonical list of old ones here:

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What’s Going On?

Chinese Wuhan Covid

It looks like folks have decided on “F-it” per lock-down. In L.A. a skate park that had been filled with sand was emptied by a hoard of kids with buckets, brooms, whatever. Police, who have an office about 200 yards away, decided not to try to arrest a mob of kids…

The radio reported the road to the beaches up here (near San Francisco) had their usual Memorial Day Weekend traffic jams.

Several Judges have been handing down rulings that various State Executives have no right to suspend Human Rights and / or the Bill Of Rights.

We know now that about 34% of the population are immune from cross immunity with other Corona Virus types. About 1/4 of the population (kids) get near nothing for symptoms. Another 1/2 between about 30 and 60 are variously minor symptoms or if deficient in nutrients (Vit-D, C, E, Zinc, Selenium) and indoors all the time can have bad symptoms. It’s only the 60+ folks who have really high risk, and those often with significant health issues (that likely keep them out of the sun so low on Vit-D and / or in poor nutritional status in general). That group ought to stay at home for a while, get their vitamin and mineral levels up, and use masks when out and about (at least until this passes).

Between kids, the already immune, and getting some sun and zinc: It is looking like herd immunity kicks in very early and is already settling in around the world. In any case, there’s treatments known to the general cognoscenti even if The News and DNC and WHO and CDC want to ignore them to get better bribo from the Big Pharma Lobby.

So while I’ll be doing “watchful waiting” on the case numbers, I suspect this is wrapping up.

It has its own set of threads to follow in its own category: Covid-19.


Has put their butt in the wringer with trying to Blackmail Australia. Not only is that a strategy likely to fail, it is also going to piss off all the Friends Of Australia (that’s a lot of the world).

Season this with blatant Lies and Deception out of China and the Chinese Communist Party is likely looking at a bumpy road ahead. Their general tight emotional state seems to be breaking out in a hard take-down of Hong Kong. This is going to tip their hand to the Rest Of World (anyone not already aware of it…) just how horrid Authoritarian Dictatorships (even if a Party Dictator) can be. What it says to all the other members of the Anglosphere and Democratic West is “China Hates Your Guts, despises your God Given Liberties, and wishes to crush them.”

Oddly, Victoria in Australia has signed up for Belt And Roads (and the Debt Diplomacy Handcuffs that come with it). Didn’t know that States in Australia could have their own foreign policy…

So “watch this space” as China is in the mood to stomp on somebody, is very twitchy about “looking bad” over Chinese Wuhan Covid Virus, and is shoving folks around. They will be able to sling enough $Millions at a lot of folks to buy some friends, but then we will know just who was bought, now won’t we?

Personally, I’m not knowingly buying anything made in China for a good long while. I don’t need to send my money to an Evil Empire crushing liberty globally and that wants me dead, having killed over 1/3 of a Million people globally, so far, with their virus.

Stock Markets

The stock market has just done a straight bounce off the bottom and not done a Dead Cat Bounce. Folks seem to be just ignoring things like the string of bankruptcies so far (Hertz, 24 Hour Fitness, and more) and the potential for a lot more bankruptcies (airlines, hotel chains, malls, retail…)

I’m still nervous about it, but it looks like “Don’t Fight The Fed” and the congressional wall of money being shoved at financial assets matters the most. So looks like I failed to “call the bottom” and folks are starting to bet on Business As Usual Real Soon Now. Still worried about the potential for bankruptcies, but picking secure companies and / or indexes is likely the way to go (so, defense, paper goods, Target, Walmart {big box} and avoiding transports, hospitality…)


The EU is still trying to stop any effective BREXIT. Barnier has been swapping love letters with UK Remoaner parties pushing for a 2 year “extension” no doubt to collect the added money as well as have time to mount a rejoin campaign. Boris best just get the hell out as fast as possible on WTO terms and spend his time cutting deals with the USA and CANZUK. Canada, Australia, New Zealand, UK as a CANZUK block is trending in some circles. Make it so! Perhaps also see about bringing in India and a few of the various other Islands around the globe that are Commonwealth members.

Food Stuff

Ice Age Farmer has a couple of videos that lay out some real crap happening now. Seems the UN is actively pushing for the EU to do “sustainable” agriculture to include things like cutting out meat and replacing it with bug protein. No joke. He put up copies of the docs.

Then, the USDA has just granted permission to make ingredient substitutions without label changes “due to shortages” of some foods. Supposedly only for the duration of the problems, but… Now I “get it” that you don’t want to order a whole new batch of labels just because you can’t get soybean oil but can get corn oil. I’m OK with that. But this also lets folks substitute ANY protein for any other protein. Now Ice Age Farmer plays up the bug protein and non-meat vegetable meat substitutes. Maybe someone will “go there”, but I doubt it. The downside reputational risk is just too high. BUT, I could see some “creative extenders” used.

The bottom line is that food quality and availability issues are continuing. One hopes with the ongoing push to get back to business this is going to be a temporary blip. One prepares for the alternative…

Related to this, The Garden:

I’ve got a LOT of bean leaves and a few pods of beans starting. Since you can use bean leaves as a pot herb, this confirms “greens” as the fastest food you can grow in a hurry. I’ve also got some Sweet Potatoes putting up nice greens and I’m going to try cooking some of them to see what I think. With all the beans & rice I’ve got prepped, this would add enough greens to be a decent “getting by” meal plan.

I also note that potatoes have been very easy for me to get growing in pots (big ones ;-). I’m getting some heat stress so will pull them more into the shade tomorrow. Potatoes are an important part of any Victory Garden, IMHO.

So for “basics”, I’d say make sure you have potatoes, sweet potatoes (for greens and tubers), depending on season and temperatures, some of: green beans / Limas / Runner Beans / Yard long / cowpeas, peas, and some onions or garlic for flavor. I’d also have some kale / collards / etc depending on your local temperatures. You can eat the leaves on broccoli and cauliflower too. Then lettuce for salads and of course radishes as fast flavor. If you can eat corn (I can’t due to a food allergy), it’s great i the mix too. Then there’s the Summer Squash and Winter Squash (flowered but not fruited yet, for me) All the other stuff (carrots, celery, etc) are nice buy not core.

I’ve set up a shop light with LED tubes and will be slowly working up some indoor hydroponics with that, but not until the summer sun is used up ;-)

The EU

Any bets on who bails out of the EU next? They want to issue a few €Trillion of debt and are arguing over who will be on the hook for it. Italy needs the money, but Germany doesn’t want to be on the hook for the Italians. The EU is saying they will issue the bonds anyway, and the German High Court said “not on our mark”…

So a huge schism is developing with EU Supreme Court vs German Supreme Court.

I’m thinking that unless the EU Countries get back to full economic production inside a month, 2 at the outside, it’s going to be under such stresses that it must break up. Does anyone really think Italian & Greek tourism businesses are going to be booming in July? That folks in the UK will be buying loads of Mercedes & BMWs in June?

The EU Establishment are continuing to push various power grabs (integrated military, integrated finances) even as even the most ardent Pro EU member States are getting grumpy. How many more Paris riots before Macron is tossed?

I just don’t see the EU pulling off an economic miracle recovery any time soon. Nor do I see the Mediterranean Nations able to meet their requirements to stay in without it. Nor Germany financing it all.

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359 Responses to W.O.O.D. – 28 May 2020

  1. Bill In Oz says:

    China is in a real pickle re Australia. They don’t want our beef or barley. But they do really need iron ore and lots of it. There are only 2 big iron ore exporters. Australia & Brazil.
    But the CCP’s Corona virus has hit Brazil hard and has reduced production. So now there is real shortage of iron ore for the CCP’s Chinese steel mills. So Iron ore is now selling for US $100 a ton & rising.
    And Australia is the only stable mass iron ore supplier still in the export game.

    Ohhh the irony !

    PS Maybe we should slip them some ‘free’ beef for the barbie & some barley so they can drown their sorrows in decent beer. Paid for via iron ore gross profits !! Hehe…

  2. Another Ian says:

    Give it a try Bill

    “Tsingtao is a German styled blonde lager / pilsner (which is Czech) made in china by an English and German joint venture and it is exactly as it is meant to be. Very good beer for a hot day, light, crisp and suitably zesty. None of this “pour in more hops” wank thats been going on for a few years. ”

    And reviews

  3. jim2 says:

    Bill In Oz: Sell iron ore to China, but at a stiff price. Trump has led the way with manipulation via economics rather than the barrel of a gun! The West needs to starve China in every way possible until China is a toothless mongrel. That might bring about much needed change there without anyone having to fire a shot. Trump is Genius!

  4. Bill In Oz says:

    Yes I think those Chinese need good barley for their Tsingtao beer. But if they want to be silly I guess they will just have to make do with malting barley from some other place willing to sell it to them. What about the USA ? Would Trump allow China to create a US beer shortage ? seems so of doubtful !

  5. E.M.Smith says:

    As noted here:
    Not a lot of places produce enough barley to replace Australian supply. They already have a customer base. It won’t be easy for China to change suppliers in size. Malting barley even less.

    Essentially France is the only one significantly bigger (about double Australia at 20%) then three are about 11% of global exports each each – Russia, Australia, Argentina. The USA is irrelevant to barley exports really. We rank number 21 at about 1/20 of Australian exports.

    So how long do you think China will pay the higher fuel bills of driving their COSCO Ships past Australia all the way to France and back?

    FWIW: I’d guess it is much more about not being able to meet contract obligations and trying to turn that into a political claim. They have lost most of their hogs and that is their major meat source. Don’t know how much barley went to hog feed, but they will need to stop a huge level of imports of grains & legumes for hog feed. Then nobody in big regions working for a couple of months: will they really be buying beef? Or something cheaper?

    FWIW China has also stopped imports of fish during the pandemic. Seems curious until you realize their ability to handle it was shut down.

    So just turn your barley into beer and beef at home, then invite the ‘Mericans, Kiwis, and Brits round for a BBQ on the beaches. I’m pretty sure we can handle the volume! Hell, have the USA Pacific Fleet stop by and we’ll drink your pubs dry!

  6. E.M.Smith says:

    Thinking about this a bit……

    I bet it would not take a big participation level in a “Friends of Australia Fridays” trend to make a dent. (Or call it F… China Fridays). It is likely hard to find Australian beef in the USA (don’t know where or how to find it) and, IIRC Fosters is now made in the USA as just another brand…. but I’m pretty sure a trip to BevMo (Beverages And More) will turn up some actual Australian beer, wine, or whisky.

    OK, it’s on then. This Friday I’m swapping to Australian for a bit of an F-China Party. Make it a trend. Tell your friends. #FriendsOfAustraliaFridays or something. (#FCFridays?)

  7. Nancy & John Hultquist says:

    In the “Brexit” paragraph you mention India and Commonwealth. There is a problem.

    In the May issue of Wired magazine there is an article titled “The Influencer” (reference to Vivek Premi).
    on line here

    [an aside: We are not going to continue with Wired because much of the material is useless (to us), but this issue has several good pieces – none indicated on the cover. Odd!]

    The India article is by Mohammad Ali, with the heading that India is an experiment in social-media-fueled terror.
    The influencer (Premi) uses social media to maintain anti-Muslim surveillance and attacks by the Hindu majority in the name of Hindutva – an ideology that aims to refashion** India into a state for Hindus. (now 80% versus 14%Muslim)

    ** its constitution, completed in 1950, put in place a secular and democratic republic

  8. A C Osborn says:

    Re COVID-19.

    What is the latest Remdesivir Study hiding?
    Remdesivir has a very chequered history.
    It’s clinical trial for Ebola had a very poor outcome with 53% of patients dying compared to 35% for othe ranti-virals.
    In the Chinese COVID-19 Study Remdesivir did not do well, “Adverse events were reported in 102 (66%) of 155 remdesivir recipients versus 50 (64%) of 78 placebo recipients. Remdesivir was stopped early because of adverse events in 18 (12%) patients versus four (5%) patients who stopped placebo early.”
    Another COVID-19 study of 53 patients also did not go well, it had a mortality rate of 13%.

    This latest study here


    is very interesting, first of all it was bought & paid for by Gilead and sponsored by the NIAIDS department of NIH.
    The first thing to notice is that this is a preliminary report that was rushed out to get FDA approval, which was obtained by May 1st and UK NHS approved it yesterday.
    It was in no way unbiased as 8 of the Doctors involved were in some kind of financial remuneration from Gilead.
    It was also an unethical study as they persuaded Doctors to recruit 538 Patients to be put on Remdesivir and 521 patients who would be given a Placebo, which I assume means no actual medication as it doesn’t state standard medication.
    The patients were put in one of 4 clinical groups based on their Baseline stage of infection.
    1. Hospitalized, not requiring supplemental oxygen, requiring ongoing medical care (Covid-19–related or otherwise).
    2. Hospitalized, requiring supplemental oxygen
    3. Hospitalized, receiving noninvasive ventilation or high-flow oxy-gen devices
    4. Hospitalized, receiving invasive mechanical ventilation or ECMO
    From Table 1 we get
    Group 1 – 67 Patients on Remedesivir 60 Patients on Placebo
    Group 2 – 222 Patients on Remedesivir 199 Patients on Placebo
    Group 3 – 98 Patients on Remedesivir 99 Patients on Placebo
    Group 4 – 125 Patients on Remedesivir 147 Patients on Placebo

    Right there we can see bias towards Remedesivir, 23 more patients in Group 2 with less severe symptomsand 22 less in the worst group, Group 4.

    The concluson from this study which was all over the MSM and the basis for gaining FDA approval was as follows.
    “Remdesivir was superior to placebo in shortening the time to recovery in adults hospitalized with Covid-19 and evidence of lower respiratory tract infection.”

    But the devil is in the detail which can be found in the Supplemental Appendix here.

    Click to access nejmoa2007764_appendix.pdf

    We get more interesting information in Table S1
    Although they brag about it being in many countries there were only 52 Patients in Asia and 163 in Europe, the rest were in North America.
    But it is the allocation by Ethnicity which produces another small problem
    77 Asian Patients on Remedesivir 57 Asian Patients on Placebo.
    108 African American Patients on Remedesivir 111 African American Patients on Placebo.
    Yet another “unintentional” bias?

    Moving on to the Outcomes in Table S2 we have a summary after 14 days, which is what this report for the FDA is based on.
    32 (6%) Patients died on Remedesivir and 54 (10%) Patients died on the Placebo.
    They state “The Kaplan–Meier estimates of mortality by 14 days were 7.1% and 11.9% in the Remdesivir and placebo groups”

    The overall results after 29 days were
    334 patients in the Remdesivir group and 279 in the Placebo group had recovered
    132 patients in the Remdesivir group and 169 in the Placebo group had not recovered
    49 had Remdesivir treatment discontinued before day 10 because of an adverse event or a serious adverse event other than death.
    53 patients discontinued placebo before day 10 because of an adverse event or a serious adverse event other than death. How can you discontinue a non-medicine?
    It also means that as they did not complete the study the overall percentages will change because the group sizes of recovered/not recovered have changed

    It would appear from the sum of all those numbers that the 14 day deaths may be included in the “not recovered” patients as we end up with more patients than started the study.

    Now on to the major piece of information that is missing, athough they have data up to day 29 of the trial they have only published Deaths up to day 14.
    But they have this to say about the lack of data
    “The Kaplan–Meier estimates of mortality by 28 days are not reported in this preliminary analysis, given the large number of patients that had yet to complete day 29 visits.”
    But that should not have prevented them from providing the actual number that had died by day 29, or are they trying to suggest that there were no more deaths after day 14?
    As we know the normal mortality rate for Mechanically Respirated patients is in the region of 50% and can be as high as 80% and gets worse the longer they or on there.
    Taking the lower value that means that under normal circumstances we would expect 125/2 = 62 Deaths for Remdesivir and 147/2 = 73 Deaths for the Placebo.
    Yet they only reported 32 and 54 deaths.

  9. cdquarles says:

    ACO nails it. Small study numbers, uses probably skewed test statistics with p-values. This study likely will not hold up.

  10. rocketplumber says:

    The pushback against HCQ (“Ohmigod! Tachycardia!”) is irrelevant because quercetin appears to do the job in combination with zinc, add vitamins C and D and anyone not already circling the drain should be protected against WuFlu and many other viruses:


    Complete paper:

    I suspect that once the knowledge of the Q+Z+C+D combo gets out, sickness of many causes will go way down. Certainly, I’m going to use QZCD for the rest of my life.

    Checking prices on Amazon, you can do 500-50-1000-0.125 mg of each for $0.35 per day. No-brainer.

  11. jim2 says:

    Trump is on TV now letting the hammer down on the tech companies. If they edit content, they lose liability protections. They have stepped in it big time!

  12. Another Ian says:


    Firefox is giving a “blocked by X-frame-optiions policy” warning to your link above

  13. Bill In Oz says:

    E M If your interest is in shares BHP & RioTinto are the iron ore producers to watch :-)
    Friday is here and no doubt there will be folks here doing a ‘F China Friday’ all across the Australia’s rural districts where ever folks were selling meat or barley into China..

    BTW I acknowledge your comment on African Swine Fever. It has wiped out pig populations all across China, the Philippines, Thailand, Taiwan etc… So I guess they will need to eat chook in all those countries for a while.. But chooks need grain to grow…Ummmm ?

    PS Can I put in a plug for Coopers brewed here in South Australia..A nice connesieurs drop.

  14. E.M.Smith says:

    @Bill In Oz:

    Is Coopers exported to the USA? Or even California? ( 8-)

    Let the Chinese eat bats and rodents. Send your Beef over here! We know how to BBQ it right! (Though Texas and Memphis will argue endlessly about which is better, so don’t mention Kansas City is the best in their presence…)

    Though I have to admit that Texas 18 hour Brisket is hard to beat….

    FWIW, I’ve already started my #FCFriday (on Australian time) here:
    and I’m really hoping the party goes global…

  15. YMMV says:

    Another Ian: “Norway Says The Lockdown Was Unnecessary”

    Following the links back, this was reported here in English

    The consensus before was that lockdowns were necessary. That consensus is slipping.
    A perfectly tight two week lockdown (only possible in theory and in China) was replaced by a leaky lockdown which goes on and on. It appears to have worked somewhat, but if you look closer, that is not obvious. It was put on too late, just as the virus was about to fade out — that is going to be the new consensus. Explained in this video.

  16. Another Ian says:

    Well if abortions are an essential service then

    “German Brothel Operator Files Lawsuit over Coronavirus Restrictions”


  17. Another Ian says:

    Coopers do good home brew kits too

  18. A C Osborn says:

    Another Ian says: 28 May 2020 at 9:02 pm
    This is to summary, it has links to the other PDFs


  19. Bill In Oz says:

    Do Coopers export to anywhere ?
    A good question as we drink a lot ourselves here in SA
    And try ( usually ) to keep it sort of secret..
    I brewed up a some of their home brew kits a while back but got lazy..


  20. E.M.Smith says:

    I’ve noticed a tendency to get lazy after doing a big batch of home brew too! About a half gallon after!


  21. A C Osborn says:

    Doctors criticise latest HCQ study.


    Most of the comments show that the public know just what is going on.

  22. p.g.sharrow says:

    A new study has revealed that more than 80 percent of passengers and crew members on a cruise ship that contracted COVID-19 were asymptomatic.


    The research, published in the scientific journal Thorax, notes that 128 of 217 passengers and crew members tested positive for the disease caused by SARS-CoV-2. Of those, 81 percent did not show symptoms, leading researchers to conclude “the prevalence of COVID-19 on affected cruise ships is likely to be significantly underestimated.”

  23. A C Osborn says:
  24. Power Grab says:

    Can we talk about how to avoid being targeted by the tracers? Since Gov Whitmer gave money to Dimocraps to do the tracing, and we know they like to target conservatives, and since the CDC is known to have instructed hospitals to put on every death certificate that the cause was Covid…what is to prevent the Dims from getting the people doing the Covid testing to always say conservatives are infected and sentence them to 2 weeks confinement…especially if it’s 2 weeks prior to the election?

  25. Power Grab says:

    Here is an article about a different protocol for treating Covid:


    Here is an excerpt:

    “The protocols call for the use of intravenous methylprednisolone, vitamin C and subcutaneous heparin within six hours of admission into the hospital, along with high-flow nasal oxygen.

    Optional additions include thiamine, zinc and vitamin D. COVID-19 kills by triggering hyperinflammation, hypercoagulation and hypoxia. The MATH+ protocol addresses these three core pathological processes.”

  26. E.M.Smith says:

    Trump just announced we’re quitting the W.H.O. and ending funding. Also limiting Chinese researchers in the USA and tighter rules on Chinese companies.

    Eliminating policies that give Hong Kong special treatment.

  27. philjourdan says:

    China is the distraction. They did their all in on the virus, and it was a good bluff. But they did not have enough to bluff.

    They lost. THe only winning move for them now is their Manchurian candidate, ,Biden.

  28. Another Ian says:

    On the current performance

    “Demo(lition) rats”?


  29. ossqss says:

    So let’s see, lock everyone up for months, lose 40 million jobs, and light a fuse. I am seeing the SHTF mode across the country. The sad thing is most probably have no idea why they are there, but just pissed off overall, and under the covers the Occupy and Antifa “bused” in trouble makers are agitating things even further. Just like Ferguson, outsiders burn down local businesses, not the residents that rely on those businesses. Just sayin, the composition is explosive, but very different this time.

  30. E.M.Smith says:

    CNN HQ front being trashed by rioters.
    Whitehouse in lockdown from protesters.

    So who is instigating and organizing this crisis to exploit?

  31. Another Ian says:

    “If The Rioting Seems Coordinated”

    “That’s because it is.”

    Link at


  32. Another Ian says:

    As we sy here “Time for a reading of the Riot Act”

  33. Another Ian says:


    For your bread collection

    “English bread regulations in the 18th century”


  34. Another Ian says:

    “The return of the windjammers?”


    Eric Newby (an English travel writer and a good read IMO) sailed on one in the last clipper grain race from Australia to UK just before WW2

  35. E.M.Smith says:

    Watched a few hours of riots and destruction on the MSM, often neatly linked to the Trump Tweet about THUGS and claiming it is a racist term (since when?) . So now I’m thinking Twitter was part of the setup, flagging a Trump Tweet as “violent” on queue.

    Since one of the involved cities has riots about 4 miles from me, tonight is being spent with My Little Friend Beretta by the bed.

    Right out of the Color Revolution Playbook, no doubt funded by Soros. But strange how the Antifa Riots only happen in Democrat cities….

  36. H.R. says:

    @E.M. – Democrat cities in States with Democrat governors.

    Governor Walz (MN) called out the National Guard, but all reports I’ve seen so far is that they have not been given any orders. Reports on what actions the MN National Guard are taking are that they are nowhere to be found because… no orders. All called up and no place to go.

  37. Bill In Oz says:

    I remember watching he riots on 1968 in the USA on TV.
    On that occasion it guaranteed the election of Richard Nixon as the American public viewed the Democrats as a complete rabble.

    I wondering if a similar result will play out this time in 2020 with a re-elected Trump ?

  38. E.M.Smith says:

    @Bill In Oz:

    The ’68 riots were more organic and in some sense more justified as there was real racism at work and real injury to whole black communities.

    These riots are Antifa Black Block tactics, organized, funded (likely via Soros groups) as part of a Color Revolution attempt against Trump. (We’ve read their handbook and these actions match it). It is an attempt to create a racist narrative and divide where there is none. White, Black, Republican, Democrat are all aligned on the question of that Citizen, who happened to be black, having been subject to tactics that are NOT approved due to the risk of death. Police across the nation are calling out that cop as committing abuse.

    We’ll ignore for the moment that the autopsy showed cause of death was not suffocation but some drug he was on mixed with a defect of some kind (only heard one news report and not seen the actual results… and one news reader doesn’t give you much technical to go on). He WAS put in a posture subject to positional asphyxiation and held there for many minutes, even after he stopped doing anything (i.e. comatose or dead). Most likely he’d not have died if left alone even if cause were his own physiology mixed with drugs (and in any case, calling an ambulance instead of knee on the neck).

    So HE is not the cause of these riots. The POLICE are not the cause of these riots. ANTIFA and their supporters / community organizers are the cause of these riots.

    Oh, and they are not “protests”. You don’t run around breaking windows and setting things on fire as a “protest”. You do that as a riot. In San Jose the freeway was halted and then young males with metal rods (tire irons or whatever) worked down the line of cars breaking windows with people inside having no clue what or why.

    So this is organized coordinated political Street Theatre in the attempt at a Color Revolution, not a “protest”.

    A black radio host pointed out that your odds of dying from a police action, as an unarmed black man, are less than your odds of being hit by lightning. Whites die in higher numbers, percents, and rates. (Plenty of cranky white guys) THE key is just not to give cops shit and when confronted, just quietly surrender. Race doesn’t matter, attitude does.

    As per effect on the election: I expect the impact will be close to nil. A very large number of folks are aware of the game now. The “camps” are pretty evenly divided between Trump Supporters and TDS sufferers with little motion between them. To the extent this increases some Black Rage (via the rage race baiters) it will be aimed at local Police not The Donald (who has already condemned the whole thing). Those Blacks who are more aware will see this as the Dems driving their usual politics of division and hatred and attempting to keep Blexit at bay and retain the plantation mentality. Those who are more easily mislead will take the bait. In the end you just get more polarization, not a movement of numbers.

    Essentially, in Trump Counties it will confirm he’s the guy they want and “this kind of crap” is not. In the Democrat Cities, they already are in the bag for whatever Party Puppet Idiot the Dims put up as the ticket, and they are the places being trashed, so any shift of votes won’t move the needle. Especially the Electoral College needled.

    The Dims are going all out with their Politics Of Destruction, be it plague, riot, inflation, whatever; in an attempt to ruin the nation if that’s what it takes to grab power and get the graft / bribe money flowing again. They are running very scared and “pulling out all the stops”, so I expect this to get worse until November. But they failed to notice that their preferred propaganda outlets (MSM / LSM / YSM of ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN…) have near zero viewers other than those already “on side” AND there’s a whole lot of folks busy pointing out the guys pulling the puppet strings.

    With any luck enough folks will be getting Really Pissed Off enough with their (obvious) ‘destruction as goal’ actions and they will lose horribly in November. I know a lot of folks who are swearing “never again any Democrat”. And that’s here in Liberal LaLaLand with folks who were Democrats at one time. (I was a registered Democrat at one time about 30 years ago. Been an independent since then.)

    Until this is over, be aware and prepared.

    FWIW, I’m in a sleepy suburban area away from where Antifa Riots happen (always downtown under the spotlights) so not very worried. Plus not driving much anyway. BUT, if I need to go anywhere, it will be in one of the Crappy Cars, and NOT to the downtown areas after noon, and WITH a “persuader” of some sort in the cabin. Then, given their new tactic of blocking freeways and breaking car windows; via surface streets as much as possible. Still need to get my Black Hoodie ordered (so that I can suddenly “blend in” if needed by wearing their uniform…) and I need to make a black masks to go with my Disney theme ones, but whatever…

    For at least this one person, the Antifa Crap Riots are just cementing my resolve to never vote for the Democrats who are allowing this to happen via “letting them have room to blow off steam”. They are not blowing off steam, they are getting an adrenaline hit from breaking windows and lighting fires. But I’m also sure there’s someone else feeling like they have been empowered at last who will vote the other way. More polarizing less benefit.

  39. ossqss says:

    Upon watching the activities last night, it has made for some difficult accessorizing decisions for going out today. Should I go with the Judge, 30S, 19, Security 6, or maybe the P85DC?

    I think the 19 and the Sub2000 might be the best for redundant compatibility purposes, and they match my boots best ; -)

    Crazy world…….

  40. YMMV says:

    E.M.Smith: “The ’68 riots”
    Is that referring to the MLK riots in DC and ten other cities?

    Riots come and go but they are not rare. I would like to see a full list.
    There was Stonewall 1969 (gay), Detroit 1990 (NBA victory), LA 1992 (Rodney King), and much much more. Race is a common theme. Watts 1965, was that the first of type?

    Going back a ways, there were many peaceful protests and demonstrations against the Vietnam war, but not so many riots and no looting? Or is that just the fog of history?

  41. Terry Jackson says:

    A paper in pre-print
    Povidone-Iodine Nasal And Oral Antiseptic Preparations Against Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome-Coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2)

    It works in dilute concentrations.

  42. E.M.Smith says:

    @Terrry Jackson:

    Gee a kind of an Iodine bleach… someone ought to tell the TDS folks…

    (Yes, I know it stains a brownish iodine color, but it is also oxidizer similar to what chlorine does, just more mild)


    Really the whole era around then. From L.A. Watts in 1965 on
    Including the Chicago 1968 King riots
    Even into the ’70s
    Peetering out some time after that. By the 80s & 90s it just wasn’t a very productive area for The Left to exploit anymore. They have been trying to keep it alive and restart a race war ever since, longing for the good old days of crisis and exploitation.

  43. Another Ian says:

    “In today’s news we frame a military veteran and actively participate in a coup against a legally elected government. Then, we’ll whip up some racial frenzy and make money from pharmaceutical ads while we film you burning each others’ shit.
    In other news, protesters are attacking our headquarters and we don’t know what we did to deserve it.” ”


  44. Another Ian says:

    “After a thorough search of all the looted businesses, no work boots or work uniforms were stolen. ”


  45. Phil Jourdan says:

    The riots are being orchestrated by Soros and crew, but the peons are real. George Floyd was the spark that lit the tinder, but the tinder was the lockdown. You cannot keep a society bottled up – or masked – for an indefinite period of time. So it is no wonder the riots are in blue states and cities as the democrats are trying to do just that.

    It will only get worse until they remove the restrictions.

    And while, in hind sight, the lockdown was NOT necessary, I did support it at the time, for the original purpose. To flatten the curve. However that has long since passed. Now the only reason for it is to show the unwashed masses who the tin plated dictators really are. For those that follow the news, we already knew. But this is to demonstrate to the rest who is boss.

    That is also why you will NOT see reported the original justification for the suspension of rights and the Constitution. That would remind people that the continuation is both illegal and useless.

  46. Compu Gator says:

    E.M.Smith replied 30 May 2020 at 9:45 am GMT:
    Watched a few hours of riots and destruction on the MSM, often neatly linked to the Trump Tweet about THUGS and claiming it is a racist term

    So many English words have practically lost their perfectly useful literal meanings, thro’ variations on marginal literacy. So for describing Antifa and B. Lives Matter, I contend that Pres. Trump used the word “thugs” with a meaning that was plenty close enough to its literal nonracist original meaning as borrowed & Anglicized in an overseas British colony.

    There is a segment in the PBS series The Story of EnglishEnglish [*], in which a short debate has started in the newsroom of an Indian-staffed but English-language newspaper. The appeal of English, in a country where it’s the native language of very few people, is its value as a bridge language. The debate was about the acceptability of a word used in a draft by the assigned reporter. which had been borrowed & Anglicized from Indian languages. I.I.r.c., the word was thug.  The debate was not over whether it might be perceived as “racist“, but instead, whether enough of their readers would understand the meaning of that word in a story written in English. It’s possible that the word being debated was the closely related dacoit. It certainly seems to be largely unknown on this side of The Pond. I.I.r.c., whichever word was being debated, the editors decided to accept it.

    Thuggee (UK: /θʌˈɡiː/, US: /ˈθʌɡi/) refers to the acts of Thugs, an organised gang of professional robbers and murderers. The English language word thug traces its roots to the Hindi ठग (ṭhag), which means ‘swindler‘ or ‘deceiver‘. Related words are the verb thugna (‘to deceive’), from the Sanskrit स्थग (sthaga ‘cunning, sly, fraudulent’) and स्थगति (sthagati, ‘he conceals’).[3] This term, describing the murder and robbery of travellers, was popular in the northern parts of the Indian subcontinent and particularly India. [….]


    Dacoity is a term used for “banditry” in the Indian subcontinent. The spelling is the anglicised version of the Hindustani word daaku, “dacoit” is a colloquial Indian English word with this meaning, it appears in the Glossary of Colloquial Anglo-Indian Words and Phrases (1903).[1] Banditry is criminal activity involving robbery by groups of armed bandits. The East India Company established the Thuggee and Dacoity Department in 1830, and the Thuggee and Dacoity Suppression Acts, 1836–1848 were enacted in British India under East India Company rule. Areas with ravines or forests, such as Chambal and Chilapata Forests, were once known for dacoits. [….] Many dacoity also posed as social bandits [†] toward the local poor, paying medical bills and funding weddings. One ex-dacoit described his own criminal past by claiming that “I was a rebel.  I fought injustice.”[2] [….] Indian police forces use “Known Dacoit” (K.D.) as a label to classify criminals. [….]


    I concede that review would indicate that neither word literally means nor implies “rioting“, “looting” (i.e., “mob burglary“), or “arson“, but both “thug” and “dacoit” imply organization, which seems to be a fundamental aspect of the uncivil urban violence of the past week.

    Note *: Hosted by “Robin” Mac(?)Neil(l?), coänchor of The Mac(?)Neil(l?)-Lehrer Report, ca. 1985. (I inserted ‘?’ because Firefox refuses to load any Wikipedia page, by which I’ve been trying foron-the-order-of an hour to check the spelling.)

    Note †: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_bandit.

  47. E.M.Smith says:

    The notion that “thug” is racist is a new invention of TDS Sufferers. There’s clips floating around of both Biden and Obama using it…

    My response to anyone shouting “RACIST,” about anyone will be to look at them and say “Stop shouting mindless lies and nonsense.” They have degraded the term to the point where it has lost all meaning and the pejorative value approaches zero.

    Never set your moral compass by the rantings of the deranged.

  48. ossqss says:

    So, does anyone think with all the social distancing and masked protests in Dem cities, we will see the currently and closely tracked infection rates drop/

    do I need a sarc tag?

  49. YMMV says:

    Another Ian: “Fair comment here IMO”

    Looting is an advanced form of shoplifting.
    Vandalism is an another level of tagging.

    BTW, I had to Google “ACAB”. I guess I live under a rock.

    The madness of crowds — riots would be one of those. I happened upon a live video of an LA protest yesterday. I think it was from a drone, maybe Reuters. That was fascinating. Nothing happened while it was on. Lines of police blocking off some streets, groups of protesters, almost all of them with video cameras or cell phones. Posing in front of a burned out police car. That was in daylight. The night video feed might have had more action.

  50. Another Ian says:

    “Has Civil War Arrived in America?”

    A couple of links at


  51. philjourdan says:

    Re: Thug being racist.

    The same can be said fr “when the looting starts, the shooting starts”. This whole idea that is some racist has said it before, it makes any repetition racist is sheer stupidity, The racist can then say anything and it will then be banned from the language! And that is stupid.

    I am sorry, I can say gay and not refer to the homosexual population, I can say great and not be banned because some liberal racist said it. We are entering the sheer stupidity zone. And I reject it outright. I will not ban anything that Fredo says as stupidity just because Fredo said it.

    Even Obama, the king of SJW and PC has said this is stupid. But the fake news media still does not understand. They are becoming the victims of their own stupidity.

  52. YMMV says:

    There should be a first law of socialism which goes something like this.
    They are not grateful for what they are given,
    They are hateful for what they did not get.

    From 1970. But this time the revolution will be televised. Or live-streamed.
    There will be no pictures of you and Willie Mays
    Pushing that cart down the block on the dead run
    Or trying to slide that color television into a stolen ambulance

    Cultural references at

  53. YMMV says:

    Copper rediscovered, again.

    “Chile’s Mining Minister Baldo Prokurica ordered that the building that houses his office be disinfected using quaternary ammonium enhanced with copper nanoparticles. This, in an effort to avoid the spread of covid-19.” Spray-on.
    “he has a meeting scheduled with the Chilean Mint to propose the idea of adding copper to pesos bills so that they carry fewer disease vectors, especially taking into consideration that cash is mostly used by senior citizens.” And copper, silver, and gold coins are virus resistant.

    “The first recorded use of copper as an infection-killing agent comes from Smith’s Papyrus, the oldest-known medical document in history. The information therein has been ascribed to an Egyptian doctor circa 1700 B.C. but is based on information that dates back as far as 3200 B.C. Egyptians designated the ankh symbol, representing eternal life, to denote copper in hieroglyphs.”

  54. A C Osborn says:

    E M, more news on Ivermectin courtesy of Jo Nova.


    Note the FDA statement.

  55. rhoda klapp says:

    The FDA statement from ACO’s link:

    One reason the FDA is cautious is that the drug can interact with other medications, and in some cases can cause complications such as nausea, diarrhea, stomach pain, dizziness, a sudden drop in blood pressure, liver problems and other side effects.

    ..or would you rather be coughing your lungs up until you get intubated with a 80% chance of deathy? It’s up to you. Gatekeepers in the FDA do not want anything done until they suggest it. Might be fine for every day, but this is an epidemic, isn’t it? And an economic crisis. What if any victim had a pretty good chance of survival with one 25cent pill? Couldn’t we then go back to normal?

  56. E.M.Smith says:

    Ivermectin has a broad tolerance range. In veterinary use it is often just poured on in an estimated drench. (In one “Dr. Pol” episode you can see him grab a jug, about 1/2 gallon, and pour a cup or so on a horse, being incspacitated by parasites, in one quick wrist flick) it has nearly no side effects most of the time. In my personal use I could detect no changes at all (other than ending of the offending condition)

    As a drench, it is about $1 for a 200 lb sheep sized dose. Usually given once with a repeat one week later to get any eggs that hatched after the first treatment.

    It does not cross the blood brain barrier in most farm animals or people, but does in a few varieties of dogs and some Dutch Pattern rabbits, where it can cause death (blocks a neurotransmitter). One of the most bizarre things, IMHO, is that we have 2 different neurotransmitters outside the brain, so don’t mind blocking one, while bugs, fles, lice, etc. only have the one so block it, they shut down and die. The mammals it kills have a defective blood brain barrier mutation.

    So while the drench is often handled in a cavalier way on farms, this is a very wide acting medication with lethal potential if the blood brain barrier is compromised. Only get it as prescribed, or if in an EOTWAWKI situation, titrate the first dose a few drops at a time over the first day and stop if bad effects start showing up. That is what I did for my Dutch Pattern rabbit (a half Dutch cross so 50:50 odds) with head tilt. After that I knew her blood brain barrier was good, and the second dose just poured on.

    There’s a reason I’ve had a bottle of this arround for about a decade. And bought another one early in this pandemic.

    https://www.amazon.com/Ivermectin/s?k=Ivermectin shows the variety of sizes sold including a 2.5 liter jug, injections, and oral paste. This is the one I have experience with:

    Given the “astounding” efficacy with doxycyline seen in the Bangladesh trial, that ought to be adopted all over the world. That TPTB are blocking that is, IMHO, criminal verging on homicide.

  57. YMMV says:

    There was a question about Ivermectin in Dr. Seheult’s recent Q&A video, from 21:27 to 22:08
    YouTube video here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPNDTYvV0vE&t=21m27s

    And his previous video about how Ivermectin might work against a virus is here,
    from 3:22 to 9:00: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc6VV7ue4cE&t=3m22s

    The problem with most of the treatments is that they are administered too late.
    We do need a good, cheap, safe pill that could be taken just in case.

  58. E.M.Smith says:

    @YMMV: From what I’ve been able to find, either hydroxychloroquine or Ivermectin, given at first symptoms, with adequate zinc and Vit-D status, is enough for a low symptom outcome / recovery. Adding doxycycline or azithromycin make it a fast recovery / cure. Selenium is nice to have as is high dose vit-C, each nutrient removing one more impediment to an ideal innate immune response.

    I’ve chosen, for me, daily multivit with zinc, selenium, and copper plus added D, E, and C, with standby Ivermectin IFF the M.D. can’t give me something decent and early. In that case I’ll “suggest” a doxy prescription “just in case it is bacterial” …

    I’m about 90%+ sure I could now have a strong exposure and either not notice through the allergies, or nuke it if things developed enough to notice. I’m no longer worried at all.

    Cost was about $30 to $40 all up for peace of mind and high probability cure ability under my control. All done a month or more back.

  59. A C Osborn says:

    YMMV says: 2 June 2020 at 5:29 pm
    “We do need a good, cheap, safe pill that could be taken just in case.”

    We have them HCQ + Zinc and or Ivermectin, the problem is due to various National Health in the western world rules they can only be given as a last resort instead of immediately or even as a prophylactic.

  60. llanfar says:

  61. llanfar says:

    Translated from above:

    A spokesman for the Security Bureau said that Yangjiang Nuclear Power Co. , Ltd. in the website to inform a Yangjiang nuclear power plant operation incident, said that last month 30, Yangjiang Nuclear Power Unit 3 in a safe and normal operation, staff as planned to complete the auxiliary plant exhaust gas treatment system equipment maintenance work, found a storage decay box one of the isolation valve small leakage, resulting in a very small amount of exhaust gas release. The staff isolated the valves and carried out the repair work in accordance with the procedures. The exhaust gas release did not reach the alarm value of the radiological monitoring system and had no effect on the surrounding environment. During the handling of the incident, the unit is in a safe state, Yangjiang Nuclear Power Company will promptly report the relevant situation to the nuclear safety regulatory authorities.
    According to the international nuclear incident classification and nuclear safety regulations, the event is defined as a level 0 deviation event, which has no impact on the safe operation of the unit, the health of employees, the surrounding public and the environment.
    Yangjiang Nuclear Power Co., Ltd. has published details of the operation on its website.

  62. YMMV says:

    @A C Osborn. Yes, I should add “available” to that list. Things ordinary folk can easily get.
    The easiest good things hardly ever get mentioned in the media. Vitamins, minerals, sunshine, and good diet. Those are good things, but a pill for 100% protection has more sex appeal.

    And don’t forget NAC.

    BTW, the importance of azithromycin with the HCQ (and zinc) also came up in that Q&A.
    from 32:53 to 36:08, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPNDTYvV0vE&t=32m53s
    He notes that both of those things affect QTC.

    India disputes the WHO cancellation of HCQ trials. They have good results with lower dosages.

  63. A C Osborn says:

    YMMV says: 2 June 2020 at 7:48 pm
    Yes fortunately I don’t think countries out of the west will fall for the WHO, CDC & FDA tricks, they can’t afford to.

  64. Another Ian says:


    “Mayor de Blasio Used National Guard to Quarantine Neighborhoods During Virus – Now Refuses National Guard to Prevent Mob Violence, Looting and Arson…”


  65. beththeserf says:

    Fake news from ‘The Lancet’ (yet again ) re hydroxychlorquinine in treatment of COVID-19.

  66. jim2 says:

    An anti-malaria drug that has been trumpeted as a therapy for COVID-19 was unable in a University of Minnesota clinical trial to prevent the onset of the infectious disease.

    The results of the nation’s first randomized trial with the drug, hydroxychloroquine, against COVID-19 will disappoint doctors who had hoped for new therapies amid the pandemic. Many prescribers had given it off-label to COVID-19 patients — in the absence of other options — and President Donald Trump had been an early champion of the drug and disclosed in mid-May that he was taking it for the preventive benefit that the U study could not verify.

    “While we are disappointed that this did not prevent COVID-19, we are pleased that we were able to provide a conclusive answer,” said Dr. David Boulware, the leader of the U trial. “Our objective was to find an answer.”


  67. llanfar says:

    And once again they don’t include the required virus-killer Zinc.

  68. YMMV says:

    A study that loses track of its subjects? Maybe they sold the HCQ on the black market instead of taking it. Also interesting that the so many subjects could tell that they were on HCQ. The placebo was vitamins … interesting.

  69. A C Osborn says:

    The UoM conducted the so called “study” Over the internet.

  70. YMMV says:

    New study looking into genetics and covid.

    Click to access 2020.05.31.20114991v1.full.pdf

    “We herein report the first robust genetic susceptibility loci for the development of respiratory failure in Covid-19.”

    We detected cross-replicating findings at chromosome 3 and chromosome 9

    On chromosome 3p21 the peak association signal covers a cluster of several genes with potentially relevant functions to severe Covid-19. One notable candidate is SLC6A20, which encodes the Sodium/Imino-acid (proline) Transporter 1 (SIT1) that functionally interacts with angiotensin
    converting enzyme 2 (ACE), the SARS-CoV-2 cell surface receptor

    Among six genes at 3p21.31, SLC6A20 encodes a known interaction partner with angiotensin converting enzyme 2 (ACE2). The association signal at 9q34 was located at the ABO blood group locus and a blood-group-specific analysis showed higher risk for A-positive individuals and a protective effect for blood group O

    genetic variation at the ABO locus has previously been associated with a number of procoagulant markers such as von Willebrand factor and Factor VIII

  71. cdquarles says:

    Interesting study. Downside is that it uses poor statistical methods (relies on p-values).

  72. Another Ian says:


    “Along with dracula duo Andrew Cuomo and Bill de Blasio, ”


  73. llanfar says:

  74. YMMV says:

    Another day, another study. This time looking at why this virus is worse for men.
    “Androgen sensitivity gateway to COVID ‐19 disease severity”

    Curiously, when evaluating the mortality rates and severity rates in multiple epidemiologic reports, they tend to follow a pattern that relates to expected testosterone levels in the population. As in other diseases, severity may be amplified by sex‐based genetic architecture. The androgen levels, combined synergistically with the fragility imposed by aging could explain the overall severity and mortality observed in the general population.

    The virus is more severe in males and males might have a higher transmission potential.

    Finally, if our theory is proven correct, antiandrogen therapy could be used as a treatment for COVID‐19 patients. A vaccine might ultimately be found for SARS‐CoV‐2; however, if a vaccine is not found or found to be ineffective, androgen suppression as a prophylactic treatment could reduce COVID‐19 disease burden. Given that certain anti‐androgens such as finasteride carry a low risk of serious adverse events, healthcare workers, police officers, and the military personal could potentially use anti‐androgens as a prophylactic treatment.

    See also, https://www.rt.com/news/490858-bald-men-higher-risk-coronavirus/
    “Male hormones behind BALDNESS could be cause of higher Covid-19 FATALITIES in MEN – research”
    It links to the above study and several others.

  75. E.M.Smith says:


    Yeah, that’s the ticket! To avoid a virus, just remove all their… WHAT!?


    Soy Boy army? That doesn’t sound like a good idea…you sure that isn’t from Babylon Bee?

  76. A C Osborn says:

    Now Oxford, based on their “Recovery Trial” say their HCQ only study proves HCQ is no good to treat COVID patients.
    The lead guy rings WHO to tell them to tell the worlds doctors to stop using it.


  77. Another Ian says:

    Not corona but trusting medical science?

    “Make that eight papers: I present to you the Mysterious Case of the Two Papers With Identical Results.In this thread, we will learn how identical results can obtained in both Gastric Cancer as well as in Lung Cancer.”


    Or a growth industry! Further down that Twitter thread is

    “I am ringing the alarm. We have now found >400 papers that all share a very similar title layout, graph layout, and (most importantly) the same Western blot layout. This is a massive #PaperMill of (what we assume) fabricated data.”

    The Law of Unintended Consequences?

    Seems the time for this review came courtesy of corona lock-down

  78. Another Ian says:
  79. A C Osborn says:

    A C Osborn says: 5 June 2020 at 8:35 pm
    The Oxford study is of course the Oxford University that is producing the COVID Vaccine for the UK along with AstraZeneca.
    No conflict of interest there then.

  80. Another Ian says:

    A C Osborn

    Why they’re in a tearing hurry?


    But then there was Victor Borge’s uncle “who invented the cure for which there was no disease”

  81. beththeserf says:

    Yes, Ian, ) He had some good ideas like ‘crossing a sponge with a potato.’ …Not much good for the sponge but could sure soak up a lot of gravy!

  82. philjourdan says:

    CV19 is totally political. Fake news does not cover cures because it bolsters Trump. Fake news does not cover opening demonstrations of not spreading the disease because it bolsters Trump. Fake news does not cover any facts because it bolsters Trump.

    The real story is that this is a Chinese attempt to sabotage the western economies and it was bolstered by the fake news media and the Manchurian party of the US, the democrats.

    Long story short – you have been had!

    I said 3 months ago that I would not participate in any of the hysterics going on about this virus (documentation on this site). And I am being proven correct each and every revelation and day.

    People, get a grip. This was not bio war, This was psych out 101! And most of you fell for it.

    I did not. But if I spoke the truth, I would be targeted by every social media platform because they wanted it to be SO!

    My only platform was here, but I refused to participate in the hysteria.

    Stop the hysteria. Stop the lies. It is a virus. And when the history is written, no more virulent than the flu. And no more deadly either. The sheep gave up our liberties. It is time we took them back. Not with the George Floyd anarchist demonstrations. With the ballot box and the total neutering of the party trying to deny us our basic rights!

    Time to regain our rights! Do IT!

  83. ossqss says:

    I hear ya Phil,

    With all that we have seen from bad models to lockdowns, through bad stats for infection an fatality rates and attribution anomalies, to Orange man drug bad but through false studies, all the way to experts now saying protests are OK if it is not against lockdowns for infection transfers. Add in in dozens of other conflicting actions, formal statements, including WHO/UN formal dry run meetings on pandemics the last half of last year etc.. We really do live in strange times, that definitively have an agenda behind the yet to be fully clarified cause. Somewhere, some day, we will know, but it is increasingly obvious there is something significant going on here at a higher level.

    Think about it. Every single person on this planet has had their life altered (some permanent changes) by what has happened globally over the last 4 months. Everyone……

    We experienced quazi global governance in action.

  84. E.M.Smith says:


    I’ve been thinking basically the same thing. It all just stinks of “set up” and “actions for effect”.

    Just way too many things all acting one way. The stochastic bits are missing.

    Not yet gelled to an understanding, but sure stinking of Someone Running A Con.

  85. ossqss says:

    @EM, defund the police is the latest move. Yeppers, call 911 and um, er, ah, who shows up?

    One wonders, how many people were actually released from a jury convicted/incarcerated Jail terms in the primary riot areas again across the country? Think about that for a minute.

  86. E.M.Smith says:


    One wonders on what planet live the folks who want to defund the police. That has zero chance of success, and any idiot who is in power and actually does it will rapidly find their city in ruins and their political career with it.

    It just reeks of “ulterior motive”.

    FWIW, I’m not particularly worried as “Me and mine” are essentially armed to the teeth. I could handle a “no cops wild west” pretty well. One sister does Wild West Shooting Reenacting (and is a darned good shot with awards). My Son is armed with about 1/2 my lifetime collection and was shooting since about age 7. Just as 2 examples.

    Antifa drones might find themselves dropping like flies though, as the only thing keeping them intact right now is “respect for the law”. Well, if “the law” is defunded and gone, what’s to respect …

    This whole thing just stinks of “set up”. The plans were in place just waiting for a plausible trigger event (and humans being humans an error will eventually present). Nothing in one drug using perp getting taken down and dying justifies a nation wide riot and certainly not “protests” in Europe too. It’s just way over the top stage managed.

    It’s clear that Soros is behind the funding and the NGO leverage. Then the Dimocrats are clearly “on side” (both in the riots and in the plandemic magnification). It looks like China is in the boat too, but as instigator, funder, facilitator, or rabble rouser is unclear.

    The UN is busy promoting things to enrich China (like Green New Deals where China gets to use all the coal and everyone else is on fairy dust and unicorn farts) and we know China is trying to leverage them big time (see the W.H.O.). BUT are they leading the corruption effort or just enjoying the Globalist Ride? (I.e. are the Globalists exploiting Chinese workers and bribing the CCP or is the CCP conning the Globalists to take down the West? Or can both be true?)

    What is absolutely obvious is that this is NOT in any way AT ALL an organic thing. Not the Globull Warming fraud. Not the BLM / Floyd / Riots. Not the Nursing Home Plague and even the development of Covid-19 virus (the leak may be accidental… it was early).

    There is a malevolent evil afoot, though lurking in the shadows. It hates Trump and the American Public who elected him, and it is getting very desperate. How many $Billions are they NOT getting with Trump in office? That can fund a LOT of rioters…

    How far will they go (can they go, before Joe & Jane Sixpack become J&J Sixshooter?)

  87. cdquarles says:

    Lol, not that I’d do such a horrible thing.

  88. p.g.sharrow says:

    Asymptomatic strain carriers would be more successful the more virulent strains, Any infection would confer immunity. so in time the milder strains would predominate.

  89. p.g.sharrow says:

    IT appears that those that are developing a vaccine fear that this disease will die out before they are able to get a vaccine onto the market. Evidence seems to indicate this is nearly over already.

  90. philjourdan says:

    @PG -the sad part is that democrats, the fake news and WHO will continue to hype it to keep the lockdowns in place. Dictators do not relinquish their usurped power easily.

  91. ossqss says:

    Quite a deep take on things, none the less, some pondering.


  92. Another Ian says:

    A couple of views here

    “George Floyd, A Memo to Conservatives”


    “George Floyd, A Memo to Progressives”


  93. Julian Jones says:

    Curious suppression of this :

    “26 September 2003 – Inadequate plumbing is likely to have been a contributor to the spread of SARS in residential buildings … It also contributes to the spread of a number of other infectious diseases in several other countries … inadequate plumbing and sewage systems could continue to enhance the potential of SARS and some other diseases to spread. The meeting concluded that it would be relatively easy to interrupt and avoid some diseases, including SARS if it were to return.”



    bit.ly 2Jmqqtz

    … just like ‘Climate Change’ – simple and cheap solutions to flood & drought (which overlap with sewer issue ..) are obscured and sometimes discredited, by media, academia, politicians …

  94. ossqss says:

    Closed case CFR has ticked down to the 10% mark today (from well over 21% just weeks ago). It is amazing to see how many hundreds of thousand tests are being done each day in the US. I have not been able to differenciate antibody test numbers out of the totals. That is kinda important to establish trends in new infection rate numbers. Perhaps I am just to lazy to dig them out, but I do know Florida is counting the antibody tests in their numbers. The US broke the 21 million test level today. You can toggle the now, yesterday, and 2 days ago tabs on WOM to view totals. The graphs are pretty clear we are on the back side of things now.


  95. YMMV says:

    Here’s a new video which explains the different ways a person could be immune, even without having any antibodies. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IY4M0kp8xM&t=3m20s
    After that section, they go into great detail about how the immune systems work. If that is too much detail, skip to about an hour in, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IY4M0kp8xM&t=58m55s
    (Creon Levit and Ivor Cummins)

    This is good news. At first the modellers assumed that everyone was susceptible and everyone would get the disease and a certain fraction of those would die. Now it’s becoming clear that not everyone is susceptible, and maybe being healthy is enough protection. We can hope. And maybe “herd immunity” is not such an impossible goal.

  96. Compu Gator says:

    I discovered today that a link to https://westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com/2012/09/03/bracken-when-the-music-stops-how-americas-cities-may-explode-in-violence/ has been intercepted by WordPress (no date-of-action is shown) [*]:

    westernrifleshooters.wordpress.com is no longer available.

    This blog has been archived or suspended in accordance with our Terms of Service [☇]. For more information and to contact us please read this support document [×].


    I understand that E.M. operates the Chiefio blog more-or-less as a hobby & technical diversion. But I’d be somewhat surprised if he hasn’t kept up to date on the costs of emergency switch-over to hosting his own server. That step was eventually taken by the creator of a BBS-style forum that I follow [✞]. I wonder if a Raspberry Pi 4 could now handle enough of the computing load, significantly reducing total hardware costs? Enough so that the greatest financial burden would be the recurring costs of a fixed-IPA connection [¢], plus its domain registration, driving the overall costs down to a more bearable level? Come to think of it, I do wonder if that form of prepping has been a major motivation all along for his experiments with his various single-board computers?

    It seems to me that it’s about time for E.M. to create either of these:
    • “https://chiefio.wordpress.com/category/censorship/”, or
    • “https://chiefio.wordpress.com/tag/censorship/”.
    Meanwhile, a “W.O.O.D” topic semed the best place for me to post this comment.

    Generally: Bracketed reference marks in the quoted text of the W.P. interception page have been inserted by Compu Gator, to expose links and their destinations at their original locations in that text.
    Note ☇: http://wordpress.com/tos/.
    Note ×: http://en.support.wordpress.com/suspended-blogs/.

    Note *: It’s only 2 link hops from Chiefio. I discovered the situation by following an apparently worthwhile link to https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2020/06/if-you-havent-got-gun-get-one-now.html, as recommended in a comment in Chiefio by “Tim.” (2 June 2020 1:26 pm GMT:  https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2020/06/01/tonights-tipple-bang/#comment-130203). It was “Bayou Renaissance Man” (on the page linked by “Tim.”) who then strongly recommended the now-“suspended” page.

    Note ✞: The forum, which I deliberately left unidentified, is devoted to a conservative branch of a name-brand Christian religion. It holds socially conservative beliefs that secular leftist (a needlessly redundant phrase?) outsiders might at any time demand to be banned from the Internet, using predictable accusations that they’re “bigoted and mean-spirited”, &c. (hey-ell, their beliefs don’t need to conform to prevailing social “norms”; their beliefs come from a religion, dammit! ). I’m fairly sure that the forum previously used a shared-hosting service, but ca. 2–3 years ago, he decided to get out before it became the victim of a leftist censorship hammer.

    Note ¢: The fixed-IPA type of connection is one whose costs I confess to never having priced, but I’m sure that E.M. has.

  97. E.M.Smith says:


    Yes I’ve looked at self hosting. I’ve hosted many company sites before (including Apple.com back in the day). It isn’t that hard but does have a workload.

    A R.Pi would be quite enough for my volumes, but most likely I’d use an old PC I have or an Odroid.

    Biggest issue for me is the public records. I’d need to do some indirection set-up first to block doxxing. Create a corp in the Caribbean, use the corp to reg the domain name. That kind of stuff. I even have a non-USA domain in mind…

    Most folks don’t think about the fact that a domain reg publishes your name, address, and phone number…

    So instead I insist on generally being polite and staying on the legal side of things. As my interests are mostly just technical / engineering, that isn’t hard.

    Will it last?

    Unlikely. I think I’ve got about a year before the PC Rot Police become problematic. (Then again, a year ago I thought it was 5 years…)

    Hopefully I’ll be in Florida (with a rented box on an island) by then…


    Having a fixed IP site isn’t that hard. On my project list is a VM at a hosting site with fixed IP. Was going to do it last year, but the world went nuts… figured I’d first set up my own VPN & DNS server and such. Then play with the LAMP stack.

    Maybe next month…

  98. ossqss says:

    Security is the biggest issue for hosting. EM, has the benefit of WordPress to make that happen by default for him. This site would never survive on an island without mucho denero, and time expended for such. JMHO, from others who host similar blogs and went down that learning curve.

  99. E.M.Smith says:


    Only the corp address would be on an island. The site would be in my office (or a cohosting site if a good one that doesn’t out people or do PC Crap can be found).

    The security isn’t that hard for me. I’ve done it since about 1982… I’ve run company sites starting with Apple and a few others. My last gig included penetration testing and security reviews at Disney. So it’s kind of “what I do”.

    I’d start with linux, then rip out everything not needed for a LAMP stack. Pentest the hell out of it. Shut off all IP ports not needed for the web server. Put it behind a router doing nat that only passes the server ports. All on a dedicated network with nothing else (separate telco drop). Couple it with an intrusion detection / prevention system (similarly hardened). Then the web server would do nothing fancy (code removed). Just publish passive text, images, and urls to videos. (No worries about SQL Injections, for example, with no SQL).

    There’s a bunch of little add ons I’ve covered in other articles. Read only libraries and root and /usr for example. Frequent compare of executing system to archived hashes (usual intusion detection stuff). Regular backups. Archived golden master. You get the idea.

    But it takes a couple of weeks to set it up and a couple of hours a day of work. Thus my not doing it until needed.

    If you are just someone who’s not done this for a living, it is unlikely you would succeed, so using a hosting service is highly preferred. If you have done this for a living, you know reading log files 2 hours a day is no fun… and you already prefer a hosting provider ;-)

  100. ossqss says:

    The DDoS is always a problem EM. Just sayin, the new vectors are not the old vectors.

    I will support you no matter what direction. Cheers!

  101. E.M.Smith says:

    DDos has been around since the 80s. Just not in the news and without the big bot farm recruitment. Note too I’m only a few years off the job and not out of date yet! ;-)

    Though frankly, my volume is low enough and my importance small enough I doubt anyone would bother trying a DDos on me. But usually that’s handled by calling up the ISP / Telco and getting them to squelch it. I’d have ping responders and UDP turned off anyway (time from internal source) so they’d have to hit the web server ports only and via tcp.

    But really, if someone wants to waste their time blocking up one Odroid worth of server, then I’m sucking up their services more than they are sucking up mine ;-) Besides, the advertizing of a DDos aimed at me would drastically up my visibility!

    But just to remind that I’m not advocating for DIY being a cake walk: “If you have done this for a living, you know reading log files 2 hours a day is no fun… and you already prefer a hosting provider ;-) -E.M.Smith”

  102. E.M.Smith says:

    Ah, I see where the island misunderstanding came from. “Box” could be seen as “computer box”. I was seeing it as “Corporate address offshore P.O. Box” for the “whois” listing…

    One other clarification:

    I am NOT saying I WANT to do this. Running my own server workload is WHY I don’t do it and use WordPress. I’m just responding to the Compugator question of “have I thought about it”, by saying yes I’ve thought about it; enough to not “go there” unless forced to do it. But I do know how to do it as I have done it for a living as recently as a few years ago. Which is why I’m not doing it unless forced! ;-)

  103. Power Grab says:

    I reckon most of us don’t get on Facebook much (if at all), but I just saw this:

    “While your TV was filled with RIOTS & LOOTING…

    Hillary Clinton went to court and lost her case
    regarding the missing emails and will be forced
    to testify in September.

    Rod Rosenstein testified in front of Senate
    regarding Russia, Russia, Russia (Google the
    video because it’s worth it…especially when
    Ted Cruz queries)

    Senate votes to subpoena over 30 Obama
    officials in the ObamaGate case.

    Did you see or hear anything about this?”

  104. cdquarles says:

    @Power Grab,
    I did; but I’m someone who is into that kind of a thing, so I look for it. I expect the Hildebeest to fight that until her last breath (she’s a decade older than I am and roughly the same age as my dad’s youngest brother. Had dad lived, he’d be 90 soon; and mom, who died a bit more than 4 years ago, 91).

  105. pouncer says:

    If the cities bow to pressure and “de-fund” civil service police agencies (whatever that expressions means — apparently Humpty Dumpty rules apply and “de-fund” doesn’t mean what normal English speaking people might think, but ANYhow) if police are de-funded is it time to buy stock in Pinkertons and Brinks?

  106. YMMV says:

    If police are not needed, then laws are not needed, in which case politicians are not needed. But that does not mean that there won’t be some Evil Bastard at the top.
    If the laws of civilization are not there, the laws of human nature and the law of the jungle are still there.
    Woke dems should be careful what they ask for. A vacuum (of police) will be filled by someone else. Antifa is ready and waiting. Think of them as American Taliban or the American Mafia or the American SS.

  107. p.g.sharrow says:

    De-funding police to fund political acting “Public Safety Officers” rolling up Fire and EM into them as well with PC Socialist leadership in place of the existing “Not Correct” non- cooperating leadership. Standard Communist operating procedure. Seize control of the “security”organizations and install their own leadership. First a reduction in policing and massive organized chaos to get people to demand “Law & Order” Just like Lenin and Hitler did and then only the security may have weapons. There will be no end of policing in the long run. Just a change in who controls it.

  108. jim2 says:

    ” if police are de-funded is it time to buy stock in Pinkertons and Brinks?”

    Nope, buy stocks in Smith & Wesson!! :)

  109. A C Osborn says:

    E M, another off the wall medical treatment for COVID-19 that works. Info courtesy of Kent Noonan June 8, 2020 at 11:55 am at WUWT who posted 3 links.
    OZONE either as a gas with oxygen or using an IV.

  110. Another Ian says:

    “20 Years On, Jurassic Park Author Michael Crichton is Still Right about Global Warming”


  111. jim2 says:

    I’d be careful with Ozone. Here’s an instructive video:

  112. p.g.sharrow says:

    Governance by appointed “Experts” that can not be questioned

  113. ossqss says:

    Well, I just finished up watching an ESPN 30-30 on Bruce Lee (Be Water). Thought to share, as it was pretty good. Yep, tainted a bit, but still good if you have “on demand”. No links available that are not political. Just sayin, watch the credits too if you do.

  114. E.M.Smith says:

    @Another Ian:

    In that SDA article is a link to Coeur d’Alene Idaho night on the town with guns:

    What it shows is what much of rural America is all about. Be peaceful and all is well. Bring shit here it will not end well for you.

    What it does not make clear is that even in Democratic Strongholds, there’s a whole lot of folks of similar ideals and attitudes, but just not “showing on the street”. More hunkered down and waiting.

    Thus my recent articles on calibers and small carry type guns and how to know what’s “enough”. Thus my comments about what’s in my pocket on any given night.

    What Antifa Rioters will find is that if they “bring it to the suburbs” (or really leave the coddling down town core of their Democrat Hell Holes), they will be entering the land of “a gun behind every door” once they reach the very rural places; BUT: before they reach rural, in the ‘burbs, it’s “only” a gun behind every other door…

    They start tossing Molotov cocktails on suburban streets, it will not last long. I used to shoot walnuts out of a tree in the back yard using a Daisy iron sights BB gun (when I was about 9). I was not the best shot in my town. Think those other guys using a modern .22 rifles with scopes can hit a bottle at 100 feet? ( I once hit a coke can in the air with one… wing shooting…)

    I think one or two of them breaking in hand would make folks change their minds about rioting “right quick”.

    One hopes that they will look at the rural places, realize not to “go there” and just crawl back to their burned out urban centers. ‘Cause if they don’t, it will not end well for them at all. The rural gradient is against them, and has skills. Even in the suburbs it is likely to not go their way.


    Tonight’s Bang Du Jour: A Rugar Mk II in .22 LR, lead hollow points, 6 inch barrel. About as quiet as the .22 Short (longer barrel…) but much more power and much better sights. 10 rounds capacity. Kept in fleece a couple of feet away (things are seemingly quiet, so not feeling the need for a “pocket gun”, just a desk side one.)

    On Deck is a Norinco 9mm / Tokarev (interchangeable barrels) currently in 9mm with 20 rounds in 2 magazines. Can be reached and loaded in about 30 seconds if needed.

    No, I’m not worried about rioters on my street. I’m worried about what the guy across the street has! He’s a real Red Neck. Then 2 doors down is the guy into hot cars, long hair, and rough bars… and I’m worried what he can do with an iron bar… I’m just that old guy with pea shooters!

  115. Another Ian says:

    Some views from the Chicago inside

    ““I have never seen the likes of this,” Sadlowski-Garza said. “I’m scared.” ”


  116. E.M.Smith says:

    @Another Ian:

    That’s about what I’d expect from Chicago. Protect The Loop, let the South Side and West burn and pillage. Blame it on anyone but the Democrat Machine that’s in power. (And has been for about 2 generations).

    Note that all this shooting and looting is happening in a place with THE most restrictive gun laws you can find in the nation. You can’t even buy personal pepper spray without a permit. For many years handguns were essentially banned. Theoretically possible, but no actual permits issued other than to Friends Of De Mayor…

    So how’s that Gun Ban working out for Chicago? Let’s just say I’d rather be in Coeur d’Alene…

    One really good thing about all these Democrat City Antifa Riots: They have just Red Pilled a huge swath of the country and once again the Democrats have sold more guns than anyone else. I checked a couple of gun sellers on line for PCC (pistol caliber carbine) in .40 S&W after watching a Paul Harrell video about PCC guns. Not planning to buy, just wondering about specs and reviews. Well…

    Every site I visited was 100% “sold out” on every one of them. I’d just noticed it in passing (and had to go back and check a couple of the early spots… as I’d not noticed then.) On other podcasts there have been stories of a hoard of “new gun buyers” cleaning the shelves… At least one “center left” is talking about his new rifle and new found interest in the 2nd Amendment. Another site that sells reproduction guns in ‘reenactment’ calibers? Sold out. Another site that sells middle America standards (like Rugar 9mm and S&W police calibers) also sold out. A used gun site? Sold out of many common categories.

    I think later today I’ll drive by Cabella’s and see if they are open. It would be interesting to see what’s still on the shelves… Their online store has a few marked as “limited stock” but others marked “ships to stores in 5-9 days” or some such. I’m just interested in finding out if it’s just a couple of online stores (perhaps with limited stocking inventory and no workers at the moment under some lockdown or other) or if it is more widespread.

    I do find it “interesting” that essentially NO riots are happening in rural towns and even in major cities in Red Counties.

    Oh Well. It is what it is.

    Riots only happen in places where the Governor / Mayor combo let them happen. (Or, perhaps, are “on board” with the Color Revolution and trying to gin up race war “for effect”…)

  117. jim2 says:

    More specifically, type O blood may be protective against the novel virus. In fact, early results indicate that people with type O blood are between 9 and 18 percent less likely to test positive for COVID-19 when compared to the other blood types.


  118. Another Ian says:

    “When The FBI Does It, That Means That It’s Not Illegal”

    “The word everyone is searching for is “organized crime”. The DNC is an organized crime family. Once you understand this, everything else falls into place.”


  119. Another Ian says:

    Seems one Australian state (Queensland) got a message from the fires

    Shock decision on hazard reduction burns
    Council is furious after a shock decision by the State Government to pull out of providing support for its firies for hazard reduction burns.”

    More when I know more

  120. jim2 says:

    A disturbing study shows that no matter where you live, a lot of the state laws you live by aren’t being written by the people you elect—or even their staff. They’re being written by special interests who benefit from the laws. Gordon Witkin, executive editor at the Center for Public Integrity, tells us about the evidence his group found in a joint investigation with USA Today and the Arizona Republic.

    Gordon Witkin: We each used different forms of a computerized tool to look for matching language in state legislation. And we found a heck of a lot of it frankly, thousands of bills that were virtually word to word with other bills being proposed in other states.

    Sharyl Attkisson: What does that tell you in just a sentence before we dig in, that there was so many bills that matched up?


  121. Another Ian says:

    A couple of disease names new to me

    “Health authorities have announced that one of the marchers at Saturday’s Leftard-approved Peking Pox/Commo Cough/Socialist Syphilis rally, has now tested positive for Covid 19, which he picked up sometime earlier, so he was definitely contagious whilst marching and infecting God-knows how many other inconsiderate Leftard idiots last Saturday.”


  122. E.M.Smith says:

    Life imitates art:

    Wasn’t Seattle the Zombie Capitol in iZombie?


    So now we have a bunch of (lower case z) brainless zombies in Seattle, declaring it their free Capitol… What could possibly go wrong….

  123. Another Ian says:

    Don’t know about zombies but has it already got its very own Idi Amin?


    Via a comment at SDA

  124. Another Ian says:

    More names

    “Health authorities have announced that one of the marchers at Saturday’s Leftard-approved Peking Pox/Commo Cough/Socialist Syphilis rally, has now tested positive for Covid 19, which he picked up sometime earlier, so he was definitely contagious whilst marching and infecting God-knows how many other inconsiderate Leftard idiots last Saturday.”


    I guess, even with the change in emphasis on the first word, that still makes it an “STD”?

  125. E.M.Smith says:

    Were I in charge: Set up a military perimiter around The Seattle Peoples Republic. Declare a tariff of 50% on goods at this border. Anyone who wishes can leave, but must have a passport and visa to re-enter. Then start a bbq making ribs, chicken, &; burger with fries and salad on all sides…

  126. H.R. says:

    E.M. – No Dem wants to solve the problem of the “Free Nation”. They could clear out the area in a day or two if they wanted to.

    It is being allowed to continue, and I’ve heard but haven’t confirmed, that a City Council member(?) or the Mayor(?) is providing food and money to the people inside the barriers. So its continuation is likely being actively supported by the Dems.

    The plan is to get President Trump to go in with military force and with luck, kill a few of the occupants. They want another Waco (Branch Davidians) so they can “peach fortah fie” as Maxine says. They want to portray President Trump as a military/tyrant/dictator in order to peel away his supporters.

    It’s a trap, and he’s not going to step into it. He is not stupid and unaware of what is being set up.

    President Trump’s tweet (from memory) The governor and mayor need to take care of this fast, or I will.” is just to convey ownership of the problem to the Dems in general and the governor and mayor in particular.

    My guess is that if indeed President Trump acts, I doubt it will be with armed military and tanks. It will be in an unexpected way that doesn’t allow any chance of someone being shot.

  127. E.M.Smith says:


    Yes, that is part of the Knight Fork strategy of the Color Revolution play book.

    Instigate mayhem and riot. Attempt to provoke an excess response. IF you get it, decry the Executive as evil and imperial overlord; ELSE continue and escalate riot for effect and decry leader as weak illegitimate failure.

    How to defeat that? Subtile just enough response, along with redirecting responsibility. Trump has clearly stated it is a local responsibility, while not looking weak and ineffective. His statement also provoked the Dims to allow the mayhem all the more and thus look even worse. Classic Trump Dim baiting.

    The whole nation is getting a real clear view of what the Democrats want…


    Yeah, after the corporations learned they could buy politicians, the NGOs decided to get in on the act. Some of the NGOs funded by foreign actors. Then the Bribo went big time via “Donations” to foundations (Clinton) or “jobs” for politicians kids (Biden).

    No politician now reads proposed legislation, they only ask the price.

  128. Another Ian says:


    “No politician now reads proposed legislation, they only ask the price.”

    Wouldn’t that be more “the personal reward”?

  129. E.M.Smith says:

    Perhaps “only ask the size of the numbered account”….

    I’m becoming ever more sure China is busy buying politicians. Especially after the Governor of Victoria signed a Belt & Roads deal with China and all details ard being kept secret.


    He needs a very thorough financial proctoscopy (along with all, family members).

  130. philjourdan says:

    @EM – re: were I in charge
    WHat about the 500 citizens living within that hell hole? Ok, they voted the idiots into power (at least a majority did)., But should they be subjected to dictates of the new Hitler?

  131. E.M.Smith says:

    The point of “were I in charge” is that the folks living inside can just walk out for a few days, then the rioters rapidly have zero money to buy any food (no, I’d not accept electronic payments from inside as we have no monetary treaty with them, nor would I allow “donations” to enter as again we have no trade treaty with this “nation”).

    Set up a negotiation table at the border and talk until they give up. IMHO about day 2 after the food runs out.

  132. Another Ian says:

    But help is at hand

    “The Peoples Temple Agricultural Project”


  133. jim2 says:

    All that has to happen is you deny them the internet. Problem solved!

  134. cdquarles says:

    I am listening to the oral arguments in the DC Circuit Court of Appeals re; US v Michael Flynn. One judge keeps raising the hypothetical of a ‘racist’ policeman (white) using excessive force against a black suspect being brought to trial. I note that this judge did not bring the ‘racist’ policeman (black) using excessive force against a white suspect. Ugh.

  135. E.M.Smith says:

    Just shut off the cell towers in the area. No phone? Over in hours….

  136. Another Ian says:


    Just got a magnificent cartoon in an e-mail – no links unfortunately.

    Caption reads

    “Just off to knock down the Pyramids because the Egyptians had slaves 5000 years ago”

    In that vein

    “Farage: Poor History Teaching Means Young Don’t Know Britain Stamped Out Slavery Worldwide”


  137. Another Ian says:

    And while we’re on that subject

    “The Guardian supported slavery”


  138. E.M.Smith says:

    Interesting video site:


    Has Alex Jones and others. Don’t know if he created it or is just a piggy back.

    Looks like the “alternative” media sources are sprouting. Maybe I need to make a posting cataloging them….

  139. Another Ian says:

    Re cdquarles says:
    12 June 2020 at 2:28 pm

    CTH reading of the tea leaves


    And next one down there

  140. ossqss says:

    Quite amazing numbers. 2 days ago on WOM, we tested a total of 23,073,470 people in the US, yesterday that total was 23,792,191 people. Any wonder why they are touting cases going up? How many of those are antibody tests? Click the tabs for yourself.


  141. Another Ian says:

    Looks like you people will need to stock up on beer and popcorn or whatever your fancy is –

    “Oh Dear – Seattle Officials Planning to Take Back CHAZ Occupied Zone – Mayor Jenny Now Worried About Safety…”


  142. Another Ian says:

    ““Taking a knee” to the destroyers of worlds”


  143. Another Ian says:

    “A Letter Smuggled Out From The Berkeley Gulag”


    Via a comment at SDA

  144. E.M.Smith says:

    @Another Ian:

    Couple of good ones there.

  145. philjourdan says:

    @Another Ian – that is actually a good representation of why leftist (socialism, fascism, communism) fails. It cannot accept an honest representation of the issue.. So will never come to a correct conclusion. And yes, that is the American left. It refuses to accept facts that are not in line with their predetermined conclusions, so will always fail

    The real issue is, how many lives will be destroyed before they are? Their destruction is preordained by their rejection of the facts. But as Castro, Stalin and Mao have demonstrated, you can waste a lot of lives in the pursuit of your lies.

  146. ossqss says:

    So ya know, I bought a car today. I would tell, buying used cars has value if you do some homework and comparison now days (Hertz helps). I was able to patiently wait for the best deal at a Ford dealer. A 35k MSRP, 2 year lease, car come due produced a car for 19k. It had 6k miles and I bumped the bumper to bumper warranty to 6 years for 1k. It still had the new car smell, probably scented, but it did. I am uncertain if I want my son to learn to drive with a car that can park itself, but that is a whole other subject :-)

    Just sharing.

  147. Another Ian says:

    “Low dose radiation may save people from Coronavirus”


  148. Another Ian says:

    More gardening needed

    “Poll: 79 Percent of Truckers Say They Won’t Deliver to Cities with Defunded Police Departments”


  149. Another Ian says:

    “Estimates from crematoria and urns in China of 2.2 million cases, 36,000 dead”



    “‘The Modelers’ Thought Of Everything Except Reality”


  150. cdquarles says:

    A transmissibility test paper, from Japan I think: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.02.20120014v1.full.pdf.

    Upside, it shows the generally known patterns of viral transmission. A person has to have enough viral shedding, whether symptomatic or not; though generally a symptomatic person is potentially more infectious than a person who is not. You are most likely to spread it a few days after catching it yourself (the virus must replicate itself enough, and that takes time). Infectivity declines with time since viral shedding declines with time, generally.

    Downside: small study numbers, so generalization has wide error bounds.

    Masks/isolation help. Why? Time and distance. Masks help by catching the larger droplets expelled/shed by infectious people. They do *not* have to filter out virions, just most of the droplet load. Isolation, by increasing the time/distance needed to transmit the virus from person-to-person and to lower the odds of susceptible frail people catching it, at a specific here-and-now. Eventually, everyone will get exposed.

  151. cdquarles says:

    Also, nosocomial transmission is important. Main failure here was failure to keep it out of long term care and other medical care facilities. (Partly why influenza, and other viral vaccinations are necessary especially for medical care personnel and their clients.)

  152. H.R. says:

    Just wanted to give a squirrel update. The Scottie and the Cairn ki!!ed one today. The squirrel made a fatal error; zigged across open ground when he should have zagged for the nearest tree.. It was quick. When the girls got him, he was dead within 6 +/- seconds.

    Last year, the buggars destroyed part of my garden and ruined a bumper crop of pears. Should have had well over a hundred pears on this one tree and instead only got two lousy pears. The squirrels killed all but two of my sunflowers, too.

    Wound up not shooting the squirrels but trapping them. I trapped one last year and three this year. I took them on a long ride into the country and released them in and undisclosed location; witness protection and all that.

    So the Squirrel Score now stands at:

    H.R. – 4 trapped and put in WITSEC
    The terriers – 2 dead and they will not be available to testify against us

    There’s one more squirrel left hanging around. We’ll have to see who gets credit for taking him out. He better hope that I get him ’cause the squirrel’s future with the dogs looks a mite dim.

  153. p.g.sharrow says:

    H.R. Squirrel is just a rat with a fancy fur coat!
    A few years back the dog and I was walking through the woods when a squirrel, watching me, scurried down and around the backside of this tree, Squirrel met the dog coming around the tree from the other direction! squirrel hesitated and the dog didn’t! Dog was very pleased with his trophy. 8-)

  154. H.R. says:

    Like I said, p.g., fatal error.

    Roolz fur Squirrels
    Rule #1 – No dog can ever get a squirrel if it makes it to a tree and runs up.

    Rule #2 – Don’t ever break Rule #1 ;o)

  155. A C Osborn says:

    Cairns love a kill.

  156. Another Ian says:

    Careful when you crow –

    “NBC Report Implicates Google in Antitrust Activity…”


  157. Another Ian says:


    “New video angle”


  158. Another Ian says:

    For something different – the ins and outs of economics

    “Would the real anti-Keynesian economist please stand up”


  159. tom0mason says:

    Since about February it looks like the interweb infrastructure has been not quite as solid as it should be. All those extra devices online while people are lockout from going to work.
    Hourly figure from about 1 hour ago (from https://livemap.pingdom.com/) —
    Today’s Global outages.
    US Outages.
    UK outages
    So from these figures the US makes up about 2/3 of all outages, and the UK has the highest outages for any country in Europe.

  160. Another Ian says:

    Re statue removal

    “Mud Huts v Western Civilization: Why #Rhodesmustfall Must Fail”


  161. Another Ian says:

    And Snopes on the subject


    Notice what they DIDN”T tell you

  162. Another Ian says:


    “The Guardian supported slavery II”


    Links to -1.and I’m presuming the video doesn’t have some “hemisphere fiddle”

    Seems the message has sunk through to Guardian staff – what a bummer!

  163. tom0mason says:

    The infamous Babylon Bee has really been working hard on up-to-the-minute stories recently.
    I especially enjoyed their story ‘New Program Helps People Of Color Adopt A White Liberal To Speak On Their Behalf’

    MENLO PARK, CA—A new nonprofit organization is teaming up with app developers to help people of color find and adopt white liberals to speak for them. The program is called Adopt A Voice and will help people of black and brown descent express what they truly desire, think, and mean to say.

    When asked what his opinion of the program was, Claire responded on Bradley’s behalf, “Bradley is just so grateful to have his voice heard especially on key issues like women’s right to choose, climate change, and especially trans issues.”

    Bradley later commented, “I had no idea that’s what I meant to say. Amazing.”


  164. E.M.Smith says:

    Don’t know why, but that Herald article sends me to a “tags” site that fails to load. I think it is my security software :-)

    Here’s another:


    Looks like an extensions attack.

    Google Chrome security weakness discovered
    There has been a new security weakness discovered in Google Chrome, after a spyware attack on users through 32 million downloads of extensions.

    By Joseph Menn
    ReutersJUNE 18, 20203:57PM
    A newly discovered spyware effort attacked users through 32 million downloads of extensions to Google’s market-leading Chrome web browser, researchers at Awake Security told Reuters, highlighting the tech industry’s failure to protect browsers as they are used more for email, payroll and other sensitive functions.

    Alphabet Inc’s Google said it removed more than 70 of the malicious add-ons from its official Chrome Web Store after being alerted by the researchers last month.

    “When we are alerted of extensions in the Web Store that violate our policies, we take action and use those incidents as training material to improve our automated and manual analyses,” Google spokesman Scott Westover told Reuters.

    Most of the free extensions purported to warn users about questionable websites or convert files from one format to another. Instead, they siphoned off browsing history and data that provided credentials for access to internal business tools.

    I use chromium (NOT Chrome) on a couple of platforms where it and Firefox are the only choices. I don’t have any extensions from Google Store, so I’m good.

    Also I isolate different uses to different computers and browsers, so data theft is fundamentally limited in scope (were it to happen). With decent computers and browsers at $30 to $50 and a different personality chip about $10, there is no reason not to have a computer board and chip for just business needs and a different chip for browsing.

  165. ossqss says:

    More stats on things. Being in Florida, just sayin, how many of our positives are 2nd redundant tests, or antibody tests. It just doesn’t smell right on the hype numbers. Oh, but no new infections from protests, were there? Where is that contact tracing data? :-)


  166. ossqss says:

    Interesting stuff :-)

  167. beththeserf says:

    In China’s long history, poor soil, erratic climate…when the grainaries failed thro’ maladministration, you got rebellion, mandate of heaven says, ‘change the leadership .’ Unfortunately, over millennia that didn’t mean change the system but more of the same.

  168. beththeserf says:

    Forgot to say, replying to Ian’s link above.

  169. YMMV says:

    Another Ian: “Another one gone”
    103! She must have done something right.
    The B&W version of that video is here https://youtu.be/T5C4meGkNyc (instead of the above Facebook link which wants into my contacts etc). It’s not clear when and where that was filmed. It says 1943.

    I know this song. I don’t know when and where I heard it first, but everybody has done it.

    The Guardian has a somewhat twisted piece on it:
    “We’ll Meet Again: how toxic nostalgia twisted Vera Lynn’s pop masterpiece”
    Some quotes from that:

    From Captain Tom Moore’s chart-topping You’ll Never Walk Alone to Katherine Jenkins’ charity take on Vera Lynn’s We’ll Meet Again – a cover version as grey and sickly as 1940s rationed margarine – 2020 has been a year in which we’ve been reminded, more than ever, that British culture is unable to escape the long shadow of the second world war.


    The 16m-Spotify-streams incarnation version we know best today is slightly different from the 1939 original, which began with a simple scale and the line: “Let’s say goodbye with a smile, dear.” This was eventually edited into a perfect three-minute pop song, instantly recognisable from the Roland Shaw Orchestra’s swinging intro, with the main lyric coming in before the 10-second mark.

    That most popular version of the song is redeemed in the deeply affecting section in which Lynn’s voice is joined by a massed choir of servicemen.

    So I had to find the original: https://youtu.be/OvgM_xcx2GI
    The instrumentation is a Hammond Novachord (the first synthesizer), recorded October 1939, on Decca. The song itself was written in September 1939 by Ross Parker and Hughie Charles.
    The comments on that YouTube video by Kim Damien Eriksen are very interesting! England had just declared war and everybody thought the war would be quick and easy. That changed in May 1940. So they changed the song when they rerecorded it in 1942. Obviously they added the full symphony, but they also changed the lyrics and changed it from minor to major. All for the goal of boosting moral, at home and for the soldiers. No sad songs for the war.

    The 1953 version featured a more lavish instrumentation and a chorus of British Armed Forces personnel. IMO, it became a hit when it became a sing-along, an anthem everybody could sing.

    And everybody has recorded it. From Johnny Cash https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KodNFsP6r88 to the Byrds to Rod Stewart to Barry Manilow to Sinatra ….
    Benny Goodman recorded the song with Peggy Lee in 1942.
    This 1943 or 1941 version is interesting:

    The Ink Spots, a black group with 30 hits between 1940 and 1949. “In 1936 the Ink Spots were the first African Americans to appear on television; then in 1948 they continued to be television pioneers by becoming the first black performers to appear on Ed Sullivan’s successful TV show.”
    Pre- rhythm and blues, rock and roll, doo-wop. How is it possible I’ve never heard of them?

  170. Another Ian says:


    Links from that bit on British subjects

    From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_subject

    “Also see https://www.gov.uk/types-of-british-nationality for even more confusing information on the subject as written by Her Majesty Government servants in proper British bureaucratic language.”

    As the poster has requested it be moved/axed

  171. Another Ian says:

    “Another billion dollar bandaid for expensive and unreliable energy”


    “SA: Still at risk of blackout, one third of solar PV “switching off” to save state, needs $1.5b interconnector bandaid to NSW”


    As the saying goes – “A billion here, a billion there and pretty soon you’re into some serious money”
    Describes “renewables” in Oz perfectly – in a negative sense by what I read about choke points

  172. Ossqss says:

    WOM now has the global numbers at 99% none/mild symptoms and 1% serious critical globally today on active cases. Closed case CFR remains at 9% now.

  173. YMMV says:

    From the same site, but it was just a copy of this site:

    The forces of evil in the HCQ story, incompetence, corruption, both?

    Professor Raoult in Marseille called it ‘monstrous’. Forty-one per cent of ventilated NHS patients died within 28 days; it’s 16 per cent in the Marseille ICU. Twenty-five per cent of NHS patients on oxygen support died; in Marseille only 5 per cent of hospitalised patients were lost. And 13 per cent of NHS patients not requiring breathing support still died, but only 0.6 per cent of patients treated in Marseille with Raoult’s hydroxychloroquine combination therapy.

  174. YMMV says:

    Vera Lynn. Mark Steyn has an excellent posting about her and the song “We’ll Meet Again”.
    He also discusses another song of hers, “There’ll Always Be an England”, which was a hit once, but now he suggests that the title should end with a question mark.

  175. Another Ian says:
  176. H.R. says:

    What the ?!?!

    I was running errands and on the list was “check for a meat for the grill.”

    I scored some absolutely gorgeous top restaurant quality pork chops for 99¢¢ per pound. That is absolutely frickin’ nuts! So I grilled up 4.8-something pounds of pork chops for $4.80-something.


    All I can figure is the pork processing plants are all up and running full tilt and the hogs are flooding in. 80/20 hamburger was $3.99 per pound on special. The other grinds of hamburger, depending on provenance, were as high as $7.99 per pound! Easy choice there, eh?

    Remember I wrote a few weeks ago that I got beef filet for $6.99 per pound? At those hamburger prices, I should have bought a couple of those whole filets, ground them up, and had filet mignon burgers!

  177. E.M.Smith says:


    Backlog of hogs being caught up, bigger from having to wait a few more weeks of growing, then China trying to punish Trump by not huying the agreed pork tonnage: so pork glut!

    Load up the freezer and start smoking some pulled pork!

  178. H.R. says:

    E.M.: “[…] start smoking some pulled pork!”

    That’s the plan. I mentioned last year getting that wood pellet smoker grill. Looks like it’s time to fire it up and run pork through it for a week.

    However… before the sadz hit the beef industry, I also scored a whole brisket for $3.99 per pound.

    Hmmmm… what to do… what to do…

    PARTY! Y’all are invited.

    Bring beer. A little to keep the meat moist on the smoker and the rest to keep us ‘moist’ until the meat is done.

  179. jim2 says:

    I tried smoking pulled pork once, but couldn’t keep it lit.

  180. Another Ian says:

    Another spectacular retraction coming up?

    “Is Bubba Wallace “Rope Noose” a Hoax or Misunderstanding? All Talladega Garage Doors Have Nooses – NASCAR Video Evidence…”


  181. Another Ian says:

    “Fake Noose – The NASCAR Bubba Wallace “Rope Noose” Was a Purposeful Hoax…”


    NASCAR might need to re-evaluate potential audience increases it it is looking to the woke generation methinks

  182. cdquarles says:

    Ugh, re the GEICO 500. Point of interest: I live not that far from the speedway. I’ve been past it numerous times. My sister worked for a company that did food service for the CBS tv crews. Way blown out of proportion.

  183. E.M.Smith says:

    In the photos I’ve seen, it is just a regular pull loop. Used all over the place when camping or on a boat. A noose is a very different knot. One that by definition slides closed. A loop by design holds it’s shape. Plus, the loop is just way to small to even get over a big door knob.

    It’s either a “put up job” for attention, or someone is suffering paranoid dementia.

    Sidebar on Oakland “nooses”:

    In a public park in Oakland, a set of “nooses” were the center of outrage. Turns out they were hand holds hung in a tree by a Black Guy for doing pull ups and such on his exercise run. The Idiots In Charge (Mayor I think) said that didn’t matter as someone FELT afraid from them, therefore they were horrible racist nooses… So, OK, ban all loops anywhere in anything. See how long loads stay on trucks.

  184. E.M.Smith says:

    An OMG side note:

    I was cleaning out the garage and decided it was time to dump some 30+ year old “prepper food”. These were boxes of 6 No. 10 (almost a gallon) sized cans each. Things like powdered eggs and milk, powdered cheese and ‘shortening’, beef and pork patties (with a generous portion of corn meal in them…), corn meal, oat flakes, and hard red winter wheat.

    Most of it smelled a bit “off” from the oils changing over the years, so was dumped and the cans recycled. You know, that slightly soured edge of varnish sort of smell old stored oils get as they polymerize. BUT, the wheat seemed more normal.

    Well, I put a sample to soaking in a sprouting tray. It’s way too early at about day 3, but at least a few of the kernels have sprouted roots!

    As I have about 18 cans of these, it would be very good news indeed to know that they keep that well and that long. There will be more on this in some future notes.

  185. E.M.Smith says:

    Bloomberg reporting a 7.4 in Mexico City w/ quake damage.

  186. ossqss says:

    So the Bubba NASCAR noose thing was huge racist news, but they are in every car stall/garage there. Yep, they used them to pull the friggin garage doors down. Unreal the world we live in …—…

  187. philjourdan says:

    Hysteria at Nascar. I am checking out until it stops. Stupidity overwhelms tationality.

  188. E.M.Smith says:

    From comments on the SDA article:

    June 23, 2020 at 6:38 pm
    To quote someone in another post “Yeah, whole thing was FakeNoose”

  189. Tee Jay says:

    Back to investing. From today: https://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2020/06/23/the_behavioral_bias_blinding_investors_to_a_new_bull_market_496983.html
    FWIW, in 1997 I put an IRA with him, lived off it all these years, and still have the same account balance I started with.

  190. Another Ian says:

    Seems Bubba has something of a reputation as a stirrer. As one commen put it ” A big accident somewhere in the next few races?”

  191. A C Osborn says:

    Another re-purposed drug from my database saves lives of COVID-19 patients, this time it is Colchicine.
    Reduced mortality from 14% down to 1.8% in Greece.
    I haven’t found the actual JAMA reported study yet.

  192. cdquarles says:

    Something to chew on: 1. bringing new pharmaceuticals to market takes lots of money and time, so any good pharmaceutical company will look at its portfolio of old agents to find out whether they can get new indications. Upside: relatively less money upfront and possibly getting a new or extended patent, faster. Downside? Less publicity, especially that folk either don’t know or forget that today’s profit is tomorrow’s job. 2. Success with old agents mean you now have money to pursue new or better agents without necessarily asking the government for a grant.

    I’d forgotten a key point about antibodies, and the extremely poor reporting didn’t help (years ago I read Pravda/Isvetia/Krokodil in Russian and had one of Chekov’s books in the original Russian, so I can’t help noticing how much our media resembles that we used to scoff about discussing the media of the old USSR). There are several kinds of antibodies. IgM is the one seen early in immunoglobin response. There are IgA, IgG and IgE types. IgA is secreted and gets found on mucosal surfaces (conjunctiva/mouth/nose/trachea/pharynx/esophagus/&etc. IgG is found in blood serum. IgE is found in tissues. (There is some overlap.) If the serology tests don’t specify which, you can get a misleading picture of your immune response. Mucosal infections do not always get a viremia (meaning virus past the basement membrane and into internal tissues or in the lymph or blood; and remember, your nose lining and intestinal lining are outside facing, just like your skin or eyes), so looking for IgG specifically will tend to miss it. A viral infection that does get a viremia is potentially more serious than one that doesn’t.

  193. cdquarles says:

    That reminds me: part of the issue with influenza vaccines is that we inject them. Again, this is not so much to help keep you from getting an influenza infection. It is to help shorten it if you get it and to help prevent you from getting a secondary bacterial pneumonia even if you get a viral one and limit your risks of a viremia. I think we should go for nasal spray/inhaled/ingested vaccines if we did want to help limit getting an initial infection. That is, shoot for more IgA versus IgG.

  194. YMMV says:

    @A C Osborn, Colchicine.
    Did a quick search for that and covid, found two studies.
    The search headlines say anti-inflammatory, gout, arthritis, multi-organ failure, prevents cytokine storm.

    The ColCorona study gives the drug to patients who have tested positive but are not hospitalized.
    The other study was done in Iran with patients in hospital but not in ICU.

    The only paper I found in my way too quick search was
    “Colchicine may not be effective in COVID-19 infection; it may even be harmful?”

  195. E.M.Smith says:

    As I remember it, colchicine is used botanically to mutate cuttings and seeds to create new varieties. I assume the doses are dramatically different, but I’d still approach it with caution….

  196. E.M.Smith says:

    Ah, I thought I remembered the use as toxin.

    The story I’d heard was that it was useful for a doing in of a group as each person dies of their weakest thing. No common cause so harder to rsise suspicion of something in the coffee pot.


    Colchicine is a mitotic inhibitor that terminates cell division and is thought to have an anti-inflammatory effect as an inhibitor of leukocyte migration and the secretion of inflammatory glycoproteins. Patients with colchicine toxicity initially present with gastrointestinal symptoms of nausea, vomiting, diarrhea and abdominal pain. Delayed symptoms of colchicine toxicity include seizures, cardiac dysrhythmias, hypotension, shock, coagulopathy, pancytopenia and respiratory, renal, and hepatic failure. Death occurs most commonly at two periods following ingestion: within 48 hours due to multiorgan failure and subsequent cardiovascular collapse, or three to seven days post ingestion due to sepsis.

    The inhibition of mitosis cause some plants to develop polyploidy (multiple chromosome sets) and changed characteristics (among the survivors). Then look at the laundry list of symptoms possible and varying times of death.

  197. E.M.Smith says:

    NFL dead to me: Check.
    Nascar dead to me: Check.

    Hope they can survive on the 10 % Blacks and 8% “woke” white college folks who don’t watch Noosecar anyway….

    BTW, am I the only one who thinks Bubba looks much more white than black?

    Just sayin… he looks about as dark as my grandson’s other granddad… so, hey… can I claim Black Privilege by proxy ’cause my progeny are black?

    I think it is time to start The Confederate Rumrace where Confederate flags are encouraged and all cars run on 190 proof White Lightning, just like the roots of Nascar (RIP) as it started with southern rum runners.

    Heck, at the end, everyone must do shots from the fuel tank to demonstrate fuel purity! I’d watch it just for that.

  198. H.R. says:

    Just a note on that bluebird box I put up a few weeks ago; the one with the double holes.

    They didn’t seem to like it, no matter how much that Bluebird fanatic raved about the double-door design.

    I plugged one of the holes and VIOLA! We have a nesting pair of Bluebirds moving in.

    Mistake, big mistake. Now Mrs. H.R. is eyeing the Canon Rebel Eos y with 75-300mm telephoto to take pictures of the residents. That will set us back $450 +/-.
    Worth it, IMO, and her birthday is coming up in July.

  199. jim2 says:

    E.M.Smith says: Ah, I thought I remembered the use as toxin.

    Yes, I think that might have been a Quincy episode.


  200. ossqss says:

    @HR, invest in a small connected gamecam. Hi res pics in the house if she wants it live. You could borrow mine if you were about 1k miles closer. :-)

  201. H.R. says:

    @)ssqss – Trailcam – Not a bad suggestion. Helluva a lot cheaper than the Canon Rebel.

    I’ll bring that up with Mrs. H,R

    BTW, I erected the pole and birdhouse on the adjoining property. I figured it was better to ask forgiveness than permission.

    A little over a week ago, the proper property owner was out. and about and we took turns inspecting each other’s gardens.

    I told him the Bluebird box was on his property, because it was a good place. “Heck yeah!” sez he. “Who doesn’t like Bluebirds hanging around?”

    I’ll have to remember to tell him we attracted a nesting pair, The box is about 200 yards from his house.

    It’s so cool. Papa Bluebird perches on top of the box and protects their territory. He’s been busy fighting off starlings and sparrows. Mean little bustard.

    Meanwhile, Mrs. Bluebird is putting the final touches on the nest inside the box.

    Oh, I put a special-built mealworm feeder – they are nuts about mealworms – about 3-4 feet from the entry to the nesting box. They have been scarfing those mealworms down! No mask required to dine out ;o)

    That trail cam is a viable idea. It’s late, so I’ll have to look into it tomorrow. Good thinking, Ossqss, but she just may want to go for the fancy-schmancy camera. Birthday, and all that.

  202. cdquarles says:

    This article hits *very* close to home: https://uncoverdc.com/2020/06/25/an-alabama-man-nearly-died-from-covid-19-the-first-week-in-january/, given that this family does not live far from me and I was a patient at the hospital mentioned back in Jan and Feb.

  203. YMMV says:

    @A C Osborn, that first link is to a Vit-D study. Another confirmation of that is good, but it’s not about the Greece study. The link for that Greece study paper is here:
    “Effect of Colchicine vs Standard Care on Cardiac and Inflammatory Biomarkers and Clinical Outcomes in Patients Hospitalized With Coronavirus Disease 2019: The GRECCO-19 Randomized Clinical Trial”

    Regarding Covid and the influence of latitude (and therefore of Vit-D) and the effects of lockdowns, this is a brilliant two minute video:

  204. Another Ian says:


    Looks like you’re being disenfranchised!

    “California state legislature votes to remove prohibition against racial discrimination from state constitution”


  205. Another Ian says:

    Re colchicene

    I’m reminder that colchicene is a gout treatment. I was warned about excess dosage in a practical way – “If you get the trots then stop”

  206. Another Ian says:

    “US senior Democrat Jerry Nadler just told the House that Antifa is ‘imaginary’ ”


  207. E.M.Smith says:

    @Another Ian:

    You can tell who is “On Side” with Soros & the Globalists trying to destroy America just by looking at how they describe Antifa… Just ignore all those flags and Blac Block uniforms and all… Jerry Nadler is clearly flat out owned by Soros and the CCP (the two folks trying hardest to take down the USA).

    As per California:

    Well, they put it on the ballot to repeal a statute passed by the people via initiative. Come November we’ll find out if The People have changed they mind from when they voted this in in the first place, or not…

  208. Another Ian says:

    Ammend your travel plans accordingly

    “‘30% Of Pilots Have Fake License, Paid Others To Take Exams’: Pakistan Aviation Minister”


    “Pakistan PM Imran Khan calls Osama bin Laden a ‘martyr’ in parliament”


  209. Another Ian says:

    As you punted


    Via https://tipofthespear.com.au/

  210. Another Ian says:

    As an old saying has it – about now in the executive card game around Twitter headquarters “shits are trumps”

  211. A C Osborn says:

    YMMV says: 26 June 2020 at 12:31 am

    Thanks for the correction, I copied the wrong link from a forum where I was discussing both, they are all non-believers, only Vaccines work as far as they are concerned.
    A vaccine scientist actually called the Bangladeshi Doctors who conducted the Ivermectin study liars & sharks and a professor with 240 papers on Vitamins and health an Ambulance Chaser.
    Some people are impossible to educate.

  212. A C Osborn says:

    YMMV says: 26 June 2020 at 12:31 am

    re th e 2 minute video.
    There are 2 major problems with video the first one is using 2 country’s Deaths/million on the upward curve to establish that lockdown does not appear to work.
    If you really he and you really believe that then I suggest that you compare the Downside curve of Sweden to any European country that introduced lockdown, especially those that went Fast & Hard, which was NOT the UK, they went late and soft.
    But even the UK is now doinf far better than Sweden with a population 6 times the size of Swedens and more people on the Underground Tube daily than live in the whole of Stockholm.
    Here are the last June daily data plus a 7 day average/million Population.
    We have the day in June, The UK Daily New Cases, The UK 7 Day Average/million, The Swedish Daily New Cases, The Swedish 7 Day Average/million, The UK Daily New Deaths, The UK 7 Day Average/million, The Swedish Daily New Deaths, The Swedish 7 Day Average/million.
    D UK Sweden UK Sweden
    1 1570 208 644 446 111 27 8 37
    2 1653 202 889 459 325 30 65 34
    3 1871 191 1070 485 359 29 74 32
    4 1805 190 1042 512 176 26 20 30
    5 1650 183 1143 549 357 25 77 29
    6 1557 182 825 588 204 25 17 26
    7 1326 173 462 608 77 24 3 26
    8 1205 168 542 597 55 24 35 29
    9 1741 169 936 602 286 23 23 25
    10 1003 156 1427 638 245 21 78 25
    11 1266 148 1326 666 151 21 19 25
    12 1541 146 1251 677 202 18 40 22
    13 1425 144 1113 706 181 18 20 22
    14 1514 147 419 701 36 18 0 22
    15 968 143 708 718 38 17 17 20
    16 1279 136 1283 753 233 16 48 22
    17 1115 138 1506 761 184 16 102 25
    18 1218 137 1558 784 135 16 12 24
    19 1346 134 1341 793 173 15 0 20
    20 1295 132 774 759 128 15 0 18
    21 1221 128 322 749 43 14 0 18
    22 958 128 813 760 15 14 69 23
    23 921 122 1344 766 280 14 39 22
    24 652 115 1610 776 154 15 48 17
    25 1118 114 230 643 149 14 21 18

    Sorry about the formatting, it is copied from Excel.
    What you see is that the UK new cases are steadily dropping and Sweden’s are not, especially their new cases. Some of it is down to extra testing, but not enough. Their new cases are not dropping at all since April.
    When compared to other similar countries that had fast & hard lockdowns Sweden looks even worse.

    The second problem is that the timing is all wrong, most of the northern hemisphere countries didn’t really have the COVID-19 virus until January/February and most peaked in April when the Hope-Simpson data peak is back in January.
    It is also not Winter in India & Pakistan where the virus is taking off in the upward slope.

    And for those that don’t believe in 2nd waves take a look at the the latest US data, it is now peaking higher than back in April. Whereas the Deaths are dropping nicely now that the care homes have been wrecked.

  213. A C Osborn says:

    What I forgot to mention about the UK & Sweden comparison is that our current new case/Million and Deaths/million are actually below Swedens where they used to be far higher.

  214. rhoda klapp says:

    ACO, just as an observation UK deaths per case are much higher than Sweden’s, so far. The lockdown question can’t really be resolved until it’s all over, it’s about the shape of the curves, and we in the UK have no idea what will happen when the lid comes off. As they don’t in Taiwan or S.Korea or NZ which have been very successful so far.

  215. A C Osborn says:

    Rhoda, I know, I plot those as well and not just for the UK & Sweden, but deaths do not have anything to with lockdown (other than sending already infected covid patients to old people homes) but new cases and “growth” do.
    My post is not about the overall situation, but as you say the shape of the curve and in Sweden’s case at the moment there is no curve downward for cases.
    Deaths of course come 2 to 6 weeks after the cases, if at all.
    Plus as I said the UK pandemic has been very badly handled by Johnson and crew, compare Sweden to the likes of those that you mentioned and their performance is abysmal.
    Even if those places had 10 more waves they would still not get anywhere near the death toll of the Swedes, or the UK.

  216. YMMV says:

    @A C Osborn: “re th e 2 minute video. There are 2 major problems with video”

    I suggested that video as a masterpiece in Rhetoric, not Science. I do believe he has a point; I also think that what he does is not a proof. Covid is incredibly complex. There are no easy answers. All single variable hypotheses are wrong.

    For example, comparing Sweden with anything else is not as easy as it seems. They say Sweden is an example of not having a lockdown. They had a voluntary lockdown. But except for China, most lockdowns are far from 100%. It’s not yes or no. I expect that locking in the contagious works; I’m not so sure about locking in the rest. Then add in the cost-benefit. We will be discussing this for years.

    The other thing about Sweden is the treatment of the aged. In every country it is the old and infirm who suffer most. Sweden might have done worse than others. I saw a comment from a Swedish doctor who claimed that the old in Sweden were just left to die, something about being denied oxygen. He referred to a letter in Swedish which I did not translate at the time and now I can’t find it.

    One last thing. We tend to think of countries as a whole. But there are always parts of a country which do poorly and parts which do okay. Sweden did poorly in one little (but very populous) region. Different places, different results, but why?

    The CDC weekly update page:
    has this graph near the end, under influenza-like illness (ILI) :

  217. A C Osborn says:

    YMMV says: I agree, the places that seem to be hardest hit are those with High population density plus High trasnients as well. The greater majority of Sweden’s deaths occurred in Stockholm.
    But there are so many other variables, the Bame isssue is nother big one.

  218. YMMV says:

    BAME. I had to look that one up. I guess it’s a UK term.
    Black, Asian and minority ethnic people. Although I should note that “Asian” means something different there than here, going back to geography, so it is a lot more than Chinese-like.

    Dexamethasone, a steroid, has been mentioned as a Covid treatment.
    Interesting bit: it enhances Vitamin-D
    MedCram mentions that here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMTQ6qNXVlw&t=5m45s

  219. philjourdan says:

    @EM – NASCAR is decedent from Ridge Runners (not rum runners) – http://www.appalachiantalk.org/2019/02/05/appalachian-moonshine/

    I have several ancestors who plied the trade back in the day. Boots Williams and his son (My Great and Great Great Grandfathers).

  220. philjourdan says:

    Karma is a bitch (sorry for the colorful cliche’: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/25/nike-nke-reports-q4-2020-earnings.html

    Seems that even Colin cannot keep them afloat after they got so woke.

  221. philjourdan says:

    God my spelling is bad. 2 posts up – Descendant! not decedent! NASCAR was born from the ridge runners during Prohibition.

    Now if Bubba can take his foot out of his mouth, and repaint his car, I just might follow him. He does seem to be a good ole boy who just let woke get to him. But woke does not pay his bills. And he is smart enough to know that.

  222. ossqss says:

    Sooo, check my memory.

    IIRC, the climate movement stated they wanted to wait until the old, educated, viable, vocal climate guys die, to put on the push since the data/observations didn’t give the cover. You know, those who actually were able to evaluate what was going on with limited agenda?

    Oh bouy, (spelling correct), I am reminded of Karl et. al.

    Covid is kinda in that mix now, no?

    The new, are few.

    Just sayin, we need to sponsor the thinking out there.

  223. cdquarles says:

    Excellent article, of which we here covered most of it months ago: https://healthy-skeptic.com/2020/06/26/what-is-going-on-with-the-epidemic/.

  224. H.R. says:

    What’s up with CHAZ?

    I’ve been searching using DuckDuckGo for any recent news on CHAZ/CHOP and I’m not getting anything within the past few days.

    Someone in comments over on the ConservativeTreeHouse mentioned the YSM had dropped the whole thing like a hot potato, so I went searching.

    By golly! You’d think the whole circus had never happened. Nothing but crickets.

    I’ve got other things on my to-do list that preclude more searching, but if anyone has run across something in the past 1 or 2 days about the Soyviet Union, I’d appreciate it if you shared it.
    CHAZ was a black eye for President Trump, until it wasn’t.

    Now it’s two black eyes for the participants and their State and local government enablers and outright supporters so…

    I guess it’s down the Memory Hole it goes. I’m not getting anything.

    P.S. Just like Woodstock, in 20 years many hundreds of thousands will say “I was there at CHAZ.” However, anyone who remembers being at Woodstock probably wasn’t there. Anyone who was actually at CHAZ will have likely OD’d somewhere in the intervening 20 years. Prolly no long-term survivors.

  225. A C Osborn says:

    EM some important infromation about how the COVID-19 Virus attacks the human body’s cells, changing them like HIV & vaccina.
    This looks like more evidence of Lab splicing of different attributes.
    The report from the Universitu of California is shown here.

  226. YMMV says:

    @cdquarles, 27 June 2020 at 4:39 pm, “Excellent article, of which we here covered most of it months ago”

    Seconded. Like the Climate Scare, we have been misled by bad models.
    Nic Lewis at Climate Etc. has looked into what happens when different groups are differently susceptible (and the models ignore this) and now we have data that MANY more people were infected than we thought (the mild to unnoticed cases) and that many have some other form of immunity.

    The lockdowns that work are the ones that are done before the virus arrives and which have clear borders and are able to close them — like the island states of NZ and Australia — supported with aggressive contact tracing.
    The other “lockdowns” are mostly symbolic.

    This comment says it all:
    You can close all the restaurants you want in Georgia, but if you let hundreds of New Yorkers go to Atlanta the state will have an epidemic.

  227. Another Ian says:

    E.M. Oroville gets mentioned

    “Yep, my father cut his career teeth on the Grand Rapids, Manitoba hydroelectric project, 1961-64 where ground stabilization through wall grouting was the order of the day in a limestone porous rock ground bedding…

    Incidentally, also the problem with the Oroville Dam spillway disaster over the last couple years. ie insufficient wall grouting.

    As @C_Miner can attest dam failure is NOT AN OPTION in engineering!!!

    Drowning like rats in a hurricane swell is not a great sales pitch. ”


    Plus more on grouting etc upstream of that comment

  228. E.M.Smith says:

    Oroville spillway failed because The Idiots In Charge chose to cut maintenance spending. Eventually the joints leaked and the drains under the spillway were clogged. So inject water under pressure into the dirt under the spillway and it erodes. Sealing the joints regularly and keeping the drain tiles cleared would have prevented it.

    Maintenance, it’s a thing… even on a concrete box…

  229. E.M.Smith says:

    3 Gorges Dam may well fail, but near a s I can tell, that satrllite photo “has issues” with the photo.

    IMHO, if the dam werecthat bent, it would have failed a while ago.

    Also, look closely at the left hand side on land. A long building set is bent and the road along the water is bent. So why would non-stressed non-dam features show the same stripes of distortion?

  230. jim2 says:

    Yep, you can look at the dam now on Google maps and see everything is straight. I’m pretty sure if the dam were that distorted, it would already have failed.

    That doesn’t mean it won’t fail, but in this case a picture is worth a thousand t**ds.

  231. cdquarles says:

    Here is another one which delves into some of the issues with tests: https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/27/covid19-pcr-tests-are-scientifically-meaningles.

  232. YMMV says:

    Three Gorges Dam is the ugliest dam I’ve ever seen! Soviet-bleak architecture. Or is bleak and communist redundant? Note that Google Maps sat photos are most often taken from oblique angles, at a slant instead of straight down. Therefore they need to be adjusted according to that and the topography. Sometimes the results look distorted. This seems to be an easy case, so I don’t know why the dam looked so Wobbly. But if it did break … You know, in the “unlikely event” that one of the faults it is built on moves (or other reasons, too many to list) … looking at how many people live downstream, that flood would set a disaster record for sure.

  233. YMMV says:

    The MedCram Q&A video for June 28 had an interesting graphic. It shows the north-eastern states had their run with covid; it peaked and went back down and stayed down. Whereas the hot southern states had less covid and their peak is now ramping up. Looking at the whole US, it looks like a second wave, but that is not the case looking at it by state. Why the ramp up now in hot climates? He speculates that it could be because people are staying indoors, especially with air-conditioning. I agree with that; I dislike air-conditioning set on “freeze”.

  234. H.R. says:

    Why the ramp up in Wuhan Flu?

    It could also be that too many people are wearing masks and don’t know what the Sam Hill they are doing.

    In particular, I take a dim view of the use of bandannas and other cloth masks, generally all homemade.

    I see the wearers of those pull them down to their neck when hitting the door out to the parking lot. Then it’s on to the next store where they pull them up again, touching their face multiple times a day or per hour and no telling if they sanitized their hands before touching the mask or their face.

    I also suspect that those masks are rarely washed, if ever.

    I do agree that air-conditioning may come into play, but… the grocery stores and other retailers are all air-conditioned to a nice chilly temperature, the checkers all wear the same crappy masks all day, and they are handling everything customers have handled and who knows who sneezed or coughed in the aisle where the product is shelved.

    I have not seen any stats on checkout register jockeys and their rate of infection, but I believe it is low,

    Also, why isn’t Alabama, Louisiana, and Mississippi showing in those uptick States? I’m under the impression that those States also have and use a lot of air-conditioning.

    If the uptick isn’t due to masks and air-conditioning then I would take a deep dive into testing and reporting. Also, the uptick doesn’t say anything about severity.

    One thing I have read in just the past few days is that hospitals in CA, AZ, and TX are admitting Mexicans from the border, I suppose on a humanitarian basis. That doesn’t explain Florida or Georgia, though.

  235. cdquarles says:

    At least for Alabama, we had an outbreak in Montgomery last month. There have been sporadic cases elsewhere (just like the flu … it has a season but is sporadically seen year-round).

    Remember, when a relatively new infection starts, it will take out the most vulnerable first. I suspect both China and the US NE greatly undercounted until they couldn’t (and don’t forget that true prevalence matters).

  236. cdquarles says:

    Now, they are overcounting, partly by mixing in the screening tests, the confirmatory ones and the antibody ones.

  237. Power Grab says:

    What month was it that there came a report from New York of new cases of Covid, and 60% or more were people who had been sheltering in place, not leaving their homes for the whole time since the previous report?

    I have had concerns about people’s exposing themselves to toxic cleaning products, where the fumes damage the lungs. Here is an interesting article about that:


    I was talking to a store clerk last week who told me about two people who had suddenly developed COPD. One was a saxophone player. The other was his (the clerk’s) mom.

    I also noticed in a new report that they have added three new Covid symptoms to the list: Congestion or Runny Nose, Nausea, and Diarrhea.

  238. H.R. says:

    Power Grab: “I also noticed in a new report that they have added three new Covid symptoms to the list: Congestion or Runny Nose, Nausea, and Diarrhea.”

    I get the nausea and diarrhea symptoms whenever my wife lands on a YSM station while channel surfing ;o)
    @cd – NB: If air can get through a mask, so can a virus. That said, masks properly worn and changed do help reduce viral load. That is not a bad thing.

    I still wear a mask to the Dr.’s office. That’s where a bunch of sick people go, fer cryin’ out loud! I should have been wearing a mask there starting a long time ago.

  239. ossqss says:

    “Why the ramp up in Wuhan Flu?”

    Lets do some math.

    2-3 weeks ago we had thousands of people across many cities in many states elbow to elbow and vocal for elongated periods of time.

    The last week, we see a spike in cases.

    Nah, couldn’t be related could it?

  240. Another Ian says:

    “QE Phooey”


    “Via Tom. Read the whole thing. It’s the best explanation of this new perpetual motion machine I’ve read.”

  241. Power Grab says:

    @ HR re:
    “I get the nausea and diarrhea symptoms whenever my wife lands on a YSM station while channel surfing ;o)”

    I know what you mean!

    I had even forgotten how many news channels there are on TV.

    My rent includes cable. Last week they changed us from one system to something I had never heard of: Apogee.

    So now my converter boxes are no good. I had to go shop for something that would handle QAM or ClearQAM (never heard of those before, either).

    I got the last converter box from one of our Walmarts. The store clerks didn’t even know there had been a big change to the new system. I told them they might want to consider stocking more of those converter boxes.

    When I switched out my old converter box for the new one, it wanted to automatically go into scanning mode. I let it scan 3 or 4 times, and it came up with nothing. Then I stopped it and went wandering through the menu system. I found a screen that had a parameter that looked like it was expecting to work with an antenna instead of a cable as input. I switched it to cable. Then I started it scanning again. This time it went much more slowly, but it came up with 131 channels!

    There were a gazillion sports channels a half-gazillion news channels.

    Eventually I found the state channels where I get most of my storm-tracker coverage during stormy weather. Also a small handful of other channels where I spend my limited TV-watching time. I even figured how to add them to a favorites list.

    I don’t know if it’s the converter box, or the new system, but it will automatically adjust the image size to fit your TV. I have old TVs, so I’ve had to live with wide black margins (either top-and-bottom or left-and-right) for a long time. But this new system makes it fit my screen. What a pleasant surprise!

    The quality of the image seems better than before, too.

    One more thing that’s nice is that you can plug an external hard drive or a thumb drive into a USB port and record shows. I haven’t tried that yet, but it seems like a pretty easy function. I don’t know if you can play the shows without the converter box (i.e. in a computer, etc).

  242. ossqss says:

    Power Grab, that USB might be for playing USB media through the box to your TV. If not, I want one those cable boxes if it can become a DVR via external drive. That would be awesome :-)

  243. jim2 says:

    Bongino, I believe it was, recommended “Parlor” as an alternative to Farcebook.

    I know there have been discussions of alternative platforms that don’t punish conservatives. Does anyone here use any alternatives? If so, how do you like them?


  244. llanfar says:

    @jim2 Parler (Pronounced parlez ala French) is a Twitter – not Facebook – alternative. It’s promising, but imo needs more polish. But I’m active on it (and Twitter).

  245. Simon Derricutt says:

    An interesting analysis of the current economic situation from Peter Grant at https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2020/06/staying-afloat-in-economy-running.html . Basically saying that China isn’t telling the truth about its finances and that the whole economic situation is pretty unstable at the moment. Personally, I think the predicted disaster and EOTWAWKI won’t happen this time either, but a bit of extra preparation (just in case) does seem to be in order. Since most countries are in the same situation of having locked down to various extents, there’s no advantage for one to be the first to kick the (wobbly) foundations, but it could happen. Food is still being produced overall, with a few exceptions for perishable crops that aren’t being picked and animals unable to go to (shut-down) abattoirs and thus just being killed and dumped, but there’s still enough calories available even if not what people want to buy.

    One of the problems of globalisation is that we become more susceptible to a single-point failure. Cheaper when all the just-in-time arrives when it should, but a disruption produces a larger effect.

  246. E.M.Smith says:

    The fake gold bars were reported as made of copper. WAY too light and identifiable with a bathroom scale. Surprised they cheaped the fraud so much AND they were not caught day one.

    Harder to catch are the tungsten fakes as the density is about right.

    I’d not trust any Chinese gold or company collateral.

  247. Power Grab says:

    @ OSSQSS:
    The manual says the USB port is for recording to a thumb drive or external hard drive.

    I do have a 2TB external hard drive. I wonder how many sitcom episodes or movies it can hold…

  248. Another Ian says:

    Another “Woke or Broke”?

    “McDonalds or Black Lives Matter?”


  249. ossqss says:

    @Power Grab, please give me some make and model numbers. I want it :-)

    Here is some data that will help understand where we have been globally on this virus. Flattening the curve lockdowns have nothing to do with ultimate IFR in the end.

    Just sayin, , ,

  250. A C Osborn says:

    Interesting that after suffering a great deal of criticism Sweden has re-written it’s numbers of deaths over the last weeks on worldometers.
    Big reductions for the whole period, some examples
    June 17th was 102 and is now 30.
    June 22nd was 69 and is now 15.
    June 24th was 48 and is now 10.

    Wierd or what, so who got it wrong or is it a cover up?

  251. cdquarles says:

    Lots got it wrong, mostly petty tyrants grabbing power.

    All: here is a mask paper: https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/2005/2005.10720.pdf.

  252. Power Grab says:

    @ OSSQSS:

    IIRC, the model is AT103C and the brand is “Ematic”.

    I’m sure about the brand and the last part of the model (103C) because when I went looking for another one at a different Walmart, I wanted to make sure I got the same model.

  253. YMMV says:

    The mask paper is interesting, but in the end, what do we really know?

    Respiratory viruses are transmitted from virus-laden fluid particles to the recipient through (1) aerosol inhalation; or (2) droplet deposition on the recipient’s mouth, nose or conjunctiva; or (3) droplet deposition on a surface and successive transmission through physical contact (Jones and Brosseau 2015). The relative importance of aerosol (1) and droplet (2 and 3) transmission of SARS-CoV-2 is unknown (Leung et al. 2020). However, counterintuitively, it has been argued that aerosol could be more dangerous than larger droplets.

    IMO (WAG), #3 is minor. #2 is deadly. #1 is important indoors.
    #2, loud in your face speech is bad. Don’t go to prisons or meat-packing plants. Wearing a mask intercepts your own droplets and maybe also the other guys. The big droplets fall to earth quickly and then they don’t matter.
    #1, the little droplets hang in the air for a long time. It’s like being in a smoky room, if you can remember that. The smoke does not settle out. In this case it is invisible, but the bad particles are still there. Each one is smaller, but they add up over time and are inhaled deeply. Bad news. Being locked inside could be a death sentence if you are susceptible, like the old with a comorbidity.

    The article about masks leaves out one idea. The particles you breathe out are not filtered unless they go through the mask. All the air that goes around the mask has the virus in it (if you are infected — otherwise it does not matter). Those virus particles end up in the air, like cigarette smoke. So the idea of jets is somewhat irrelevant. Like smoke rings, they could be aimed at you.

    #1, there are no virus filtering systems indoors. So go outside, breath fresh air where any virus particles are diluted and get some UV and Vit-D.

    Perfection is not necessary (except in high-risk environments). The people who touch their mask improperly, they are at risk if they have been in close contact with an infected person, but the chances of that are small. But at least you are protected from them.

    But as this goes on, I think more people will realize that they are not at risk, being young and healthy, so they won’t bother. If they get it, so what? They get that herd-immunity thing going.
    Protecting the vulnerable has not worked so far. Lacking a vaccine, herd-immunity is all we’ve got.
    Even if lockdowns work, they just postpone the inevitable.

    This video is very long, but quite interesting.

  254. cdquarles says:

    Exactly right, YMMV. A point of vaccines *is* ensuring herd immunity, via a controlled dose. And, we *don’t* know what the minimum infective dose is, regardless of how transmission happens. I’ve seen guesses at hundreds or thousands of virions. Possible, since there is at least one bacterium that has a minimum infective dose in the 100s of cells per gram. (A cubic meter of air is about 1 kilogram, a cubic meter of water is 1000 kilograms, at 4C.)

  255. cdquarles says:

    Another serology study: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.07.20093963v2.full.pdf. A limitation: they are focusing on IgG antibodies. Mucosal expression of IgA antibodies probably is more important.

  256. philjourdan says:

    Herd immunity is happening. While documented infections are climbing, hospital confinements are not. I was going to link to an article on Herd Immunity (I read it earlier today, but wanted to find it again). But a funny thing happened on the way to the link.

    When I searched it (Bing not google – lesser of 2 weevils) ,I found the top articles to be from fake news about how herd immunity is a myth (really? Tell that to the Revolutionary War veterans about Small Pox). But down about 8 or 10th is the study that shows we are about at herd immunity.

    Of course fake news will take the top 10. People loved to be lied to (in contradiction to Danny DeVito’s OPM).

  257. H.R. says:

    And now, for something completely different.

    I noticed within the past few months that Walmart has trimmed another 1/2 mil or so from their plastic bags. I’ve confirmed this because I have older Walmart bags I use for holding the buried treasure I find when digging through the litter box. (I don’t focus on rotating my stock of kitty litter plastic bags. Not a priority, as you might understand.)

    Today, I had to pick up a dozen or so items at Walmart and it sunk in that I was double-bagging things I would have single-bagged just six or so months ago. It turns out, I had double-bagged everything.

    What bean counter came up with this bright idea? Now, instead of using one 2 mil bag, people will use two 1.5 mil bags. I did. I had to or else lose half my stuff to hit the driveway taking it out of the car.


    Somebody at Walmart should turn in their Gender Studies degree. It has limited application and plastic bags ain’t it.

  258. Ossqss says:

    @HR, it is more evnionmentally friendly to use 50% more plastic now days. Doh! Go figure……..

  259. Ossqss says:

    @Power Grab, thanks, but that box doesn’t work with cable from what I see. I dont have many analogTV’s, but am gonna check it out with first hand experience regardless with cable. If I can upend a box, it will be reported back.


  260. jim2 says:

    RE herd immunity. I’ve noticed that states like NY that were hit hard in the beginning aren’t getting a lot of new cases. Same for Italy. I wouldn’t want to go down the path where many of the old people in those states bit the bullet, but in the end, they are through their crisis.

  261. A C Osborn says:

    philjourdan says: 2 July 2020 at 12:03 am
    Herd immunity is happening. While documented infections are climbing, hospital confinements are not.
    Can I ask why you think herd immunity has anything to do with hospital confinements and not to do with new cases?

  262. cdquarles says:

    Of course herd immunity is happening. One of the few things that are absolute in biology is that every organism that is successful is going to fill its niche. Every parasite is going to infect all that it can. Every host is going to find out how to live with the parasite.

  263. cdquarles says:

    Another covid immune response paper: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.06.21.20132449v1.full.pdf. Conclusion: infection may only produce cellular (T cell) response and no immune globulin response, so serology studies may underestimate the number of infections (true prevalence) and clinical course. There is a kind of survivor bias here, too. Bad cases are noticed. Mild or asymptomatic ones are not.

    My 2 copper: blindly testing everyone and not knowing key facts such as true and false negative/positive rates for the various tests and especially not knowing the true prevalence means we are flying blind and the actual end point is herd immunity with sporadic cases year-round and winter seasonality like the rest of the cold-like/flu-like illnesses we live with and do not lock down for. By Jan/Feb, it was already too late for that, and the Chinese reaction which prompted much of what the rest of the world’s response was used for political power ends.

  264. Power Grab says:

    @ OSSQSS re: “@Power Grab, thanks, but that box doesn’t work with cable from what I see. I don’t have many analog TV’s, but am gonna check it out with first hand experience regardless with cable. If I can upend a box, it will be reported back.”

    I have two boxes working with cable on my two analog TVs.

    There are connectors on the back side for (1) HDMI, (2) coax (they call it “RF”) in and out, and (3) composite cords. The box even contains a set of composite cords, but I didn’t need to use them.

    Somewhere I saw that the model AT103B doesn’t have all the same in/out options as the AT103C model. Are you looking at something other than AT103C?

  265. Power Grab says:

    @ OSSQSS

    Here is a link to the AT103C on the Walmart site:


    I went looking for it elsewhere and wasn’t able to find anything but the AT103B.

    Even the Walmart photos don’t include a view of the back side. I could take a picture of one of mine and send it to you if you ask EM to send me your email address.

  266. Power Grab says:

    @ OSSQSS:

    One of the reviews on the Walmart site includes a picture of the back side. Here is the link to that photo:

  267. YMMV says:

    A C Osborn: “Can I ask why you think herd immunity has anything to do with hospital confinements and not to do with new cases?”

    Herd immunity relates to the number (proportion) not-susceptible, which is more than the actual number of cases, which is more than the number of found cases, which depends as much on the amount of testing as it does on the actual number of cases (not to mention false-positives and false-negatives).

    philjourdan: “Herd immunity is happening. While documented infections are climbing, hospital confinements are not.”

    I interpret it like this. Testing was poor before and we had WAY more cases than we thought. But the cases that matter are ICU and death. Those things are going down, possibly because treatments are getting better or because the virus has peaked. One possible reason for a peak is herd immunity. Another is social distancing reducing the R value of the virus. Or anything else, known or unknown, which reduces the R value of the virus. Including that the virus has already picked most of the low hanging fruit.

  268. ossqss says:

    @Power Grab, Thanks for the info. I need to ID if Spectrum has a specific decoder for their cable service. They went to digital a couple years ago and I got around their cable box with a Roku and their app, but would like to investigate if this box would work also. It would be simpler than the Roku for some of my seasoned citizen guests ;-)

  269. philjourdan says:

    @AC – What YMMV said. The lack of an equal ramp up in hospitalizations means that the new cases are less severe, probably due to the “healthy” being tested (versus just the most vulnerable before). The healthy get it and get over it quickly. ANd are thus immune. Fake news will not tell you that. But real news is pointing that out.

  270. Power Grab says:

    @ OSSQSS – I don’t know if this matters for you, but when they announced the change in our cable service, they said our current converter boxes would not work, and we needed to find converter boxes that could deal with “QAM” or “ClearQAM”. There were several other types of signals/codes/whatever-they-call-them on the back of the box, but I didn’t pay attention to what they were. I haven’t had to handle that sort of thing myself. I think at least one of the package pictures on the Walmart site showed the back of the box. You might see if it includes whatever you’re using.

    Oh, one other thing I noticed when I was looking at the reviews today. . .more than one person mentioned that using this converter box gave them a better quality picture on their TV.

    I believe the picture quality on my 2 TVs is better with the new converter boxes. :-) They are not identical TVs, either.

  271. Another Ian says:

    “The Fauci Hockey Stick”

    “Fauci has crested a hockey stick of new reported COVID cases – by greatly increasing the number of tests being done..”


  272. Another Ian says:


    “The following excellent article comes from Swiss Policy Research. The links appear to be rock solid, though I have only had time to check out a few of them. Please let me know in the comments section if you find any problematic sections.

    When Coronavirus first appeared, Governments panicked somewhat and locked down their societies. This was understandable as the risks were unknown. Some six months after the appearance of the virus, however, we know rather more. ”


  273. Another Ian says:

    Anyone checked this out?

    Tim Weiskel, “A Chapter in an Ongoing Crisis,” a contribution to the forum After the Pandemic: Which Future?, Great Transition Initiative (July 2020),


  274. Another Ian says:

    Suprise! Suprise!

    “EXPLOSIVE – About All These “New” Positive COVID Cases – State Health Departments Manipulating Data, Changing Definitions..”


  275. A C Osborn says:

    This study slipped through the cracks.


    HCQ reduces deaths by 50%.

  276. E.M.Smith says:

    QAM is the modulation method used by the cable company on their cable to your cable box. Like AM and FM radio are different modulation methods. QAM is another obe (with variations in details).


  277. E.M.Smith says:

    interesting stuff at Trump Rushmore.

    3 vans blocking road to rushmore, Guard removing protestor to Sheriff who arrestes them

  278. E.M.Smith says:

    Note for future Trump event:

    Park fork lift big enough to lift a van on premisses…. they deflated tires or removed wheels.

  279. H.R. says:

    What? All those cruisers and not one tow strap in the trunk?

    There are enough uniforms there that they could just roll the vans over and over until the road was clear.

    But… I get that the sheriffs don’t want to do anything damaging to the vehicles unless or until it is necessary.

    Still… no tow straps?

    Also, these deputies don’t look like they will be cracking heads unless things turn violent. But if things go South, they look like they are equipped to kick ass and take names… from the deceased’s driver’s license.

  280. E.M.Smith says:

    Yeah, I thought about just having the green squad roll them out of the way… OTOH, a big ol’ Jolly Green chopper putting a strap under them and “up up and away” would make an interesting point. Unfortunately, looks like flat beds…

  281. ossqss says:

    Not going to have a forklift there. Bullbar would work to push or a strap to pull. Just sayin. I might be partial to some C4. :-)

  282. H.R. says:

    @Ossqss. – I can see you as being partial to C4.

    Hey! Whatever floats (or sinks ;o)) your boat.

  283. H.R. says:

    C4… when you just have to have the quickest way to clear the road.

    When C4 talks, people listen.
    Okay. Maybe that was E.F. Hutton. But it still applies.

  284. Power Grab says:

    @ EM:

    Thanks for the QAM note and link. :-)

  285. Another Ian says:

    Caption on a cartoon I got via email no links unfortunately

    “Due to perceived racism master cylinders and slave cylinders are to be removed from all cars”

  286. beththeserf says:

    It’s just a jump to the left, madness takes its toll…

    Here’s the deep thinker ,Thomas Sowell, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9boQrCPwMws re dumbing down in public education and the politicks of diversity. Beware guvuhmint protection of monopolies in education and spin offs to incumbents, public system monopolies living on the public purse. Re diversity education, Baltimore a case study of public education, highly funded, in 37 high schools, not a single student scores proficient in mathematics, only 15% passed standard English test. Shame on you, Baltimore. * Denizen Galloping Camel, who worked with Charter Schools would be insightful here.

    * I meself taught in public high-rise disadvantaged schools and we got good results… Humour helped but a thoughtfully constructed curriculum then going over it until you understood was the way to go. And communicating that understanding what and how things be as the be ‘matters.’

  287. H.R. says:

    I got the story on the road block at Mt. Rushmore.

    The National Guard was around as well as a bunch of sheriffs, and as I guessed, they were slow clearing the blockade because they were figuring out how to do it with minimal fuss and disruption to the event attendees and without mowing down any protesters.

    First, the Guard and Sheriffs formed a wall and walked the protesters to the vans. Two protesters were arrested for assault in that move.

    Then they walked the protesters past the vans to a tow truck could come and remove the vans. One more protester was arrested for assault.

    It took a while for the tow truck to make it to the vans because the road into the area was clogged by the cars of the people that were going to attend the event were stuck by the blockade.

    While the tow truck was working, the Guard and Sheriffs started walking the protesters back and away from the road until the protesters were dispersed so thinly that they gave up and left. The way the Guard and Sheriffs handled it all, there was no body count, which I believe the agitators were trying to get. I think that’s why the assaults were made; to provoke a forceful response. That failed.

    This was planned, organized, and probably rehearsed by outside (all white) agitators that were pros. The rest were just the local brain dead malcontents that got sucked in as cannon fodder. The 3 vans were rentals, so I’m sure law enforcement will be able to track down the drivers.

    All in all, it was not a very successful operation by the outside agitators, although it did gum up the works for a little while. I guess they could claim a very small victory for causing a petty annoyance, but no body count and the event went on as planned.

    That’s all I’ve got.

  288. Another Ian says:

    “Coronavirus Is Mutating”


    Australia working on adding to it – the proposed replacement for the kangaroo sign indicating made in Oz


  289. Another Ian says:

    “Chris Berg: Multi-sided market collapse in the newspaper industry”


  290. Another Ian says:

    Almost better than “The Guardian” being founded with money from the slave trade

    “I agree with those who are demanding a Washington #Redskins name change, because many Native American tribes owned slaves. #NFL”


    In comments – including black ones

  291. Another Ian says:

    A good question re Three Gorges Dam IMO

    “Hoover Dam rather getting on in years, Three Gorges very young.
    HD clean but obvious coloration of the concrete, you can almost see the pour process.
    TG streaked by WATER marks, some of which were visible during construction!
    Now do a little research about water and re-enforced concrete, commonly known as concrete cancer.
    Why does the TG show water seepage marks?”


  292. Jason Calley says:

    Hey Another Ian, “Why does the TG show water seepage marks?”

    I sometime pass a reenforced concrete dam in Arkansas that shows pronounced seep marks, and has for the last 75 years or so. Locals tell me, “that’s just normal…”

    Maybe the Hoover Dam and/or the Three Gorges Dam are different.

  293. Another Ian says:

    Marketing opportunity for this crew?


    Works a treat on concrete tanks

  294. p.g.sharrow says:

    Hoover Dam was designed to get stronger over time, 300 years to reach full strength. It was poured in interlocking blocks in an arch that gets tighter as the pressure behind it increases. and it is wedged into a narrow Hard rock canyon. It does not depend on steel rebar for tensile strength because it was engineered to function under compression, only, to remain in place.

    Three Gorges is just a re-enforced concrete dike that depends on it’s mass to remain in place between low lying hills of fairly soft rock, as well as vast amounts of steel to retain it’s shape. When you add the tendency of Chinese Contractors to cheat, to the Communist Engineering bureaucrats to build fast and cheap. I would fear the Dam of the Three Gorges

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  296. E.M.Smith says:

    Hoover Dam also benefits from decent concrete. You can make lousy concrete, or good concrete, or great concrete. When making Hoover Dam, they did it right with good materials. It isn’t a risk at all.

    Chinese goods are specified with the cheapest materials that might work, long enough to get paid. Then, every cousin or uncle wants a little extra, so bribes are given to the QA testers to ignore the materials being used being under spec and costing less ’cause Uncle Ye got a kickback from the Sometimes Works Concrete Co. owed by his brother…

    I’d be very surprised if 3 Gorges Dam is still here in 50 years. I’d be more surprised if Hoover Dam is not still working fine in 200 years.

  297. Compu Gator says:

    (Dang!  I drafted this on 4 July 2020, but forgot that I hadn’t yet posted it.)

    H.R. replied 4 July 2020 at 1:07 pm GMT:
    This was planned, organized, and probably rehearsed by outside (all white) agitators that were pros. The rest were […] cannon fodder. The 3 vans were rentals, so I’m sure law enforcement will be able to track down the drivers.

    Ummm, on the assumption that “pros” were involved: How many purses or wallets would need to be freshly stolen from out-of-towners to yield 3 credit-cards that had not yet been cancelled [×], and thus, were thus still usable for renting vehicles? Wouldn’t “pros” be able to quickly obtain fake ids to match the credit-cards, by contacting counterfeiters known to such pros?

    Note ×: E.g., Credit-cards remaining usable because the records needed for their cancellation are not readily available to the card-holders, i.e., records stored safely back home, and so not accompanying the out-of-town theft victims?

  298. E.M.Smith says:


    Easier still: Find co-conspirators of a close appearance, “A” hands wallet to “B” who rents truck. Then, as “B” in truck drives to event, “A” is on camera at the DMV getting their licence reissued and assuring an alibi… then calls credit card company.

    How many rental clerks look really closely at the license photo? If challenged, just say it is an old photo… or you can’t take your mask off in public…

    “B” needs to wear a head cover and gloves so no DNA of any size or fingerprints.

  299. Compu Gator says:

    (I withheld this posting until today, in sad memory of what was once the 1st-of-August annual summer reöpening of the Northern California recreational abalone season [♥].)

    philjourdan replied 26 July 2020 at 10:49 pm GMT [*]:
    Abalone is illegal in the US due to its status as endangered, but not in Mexico.

    Silly me! I thought: Only the commercial fishery was shut down; there’s still a recreational breath-hold fishery N. of the Golden Gate. So I was ready to offer my usual advice, i.e., that you just need to cultivate friendships among some skilled recreational breath-hold divers, e.g., in your upstate part of California.

    I suspected that your claim about the conservation status of abalone species was flawed, at least as a blanket statement, but it did motivate me to spend some time searching the Web.

    The premier abalone species, i.e.: Red abalones (H. rufescens), does remain free from listing under the U.S. Endangered Species Act. Furthermore, there is no listing for green (H. fulgens) nor pink (H. corrugata) [×]. But other species are listed, i.e., white (H. sorenseni, 2001), and black (H. cracherodii, 2009) [†]. Additionally, the State of Washington first closed the fisheries for their pintos (1994), then listed them (H kamtschatkana, 2019) [‡].

    I had been heavvvily involved in the conservation issues surrounding abalone for more-or-less a decade before my departure from California in the mid 1990s. So I was seriously upset & frustrated (can you say arrrrrrgggh! ?) to discover that even the recreational harvest of abalone in California has been completely closed by the state since 2018 [††].

    Unless whatever fisheries Oregon allows for red or pinto abs are still open [@], California’s recent regulation operationally completes the closure of all abalone fisheries in the U.S.A.

    Note ♥ : Whistling “Ab’lone Opeˀning Day”,  to the festive tune of “Ascot Opening Day” from Rodgers & Hammerstein’s My Fair Lady, while après-plongée beer (e.g., Anchor™) chills to perfection in coolers crowded with ice. Siiigh.

    Note * : https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2020/07/06/w-o-o-d-6-july-2020/#comment-131627.

    Note † : “State and Federally Listed Endangered and Threatened Animals of California”. California Natural Diversity Database (CNDDB). Biogeographic Data Branch, Department of Fish and Wildlife, Natural Resources Agency, State of California. July 17, 2020, p. 1 of 26 (in which invertebrates occupy a surprisingly lengthy 4 pp. + 1 more entry on p. 5). https://nrm.dfg.ca.gov/FileHandler.ashx?DocumentID=109405.

    Note × : I don’t give a flying, um, fish, that Wikipedia claims otherwise. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abalone#Threat_of_extinction. They can’t be confused by actions in some state other than California, because as a matter of species range, the pinks and greens don’t inhabit any other U.S. state (they don’t inhabit even N. California).

    Note ‡ : “Species Spotlight: Pinto Abalone”. By Jasmine Sanborn & Katie Sowul, Wash. Dept. of Fish and Wildlife. Aug. 2, 2019. https://medium.com/@wdfw/species-spotlight-pinto-abalone-a7693e27fc1d.

    Note †† : “California Recreational Abalone Fishery to be Closed in 2018”. December 8, 2017. https://cdfgnews.wordpress.com/2017/12/08/california-recreational-abalone-fishery-to-be-closed-in-2018/.

    Note @ : I vagely recall that Oregon has naturally poor habitat for abalone: Nearshore that’s mostly sandy bottom, and relatively little nearshore that’s the rocky bottom needed for seaweed and the abalone that’s sustained by it.

  300. philjourdan says:

    It was the banned kind – indeed that was the draw. The restaurant was the Blue Marlin in Mexicali. As I said, the flavor was ok, but nothing to further endanger the species for COMMERCIAL harvesting. Sorry for not being anally specific in my statement.

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